The end of Chuck.

[Peter Aawen]

Funnily enough, dropping your tire pressures a little often DOES help reduce hydroplaning, because it doesn't usually make the contact patch much WIDER, it generally makes that contact patch proportionally LONGER - and in doing so allows the sipes & grooves in the tread to move a little as they flex onto the road surface,, gripping the road like little fingers, as well as effectively PUMPING the water away from the contact patch, and in doing this it also lessens the wedge of water created in front of the tire that is what lifts the contact patch & creates the hydroplaning problem in the first place!!

But it is a fairly fine line, tire pressure that's too high makes the tire unable to flex so it can't act as a pump or reach optimum operating temps, so it's like running on a railway wheel.... fine while you are going slow enough, but they'll always give an awful rough ride, and once you get going faster, it gives you all the drawbacks of an ice skate on polished concrete & none of the benefits!! Plus it only lets the tread pattern grooves move water away from the contact patch - none or very little gets moved by the smaller sipes; the tread compound itself is too cold & hard to do any 'gripping'; the sipes don't open as the tread flexes onto the contact patch so it doesn't do any of the 'pumping action' that the tread is designed to create; and the compound itself is either too cold & hard to grab (cos the tire hasn't flexed enough to warm up) or it's too hot & runny & floppy as it approaches delamination temps!!

Then there's the little window which is the optimum pressure for the load that Mike & I spend so much time talking about, where both the tread pattern and the tread compound get to work as they were designed under the load placed upon them and btw, once you are running aftermarket tires, those optimum pressures generally have little to do with the vehicle manufacturers 'recommended pressures' for the OE Spec tires, simply because they are mainly TIRE & LOAD dependant, varied a little by riding style & ambient temps etc, but definitely not aimed at selling more vehicles or OE Spec tires. The tread grooves start moving water away from the contact patch as the tire rolls onto the road; the smaller channels & sipes open as the tread flexes down onto the road & then start to close as they pass thru the contact patch, initially collecting & grabbing water & then forcing it out to the sides of the tire as they close, acting like little pumps to move more water away from the contact patch; and at the same time they are acting as sticky fingers grabbing onto the road surface & hanging on because they are hot & sticky without being too hot to be virtually useless &/or runny/delaminating!!

And then you can get pressures that are too low, generally down so low that the tire might have difficulties staying on the rim. This is where lowering the pressure starts making the contact patch wider more than it makes it longer, and it is pretty low for most aftermarket tires carrying the fairly light load imposed by our Spyders.... think about even lower than about 8psi, down in that vicinity, but if you do the 'ink test' on the contact patch (use a small puddle of water on an otherwise dry road instead of ink & paper tho, it's easier to source, do, and clean up! ) you'll see very quickly when the contact patch width stastaincreasesr ts to increase proportionally MORE than its length increases as the pressures drop & you lower the tire under its load onto a dry surface.... you really don't want to be fown there, cos the tire CAN roll off the rim, the centre of the tread/contact patch starts to bow up & in, lifting off the road surface & allowing even more water to collect in there, the outside edge of the tread becomes the only bits left touching the road surface, massively reducing the contact patch area & minimising grip & the ability of the tread to move water out of the way, and basically becoming almost as dangerous as running pressures that are too high!!

So in a nutshell, tire pressures that are too high are dangerous; tire pressures that are too low are dangerous; & the 'just right' tire pressures that Mike & I bang on so much about are as safe as you'll get, JUST SO LONG AS YOU DROP YOUR SPEED to be SLOW ENOUGH BEFORE YOU HIT THE WATER!!

Someone said it earlier, ! I'll paraphrase it here - the best preventative action against hydroplaning you can take is less twist in that right wrist....

[UtahPete]

Funnily enough, dropping your tire pressures a little often DOES help reduce hydroplaning, because it doesn't usually make the contact patch much WIDER, it generally makes that contact patch proportionally LONGER - and in doing so allows the sipes & grooves in the tread to move a little as they flex onto the road surface,, gripping the road like little fingers, as well as effectively PUMPING the water away from the contact patch, and in doing this it also lessens the wedge of water created in front of the tire that is what lifts the contact patch & creates the hydroplaning problem in the first place!!

Then there's the little window which is the optimum pressure for the load that Mike & I spend so much time talking about, where both the tread pattern and the tread compound get to work as they were designed under the load placed upon them and btw, once you are running aftermarket tires, those optimum pressures generally have little to do with the vehicle manufacturers 'recommended pressures' for the OE Spec tires, simply because they are mainly TIRE & LOAD dependant,

And then you can get pressures that are too low, generally down so low that the tire might have difficulties staying on the rim. This is where lowering the pressure starts making the contact patch wider more than it makes it longer, and it is pretty low for most aftermarket tires carrying the fairly light load imposed by our Spyders.... think about even lower than about 8psi, down in that vicinity,

So in a nutshell, tire pressures that are too high are dangerous; tire pressures that are too low are dangerous; & the 'just right' tire pressures that Mike & I bang on so much about are as safe as you'll get, JUST SO LONG AS YOU DROP YOUR SPEED to be SLOW ENOUGH BEFORE YOU HIT THE WATER!!

Someone said it earlier, ! I'll paraphrase it here - the best preventative action against hydroplaning you can take is less twist in that right wrist....

Thanks, Peter, I was hoping you would weigh in on this. Very valuable insight. Mike has been saying the same thing, I'm sure, but it can be a little difficult to understand his posts at times.

[Peteoz]

Thanks for taking the time to post that, Peter

So your research shows that a lower psi can help in the wet (and dry), but nothing is going to save you if you are travelling too fast and hit standing water....that’ll do me

Pete

[Roadster Renovations]

Good answer, Peter!
Another factor if you are running aftermarket tires on a Spyder to consider is that the manufacturer's recommended tire pressures are based upon a great deal more weight than the Spyder has, so running a slightly lower pressure should improve the gripping and water dispersion. The tricky part is that that pressure is going to vary by multiple factors; weight of the byke (RT vs F3), what kind of load (one or two up), ryding style, and others I have missed. I think we each need to find that ideal tire pressure if we are running aftermarket tires.
I will give you a perfect example: Our RT and F3 have identical tires, front and back, (Federal EVO's on the front and Michelin Hydroedge on the rear). The RT has 40k miles on the rear tire and the F3 has about 12k. When there is any rain or the road is wet, the F3 is prone to spin in the first three gears. Whereas the RT will hardly spin a tire. I am extremely careful when ryding the F3 in wet conditions. I would probably not ryde it on the interstate at freeway speeds in much rain. The byke is just too light to ryde in heavy rain, regardless of tire pressure.

[jaherbst]

Funnily enough, dropping your tire pressures a little often DOES help reduce hydroplaning, because it doesn't usually make the contact patch much WIDER, it generally makes that contact patch proportionally LONGER - and in doing so allows the sipes & grooves in the tread to move a little as they flex onto the road surface,, gripping the road like little fingers, as well as effectively PUMPING the water away from the contact patch, and in doing this it also lessens the wedge of water created in front of the tire that is what lifts the contact patch & creates the hydroplaning problem in the first place!!

But it is a fairly fine line, tire pressure that's too high makes the tire unable to flex so it can't act as a pump or reach optimum operating temps, so it's like running on a railway wheel.... fine while you are going slow enough, but they'll always give an awful rough ride, and once you get going faster, it gives you all the drawbacks of an ice skate on polished concrete & none of the benefits!! Plus it only lets the tread pattern grooves move water away from the contact patch - none or very little gets moved by the smaller sipes; the tread compound itself is too cold & hard to do any 'gripping'; the sipes don't open as the tread flexes onto the contact patch so it doesn't do any of the 'pumping action' that the tread is designed to create; and the compound itself is either too cold & hard to grab (cos the tire hasn't flexed enough to warm up) or it's too hot & runny & floppy as it approaches delamination temps!!

Then there's the little window which is the optimum pressure for the load that Mike & I spend so much time talking about, where both the tread pattern and the tread compound get to work as they were designed under the load placed upon them and btw, once you are running aftermarket tires, those optimum pressures generally have little to do with the vehicle manufacturers 'recommended pressures' for the OE Spec tires, simply because they are mainly TIRE & LOAD dependant, varied a little by riding style & ambient temps etc, but definitely not aimed at selling more vehicles or OE Spec tires. The tread grooves start moving water away from the contact patch as the tire rolls onto the road; the smaller channels & sipes open as the tread flexes down onto the road & then start to close as they pass thru the contact patch, initially collecting & grabbing water & then forcing it out to the sides of the tire as they close, acting like little pumps to move more water away from the contact patch; and at the same time they are acting as sticky fingers grabbing onto the road surface & hanging on because they are hot & sticky without being too hot to be virtually useless &/or runny/delaminating!!

And then you can get pressures that are too low, generally down so low that the tire might have difficulties staying on the rim. This is where lowering the pressure starts making the contact patch wider more than it makes it longer, and it is pretty low for most aftermarket tires carrying the fairly light load imposed by our Spyders.... think about even lower than about 8psi, down in that vicinity, but if you do the 'ink test' on the contact patch (use a small puddle of water on an otherwise dry road instead of ink & paper tho, it's easier to source, do, and clean up! ) you'll see very quickly when the contact patch width stastaincreasesr ts to increase proportionally MORE than its length increases as the pressures drop & you lower the tire under its load onto a dry surface.... you really don't want to be fown there, cos the tire CAN roll off the rim, the centre of the tread/contact patch starts to bow up & in, lifting off the road surface & allowing even more water to collect in there, the outside edge of the tread becomes the only bits left touching the road surface, massively reducing the contact patch area & minimising grip & the ability of the tread to move water out of the way, and basically becoming almost as dangerous as running pressures that are too high!!

So in a nutshell, tire pressures that are too high are dangerous; tire pressures that are too low are dangerous; & the 'just right' tire pressures that Mike & I bang on so much about are as safe as you'll get, JUST SO LONG AS YOU DROP YOUR SPEED to be SLOW ENOUGH BEFORE YOU HIT THE WATER!!

Someone said it earlier, ! I'll paraphrase it here - the best preventative action against hydroplaning you can take is less twist in that right wrist....

​Wow, those be a lot of words Peter. Sorry I just cannot trust anyone whose country is hanging upside down and eats "Bangers and Mash"!

​Jack

[Peteoz]

​Wow, those be a lot of words Peter. Sorry I just cannot trust anyone whose country is hanging upside down and eats "Bangers and Mash"!

​Jack

Hahaha....we got bangers and mash from the Brits, Jack.......

Pete

[Ramg66]

Good luck Chuck, I hope you recover fast. The end of Ramg66 lasted 25 years (Motorcycle accident), and now I am riding a Spyder and I feel safer on it, but 25 years is a long time and I regret it big time. Having the time of my life now.

[irvin48]

lets remember this thread was for our concern for chuck. i think we lost sight of the pain a
friend and fellow rider is going through. we wish you all the best and hope you keep us updated.
we are expecting a great outcome for you and yours.--irv and joyce.

[2dogs]

lets remember this thread was for our concern for chuck. i think we lost sight of the pain a
friend and fellow rider is going through. we wish you all the best and hope you keep us updated.
we are expecting a great outcome for you and yours.--irv and joyce.

Boy, didn't this post take a left turn and I got sucked right up in it. Lot of good info but it seems like Chuck got left out in the cold somewhere along the line. My best wishes for Chuck in a short 100% recovery and hope he'll mend well and be back on the road sooner rather then later. Get well Chuck.

[Big Juice]

Hope your not in pain and that you have a speedy and complete recovery. Where as some here will deride you for poor driving------- lets just hope that you are ok and get back in the saddle when you're up to it.

Having arrived home after a 2,000+ mile, 3 week trip---- we did hit some bad conditions. In the middle of nowhere Nevada, on a 2 lane road with a not usable shoulder and no shelter for miles------ we drove into a heavy HAIL storm. Couldn't pull over and just had to keep going, abet much slower. Even the big rigs has to slow some. Sometimes you can't avoid the water on the road.

Again, hope you have a complete recovery.

Lew L

I had a similar experience as Chuck, a couple weeks ago. Following my wife, on her Spyder, and me on my Spyder, hit a puddle in heavy rain, started sideways, corrected, then re-corrected and finally got it straight again, while holding on tight for dear life to stay on my Spyder that stayed upright and on the road. I had not slowed my speed for the rain or the puddle.
I RE-learned a lesson from my past, don't hit puddles at speed in my SUV, AND especially not on a 1,000 lb bike, because I am going to hydroplane! My wife had slowed and had no problem (she was smarter than me), while I was scrambling to miss hitting hitting HER! Fortunately I was far enough back and we didn't make contact. I will be slowing down in the rain and thinking about puddles for the future!
OJ

[Buckeye Chuck 54]

I am overwhelmed with best hopes and wishes from you on my thread. Thank all of you so much.
It's really got me to thinking, maybe there's light ahead.
Many doctor visits and rehab have me moving well, very well I might add. Without my walker,
but I still use it outside for balance.
Now about my tires. Here I get an "F". As in failure. I replaced my front tires early this year. I was
using Kumho Solus 155/60/15. I really liked these tires and got great mileage from them. I used 2 sets
and both had over 46,000 miles on them. They never even wore to the wear bars. But the edges were
bald. MY friend Joe, Buckeye Bleau sold me on a set of Federal Formoza's in the OEM size. These still
look new after 10,000 miles. No problems here.
But that rear tire.... I've used the General Alitmax 215/60/15 the last 2 tires. Great tire if you keep watching them.
I rode to Spyderfest with Joe and rode with Mike Blue Knight and Andy from Florida. My thinking was I'd change
to a new rear when I got back. But somebody was snoozing. I got home and my General had near 22,000
on it. I can go a little longer. But I went 7,000 miles longer. These tires, in the center, when worn can read
"REPLACE". Well the REPLACE was not there. A good sign is the tire wore even across the tread.A new tire is on order.
My original thread started a lot of talk about tires, lots of opinions. Peter from Australia even long winded, always
has something wise to say. It seems he's been around. Mike the Blue Knight is probably the most opinionated. HE's right on many things on tires. Mike and Peter agree on much the same thing. But one of them can go to extremes. Entertaining,
to say the least. It's what I like about this forum. The reader can take what they want and toss out the rest.

I've been running 20 PSI in all 3 of my tires but will drop to 18 when I get better.
There's a Spyder gathering here in Zanesville this weekend. I won't be able to go on my bike. IT's hard to strap my helmet on with a neck brace. I might make a short appearance in my cage just to see what's there. If anybody reading this
wants to meet me I'll be wearing my traditional jeans and suspenders, and of course my walker. I know there
are many I want to meet as well. One more thing on this, my old helmet even worm, old and smelly, saved me. THere are scratches front to back, side to side. It's retired now. It's all your choice to wear one or not. I've worn one since my start delivering newspapers in 1966. My parents wouldn't allow me riding without one.

So Spyderlovers all over, you are all an inspiration. Thank all of you! My limits are to be seen and it's not likely I'll have any more 48,000 mile years, certainly not this one. But I'll be back.
And with NEW TIRES!!

Buckeye Chuck 54
#4036

Some may know of my love ryding my 2014 RT-S, it's been my life for the last 3 years
and 358 days. While ryding in the rain on May 30 I spotted a water puddle just ahead.
I've ridden over puddles before and never felt hydroplaning. I passed over this one and
went into an uncontrollable spin at 65 mph. My bike spit me off. I recall hitting the asphalt
and contorting in a way the human body isn't supposed to. I was awake during this whole
episode. Quickly I was assisted by several passersby. I tried to stand up to no avail.
I was able to sit up, and a mere 50 feet away was my Pearl White RT-S, sitting straight up
and idling, seemingly mocking me. No damage, none.
I won't go onto my injuries, suffice to say I am still breathing. Will be homebound for months.
So Spyderlovers, after 157,428 miles it pains me to say, I've had enough.
People who know me think I'll be back. I know I'll try. just can'e see it.
Been ryding since I was 11 years old. Ridden 25 different motorcycles and by my calculations
covered well over 1.2 million miles. It's been fun. This Spyder was the most fun of any cycle I've
ever ridden.
I'll check into SL.com from time to time, maybe.
Buckeye Chuck 54
#4036

[Petrom714]

as a brand new rider, at age 61, with 67 miles under my belt, I am both alarmed at your accident, and heartened by the million miles of otherwise safe miles you accrued--godspeed in your recovery

Some may know of my love ryding my 2014 RT-S, it's been my life for the last 3 years
and 358 days. While ryding in the rain on May 30 I spotted a water puddle just ahead.
I've ridden over puddles before and never felt hydroplaning. I passed over this one and
went into an uncontrollable spin at 65 mph. My bike spit me off. I recall hitting the asphalt
and contorting in a way the human body isn't supposed to. I was awake during this whole
episode. Quickly I was assisted by several passersby. I tried to stand up to no avail.
I was able to sit up, and a mere 50 feet away was my Pearl White RT-S, sitting straight up
and idling, seemingly mocking me. No damage, none.
I won't go onto my injuries, suffice to say I am still breathing. Will be homebound for months.
So Spyderlovers, after 157,428 miles it pains me to say, I've had enough.
People who know me think I'll be back. I know I'll try. just can'e see it.
Been ryding since I was 11 years old. Ridden 25 different motorcycles and by my calculations
covered well over 1.2 million miles. It's been fun. This Spyder was the most fun of any cycle I've
ever ridden.
I'll check into SL.com from time to time, maybe.
Buckeye Chuck 54
#4036

[AeroPilot]

I have felt some hydroplaning on occasion and have been fortunate to avoid a major mishap. We all need a little luck to go along with the risk of our hobbies. I appreciate your honest reminder and details of the accident as we all can use some reflection and reminders to try to keep the Gremlins at bay. I just replaced my Kumho and still had some tread left, but I have been known to wear the middle bald as well. Likewise I have some new Solus' on the front that should roll well for a while on my 15 RT.

Hope your Bell keeps working for you and thanks for the Update

[UtahPete]

I am overwhelmed with best hopes and wishes from you on my thread. Thank all of you so much. It's really got me to thinking, maybe there's light ahead. Many doctor visits and rehab have me moving well, very well I might add. Without my walker, but I still use it outside for balance.

Now about my tires. Here I get an "F". As in failure. I replaced my front tires early this year. I was using Kumho Solus 155/60/15. I really liked these tires and got great mileage from them. I used 2 sets and both had over 46,000 miles on them. They never even wore to the wear bars. But the edges were bald. MY friend Joe, Buckeye Bleau sold me on a set of Federal Formoza's in the OEM size. These still look new after 10,000 miles. No problems here.

But that rear tire.... I've used the General Alitmax 215/60/15 the last 2 tires. Great tire if you keep watching them. I rode to Spyderfest with Joe and rode with Mike Blue Knight and Andy from Florida. My thinking was I'd change to a new rear when I got back. But somebody was snoozing. I got home and my General had near 22,000 on it. I can go a little longer. But I went 7,000 miles longer. These tires, in the center, when worn can read "REPLACE". Well the REPLACE was not there. A good sign is the tire wore even across the tread. A new tire is on order.

My original thread started a lot of talk about tires, lots of opinions. Peter from Australia even long winded, always has something wise to say. It seems he's been around. Mike the Blue Knight is probably the most opinionated. HE's right on many things on tires. Mike and Peter agree on much the same thing. But one of them can go to extremes. Entertaining, to say the least. It's what I like about this forum. The reader can take what they want and toss out the rest.

I've been running 20 PSI in all 3 of my tires but will drop to 18 when I get better.

So Spyderlovers all over, you are all an inspiration. Thank all of you! My limits are to be seen and it's not likely I'll have any more 48,000 mile years, certainly not this one. But I'll be back. And with NEW TIRES!!

Buckeye Chuck 54 #4036

Chuck, good to hear you're not giving up. Sure appreciate the feedback about the tires. It's one thing to stretch out the life of them; another to recognize when they're getting to the point of unsafe.

I get you and Buckeye Bleau confused. Sorry about that.

[Jeffmal]

I am overwhelmed with best hopes and wishes from you on my thread. Thank all of you so much.
It's really got me to thinking, maybe there's light ahead.
Many doctor visits and rehab have me moving well, very well I might add. Without my walker,
but I still use it outside for balance.
Now about my tires. Here I get an "F". As in failure. I replaced my front tires early this year. I was
using Kumho Solus 155/60/15. I really liked these tires and got great mileage from them. I used 2 sets
and both had over 46,000 miles on them. They never even wore to the wear bars. But the edges were
bald. MY friend Joe, Buckeye Bleau sold me on a set of Federal Formoza's in the OEM size. These still
look new after 10,000 miles. No problems here.
But that rear tire.... I've used the General Alitmax 215/60/15 the last 2 tires. Great tire if you keep watching them.
I rode to Spyderfest with Joe and rode with Mike Blue Knight and Andy from Florida. My thinking was I'd change
to a new rear when I got back. But somebody was snoozing. I got home and my General had near 22,000
on it. I can go a little longer. But I went 7,000 miles longer. These tires, in the center, when worn can read
"REPLACE". Well the REPLACE was not there. A good sign is the tire wore even across the tread.A new tire is on order.


My original thread started a lot of talk about tires, lots of opinions. Peter from Australia even long winded, always
has something wise to say. It seems he's been around. Mike the Blue Knight is probably the most opinionated. HE's right on many things on tires. Mike and Peter agree on much the same thing. But one of them can go to extremes. Entertaining,
to say the least. It's what I like about this forum. The reader can take what they want and toss out the rest.

I've been running 20 PSI in all 3 of my tires but will drop to 18 when I get better.
There's a Spyder gathering here in Zanesville this weekend. I won't be able to go on my bike. IT's hard to strap my helmet on with a neck brace. I might make a short appearance in my cage just to see what's there. If anybody reading this
wants to meet me I'll be wearing my traditional jeans and suspenders, and of course my walker. I know there
are many I want to meet as well. One more thing on this, my old helmet even worm, old and smelly, saved me. THere are scratches front to back, side to side. It's retired now. It's all your choice to wear one or not. I've worn one since my start delivering newspapers in 1966. My parents wouldn't allow me riding without one.

So Spyderlovers all over, you are all an inspiration. Thank all of you! My limits are to be seen and it's not likely I'll have any more 48,000 mile years, certainly not this one. But I'll be back.
And with NEW TIRES!!

Buckeye Chuck 54
#4036

Chuck, Although our paths have not crossed, I'm glad you can see a light at the end of the tunnel, that is both promising
and encouraging. I also want to wish you a speedy recovery and truly believe this forum and all the well intended folks will help
you get through this trying period. Your continued input is both medicinal for you and quite beneficial for the rest of us!
Please keep posting!!!
Kindest Regards, Jeff

[Roadster Renovations]

Now THAT's more like it, Chuck!! You'll be back on in no time!

And, I might be able to work you a deal on a walker carrier, if needed!

[LeftCoast]

​Wow, those be a lot of words Peter. Sorry I just cannot trust anyone whose country is hanging upside down and eats "Bangers and Mash"!

​Jack

Actually it was the vegemite that got me. Still I think it’s great that there are Aussies on this board. I’d love to see Australia again, this time on a Spyder.

[canamjhb]

Chuck, thanks for your latest post. Your vast experience and hindsight about going too far on a tire, as well as helmets are important bookmarks for all of us. It is good to see your upbeat demeanor. God's speed with your recovery

[Buckeye Chuck 54]

Something I should have said earlier about my accident.
I said I was going 65 at the time. Well that can't be right.
I turned left onto a 4 lane highway off a 2 lane. From there
it's half mile all uphill to where it happened. I would have
been traveling closer to 55. This 4 lane road is notorious for
flat pavement, water can't run off. But it's still not smart ryding
at even 55 with a worn tire with puddles all over.
The speed limit is 70 here.

I've received a lot of encouragement and good wishes on my thread.
And I really appreciate it. And I've received lots of criticism too.
I appreciate both. My episode hopefully will remind other ryders to
run with good rubber and take it easy on wet roads. You'd think I
should know better. I needed a reminder.

Joe, Buckeye Bleau and I rode to and back from Spyderfest. Within 100
miles from Springfield we ran into rain. It wasn't hard rain, just enough
to wet the road. But we slowed to 55.
This is Joe's first open air vehicle he's ever owned. Not even any kind
of motorcycle. It amazes me how well he rydes it. I should know better.

Don't apologize for confusing him and I. I consider it a compliment.

I'm planning my next / first ryde. I did break 2 fingers on my left hand.
I see the doctor next Friday where I'll see how it's healing. My last visit
he said I'd be rehabbing squeezing a tennis ball. Wouldn't a left handlebar
grip work just as well?

Buckeye Chuck

Chuck, good to hear you're not giving up. Sure appreciate the feedback about the tires. It's one thing to stretch out the life of them; another to recognize when they're getting to the point of unsafe.

I get you and Buckeye Bleau confused. Sorry about that.

[UtahPete]

Something I should have said earlier about my accident. I said I was going 65 at the time. Well that can't be right. I turned left onto a 4 lane highway off a 2 lane. From there it's half mile all uphill to where it happened. I would have been traveling closer to 55. This 4 lane road is notorious for flat pavement, water can't run off. But it's still not smart ryding at even 55 with a worn tire with puddles all over. The speed limit is 70 here.

I'm planning my next / first ryde. I did break 2 fingers on my left hand. I see the doctor next Friday where I'll see how it's healing. My last visit he said I'd be rehabbing squeezing a tennis ball. Wouldn't a left handlebar grip work just as well? Buckeye Chuck

Thanks for the update, Chuck. I'm glad you've decided not to give up riding. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to meet you one day.

[Deanna777]

Chuck,

Thanks for the update.


Deanna

[Docster]

If you feel that discussing Truth vs. Fiction is a p*ssing contest then please Add me to your ignore list .....If you feel someone spewing Dangerous info is OK..... Then also add me to your Ignore list if you haven't already......your welcome ......... Mike

Mike, YOU are one of a few that uses science and data. I put that particular emoji on the end for a reason......

Not gonna add you to my ignore list

[Buckeye Bleau]

Chuck, good to hear you're not giving up. Sure appreciate the feedback about the tires. It's one thing to stretch out the life of them; another to recognize when they're getting to the point of unsafe.

I get you and Buckeye Bleau confused. Sorry about that.

Buckeye Chuck is the better looking one. He slightly resembles Marty Feldman, I on the other hand am three notches lower.

Joe