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Question about F3 versus RT acceleration
I am considering getting my first Spyder after selling a Goldwing F6B due to its heavy weight. Does an F3 accelerate faster than an RT of the same year and engine size (rider weight and load, etc. being similar)?
Thanks.
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I have them both w/1330 engine - both are great machines and accelerate great for me. Fun factor IMO - F3 wins hands down.
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I seem to remember that the F3 is geared lower for faster acceleration, I believe it was said that it has one more cog to the rear sprocket.
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You really have to take long test rides on both Spyders to see which fits YOUR riding preference. I was very impressed with the fun factor of the F3 but the Tupperware on it hits me right in the knees which, even with padded riding pants, made it less comfortable FOR ME than my RT.
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Depends...
They are different ... but then how much difference are you looking for..? the test ryde will help the most as comfort, storage and distance is what most consider between them....
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Having suffered through a test of acceleration: the F3 will eat the RT's lunch, and leave the dirty napkin stuck in the RT's storage...
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Originally Posted by Slvrvalk1
I am considering getting my first Spyder after selling a Goldwing F6B due to its heavy weight. Does an F3 accelerate faster than an RT of the same year and engine size (rider weight and load, etc. being similar)?
Thanks.
Dave
The RT weighs more the rider sits higher than the F3 handling wise they are two different animals as suggested you need to ride them both for yourself to make up your mind.
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Statistically the F3 is at Least 2 seconds faster to 60 MPH- Maybe someone can give the exact 0-60 times for both?
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Originally Posted by ottawa-rider
I seem to remember that the F3 is geared lower for faster acceleration, I believe it was said that it has one more cog to the rear sprocket.
Correct. The F3 is geared down via a larger rear sprocket, except it's 10 teeth, not 1. The F3L, however, has the same rear sprocket as the RT.
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Originally Posted by KX5062
The F3L, however, has the same rear sprocket as the RT.
Unless you are lucky enough to get a 2016 F3L. That year model did not get the truck, but it does have the same size sprocket as the F3T , F3S, and F3.
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If acceleration is the goal... Ryker hands down! Lol. But I’d never get rid of my RT, that machine meets all my goals. I ride w F3’s and don’t have problems keeping up, BajaRon helped w that. The funny thing is, before I purchased my RT I called Can Am to ask the difference. I was told seating position is only difference, same machine. But reading comments above, looks like difference is much more than seating. Hope you love your choice as much as I do.
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I rode an RT before buying the F3T, the seat of my pants couldn't tell the difference in acceleration. I wound up choosing the F3T only because the RT hurt me to sit on (thanks, arthritic hips!).
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I often refer to an RT as a station wagon. The F3 is a couple hundred pounds lighter and some models do use a larger rear pulley that will help make it accellerate more quickly.
Then again, there are some of these RT station wagons that are no doubt sleepers, kind of like this video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OFp_-nprXAk
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Last edited by Bob Denman; 12-18-2018 at 08:53 AM.
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Originally Posted by grumpyoldretiredcop
I rode an RT before buying the F3T, the seat of my pants couldn't tell the difference in acceleration. I wound up choosing the F3T only because the RT hurt me to sit on (thanks, arthritic hips!).
Heard that!. Too many years working on concrete floors on a loading dock
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Originally Posted by JayBros
You really have to take long test rides on both Spyders to see which fits YOUR riding preference. I was very impressed with the fun factor of the F3 but the Tupperware on it hits me right in the knees which, even with padded riding pants, made it less comfortable FOR ME than my RT.
I agree. Part of the Tupperware on the F3 sticks out right where my knees are and it would be very uncomfortable in a ride of more than a few minutes. This may only affect tall people (I have a 34" inseam).
As for acceleration, why is it even important that the F3 may be a little faster than an RT? It's the ride that's fun, not the statistics. My bone-stock RT easily outpaces all the cars at intersections without even trying. On the highway, I can drop down a gear or two and pass easily. I can cruise easily at 80 and if I went much faster, I'd just get a speeding ticket. Sooooo ... what difference would a second or two of additional acceleration really make? Both the RT and F3 are great. Forget the statistics and buy whichever model fits you better and is more enjoyable in normal riding ... like Chupaca said, it's mostly about comfort, storage and distance.
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The F6B is what I consider the cruiser model of the Goldwing. The F3 is more like a cruiser model of Spyder than the RT. I came from a touring Goldwing to an RTL (touring) Spyder. My riding is mostly touring and I have the right bike for me. If your riding is mostly cruising then the F3 most likely will suit you better if it is comfortable for you. As far as acceleration is concerned, I will probably do an ECU modification when my warranty expires next May. I do this only to allow more spirited performance when pulling my trailer while touring. Otherwise, the stock RTL has more than enough acceleration to get the attention of those who flash blue lights..... Jim
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I am the OP. I asked the question because I rode an older RT (2010) and it seemed sluggish. The tension in the throttle was much more than my F6B or the Ninja 1000 that I still own. It was not fun to ride. I know it has the smaller engine, and it may just have been this particular bike, but I wanted to know in general if the F3 is more spirited.
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Originally Posted by Slvrvalk1
I am the OP. I asked the question because I rode an older RT (2010) and it seemed sluggish. The tension in the throttle was much more than my F6B or the Ninja 1000 that I still own. It was not fun to ride. I know it has the smaller engine, and it may just have been this particular bike, but I wanted to know in general if the F3 is more spirited.
First brp changed the throttle tension in later models. Much lighter. The 1330 is not sluggish. Its fairly quick. The F3 I think is a more spirited ride. I've had both. But comfort should be your main goal. Ride both and choose.
Last edited by JP58; 12-18-2018 at 09:48 PM.
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Originally Posted by Slvrvalk1
I am the OP. I asked the question because I rode an older RT (2010) and it seemed sluggish. The tension in the throttle was much more than my F6B or the Ninja 1000 that I still own. It was not fun to ride. I know it has the smaller engine, and it may just have been this particular bike, but I wanted to know in general if the F3 is more spirited.
I'd have to say that the difference in center of gravity and seating position makes the comparison pretty tough from a rider's seat point of view. In straightline acceleration I couldn't tell any difference. I feel a lot less outside roll in turns/corners from the F3T than I did the RT which means that I don't have a problem turning the F3T a lot harder than I did the RT right from the beginning. That makes the F3T feel more "spirited" to me. I don't recall any significant difference in throttle tension. My two wheeled background is mostly touring bikes (Victory Cross Country, GL1800, a couple of Electra Glides, Kawi Vaquero, Yamaha 2nd Gen Venture, GL1500, Kawi 1st Gen Concours)for the last 20 years but a mix of street bikes and a couple of dirt bikes before that, if it helps you see what experience my replies are based on.
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Originally Posted by Slvrvalk1
I am the OP. I asked the question because I rode an older RT (2010) and it seemed sluggish. The tension in the throttle was much more than my F6B or the Ninja 1000 that I still own. It was not fun to ride. I know it has the smaller engine, and it may just have been this particular bike, but I wanted to know in general if the F3 is more spirited.
Not to sound like a jerk about this, but that comparison is not a good one. Typically, many that are into the V twin Spyders enjoy them for the higher rpm antics compared to the triple 1330. Those with the twins, tend to know they like to be wound up to really run, compared to the 1330 which is, in stock tuning, very smooth and mellow down low with a good pull, but also must move a lot more weight.
Saying that, you should truly compare a 2014 or newer or better still same year RT vs a F3.
Each models offered currently, has its own perks. Essentially, the power on the F3 and RT series is similar but the RT carries more weight. However, the RT is no slouch stock, and can improved upon. Same with the F3 or even an earlier twin.
Your deciding criteria should likely focus more on howthe vehicle appearance catches your eye, comfort, and ability to carry stuff. The v twin will get worse fuel mileage, but can be contended with if you chose that route.
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Now I understand. You were riding an RT with a 998. They are actually a bit faster than the 1330 RTs IF YOU RUN THE RPMS up where they make power. 6000 and up is where they really shine. Much less low end torque than the 1330. An F3S will beat either of them. Especially if tuned.
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I never found that to be true: the 1330 always had the power to run and hide from my 998.
It was all about a torque curve that made the power much more useable.
My 998 would get to 95 quickly, and then just crawl up to 100
The 1330 was just as quick to 95, but then kept right on truckin'!
I never saw anything more than 101 mph on the 998's speedometer.
The 1330 showed my 109 on the GPS display (114 on the speedo...)
The distance to speed in each case was pretty similar.
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