Electric Spyders on the way

[Highwayman2013]

https://jalopnik.com/bombardier-boug...1832915056/amp

https://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/...is-interesting

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Agree Idaho, now and for as far the eye can see, this is on some drawing board somewhere. As for the word 'hybrid', is that meaning some combination of gas and electric? I don't see anyway that could work on a m/c.

Yes. This article mentions the use of the Rotax ACE engine that was used in snowmobiles.

https://newatlas.com/can-am-spyder-r...c-debut/17650/

The hybrid prototype was on display during the BRP Homecoming in 2017. It never made it past the prototype stage.

[jcthorne]

Nothing wrong with that. But if BRP asked me to be a Beta Tester of an electric, I'd jump at the chance. However, I envision an electric vehicle of any kind to be an errand runner or commuter, not a cross country tourer.

Unless its a plugin hybrid. Then it can do both. Until the charge rates and infrastructure catches up, this would be the best bet. I would be interested in one if they built it.

[jcthorne]

Agree Idaho, now and for as far the eye can see, this is on some drawing board somewhere. As for the word 'hybrid', is that meaning some combination of gas and electric? I don't see anyway that could work on a m/c.

Why do you think it could not work on a MC? Weight and size or some other technical reason? I thing plug in hybrid makes the most practical sense of the current available options. A pure electric is not capable of a full day ride and recharge times are too long and too distant to be practical.

[UtahPete]

Why do you think it could not work on a MC? Weight and size or some other technical reason? I thing plug in hybrid makes the most practical sense of the current available options. A pure electric is not capable of a full day ride and recharge times are too long and too distant to be practical.

That's what they said about cars and trucks. That was then. This is now and near future. Long-range all-electric vehicles are in the future. Detroit is banking on it.

[Bob Denman]

How do you think that our power grid will be able to handle the extra load on it?

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

How do you think that our power grid will be able to handle the extra load on it?

ask AOC, it better be out in 12 years or it's over.

[jcthorne]

Its not practical except for city commuters that never leave town even for cars and trucks. Will not be for many years. Build all the electric vehicles you want, once you leave home or home base, there is no infrastructure to support them. It will take many years to build that out. It will happen I agree but its not this year. Until then, plug in hybrid is the only version that makes sense other than for a city commuter that returns home every evening and needs no more than 200 miles total daily range.

[Bob Denman]

Tesla is actively working on their PowerStations.
While that grid of charging stations has a long way to go: it's at least a decent start..
If they can reach some sort of agreement with them...

AND if they can sort out any incompatibility issues...

[UtahPete]

How do you think that our power grid will be able to handle the extra load on it?

If that is truly a concern, why are some of the world's largest corporations placing big bets on the electrified future of transportation?

[UtahPete]

Its not practical except for city commuters that never leave town even for cars and trucks. Will not be for many years. Build all the electric vehicles you want, once you leave home or home base, there is no infrastructure to support them. It will take many years to build that out. It will happen I agree but its not this year. Until then, plug in hybrid is the only version that makes sense other than for a city commuter that returns home every evening and needs no more than 200 miles total daily range.

One more way that China is way ahead of us in infrastructure.

Nobody could imagine space travel before the Russians showed it is possible.

[Bob Denman]

Technically speaking: you're wrong...
The USSR only showed that they could orbit the earth...
The United States had folks walk on the Moon, and has sent R.O.V.s to Mars!

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

One more way that China is way ahead of us in infrastructure.

Not that a population density of 50,000+ per square mile vs 90 per square mile would have anything to do with it!! Right?

http://statisticstimes.com/demograph...on-density.php

[ARtraveler]

Discussion of subject GOOD:

Let's not get into any tit for tat kind of arguments. And no disrespectful replies to other posters.

And now....back to the program.

[Bob Denman]

Was it something that I said?

[ARtraveler]

Was it something that I said?

NO. Just a simple reminder since there is a lot of back and forth (which is good) going on.

Differing opinions are fine. It's how they are handled that sometimes causes trouble.

[Bob Denman]

NO. Just a simple reminder since there is a lot of back and forth (which is good) going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykpjFjsEdl4

[jcthorne]

Tesla is actively working on their PowerStations.
While that grid of charging stations has a long way to go: it's at least a decent start..
If they can reach some sort of agreement with them...

AND if they can sort out any incompatibility issues...

Tesla is part of the problem. The are using charging stations that do not meet industry standards and do not use standard connectors. Nor will they licence any other brand to use them. Until the infighting is settled, its not going to happen. Can you imaging if there were ford and toyota gas stations and only those brands could fill there? Nope, lots of issues to work out and some are not technical.

[Bob Denman]

Yup!
If everybody could just get on the same page and do some actual co-operating: this whole issue could be solved in about ten years!

[UtahPete]

How long will it take you to cross the County; with a one-hour stop every 100 miles or so... They don't have this yet, and there's no infrastructure in place. Having said this: it will eventually get here: I'm certain of that.

It's already here; https://www.businessinsider.com/zero...d-hand-grips-3

[jaherbst]

BRP locked down some "E-Bike" patents in order to freeze out the competition.
Then they sat on the technology...
Zero is currently building about the best of the battery-powered bikes, and have a model that can surpass 200 miles on a single charge.
If BRP can't match or top that: I'm not interested.

Wow Bob, 200 miles? Camille and I have Specialized brand E-Bikes (Bicycles) that will do 90 miles on a charge. You are obviously talking Motorcycles here but that is pretty good. Has that Tiffin Wayfarer arrived yet?

Jack

[RICZ]

If that is truly a concern, why are some of the world's largest corporations placing big bets on the electrified future of transportation?

Present and upcoming government mandates.

[Sprocket]

Neighbor's Tesla 3 put out 215 miles in cold wx (i.e. Maine and Quebec) and 285 miles in the summer it takes 45 minutes for a full charge at a Tesla Super charger. Thats with an 70 KW/h battery. Tons of recharging stations, just do a search on Google many more in Canada. The engines are much more reliable as is the drivetrain (in my opinion). I figure in 5-years or so they'll be practiable even for those 400 mile trips. Given the maintenance on a Spyder I take an electric model in a heartbeat.

[jcthorne]

How would you charge it when you left home? You cannot use the Tesla chargers.

[Raprider]

Doesn't the Zero utilize some sort of swap-able battery setup, meaning one is in use and one is in "storage" waiting to be used?
I'm not an engineer, but what would it take to design some sore of regenerative system via either braking energy or a small gasoline engine that could recharge the second battery while in storage? Or the main one while being used? Is the drain on the battery being used greater that the recharge capacity of a gas engine? Or does that defeat the entire purpose?