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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Pete, But couldn't this be your bias.. against his bias? My head is starting to hurt...
    Bob, he's making such a broad statement about the conditions in NY and how 'liberals' behave, I don't think it's my bias (and yes, I do have them) bringing his claims into question.
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    Pete... you kind of did...
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    Bob, he's making such a broad statement about the conditions in NY and how 'liberals' behave, I don't think it's my bias (and yes, I do have them) bringing his claims into question.
    But he DOES liver there, and he is trying to run a business...
    I'd trust his take on the situation; he has to see what is going on there... every day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Pete... you kind of did...
    You think it's my bias that his statement is biased? You think it's fact-based and not just his perception?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    You think it's my bias that his statement is biased? You think it's fact-based and not just his perception?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    Don't you think maybe that's just your bias?
    perhaps so but don't you think it could be true? if deblasio really wanted to help nyc then he probably wouldn't
    be renting out his house for over $5k/month while he & his family live in the mayors mansion. nyc liberals ask
    and take more then they are willing to give and NO that is not my opinion or bias.

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    I think that he should convert his house into a homeless shelter...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    I think that he should convert his house into a homeless shelter...
    i have said that for many years, but since he is a liberal he doesn't want to spend HIS money on others, it should only
    be public money like when he gave a $100k grant to an anti american hate group with ties to Hamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN View Post
    i have said that for many years, but since he is a liberal he doesn't want to spend HIS money on others, it should only
    be public money like when he gave a $100k grant to an anti american hate group with ties to Hamas.
    You don't think there is anything wrong with saying this? You don't think this is a bigoted statement?

    Never mind. Judging from your history of posts, I'd say the answer is no to both questions.
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    Pete,
    I have to ask: how would YOU describe Bill DiBlasio?

    Personally: I think that calling him a "Liberal"; seems rather polite...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Pete, I have to ask: how would YOU describe Bill DiBlasio? Personally: I think that calling him a "Liberal"; seems rather polite...
    I think he probably is a liberal. That's not what I was objecting to. I was objecting to the bigoted statement (and all the other similarly bigoted statements on this forum) that 'because he's a liberal, then ..... whatever'.

    That is absurd. You can't make broad statements about a certain class of people (liberals, democrats, blacks, muslims, vegetarians) without expecting to be called out on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    You don't think there is anything wrong with saying this? You don't think this is a bigoted statement?

    Never mind. Judging from your history of posts, I'd say the answer is no to both questions.
    pete usually when i make statements like that i base it on a little known thing called facts. at any time i can back
    up what i say but that would be pointless to you.
    Oh by the way under the first amendment i am allowed to make those statements, under the first amendment
    i am allowed to lie and the aclu would have to back me up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    That is absurd. You can't make broad statements about a certain class of people (liberals, democrats, blacks, muslims, vegetarians) without expecting to be called out on it.
    This is funny: I didn't se a single mention of:
    Republicans
    Conservatives
    Whites
    Middle-Class
    Firearms enthusiasts
    or even
    Males

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    This is funny: I didn't se a single mention of:
    Republicans
    Conservatives
    Whites
    Middle-Class
    Firearms enthusiasts
    or even
    Males

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    I was using examples of groups of people about which any broad statements would be unsupportable and based only on the speaker's biases.

    E.g. "All white males are mysoginists"
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    Pete is the statement bigoted even if it is true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN View Post
    Pete is the statement bigoted even if it is true?
    No, what makes a statement bigoted is to say that a person belongs to a certain class of people and that certain class of people is defined by a certain set of characteristics.

    If you want to say that in your opinion Blasio is running the city into the ground, that's one thing.

    But it's another thing altogether to say that he and all liberals are selfish socialists looking for a handout, or are anti-gun, or are un-American or whatever, and that since (in your opinion) Blasio belongs to the 'liberal' class, then he and they are ..... fill in the blanks.

    Most of your statements tend to be blanket condemnations of a certain class of people that you don't happen to like - that's bigoted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    I was using examples of groups of people about which any broad statements would be unsupportable and based only on the speaker's biases.
    E.g. "All white males are misogynists"
    I KNOW that this one is false: we're actually all masochists!

    As a group: we tend to marry while females!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    No, what makes a statement bigoted is to say that a person belongs to a certain class of people and that certain class of people is defined by a certain set of characteristics.

    If you want to say that in your opinion Blasio is running the city into the ground, that's one thing.

    But it's another thing altogether to say that he and all liberals are selfish socialists looking for a handout, or are anti-gun, or are un-American or whatever, and that since (in your opinion) Blasio belongs to the 'liberal' class, then he and they are ..... fill in the blanks.

    Most of your statements tend to be blanket condemnations of a certain class of people that you don't happen to like - that's bigoted.
    pete why are you trying to interpret what i say instead of just reading it and taking on face value? it seems you are
    much more bigoted or opinionated then you allow others to be.
    deblasio is liberal, not an opinion, he rents his house out for top dollar and does not donate any of his properties
    to allow the poor or homeless to stay in. as mayor of ny he did give a $100k grant to a woman who runs an organization that IS anti american and her family Does have ties to hamas and family members have been arrested for it. If you lived in ny you would know of many many other things he has done for personal gain and of little concern to the working class and he is also very hated by nypd and fdny as he has offended them many times. Please tell me of what i have said is bigoted, racist or opinionated in any way.
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    Al,
    It might help if you listed some of the sources for your information...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN View Post
    pete why are you trying to interpret what i say instead of just reading it and taking on face value? it seems you are much more bigoted or opinionated then you allow others to be. deblasio is liberal, not an opinion, he rents his house out for top dollar and does not donate any of his properties to allow the poor or homeless to stay in. he did give a $100k grant to a woman who runs an organization that IS anti american and her family Does have ties to hamas and family members have been arrested for it. If you lived in ny you would know of many many other things he has done for personal gain and of little concern to the working class and he is also very hated by nypd and fdny as he has offended them many times. Please tell me of what i have said is bigoted, racist or opinionated in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahPete View Post
    I quit. As a wise man once said;

    I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
    try being a wise man and you might

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    Wow! Still not shutdown, way off topic, but still going! Amazing.
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    I have a question:
    If I take the headache that this thread has given me to a Doctor in Canada: is he going to slap me on the back, and hand me a couple of aspirins?
    Or will he do what they do down here?
    Draw blood for lab tests...
    Call in another Doctor...
    Who calls in a Specialist!
    Who then orders a PET scan, CAT scan, termite scan, and a financial scan!
    After Six weeks of tests, and time off from work: they'll THEN give you a prescription for a pain-killer that your insurance won't pay for!
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