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    So what did they do replace it with a used gauge?

    If so it should have replaced with New and would have had zero miles on it. Then would have to be disclosed that is was not actual miles if sold as mentioned above.

    Did your invoice have a mileage when brought to the shop on the paperwork?

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    Default Here's what you do....

    Simply make up a sticker indicatinting mileage at change of cluster and place it under the seat on the frame.
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    Laws vary by state on this.

    In Nevada if a instrument cluster is replaced under warranty the factory must program it with
    the same mileage as the old.

    If its out of warranty the replacement can read 0 or whatever if it was used and you
    are suppose to disclose the actual mileage at time of sale.

    Now this is with autos, Motorcycles might be different or no regulations at all.
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    Nothing illegal about it. The odo wasn't altered it was replaced due to failure. Why should BRP have to keep track of your mileage? What if you bought the part and changed it yourself or what if the odo stopped working and you just didn't get it repaired? Would that be BRP's fault as well? Ride it, enjoy it, and once in awhile do some simple math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chupaca View Post
    Simply make up a sticker indicatinting mileage at change of cluster and place it under the seat one frame.

    Hey Chupaca, did you ever consider becoming a Rocket Scientist?

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    Speaking of rockets, if we can send rockets to the moon and Mars, why can’t Canam preset the odometer? cueman

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    When you sell the vehicle you must declare that the mileage shown is not the true actual mileage. That statement will be added to the vehicle title forever. This may affect the value of the vehicle for a future buyer. Therefore, it is important for you to maintain documentation to support what the actual mileage is. In addition, you can demonstrate why the mileage is not actual to any future buyer (the odometer was replaced). PITA but no alternative..... Jim
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    Also, you may want to keep the service order for proof. cueman

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    Quote Originally Posted by cueman View Post
    Speaking of rockets, if we can send rockets to the moon and Mars, why can’t Canam preset the odometer? cueman

    cueman, he's not the first Spyder rider to have had their speedo replaced. It has been reported here(over the years), at least several times. Beating up on Can Am/BRP for doing what the laws of your state allow, won't fix the problem. Only he can do that. He should take Chupaca's suggestion close his seat go for a ride, and hope that's the worst thing that ever happens to his Spyder.

    FWIW I'm far from a BRP fan boy. But, facts are facts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    I got my ace back today, they replaced the multifuction gauge, brake reservoir kit and handlebar clamp screw. But it had over 7,000 miles on it when I dropped it off. It had 16 miles when I got it back. As far as I know it is illegal to change odometer mileage for any reason . I should be transferred with new gauge. I will do some more checking next week. Any thoughts?
    There's always common sense reasons for exceptions to laws. Replacing a faulty gauge is one. It's illegal to knowingly change an odometer for fraudulent reasons. That's why you were given paperwork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    As far as I know it is illegal to change odometer mileage for any reason . I should be transferred with new gauge. I will do some more checking next week. Any thoughts?
    Your thought is wrong.
    Some repairs, like replacement of the odometer mechanism, will effectively reset it to 0......and there is no easy mechanism provided to "update" it to the old number.

    What IS illegal is for you to lie when marking the box on the title transfer where is says something like "The indicated mileage is the actual mileage."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    It is just unacceptable to me.
    Too bad.
    ALL vehicles work that way.
    You can either make yourself sick about it........or just move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackhartjr View Post
    If you sell it YOU are to disclose the actual mileage.
    Actually that is not really true.
    All you are obligated to report is what you KNOW, which is that the number shown on the ODO is not the actual total mileage.
    And if you don't know that, you have no real "obligation" at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    Legally speaking if the dealer or anyone else turns back an Odometer they are committing a crime ……. Mike - ( an x-Leo )…...
    It is not like the old days where there were mechanical odometers and they could simply put a drill on it and run it backwards overnight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    I don't think it should be my responsibility to remember and or keep a piece of paper because can am didn't figure out a way to transfer mileage. I am honest but what if someone else is not. Plus it is really annoying to have to keep track of mileage for maintenance. It is just unacceptable to me.
    The dealer did say they can keep track of hours on the machine, not much help to me.
    It's not illegal. We had the cluster changed on our 2012 RTL and got a paper showing the original reading when the cluster was changed. Put the paper with the registration or title add 7,000 miles to your oil change number, and ride it.
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    Default Interesting....🤔

    Well you all know that in these situations the only information that re-appears is the total numder of hours the engine has been run. This I suspect comes from the computers on the spyder. If so, why not store the mileage as well... because this would allow underhanded folks to change the mileage like the old times with a electric drill on the Speedo cable. I would also suspect that BRP would not be interested in dealing with the possibility of messing up existing mileage so they leave the burden of proof to the owner/owner to be...
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    The information could be sent to brp over a network (per vin #) and they could program a new cluster before it is shipped. The dealers would not have the ability to change any crucial info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    The information could be sent to brp over a network (per vin #) and they could program a new cluster before it is shipped. The dealers would not have the ability to change any crucial info.
    Which would delay shipment of new parts even more.

    AND.....in a short time, scammers would get the information necessary to make changes out in the field......just like they have done with EVERY OTHER piece of technology that exists today (with the possible exception of military only things).

    So, the vehicle makers design them so that NOBODY can "turn them back" without destroying them and the various governments understand that.
    Now YOU need to understand that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oregoncoast View Post
    The information could be sent to brp over a network (per vin #) and they could program a new cluster before it is shipped. The dealers would not have the ability to change any crucial info.
    No thanks, I don't want to wait one to two months for that to happen. I'll just do it like the rest of the country does.........report it on the title when I sell or trade it. Just like the law says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Easy Rider View Post
    Which would delay shipment of new parts even more.

    AND.....in a short time, scammers would get the information necessary to make changes out in the field......just like they have done with EVERY OTHER piece of technology that exists today (with the possible exception of military only things).

    So, the vehicle makers design them so that NOBODY can "turn them back" without destroying them and the various governments understand that.
    Now YOU need to understand that too.
    But the auto manufactures are able to program the mileage on there clusters, had it done a couple times, it was mandatory before they would even sell a new one.

    Lets hope they have some kind of security in place. Maybe they are designed where they can only add mileage and never reverse it.
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    you're sweating minor details, please tell me that you are not going to lose sleep over this, simple state that there was work done on it, and they installed a new gauge, tell them the actual true mileage when you sell the bike as stated on your gauge. what is the big deal?
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    So why were the speedo and steering stem replaced?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tslepebull View Post
    So why were the speedo and steering stem replaced?
    It kept going into limp mode, the said it was not communicating with the speed sensors.

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    Hard to believe that Can Am or any manufacturer for that matter cant put the current mileage in a new speedo

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC61 View Post
    Hard to believe that Can Am or any manufacturer for that matter cant put the current mileage in a new speedo
    Liability issue. Better to have all replacements go out with zero miles than to make an error trying to exactly match one. This way Can Am is out of the loop when it comes time to attest to the true and actual mileage of the vehicle. The onus is entirely on the bike's owner..... Jim
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