Companies dumping the NRA

[RinconRyder]

yes and that worked out well my insurance went from 900 month for 2 with 500 ded. To a bargain of 1400 and 7500 each ded so only 30,000 per year before I collect the first dime ,the young and poor were better off paying the fine and they still walked into the ER and got care the hospitals had to loose out on
so much for the pool therory

the state of oregon paid 500,000 to build ACA website sign up page that never signed up 1 person

less government please

By your writing it is easy to see where our gubmint failed you. Please learn to write before posting!

But then, it must be hell to be a radical right winger living in a place like OR. Total frustration.

[r1100rider]

And if the media weren't publicizing the story you would be criticizing them for not doing so.

There is a very fine line between reporting a story and publicizing an event for personal gain.

Not so I agree with not giving these nuts air time I wouldn't criticize for that

[UtahPete]

In fact, there are already insurance policies which do have optional exclusions for things like maternity, birth control and certain elective surgery procedures. Don't want to pay for the policy that automatically covers those? Simple, find a policy that doesn't.

But recognize that an insurance pool is viable only if it contains more people that do not take benefits than do. In other words, if the risk of providing certain benefits is too great the pool will collapse by paying out more in benefits than it takes in. Generally speaking, the more enrollees you have in any plan the lower the premiums for everyone.

Your posts are logical and reasoned and fact-based. His are just a regurgitation of NRA dogma. Reason will never win over emotion unfortunately, and that's what is wrong with our whole country right now. The inmates think they're running the asylum.

[r1100rider]

By your writing it is easy to see where our gubmint failed you. Please learn to write before posting!

But then, it must be hell to be a radical right winger living in a place like OR. Total frustration.

Not so life is good I was just showing the facts of what happens when the government "fixes something " insurance become un affordable it has nothing to do with right or left just what happened insults dont change reality,I'm not frustrated with life at all I just open my eyes to what's going on

[UtahPete]

Not so life is good I was just showing the facts of what happens when the government "fixes something " insurance become un affordable it has nothing to do with right or left just what happened insults dont change reality,I'm not frustrated with life at all I just open my eyes to what's going on

Somebody failed you big time.

[r1100rider]

In fact, there are already insurance policies which do have optional exclusions for things like maternity, birth control and certain elective surgery procedures. Don't want to pay for the policy that automatically covers those? Simple, find a policy that doesn't.

But recognize that an insurance pool is viable only if it contains more people that do not take benefits than do. In other words, if the risk of providing certain benefits is too great the pool will collapse by paying out more in benefits than it takes in. Generally speaking, the more enrollees you have in any plan the lower the premiums for everyone.

That would be nice but the ACA put all the competition in insurance out of business and left us with 2 choices ,the exclusions you mention are not true they are required parts to qualify as per ACA rules

[r1100rider]

Somebody failed you big time.

More insults ?

[JerryB]

Hi RinconRyder,

Re: click on Snopes.com for a discussion

You ask too much of the old dinosaurs on here.

I agree with every post you have written on many subjects. It is too bad that too many people have failed to keep up with the changing world.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) I've been pro-abortion upon demand ever since I first learned was it was; about 1957 or so.

[ES44AC]

It must really suck to be you. Afraid of not going out in public without your firearm. You would think from your explanation you lived in Botswana or some other third world country. Wait......perhaps you are correct and NC is already a third world country. That is sure what it sounds like.

My ex-father in law lived in VA and never went for a bike ride without his handgun strapped to his handlebars. It must really suck to live in such a place. I'm sure glad I don't.

I'm glad you don't live here too.

[vided]

A trifecta of smug elitist bs.
How quaint

[Holly]

More insults ?

Don't let them get to you when they throw out insults, that just means they have no argument. They can't help it. It could a defect from birth or bad parenting when they were a child. I'm not sure? They base everything on feelings instead of facts and have taught these young kids to do the same.

I'll throw out a few facts for them and watch how they curl up in a fetal position and melt like snowflakes on a warm spring day.

Most of these killings are from people that are aligned with one political party.
9 out of 10 ghettos in the USA are run by one political party.
100% of mayors that inform illegals that Ice is coming are from one political party.
Cities that are now promoting voter fraud are from one political party. (Chicago's new id for illegals)
California is voted dead last on a recent quality of life survey and is run by one political party.
The highest tax states are run by one political party.
Sanctuary cities that protect illegals over citizens are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest crime rates are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest gun violence are all run by one political party.


GEEZ...... I wonder what could be our country's problem ?

[UtahPete]

Don't let them get to you when they throw out insults, that just means they have no argument. They can't help it. It could a defect from birth or bad parenting when they were a child. I'm not sure? They base everything on feelings instead of facts and have taught these young kids to do the same.

I'll throw out a few facts for them and watch how they curl up in a fetal position and melt like snowflakes on a warm spring day.

Most of these killings are from people that are aligned with one political party.
9 out of 10 ghettos in the USA are run by one political party.
100% of mayors that inform illegals that Ice is coming are from one political party.
Cities that are now promoting voter fraud are from one political party. (Chicago's new id for illegals)
California is voted dead last on a recent quality of life survey and is run by one political party.
The highest tax states are run by one political party.
Sanctuary cities that protect illegals over citizens are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest crime rates are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest gun violence are all run by one political party.


GEEZ...... I wonder what could be our country's problem ?

Biased, partisan political opinions masquerading as facts. BTW, this snowflake doesn't melt or run from a good argument. However, this thread has run its course.

[Bob Denman]

Pete,
I agree with you. Let's pull the plug on this thread, and get back to arguing about helmets.
Or tires...
Or oil...
Or speed limits...
Or ...

[Trickie Dick]

[RinconRyder]

most people are just wanting it to be known that there would be a possibility of armed resistance instead of the opposite "gun free inside here come on in and shoot away" the possibility of a bullet coming back would stop 90% in the first place the fact that these all seem to happen in gun free zones bears this out, most people aren't asking for mandatory 2 pistols on everyone

Let's see.....I am a former school student so I know exactly where the School Resource Officer hangs out and what his firearm is. I have an AR-15 facing his puny Glock so I am confident if I should run into him it won't be a fair fight. If I thought about this rationally I would know that eventually the police will respond in force and I will either be captured or killed.

You are assuming these shooters are sane and thinking. Untrue. They are not sane and have a perverted view of the situation. The threat of a single LEO with a handgun is not going to deter most of them, if any. After all, they have thought about the attack for a long time and are convinced either they can eliminate any opposition, get away or they expect to die in the process. Very dangerous people.

[RinconRyder]

The point that you made; is that you aren't particularly truthful...

In exactly what respect?

[RinconRyder]

Not so I agree with not giving these nuts air time I wouldn't criticize for that

Then you are an exception because from other posts here and elsewhere it is evident people expect the media to report accurate facts and you cannot do that if you do not name names.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

That would be nice but the ACA put all the competition in insurance out of business and left us with 2 choices ,the exclusions you mention are not true they are required parts to qualify as per ACA rules

That's the way the insurance companies wanted it. The O administration knew single payer didn't stand a snowball's chance in Hades so in order to get whatever they could they enlisted the insurance companies' help. The insurance industry pretty much wrote the ACA.

[RinconRyder]

Not so life is good I was just showing the facts of what happens when the government "fixes something " insurance become un affordable it has nothing to do with right or left just what happened insults dont change reality,I'm not frustrated with life at all I just open my eyes to what's going on

The gubmint implemented a solution to the "I'm not able to find affordable health insurance" problem. It isn't perfect but it does provide a means to buy a policy if you have health issues that would eliminate you from most commercial sources. You do not have to enroll in ACA and are free to find a commercial policy that fits you better.

If the USA were perfect we would have cradle to grave insurance for every citizen - but then you and others would bitch about the cost (see Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Canada and Germany for examples). No system is perfect and the cost is what it is and it isn't what we used to call cheap. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

You want cheap health insurance? Support programs that teach kids how to eat, get enough exercise, watch their weight and avoid alcohol, drugs and tobacco. In 60 years those premiums will drop significantly.

[RinconRyder]

That would be nice but the ACA put all the competition in insurance out of business and left us with 2 choices ,the exclusions you mention are not true they are required parts to qualify as per ACA rules

Then why do I still have health insurance?

Insurance companies, like other businesses, always compare the cost of doing business with potential profits. If they abandon the market it is because they feel they can't make sufficient revenue from it. I am not a health insurance expert but I seriously doubt your statement about choices.

[RinconRyder]

I'm glad you don't live here too.

The happiest day of my life was seeing VA in my rear view mirror.

[RinconRyder]

Don't let them get to you when they throw out insults, that just means they have no argument. They can't help it. It could a defect from birth or bad parenting when they were a child. I'm not sure? They base everything on feelings instead of facts and have taught these young kids to do the same.

I'll throw out a few facts for them and watch how they curl up in a fetal position and melt like snowflakes on a warm spring day.

Most of these killings are from people that are aligned with one political party.
9 out of 10 ghettos in the USA are run by one political party.
100% of mayors that inform illegals that Ice is coming are from one political party.
Cities that are now promoting voter fraud are from one political party. (Chicago's new id for illegals)
California is voted dead last on a recent quality of life survey and is run by one political party.
The highest tax states are run by one political party.
Sanctuary cities that protect illegals over citizens are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest crime rates are all run by one political party.
Cities with the highest gun violence are all run by one political party.


GEEZ...... I wonder what could be our country's problem ?

I could respond to your list but it is like arguing with a pig. I'd get all dirty and it would not change your mind. So go live in your fantasy world and believe what you want.

[JerryB]

Hi RinconRyder,

Re: but I seriously doubt your statement about choices.

So do I, and I live in Oregon also.

And my 95 yr old mother does not get her health insurance from the ACA. She also has choices.

You see, the real problem is with the facts.

Jerry Baumchen

[RinconRyder]

That's the way the insurance companies wanted it. The O administration knew single payer didn't stand a snowball's chance in Hades so in order to get whatever they could they enlisted the insurance companies' help. The insurance industry pretty much wrote the ACA.

Bear in mind that it was the Republican controlled Congress who resisted every attempt at writing a good final product. Don't blame ***** for settling for what he could get. ACA, if a disaster, is a Republican disaster.

[UtahPete]

I could respond to your list but it is like arguing with a pig. I'd get all dirty and it would not change your mind. So go live in your fantasy world and believe what you want.

"The problem with mud-wrestling a pig is that you both get dirty but only the pig enjoys it" ....