ECU Flash

[wmh9680]

Yeah, In the far nw suburbs, Monster in Canada. LOL

[Lew L]

I haven't heard any complaints about the ECU flash----- only sore cheeks from smiling all the time. I think the flash is GREAT, best mod for the $$. The should have come this way from the factory.
Lew L

[wmh9680]

I just got my stage 2 back and installed it and took her for a short ride. Seemed better but will have to wait until I really take her out for a spin. Does the stage 2 make her louder? Thanks, Mike

[308gunner]

I just got my stage 2 back and installed it and took her for a short ride. Seemed better but will have to wait until I really take her out for a spin. Does the stage 2 make her louder? Thanks, Mike

When you're able to take it out for a good ride, you're going to love it. It will be a little louder but stronger and richer sounding. If you decide to upgrade your exhaust it's going to sound great as others here has posted.. again you're going to love it.

[troop]

Nope.. One or the other

[Peter Aawen]

If you hafta use lower octane gas than that recommended after an ECU Upgrade, don't worry too much, just take it a little easy on the throttle until you've run about a tank full of the recommended juice thru it again.

It's not that it won't run on the lower octane stuff, it's just that with the upgrade, the ECU has been optimised to make the most of the higher octane gas, so reverting to lower juice for a tank or 3 could cause some pinging etc if you like wringing it out a bit, and that might not be great for the engine (or fuel economy, running temps, EGT's, et al)

So if you hafta go low, just go easy on it until you're back running unadulterated good stuff! Your engine will appreciate it, & probably show it too! !

[CoolSpyder2014]

Just received an email from monster, they suggest staying above 91 octane with the stage 2. But, they also said that it's better to run with ethanol , than ethanol free,
said the engine runs cooler. Which makes it easier to find stations with above 91 octane .

[fatboy]

carry a bottle of octane booster

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Just received an email from monster, they suggest staying above 91 octane with the stage 2. But, they also said that it's better to run with ethanol , than ethanol free,
said the engine runs cooler. Which makes it easier to find stations with above 91 octane .

" SUGGEST " is quite different than " MUST " ….it would have been nice if they had told you WHY ….it's interesting about the " Ethanol " use …… Mike

[troop]

Think this a a first, reading about a powersport performance supplier, recommending ethanol over ethanol free .... ??

[2dogs]

Think this a a first, reading about a powersport performance supplier, recommending ethanol over ethanol free .... ??

Yep, I'm waiting for an explanation on that one too.

[CoolSpyder2014]

I know. I spent 2 hours Saturday, driving to a station and back that had 93 octane ethanol free. Because Ive always thought small engines run better on it

[troop]

What is so dramatically different between the stage 1 and 2 flash that doesn't recommend the drilled air filter cover for the stage 1 ? I'll likely drill the holes when I buy/ load the map from the DJ PV3...

[fatboy]

more air

[troop]

Well... duh. Is their a dramatic difference in fueling/timing/etc ? Stage 1 = Non EPA compliant and Stage 2 = full blown to the edge ?

[fatboy]

stage one makes you smile stage two makes you smile from ear to ear

[308gunner]

Monster ECU flash update: Monster fuel Injection is coming out with a hand programmer to compete with Dynojet. Check out Monster Fuels website....this stuff just got real!!!...whoo-Hoo!!

[gom]

I have been building, racing, working and tuning automobiles for over 40 years I have not have to open up a ECU in over 20 years to tune them in the old days we would replace the prom but we just hook up to the OBD port now with the computer and special software and adapters. How do you think the companies that sell you the tuner do it the same way that monster and wicks do it. They just do not want to invest in R&D for the tuner to sell you its more money for them. The only real difference in the tune is monster/wicks are selling you a more aggressive tune one is not better than the other. Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work it's the same as when you take your car in they will not call you until the end of day even if the repair only took a couple of hours but charged book time which was way more time than it exactly did the average person would be upset. I now and understand how and what it takes to do a performance tune. If bikes are different than I am sorry never tuned a bike yet. In closing the last thing I would want is some one to open up my ECU and then try to seal it right that's a whole other can of worms. Like I said I do performance tunes for automobiles not bikes so if it's different I will stand corrected.

@PETOZ AUSTRALIA TOLD YOU SO.

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[SNOOPY]

I have been building, racing, working and tuning automobiles for over 40 years I have not have to open up a ECU in over 20 years to tune them in the old days we would replace the prom but we just hook up to the OBD port now with the computer and special software and adapters. How do you think the companies that sell you the tuner do it the same way that monster and wicks do it. They just do not want to invest in R&D for the tuner to sell you its more money for them. The only real difference in the tune is monster/wicks are selling you a more aggressive tune one is not better than the other. Also they do not want you to wait and probably say it takes longer because you will get upset when they charge you 600 for 1/2 hours worth of work it's the same as when you take your car in they will not call you until the end of day even if the repair only took a couple of hours but charged book time which was way more time than it exactly did the average person would be upset. I now and understand how and what it takes to do a performance tune. If bikes are different than I am sorry never tuned a bike yet. In closing the last thing I would want is some one to open up my ECU and then try to seal it right that's a whole other can of worms. Like I said I do performance tunes for automobiles not bikes so if it's different I will stand corrected.

@PETOZ AUSTRALIA TOLD YOU SO.

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I agree, no way they are digging into the PCM. Simply flashing a tune they developed probably years ago and sending it back.

It is their business though and everyone loves what they sell so good on them. Everyone has their thing. I know a few manufacturers of performance automotive items and the stuff they make costs a few cents on the dollar and they make millions a year on products. It is what it is.

[krakum1967]

I am having my RSS done. This will be the fourth vehicle I have had flashed. I had my Yami FZ09 (sold), a Vulcan 900, a Vulcan 1600, and a Yami Bolt SCR. The 900 cc bikes were the most impacted and most drastically changed, especially the Vulcan 900, I dont know if any you have ridden one, they are a great bike, but stock? They are a tractor, SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW, the flash completely changed that bike.

I will do any bike I can from this point forward. I wish I could find someone to do the Triumph Thruxton I have in the barn too. I will find a shop someday, I am sure.

[rdkarl]

I am having my RSS done. This will be the fourth vehicle I have had flashed. I had my Yami FZ09 (sold), a Vulcan 900, a Vulcan 1600, and a Yami Bolt SCR. The 900 cc bikes were the most impacted and most drastically changed, especially the Vulcan 900, I dont know if any you have ridden one, they are a great bike, but stock? They are a tractor, SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW, the flash completely changed that bike.

I will do any bike I can from this point forward. I wish I could find someone to do the Triumph Thruxton I have in the barn too. I will find a shop someday, I am sure.

Not sure what year Thruxton you have, but for the Thruxton Ace that I previously owned, I purchased a flash from these guys. Well worth it.

https://www.triumphtwinpower.com/

[T.P.]

So back in July 2019, I talked to Coleman at Wick-It Performance about doing the stage 1 flash to my 1330
He asked if I rev to the 8100 redline before up shifting. At that point I would have been shifting anywhere from 6500 to 7000 rpm range so no.
he said "Boy are you missing out on a lot" he wanted me to make the new flash at the 8600rpm limit. he also told me lots of the guys are doing the 8800 to 9200 rpm redline. I took my ride out and did a couple of getting on the freeway at 8100 rpm's and thats screaming.

How many of you went to the stock 8100 rpm when up shifting befor the flash ? and how many of you go to the after flash 8600 to 9200 redline ?
I did go with the power Vision 3 unit and that increased my redline to 8400 rpm.

T.P.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

How many of you went to the stock 8100 rpm when up shifting befor the flash ? and how many of you go to the after flash 8600 to 9200 redline ?
I did go with the power Vision 3 unit and that increased my redline to 8400 rpm.

I would really be cautious about pushing the redline above the factory setting. I'm not a gas engine engineer but I'm sure there are other factors that determine redline other than ignition and fuel parameters, things like hydraulic valve float, timing chain vibration, oil volume through the bearings, and so on.

[Peter Aawen]

I would really be cautious about pushing the redline above the factory setting. I'm not a gas engine engineer but I'm sure there are other factors that determine redline other than ignition and fuel parameters, things like hydraulic valve float, timing chain vibration, oil volume through the bearings, and so on.

That's true, but even if you push the Spyder's red line out a fair bit beyond 9000 rpm, it's STILL not gonna exceed the red line that the very same engine runs in other (arguably more demanding) applications!! Most of the 'ECU Upgrades' being talked about here get nowhere near the limits or power outputs that these engines are capable of and are pushed much closer to by the 'factory' elsewhere! So I wouldn't worry too much about such a mild red line increase as those being mentioned here..... Going for a red line over saaay, 10,000 rpm tho, now THAT's probably gonna be pushing the envelope a little!

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

That's true, but even if you push the Spyder's red line out a fair bit beyond 9000 rpm, it's STILL not gonna exceed the red line that the very same engine runs in other (arguably more demanding) applications!! Most of the 'ECU Upgrades' being talked about here get nowhere near the limits or power outputs that these engines are capable of and are pushed much closer to by the 'factory' elsewhere! So I wouldn't worry too much about such a mild red line increase as those being mentioned here..... Going for a red line over saaay, 10,000 rpm tho, now THAT's probably gonna be pushing the envelope a little!

Thanks. Do any of the Spyder engines share a design or build with ultra light aircraft engines? How fast do those puppies twist propellers? Or do they maybe run slower because the load on a propeller makes it difficult to turn faster?