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    any advice for long trips that result in numbness in the lower extremities? thanks!!

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    We bought 2 of the “purple” brand seat cushions last year. So far they have worked well, better than airhawk that I had. Next level up I would say is a custom seat possibly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey4201 View Post
    any advice for long trips that result in numbness in the lower extremities? thanks!!
    Can you be more specific? Lower extremities is lower leg, ankles, feet, not crotch.

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    Which bike also? RT? F3? Seat ergonomics can be different. My 2018 RTL seat is way too big and soft for my butt and after about 150 miles begins to feel like my tailbone is being shoved up my throat. I have an appointment to get a new custom seat like I did for my last motorcycle. You may be able to "fix" your seat with a third party cushion or beads, etc, but maybe not too. It varies from person to person.

    EDIT: Just realized your question was in the RT Touring forum. I thought I was still in the General forum, so if you do have an RT, disregard.
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    I've ridden long distance most of my life, and every type of seat. Some felt like I was splitting in half. My favorite was a Russell Day Long, but some folks hate them. One thing I noticed though. During the long stretch of time riding, I was both in shape physically and also at times totally off the wagon. Sadly out of shape. I can say this about me- the more in shape my legs and lower half are, the less riding hurts. On any saddle. So now I do an exercise program, cardio, to keep my seat muscles tuned up.
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    Buns of Steel definitely help. When I got my Spyder I hadn't ridden in almost 3 years since my accident and recovery time. I had Buns of Butter when I bought my Spyder, but I'm still gonna get another Russell Day Long 'cos it worked so well for me on my last bike. And start getting back in full riding shape too, which is already starting to happen now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    Can you be more specific? Lower extremities is lower leg, ankles, feet, not crotch.
    Original title said "crotch" numbness.

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    Not found everywhere but the best ryding pants that I have found are from Duluth Trading. The firehose gusseted pants are the most comfortable and sturdier than most ryding pants...
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    How can anyone offer a solution for this undefined problem?

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    Maybe the OP does not want to get 'word specific'.

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    Not sure if it would help but try a beaded seat. I go cheap before expensive to find out it doesn't help the feeling you lost the blood in the bag feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    How can anyone offer a solution for this undefined problem?
    Dunno what your problem with this 'undefined problem' really is UPete?!

    It's arguably significantly more 'defined' than many of the questions/problems that we see & confidently make some effort to answer here on this Forum; probably with no more specific success (or definition?!) than all those many other 'which oil/revs to use/gears to select/tires to fit/tire pressures to suit/suspension settings/air bag pressure/way to corner best/lights to fit; and the list goes on & on...(& on & on & on....)' posts?! Why express any confusion over this particular question vs any one of those many others?? Don't we usually just share what we DO know & then let the 'asker' pick & choose from the offered answers or suggestions?! Besides, no-one is actually forcing you to read the post &/or whole thread or to offer any solution or comment, that's just a choice you get to do so, or not, as the fancy takes you!?




    As for the OP's particular problem, it's a tad dfifficult to put this in a way that is clear & yet still suitable for polite company, but I'll give it a go! Sorry that this polite version is so long, but if you bear with me & read on thru to the end, it could be enlightening!

    Way back when, I was involved with developing & training 'new riders' on those big bikes with large white fairings & lotsa flashing lights that most of us get to see (in the rear vision mirror maybe?) around the highways & by-ways every now & then &/or escorting the Prez's limo somewhere. Now back then, we often found that the ummm, let's say 'tubbier' fellas amongst these new riders, tended to find it easier to arch the small of their back forwards, roll the top of their hips forwards and let their belly relax as it hung out front, at the same time as allowing the small of their back to arch forwards but look/feel like they were sitting up straight... They did this instead of engagiing their core, sucking their belly in a bit, and sitting tall & straight all the time! This sag forwards thing is easy enough to relax into & will still look sorta alright, but it has a real tendency to rest the fella's wedding tackle on the seat.... Over the duration of just one riding shift, this can put pressure on the all important muscles & nerves that control said fellas wedding tackle such that he might get that fairly upsetting numbness that you are concerned about Mikey!

    The answer to this particular numbness is to sit forward a bit more, suck in your gut just enough to engage your core muscles, roll the top of your hips BACK & DOWN while straightening your spine UP by imagining the top of your head being lifted by a cord running thru it & on down into your spinal column, pulling everything up & straight while you relax the muscles across the back of your neck & let your shoulders relax back & down, letting your wrists & elbows relax & drop too, all while you grip the bike gently but firmly with your knees so that your upright body becomes an integral part of the bike. Do it right and you'll sit/ride while looking like a smartly upright motorcycle cop who is an integral extension of his bike who is gonna look great escorting the Prez but is still able to erupt at a moments notice into someone ready & more than able to make Evil Kneivel & RoboCop look like the amateurs they are by comparison to this well trained & finely tuned professional rider!

    Do that & you shouldn't ever get that uncomfortable crotch numbness again; and if you do get it right, it'll also help strengthen & maintain your core muscles as well as enhancing those muscles & nerves that are responsible for your wedding tackle's involvement in those functions requiring it to stand tall & proud. Sitting up & riding right in that manner is one of the few really beneficial activities short of the real thing that can improve a fella's 'pelvic floor' & his control over his wedding tackle.... but you don't hafta just trust me on that, simply check back with your Missus after a couple of weeks of practice on getting your riding seat right!

    But if you'd rather hear the brutally short & blunt version, try this: "Just sit up straight, suck your gut in, & lift your balls off the seat, man!"

    Enjoy!
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    So true, but can't stop laughing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey4201 View Post
    any advice for long trips that result in numbness in the lower extremities? thanks!!
    Adjust your seating and leg position more often and make more frequent stops.
    Take your wallet out of your back pocket.......and other large objects too.

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    If it's your scrotum that is going numb, that's one thing. If it's your legs and feet going numb, that's something entirely different.

    Relieving the pressure on the relevant nerve is the answer either way.

    I suggest starting with a simple, low cost solution such as that offered by Motorcycle Dave's medical grade gel seat insert before changing out saddles. Unless the numbness is being caused by a cramped seating position, in which case a BRP comfort seat may be the answer.

    Without knowing more about your particular situation, it is impossible to provide the right advice.

    I don't recommend using an air hawk, beads, gel pad or anything else that reduces your stability in the saddle on turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Aawen View Post
    Dunno what your problem with this 'undefined problem' really is UPete?!

    It's arguably significantly more 'defined' than many of the questions/problems that we see & confidently make some effort to answer here on this Forum; probably with no more specific success (or definition?!) than all those many other 'which oil/revs to use/gears to select/tires to fit/tire pressures to suit/suspension settings/air bag pressure/way to corner best/lights to fit; and the list goes on & on...(& on & on & on....)' posts?! Why express any confusion over this particular question vs any one of those many others?? Don't we usually just share what we DO know & then let the 'asker' pick & choose from the offered answers or suggestions?! Besides, no-one is actually forcing you to read the post &/or whole thread or to offer any solution or comment, that's just a choice you get to do so, or not, as the fancy takes you!?




    As for the OP's particular problem, it's a tad dfifficult to put this in a way that is clear & yet still suitable for polite company, but I'll give it a go! Sorry that this polite version is so long, but if you bear with me & read on thru to the end, it could be enlightening!

    Way back when, I was involved with developing & training 'new riders' on those big bikes with large white fairings & lotsa flashing lights that most of us get to see (in the rear vision mirror maybe?) around the highways & by-ways every now & then &/or escorting the Prez's limo somewhere. Now back then, we often found that the ummm, let's say 'tubbier' fellas amongst these new riders, tended to find it easier to arch the small of their back forwards, roll the top of their hips forwards and let their belly relax as it hung out front, at the same time as allowing the small of their back to arch forwards but look/feel like they were sitting up straight... They did this instead of engagiing their core, sucking their belly in a bit, and sitting tall & straight all the time! This sag forwards thing is easy enough to relax into & will still look sorta alright, but it has a real tendency to rest the fella's wedding tackle on the seat.... Over the duration of just one riding shift, this can put pressure on the all important muscles & nerves that control said fellas wedding tackle such that he might get that fairly upsetting numbness that you are concerned about Mikey!

    The answer to this particular numbness is to sit forward a bit more, suck in your gut just enough to engage your core muscles, roll the top of your hips BACK & DOWN while straightening your spine UP by imagining the top of your head being lifted by a cord running thru it & on down into your spinal column, pulling everything up & straight while you relax the muscles across the back of your neck & let your shoulders relax back & down, letting your wrists & elbows relax & drop too, all while you grip the bike gently but firmly with your knees so that your upright body becomes an integral part of the bike. Do it right and you'll sit/ride while looking like a smartly upright motorcycle cop who is an integral extension of his bike who is gonna look great escorting the Prez but is still able to erupt at a moments notice into someone ready & more than able to make Evil Kneivel & RoboCop look like the amateurs they are by comparison to this well trained & finely tuned professional rider!

    Do that & you shouldn't ever get that uncomfortable crotch numbness again; and if you do get it right, it'll also help strengthen & maintain your core muscles as well as enhancing those muscles & nerves that are responsible for your wedding tackle's involvement in those functions requiring it to stand tall & proud. Sitting up & riding right in that manner is one of the few really beneficial activities short of the real thing that can improve a fella's 'pelvic floor' & his control over his wedding tackle.... but you don't hafta just trust me on that, simply check back with your Missus after a couple of weeks of practice on getting your riding seat right!

    But if you'd rather hear the brutally short & blunt version, try this: "Just sit up straight, suck your gut in, & lift your balls off the seat, man!"

    Enjoy!
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    I have an airhawk that I've used on prior Harley's I've owned. My ultra classic didn't need it. The ultra is like riding a sofa down the highway and there is little fatigue physically as the miles pile up on that bike. This June will be my first long Spyder trip (2010 RS). I'm taking the airhawk cushion and will switch it on and off the stock seat along the way. I'm also putting highway pegs on, so that I can move my legs into different positions. I sure wish these machines came stock with a hand brake. I'll report back how the tour went after that June ride into Northern Ontario. Everyone ride safely and keep the rubber side down... and the shiny side up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
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    Good posture is soooo important. Strong core muscles and a straight spine go a long way to not having any pressure on the lower spine which caused numerous problems " down below". My HS and college coaches ( gymnastics and wrestling) put much emphasis on strong core muscles and good posture. Has served me very well over thepast 50 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinDavid View Post
    I have an airhawk that I've used on prior Harley's I've owned. My ultra classic didn't need it. The ultra is like riding a sofa down the highway and there is little fatigue physically as the miles pile up on that bike. This June will be my first long Spyder trip (2010 RS). I'm taking the airhawk cushion and will switch it on and off the stock seat along the way. I'm also putting highway pegs on, so that I can move my legs into different positions. I sure wish these machines came stock with a hand brake. I'll report back how the tour went after that June ride into Northern Ontario. Everyone ride safely and keep the rubber side down... and the shiny side up!
    Your comments about the AirHawk are right on. The AirHawk information does go into "great detail" about relief "down there."

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    Yeah but does it talk specifically what parts down there or do we have to infer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeftCoast View Post
    Yeah but does it talk specifically what parts down there or do we have to infer?

    Sorry couldn't resist...
    Like I said...it is very specific.

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    Judging from the heading in your post, it is a safe bet you are sitting on your Spyder in one
    position for a long time and are feeling the numbness and hot spots in your butt..... If so
    I have just the thing for you. MotorcycleDaves Custom GEL SEAT KIT you install yourself
    ask anyone here on the forum, they just flat out work. Feel free to call me most anytime I
    will be happy to give you all the information AND it is only $79.95 NOT several hundred dollars
    you would pay for a new seat that most likely will not be much if any better than the one you have.
    conformax.jpgSeat :Gel .jpgGEL embedded in seat.jpg



    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey4201 View Post
    any advice for long trips that result in numbness in the lower extremities? thanks!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorcycledave View Post
    Judging from the heading in your post, it is a safe bet you are sitting on your Spyder in one
    position for a long time and are feeling the numbness and hot spots in your butt..... If so
    I have just the thing for you. MotorcycleDaves Custom GEL SEAT KIT you install yourself
    ask anyone here on the forum, they just flat out work. Feel free to call me most anytime I
    will be happy to give you all the information AND it is only $79.95 NOT several hundred dollars
    you would pay for a new seat that most likely will not be much if any better than the one you have.
    conformax.jpgSeat :Gel .jpgGEL embedded in seat.jpg
    AND you won't be sliding around on top of your saddle as you will be with strap on cushions of any kind.

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