Continuing DESS Issue?

[Don in E Texas]

What is your D.E.S.S module part #?

Deanna

Don't remember now... But was told here on the Forum it was the latest model. Have not heard of any other module since then.
Sorry - no help.
don

[Sarge]

Huh ... the things I'm finding out about my new ride! Wow ... any other hidden gremlins I should know about before our week long trip at the end of June?!? We'd sure hate to get stranded for something simple to fix like moving the trike and turning the key 5x's.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Huh ... the things I'm finding out about my new ride! Wow ... any other hidden gremlins I should know about before our week long trip at the end of June?!? We'd sure hate to get stranded for something simple to fix like moving the trike and turning the key 5x's.

I think you misunderstood my message …… the move it and turn 5x's is NOT a FIX ….. It's a Band-Aid, just to get you somewhere else ….. Once you begin getting the DESS message , things only get worse.... It is a message that the module is going to FAIL completely at some point.....Take Heed ……………...Mike

[trikermutha]

Just drive and enjoy the Spyder. That's even if you get the DESS message.

[w6ada]

The current part number now being sold is 710004916. It shows it as a direct replacement for the prior 710004190

[Deanna777]

The current part number now being sold is 710004916. It shows it as a direct replacement for the prior 710004190

w6ada, Thanks for the update on the current dess part #.
Deanna

[HayRog]

Got a DESS error code yesterday, I was hoping never to see this
Good thing is that the bike ( after a few choice words) started up again 10 seconds later. Will this be the start of a module failure ? I'm hoping not. But thanks to this thread I'm fully informed.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Got a DESS error code yesterday, I was hoping never to see this
Good thing is that the bike ( after a few choice words) started up again 10 seconds later. Will this be the start of a module failure ? I'm hoping not. But thanks to this thread I'm fully informed.

I've posted quite a bit about this issue, including fixes ….. I see you have a 2015, if under warranty they WILL fix it. ….. Yes this was a warning, the DESS doesn't ever get better - it does get worse until it finally Fails completely..... that could be 5, 10, or 15 starts from now or the next time..... The latest START procedure ( If you have the Orange screen of death ) ….. is move the Spyder about 25 ft. away from where it is parked( if possible ) …. then turn key on - off 5 X's in succession quickly . Then try and start normally …. hopefully the screen has cleared …… If you have to buy the DESS module ( do not buy the Ignition switch - Yet ) CHEAPCYCLEPARTS.COM sells it for about $135.00 …… PM me and I'll help you re-place it …. I did this with " w6ada " …………….good luck ….. Mike

[HayRog]

I've posted quite a bit about this issue, including fixes ….. I see you have a 2015, if under warranty they WILL fix it. ….. Yes this was a warning, the DESS doesn't ever get better - it does get worse until it finally Fails completely..... that could be 5, 10, or 15 starts from now or the next time..... The latest START procedure ( If you have the Orange screen of death ) ….. is move the Spyder about 25 ft. away from where it is parked( if possible ) …. then turn key on - off 5 X's in succession quickly . Then try and start normally …. hopefully the screen has cleared …… If you have to buy the DESS module ( do not buy the Ignition switch - Yet ) CHEAPCYCLEPARTS.COM sells it for about $135.00 …… PM me and I'll help you re-place it …. I did this with " w6ada " …………….good luck ….. Mike

Thanks for the info and very gracious offer Mike. If it gets to that I'll contact you.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Thanks for the info and very gracious offer Mike. If it gets to that I'll contact you.

Glad to help ….. here's the thing .. Once you get a DESS code - that means it's on it's way to complete failure …. If it fails in your garage that's not too bad, but what are the odds ???? ……… It's more likely to fail while on a ride - now you have to have it TOWED it to some dealer …. maybe they will fix it immed. , but not likely ….. it could be weeks or months before you get it back …… Now that $135.00 part ( module ) costs you about $750.00. + wait time … if mine fails I would be ordering a new module that day ….. I have read every DESS post on the Forum, and NO Module has EVER healed itself ….. good luck …. Mike

[spyderryder53]

Uh oh after 45000 + miles the big D got me
I had 2 issues at spyderquest 1st one just showed the key symbol and started after a few minutes. The 2nd time was after closing that showed DESS have to call dealer tomorrow my extended warranty ends in oct.(thank you Deanna for the tips you gave me at GEL.)

[Deanna777]

Uh oh after 45000 + miles the big D got me
I had 2 issues at spyderquest 1st one just showed the key symbol and started after a few minutes. The 2nd time was after closing that showed DESS have to call dealer tomorrow my extended warranty ends in oct.(thank you Deanna for the tips you gave me at GEL.)

You are very welcome for D.E.S.S suggestion/tips that I gave you at GEL. Keep me posted on what happens at your dealership. I am glad that I could help you.

Did you get the "D.E.S.S error again you left GEL today?

Did you get to your destination safe( home)?

Deanna

[skip]

i just put the lastest d.e.s.s module on my 14 rt , so far all's good

[Deanna777]

Got a DESS error code yesterday, I was hoping never to see this
Good thing is that the bike ( after a few choice words) started up again 10 seconds later. Will this be the start of a module failure ? I'm hoping not. But thanks to this thread I'm fully informed.

What year is your spyder?
Deanna

[HayRog]

What year is your spyder?
Deanna

C
Deanna, sorry for the late reply.
2015 RT-L, 18000 miles, 2 error code to date.
I cycled the ignition 5 times (per Bluenight Mike) after the last incident - not happened since.
Wife doesn't trust it ��
Kinda hoping my Dealer (when I contact them) will bypass the module.
Anyone on this forum do it ? I'll travel :-)

[Deanna777]

C
Deanna, sorry for the late reply.
2015 RT-L, 18000 miles, 2 error code to date.
I cycled the ignition 5 times (per Bluenight Mike) after the last incident - not happened since.
Wife doesn't trust it ��
Kinda hoping my Dealer (when I contact them) will bypass the module.
Anyone on this forum do it ? I'll travel :-)

HayRog,
I am the one that posted about the "turning the ignition 5 times on/off.
Deanna

[Grandpot]

I often wonder why did they change the design of the DESS module in 2014? If it worked in 2013 and prior, why not just go back to those units? Remember the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[Spyderlass]

I often wonder why did they change the design of the DESS module in 2014? If it worked in 2013 and prior, why not just go back to those units? Remember the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

The previous dess system is not the same as the 2014 on system. Currently the key code is held in the ECU and the dess unit is an intermediary, previously the key code was held in the dess unit. I've no idea why BRP changed it but, in my opinion it was less secure in the previous system. I looked carefully at the wiring diagrams for the previous system just in case I had a dess failure, I reckon I could bypass it with two connections. I'm guessing that BRP deliberately attempted to make the system more secure but mucked up electrically with the early (2014 >) units.

[Grandpot]

The previous dess system is not the same as the 2014 on system. Currently the key code is held in the ECU and the dess unit is an intermediary, previously the key code was held in the dess unit. I've no idea why BRP changed it but, in my opinion it was less secure in the previous system. I looked carefully at the wiring diagrams for the previous system just in case I had a dess failure, I reckon I could bypass it with two connections. I'm guessing that BRP deliberately attempted to make the system more secure but mucked up electrically with the early (2014 >) units.

I'm sure they had good intentions. On the other hand, I have never heard of someone stealing a Spyder by circumventing the DESS unit on the early machines.

[jcthorne]

Its not fixed. Have seen it on a 2018 (which we turned off). The 2014s were widespread, later bikes not so much but it still happens.

Have never seen this on a single 2013 or earlier.

[jcthorne]

Just for sake of discussion, they made it LESS secure as it can now be disabled via software without a valid key. This is why I keep telling folks the DESS only serves to keep legitimate owners from riding the bike. Does extremely little to prevent theft.

[h0gr1der]

Just for sake of discussion, they made it LESS secure as it can now be disabled via software without a valid key. This is why I keep telling folks the DESS only serves to keep legitimate owners from riding the bike. Does extremely little to prevent theft.

Mr. jcthrone,

Is the DESS able to be disabled via BUDS? The In Plain Sight key pretty much shows Spyders aren't swiped too often, so is it really as simple as that? Is this an option open via the dealers, I'm getting ready for my first service, so they may be able to head off this issue by a delete.

[jcthorne]

Mr. jcthrone,

Is the DESS able to be disabled via BUDS? The In Plain Sight key pretty much shows Spyders aren't swiped too often, so is it really as simple as that? Is this an option open via the dealers, I'm getting ready for my first service, so they may be able to head off this issue by a delete.

Its a simple toggle in BUDS. With or without a valid key in the bike.

Most dealers do not purchase a sufficient licence to BUDS to allow them to use the setting. A few do and a few independent shops for the reasons in this thread and others.

[trikermutha]

I thought I read somewhere there is a backorder till July on the modules??

Found one cheaper here

http://www.2wheelpros.com/oem-parts/...4916-part.html

[hypurone]

There is also a TST bulletin out there for when the DESS error comes up again after replacing the module, even with the latest & greatest one... It seems there is a separate antenna that can be replaced! I will try to find the info and post here....

EDIT: Found it....

Spyder DESS TST Bulletin.jpg