Doctors in Canada think they make too much and others make too little

**UtahPete** · 03-08-2018, 08:53 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1

What do you think about this? Shouldn't be too controversial, right?

**kep-up** · 03-08-2018, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by UtahPete

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...nl_most&wpmm=1

What do you think about this? Shouldn't be too controversial, right?

And this is the health care system the US should emulate???

**UtahPete** · 03-08-2018, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by kep-up

And this is the health care system the US should emulate???

Did I say that? I don't think we should emulate anyone else's system. I think we need a uniquely American solution to the looming disaster.

**canamjhb** · 03-08-2018, 11:09 PM

The government sets the salaries of doctors.......? HMMMMMM

**wyliec** · 03-09-2018, 06:55 AM

My dr. once told me, if you want to control the cost of health insurance you need to start at the top of the food chain, the healthcare insurance company execs. He told me his yearly income and his neighbor's income who was an exec for a healthcare ins. co. I told him he needed to be an exec, and not a dr.

UP knowing what I know of you, you'll probably tell me this was not what you were looking for.

**SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN** · 03-09-2018, 07:54 AM

Dr. salaries should be regulated

**Bob Denman** · 03-09-2018, 07:59 AM

The nightmare that is our healthcare system will not be fixed until:
1. Tort reform is enacted.
2. Pharmaceutical Companies are actually forced to compete for our dollars
3. Ditto for the health insurance Companies
4. The paperwork and procedures necessary to comply with regulations is streamlined

And you thought that School Safety was tough??

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by wyliec

My dr. once told me, if you want to control the cost of health insurance you need to start at the top of the food chain, the healthcare insurance company execs. He told me his yearly income and his neighbor's income who was an exec for a healthcare ins. co. I told him he needed to be an exec, and not a dr.

UP knowing what I know of you, you'll probably tell me this was not what you were looking for.

I'm not looking for anything other than an intelligent discussion.

**Gordy** · 03-09-2018, 11:47 AM

i find this hard to believe

**kep-up** · 03-09-2018, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN

Dr. salaries should be regulated

Is YOUR salary regulated? If so, by whom?

How about regulating everything in America?

Then our country could be known as the USSSA. (United Soviet Socialist States of America, for those of us who are a bit challenged)

C'mon people, let's not get stupid, waddaya think?!

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by kep-up

Is YOUR salary regulated? If so, by whom? How about regulating everything in America? Then our country could be known as the USSSA. (United Soviet Socialist States of America, for those of us who are a bit challenged) C'mon people, let's not get stupid, waddaya think?!

I'm a libertarian in many ways and would like no limits on my freedoms. But, I'm also realistic and recognize that our country would not have many of the things that I enjoy, and would be a very unsafe, hostile place if the government had not placed some restrictions on individual freedom in order to create a better society for us all.

So, I think we are going to have to accept some more restrictions on our individual freedoms in order to solve the health care crisis in this country. The question is - what does that look like?

**wyliec** · 03-09-2018, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by UtahPete

I'm a libertarian in many ways and would like no limits on my freedoms. But, I'm also realistic and recognize that our country would not have many of the things that I enjoy, and would be a very unsafe, hostile place if the government had not placed some restrictions on individual freedom in order to create a better society for us all.

So, I think we are going to have to accept some more restrictions on our individual freedoms in order to solve the health care crisis in this country. The question is - what does that look like?

I'm sorry, that went over my head. I understood Bob's answer perfectly well. If you care to dumb it down for me, I'm all ears. Please don't mention the opiod crisis.

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by wyliec

I'm sorry, that went over my head. I understood Bob's answer perfectly well. If you care to dumb it down for me, I'm all ears. Please don't mention the opiod crisis.

Without limits on individual freedoms there would be no civil society. Laws & Regulations, for better or worse and whether we agree with them or not, are government's way of trying to protecting the greater public from the abusive exercise of freedoms by others, including businesses, individuals and other government agencies. In other words, there is no way to solve society's problems (i.e. protect the greater good) without limiting someone's freedoms.

We all accept limits on where and how we drive in order to create an orderly flow of traffic for the safety and protection of society as a whole. The same is going to be true about resolving the chaotic healthcare delivery and payment system in this country. The profiteers are going to have to be reined in by government. Pure and simple. Individuals have 'freedoms' but lack the power to shop around or negotiate for affordable health care in the way we do most other services.

**Malathion** · 03-09-2018, 04:25 PM

We can argue freedom or socialism forever, this is a moral decision. I commend them for their balanced position in light of a larger problem. One must always remember no form of government will succeed without moral underpinnings.

**wyliec** · 03-09-2018, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by UtahPete

The profiteers are going to have to be reined in by government. Pure and simple. Individuals have 'freedoms' but lack the power to shop around or negotiate for affordable health care in the way we do most other services.

I got rid of all the extraneous b.s. Now I understand and agree.

**SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN** · 03-09-2018, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by kep-up

Is YOUR salary regulated? If so, by whom?

How about regulating everything in America?

Then our country could be known as the USSSA. (United Soviet Socialist States of America, for those of us who are a bit challenged)

C'mon people, let's not get stupid, waddaya think?!

i'm pretty sure mcdonald's sets/regulates the price on the happy meal, tempurpedic regulates the price of their
mattress, pharma bro got in trouble when he jumped the price on the epipen, gasonline is regulated on price, didn't
trump put tariffs today on steel & aluminum to help regulate the price for u.s. production and not have china dump
it on us at a lower price. i'm not sure if others have heard of minimum wage which is run by the government.
has anyone paid $100 for a car inspection, if not i will bet the price of that sticker is regulated.

**wyliec** · 03-09-2018, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN

i'm pretty sure mcdonald's sets/regulates the price on the happy meal, tempurpedic regulates the price of their
mattress, pharma bro got in trouble when he jumped the price on the epipen, gasonline is regulated on price, didn't
trump put tariffs today on steel & aluminum to help regulate the price for u.s. production and not have china dump
it on us at a lower price. i'm not sure if others have heard of minimum wage which is run by the government.
has anyone paid $100 for a car inspection, if not i will bet the price of that sticker is regulated.

I don't believe all of the items you mentioned are regulated by the gov't. I believe kep-up may have been talking about gov't regulation. So, you're left with minimum wage, and inspection stickers. As for minimum wage, if you want to earn more, get a different job; so, your wages are not regulated by the gov't, but by you The drs. in Canada are pretty much limited to what the gov't agency that oversees their skill decides.

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Malathion

We can argue freedom or socialism forever, this is a moral decision. I commend them for their balanced position in light of a larger problem. One must always remember no form of government will succeed without moral underpinnings.

And no government in an advanced society can succeed based on moral persuasion (i.e. peer pressure) alone. Hence rules, regulations and laws to express the will of a majority of the people.

All we can hope for is fairness; not everyone will be pleased or satisfied with the outcome, but we do have a system that can change. Most times for the better.

**Holly** · 03-09-2018, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by UtahPete

I'm a libertarian in many ways and would like no limits on my freedoms. But, I'm also realistic and recognize that our country would not have many of the things that I enjoy, and would be a very unsafe, hostile place if the government had not placed some restrictions on individual freedom in order to create a better society for us all.

So, I think we are going to have to accept some more restrictions on our individual freedoms in order to solve the health care crisis in this country. The question is - what does that look like?

Well the government puts restrictions on how many wives you can have, but it doesn't stop those fine outstanding citizens that live in Utah.

My point is, law breakers don't abide by restrictions no matter the subject matter is.

**vided** · 03-09-2018, 06:00 PM

lib·er·tar·i·an·ism
ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/
noun

an extreme laissez-faire political philosophy advocating only minimal state intervention in the lives of citizens.

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**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by vided

lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun
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This should be the operating philosophy of Homeowner Associations, but they're in fact the worst of tyrannical governments in my experience.

**vided** · 03-09-2018, 06:20 PM

You boasted "I'm a libertarian". Then you criticize libertarianism.

**Bob Denman** · 03-09-2018, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Holly

Well the government puts restrictions on how many wives you can have, but it doesn't stop those fine outstanding citizens that live in Utah.

Any person that wants to have more than one Spouse, is much tougher than I am!

I have enough trouble handling just one of them!

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by vided

You boasted "I'm a libertarian". Then you criticize libertarianism.

No, I didn't. I said;

I'm a libertarian in many ways and would like no limits on my freedoms. But, I'm also realistic and recognize that our country would not have many of the things that I enjoy, and would be a very unsafe, hostile place if the government had not placed some restrictions on individual freedom in order to create a better society for us all.

**UtahPete** · 03-09-2018, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Holly

Well the government puts restrictions on how many wives you can have, but it doesn't stop those fine outstanding citizens that live in Utah.

My point is, law breakers don't abide by restrictions no matter the subject matter is.

Holly, you just demonstrated your complete lack of respect for the truth. And, your point is moot.

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