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    Default Did You Or Will You Switch To FULL Synthetic Oil Upon 1st Oil Change?

    Just curious! I certainly will. In addition, I think I will be able to safely increase change interval to 9,000 miles doing thusly. :mrgreen:

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    Definitely going synthetic, just waiting to hit 3k miles and I’m doing it. Going to use amsoil

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    I don't know why you wouldn't switch to full synthetic after a reasonable break in period, I certainly will.

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    Don't even understand the question, probably comes with Synthetic from the factory. If not, you can switch to Synthetic any time you want, I always do it at my first oil change at between 50 and 100 miles and at least one quick full throttle blast to the 80-90 MPH range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old Timer View Post
    Don't even understand the question, probably comes with Synthetic from the factory. If not, you can switch to Synthetic any time you want, I always do it at my first oil change at between 50 and 100 miles and at least one quick full throttle blast to the 80-90 MPH range.
    Only semi-synthetic from factory.

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    And here we go, the old synthetic vs dino argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC61 View Post
    And here we go, the old synthetic vs dino argument.
    For cry eye! It was just a question! Sounds like you must be skeptical about the benefits of synthetic.

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    Ok throttle back folks. This is one of those everyone has an opinion topics. If you have one go ahead but leave comments and thoughts about someone else’s opinion out of it please.

    Here’s my opinion, I had synthetic in when I took it in for a change that the prior owner had put in. I forgot to tell the shop to put in Amsoil again so the BRP recommendation went in this time. I think the bike clunks more on downshifts now than before. This winter Amsoil will go back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen47 View Post
    For cry eye! It was just a question! Sounds like you must be skeptical about the benefits of synthetic.

    That IS NOT what he said. He merely referenced a topic here that’s been debated ad nauseum.
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    Pg 91, Maintenance Schedule, of the operator's guide says change the engine oil and oil filter once a year or every 6,000 miles, whichever comes first. Is there a change that stretches it to 9,000 miles?
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    I would go with the 6000 miles. You may be able to stretch it, but.... Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
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    The 1330 manual says 9000 or once a year. May be different for a Ryker...which I don't have a manual for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    Pg 91, Maintenance Schedule, of the operator's guide says change the engine oil and oil filter once a year or every 6,000 miles, whichever comes first. Is there a change that stretches it to 9,000 miles?
    No rocket science - better oil means better mileage.

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    It shouldn't be too hard on oil. The engine doesn't share with the transmission. I would still have the oil analyzed to see how it's holding up at the factory interval. Amsoil is a quality oil that holds up well.
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    Oil and tires. Oil and tires!!! Better than the best mouse trap made!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Oil and tires. Oil and tires!!! Better than the best mouse trap made!
    My philosophy: tires are like wine & women - the cheaper the better!

    I've always had the best of luck with the dirt cheapest tires I can find. I once bought a used Ford Escort that had $60 Yokohama tires on it. I experienced tread separation in 3 of the 4 tires! There were "tire wars" going on at the time, and I replaced them with $5 tires (the mounting & balancing cost more than the tires). Didn't have a bit of problems with them!

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    Yep, synthetic's are great but you also need an extended interval filter to match the oil. So there's that. And I'm not just making this stuff up, came direct from a Mobil 1 Tech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC61 View Post
    Yep, synthetic's are great but you also need an extended interval filter to match the oil. So there's that. And I'm not just making this stuff up, came direct from a Mobil 1 Tech.
    When I took my oil to 130,000 miles with synthetic, when normal (dino oil) interval was 20,000 miles with my Volvo big rig truck, I changed the three oil filters every 30,000 miles and it took a gallon of top off oil to replace oil that was in the filters.

    If you only double your interval, chances are your filter will be fine (unless you do mostly stop & go city driving and/or lots of short trips).

    Keep in mind that Mobil sells a "once a year" oil change oil. No mention of extra filter change or special filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aufgeblassen47 View Post

    Keep in mind that Mobil sells a "once a year" oil change oil. No mention of extra filter change or special filter.
    You would be wrong about that. There is an Extended Interval Filter to match their 20k mile oil. Check your facts

    Mobil 1 Annual Protection ultimate full synthetic motor oils feature advanced lubricant technology that provides proven protection for 20,000 miles or one full year between oil changes, whichever comes first – guaranteed.†

    We recommend using a Mobil 1™ Extended Performance oil filters along with the Mobil 1 Annual Protection synthetic oils. Though not required, these filters meet the requirements of the Mobil 1 Annual Protection limited warranty and are perfect companion products for longer-lasting protection.

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    Of course they would recommend their filters... .
    Those filters are not as special as they like to make them... but each to its own.

    Filters are like oils... everyone has their own religious beliefs .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrNewt View Post
    Of course they would recommend their filters... .
    Those filters are not as special as they like to make them... but each to its own.

    Filters are like oils... everyone has their own religious beliefs .
    Actually, there is a lot of good information out there based on actual testing. Which products you choose does not have to be based on faith, myth, or intuition.
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    I guess everybody has their own opinions about oil changes, and that is fine. I see no reason not to use full synthetic and change the oil every 5,000 miles like I always have. The used oil is taken in for recycling. The filters are changed every time. It does not take that long and spending $40 or $50 to change the oil in a machine you paid $20 grand for is not a big deal. I ran two of the old air cooled Harley 1200 Sportster engines over 150.000 miles before rebuilding them, with the same oil change schedules. Do it like the book or do it how ever you want. Mine gonna run full synthetic and get changed every 5.000 miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gwolf View Post
    I guess everybody has their own opinions about oil changes, and that is fine. I see no reason not to use full synthetic and change the oil every 5,000 miles like I always have. The used oil is taken in for recycling. The filters are changed every time. It does not take that long and spending $40 or $50 to change the oil in a machine you paid $20 grand for is not a big deal. I ran two of the old air cooled Harley 1200 Sportster engines over 150.000 miles before rebuilding them, with the same oil change schedules. Do it like the book or do it how ever you want. Mine gonna run full synthetic and get changed every 5.000 miles.
    I plan to change out all the fluids on my Ryker to a true, fully synthetic alternative. I did the same on my Spyder back when. Harley's typically run at very low RPM, which is a bit easier on the oil than a higher RPM motor.

    I don't want to say that the way I do it is necessary. Because it obviously is not. But I like running longer service intervals (especially on long trips). I get my oil tested so I know if I am going too far or not. So far, I have never worn a fully synthetic oil out before servicing. I feel it's somewhat like getting high mileage tires. Why throw away a tire at 40k if it's got another 20k left just because that's what I did with the OEM tires? Granted, with tires it's easy to see when they need to be changed. Without analyzing your oil, it's pretty much impossible to know how it is performing. You can't tell by looking at it like you can with tires.

    I think the real debate centers on 'Need' rather than whether or not a full synthetic is a superior lubricant.

    I try not to preach to people, other than it's not all smoke and mirrors. There is hard data out there if someone is interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrNewt View Post
    Of course they would recommend their filters... .
    Those filters are not as special as they like to make them... but each to its own.

    Filters are like oils... everyone has their own religious beliefs .
    Indeed. I've NEVER had low oil pressure due to a clogging filter in all the years I've run my filters to twice the recommended interval. My '98 Jetta TDI diesel went to 20,000 mile intervals instead of recommended 10,000, and that was even before ultra low sulfur diesel fuel.

    Fuels are so clean these days, and emissions are so low, that very few contaminants get in the oil.

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    Just about all OEM recommendations have a generous safety factor built in. You can exceed the recommendations and usually get away with it, but after you go past the manufacturer recommendation you are working with out a net.
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