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    Default Why canít I fully fill up the gas tank?

    Hello, new owner of a 2014 RT SE6. I filled up three times, and every time I failed to totally fill the tank, at least as judged through the electronic bar I ndicator. The best I could do was reaching the second to the last bar at the top, even if filling very slowly. Does anyone have an explanation for that? Thanks!

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    The canister purge valve is stuck or the canister is clogged. Search this site for "Canisterectomy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grandpot View Post
    The canister purge valve is stuck or the canister is clogged. Search this site for "Canisterectomy."
    Thank you for the suggestion. I thought that was a problem in earlier models than my 2014. And, the gas flows normally into the tank for the first few gallons, would that happen if I had the problem you mentioned? Thanks.

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    Before doing any "ectomies," give the following a try.

    I also have a 2014 RT SE6. The most I have ever put in was about 5.8 gallons. I usually run the tank until the refill light goes on. For me that is about 200-210 miles.

    I fill until I see the fuel come up to the "ring." I stop...let it settle and one more time to the ring. Most of the time, this puts the fuel gauge needle up to the topmost indication. I am always afraid of overfilling. This works for me because I don't go for endurance runs on the tank. Two hundred and I want off to stretch...etc.

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    Fill, Slowely top-off, Ride 200 miles, repeat. 2014 RTL. The fuel gage seems very accurate. It routinely begins to move off full at about 30-35 miles.
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    Default They are right...

    If you stop with the self canceling nozzel you have to keep moving it higher to get more in. If you are lucky like us you will have to pull back the large rubber ring to be able to see what you are doing....
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    Quote Originally Posted by gianfri View Post
    Thank you for the suggestion. I thought that was a problem in earlier models than my 2014. And, the gas flows normally into the tank for the first few gallons, would that happen if I had the problem you mentioned? Thanks.
    As the others mentioned, be attentive as you fill the tank. If you are still having trouble, check the purge valve and canister. They provide vending as the tank is filled and will act more restrictive as the tank fills up.
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    There is no purge valve on the 1330 ACE engine fuel system that I can find in any of the parts diagrams.
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    I can fill my 2014 to overflowing if I want. Yes the elephant trunk in CAL. must be pulled back to top up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    There is no purge valve on the 1330 ACE engine fuel system that I can find in any of the parts diagrams.
    ............….. and the gas fill suggestions also stated ….. I have no idea where " poster #2 " got His info but it's NOT accurate . As JayBros stated above , I can't find any purge valve either ………. plus the fuel line routing in the 1330 engine applications ( for RT ) won't allow gas to get to the cannister ….. jmho …. Mike

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    Default Reset!

    Of course it has a purge valve, although it is closed when the motor is off so it is not responsible for this problem. It's just the gas tank filler neck design. If you want to really pack the tank full, as mentioned, just take your time.

    BRP has OFFICIALLY called the thing a bleed valve since day 1, I think. We all just call it a purge valve. American jargon. Part number 709000443.

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    Default I stand corrected

    Sorry for that bad canister and purge valve info. My head was wrapped around a 998.
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    One other point..... There is really not much of a fill tank neck. You can look directly into the fuel tank and see how full it is. I remember seeing on this forum about someone forgetting to put the fuel cap on and getting a wet left leg after a short ride. Not good..... Jim
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    Have you tried filling up with a gas can instead of from a Gas pump? Just wondering if you get a different (better) reading on the digital gauge..
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    Doug, thanks much for the purge valve correction. I didn't know it is really called a bleed valve. We all agree going slow in filling is the trick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    I can fill my 2014 to overflowing if I want. Yes the elephant trunk in CAL. must be pulled back to top up.
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    Thank you all for the helpful replies. I had no idea this issue was so well known! Which begs a question: why is the Spyder so much more complicated than other bikes when filling the tank up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianfri View Post
    Thank you all for the helpful replies. I had no idea this issue was so well known! Which begs a question: why is the Spyder so much more complicated than other bikes when filling the tank up?
    Am guessing the best answer here is "because they can."

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    Because there is literally no fill neck on the fuel tank. The fuel nozzle actually goes into the fuel tank when fully inserted. To get the tank full, I pull the nozzle out until it is barely in the hole and then SLOWELY add fuel until it starts to come out the slots in the tank nozzle fitting. And then I round up to the next 5 cent point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canamjhb View Post
    Because there is literally no fill neck on the fuel tank. The fuel nozzle actually goes into the fuel tank when fully inserted. To get the tank full, I pull the nozzle out until it is barely in the hole and then SLOWELY add fuel until it starts to come out the slots in the tank nozzle fitting. And then I round up to the next 5 cent point.
    Any risk of overfilling when you do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianfri View Post
    Any risk of overfilling when you do that?
    Probably not......because the fuel comes spitting out the vent holes/slots rather abruptly (and violently if you are running it too fast).

    I've had that happen often enough that I now only give it one "top off" squirt with the nozzle pulled out a bit.

    IF.....you get it filled to the intended point, which is designed to leave some air in the top of the tank, and the fuel gauge doesn't indicate "FULL", then you have a gauge problem, which is fairly common.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gianfri View Post
    Any risk of overfilling when you do that?
    Of course, because there really is no NECK ( like on most veh's ) if you are pumping at a rapid rate ( and some pumps are ALL on or All OFF no in-between ) … there is almost no room for any extra..... As stated above you just need to be watching what you are doing, which is what we're supposed to do …. Mike

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