Flag and National Anthem protests

[wyliec]

Is this somehow relevant to the conversation? I don't get it.

I think we've made it past relevancy.

[wyliec]

Thank you for all who laid out their piece. Just remember this quote from a famous person.

"Tell me where you've been and I will tell you who you are"

I figured it out.

If you've been on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, you are the Commander-In-Tweet.

[ARtraveler]

It would appear that anything said by anybody is not going to change anyone's mind. People have their opinions, and that is what they are. All that has been accomplished is the usual infighting by factions. It is obvious that the political divide has shown its ugly head.

I repeat: Another fire storm that will never be solved in this forum.

No further comments.

[UtahPete]

It would appear that anything said by anybody is not going to change anyone's mind. People have their opinions, and that is what they are. All that has been accomplished is the usual infighting by factions. It is obvious that the political divide has shown its ugly head. I repeat: Another fire storm that will never be solved in this forum. No further comments.

That's all this type of thread is supposed to be; a place to express opinions. Given the number of members on this forum, should we ever expect there won't be differences of opinion? I think it's an interesting exchange of opinions, some informed and some not. I didn't think we would 'solve' anything, if by solving you mean come to a common understanding and agreement on an issue. Right?

[Rogue Hawk]

Hi Rogue Hawk,

Re: the owners can censor whatever they wish and it's lawful.

I rather doubt that. In another forum, someone posted about the player's union allowing them their free speech rights.

Earlier today I read where ( apparently ) Jerry Jones, who owns the Cowboys, said he will fire any player who takes a knee. This after he took a knee last week.

Does even one person on here think he will actually fire a player for taking a knee?

Reminds me of the old saying about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Jerry Baumchen

Jerry Jones is trying to have it both ways. He found out how much he really pissed off the fans. Its the fans that pay him and his players.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i really don't care what the players, owners or others do. i'm not watching, i'm not attending. i have netflix, porn & a spyder to take
up my time and not get me pissed off.

[pitzerwm]

So your right to free speech ends because you make a lot of money doing something you are skilled at and maybe you also got lucky?

You really need to take a civics 101 class.

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i hope the entire Dallas Cowboys team takes a knee and tells Jerry Jones to take a flying leap.

We all have freedom of speech and agree that we all should have it . Even stupid people have it. Most intelligent people temper their freedom of speech, with common sense. If your thoughts differ from one of your customers or clients or bosses, it's pretty much common sense, keep it to yourself. Rarely are you put into a situation where you have to violate your principles over it.

Here is something about freedom of speech that puzzles me. It's people that put the sign of the fish on their business cards. No one with a brain (IMO) would put on their business card "I'm a Republican/Democrat". So why would you put the sign of the fish? Since, I have been screwed in business a number of times by people that claimed to "be a good christian", If I see the sign of the fish or they answer the phone with "God bless you", I'm walking, my freedom of speech. The only flag that I wave is the American flag.

[JerryB]

Hi Rogue Hawk,

Re: Its the fans that pay him and his players.

Based upon what I have read over the last 15 yrs or so; it is the TV contracts that pay him/them far more than any warm seats in the those stadiums.

Jerry Baumchen

[Pirate looks at --]

i really don't care what the players, owners or others do. i'm not watching, i'm not attending. i have netflix, porn & a spyder to take
up my time and not get me pissed off.

So what are you going to do when the porn stars take a knee????? Will you lower the flag to half mast????? Or raise it high and proud???

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

So what are you going to do when the porn stars take a knee????? Will you lower the flag to half mast????? Or raise it high and proud???

i think the porn stars are always on their knees & the guys on film and those who watch are always saluting.

[Bob Denman]

When the Porn Stars "take a knee": that's when the action becomes the most entertaining!

[wyliec]

When the Porn Stars "take a knee": that's when the action becomes the most entertaining!

You are so 1950's.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

You are so 1950's.

And if the players were 1950's they would be standing.

[wyliec]

And if the players were 1950's they would be standing.

Yep, everyone knew their place in the 1950's. Yes boss.

[Bob Denman]

And if the players were 1950's they would be standing.

Al,
You're not even 1950's; are you?

[wyliec]

We've really come full circle on this thread, which is fine.

[Bob Denman]

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Al,
You're not even 1950's; are you?

well i watch mash, leave it to beaver, just watched the original thing so that makes me sort of '50's & i watch happy days and
american graffiti.

[Bob Denman]

"Happy Days", and "American Graffiti"; would make you 1970's...

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

"Happy Days", and "American Graffiti"; would make you 1970's...

made in 70's, based on the '50's

[Bob Denman]

You're getting pretty deep into "Temporal Mechanics" right now...

...and I can't get two clocks in my house, to read the same time!

[Larryjn]

so am i free to yell out "hey n***er get off your knee and show some respect" without any fear of reprisal from fans, players or
stadium?

As an American Veteran and a Black American, who family have been in all branches of the armed forces of the country (not Coast Guard), and a few who have gave their life in service of this country and we are still called "N" by some of you. Why? I will defend the right of KKK, Nazis, and others to protest. I may not agree with them but I will support their rights to do so. (Hoping that others will see that their message is wrong.) As to the protest in the NFL, it never was or has been about the flag, anthem or the Veterans, (those who don't want to talk about the real issue of why has convince many it is about the flag, anthem and Veterans, which it is not.) it is about the way Americans have treated African Americans, the Justice system, and how some police officers, not all (my neighbor is an officer of the law and we get along very well) are allowed to just get away with murder, lying (Falsely accusing) and abuse of people. No matter their race. Most of you don't really care and to some of you it is OK. if that is the fact than say so, but don't hide behind the flag or the anthem (which most of you don't even know the words to it and what it really means). I still don't see how the Veterans got added to the mix. Most of you people don't really give a s**t about us Veterans. you talk a good game, but were you willing to sent your kids off, when the country was at war? Did you go? When members of my family and I raise our right hand we Pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, to ensure all of it people rights are protected not some but all. With this said I will defend your Right to say and use the N word because I know that is how you feel about American who are not of you color. I hope you can educate yourselves on the history of this country and rights you have that came so easy for you.

Your post with the N word really sadden me. As Mr R. King had said, "Can We All Just Get Along", I pray we can.

I have seen many changes in my life, I hope this will change before I move on.

[wyliec]

As an American Veteran and a Black American, who family have been in all branches of the armed forces of the country (not Coast Guard), and a few who have gave their life in service of this country and we are still called "N" by some of you. Why? I will defend the right of KKK, Nazis, and others to protest. I may not agree with them but I will support their rights to do so. (Hoping that others will see that their message is wrong.) As to the protest in the NFL, it never was or has been about the flag, anthem or the Veterans, (those who don't want to talk about the real issue of why has convince many it is about the flag, anthem and Veterans, which it is not.) it is about the way Americans have treated African Americans, the Justice system, and how some police officers, not all (my neighbor is an officer of the law and we get along very well) are allowed to just get away with murder, lying (Falsely accusing) and abuse of people. No matter their race. Most of you don't really care and to some of you it is OK. if that is the fact than say so, but don't hide behind the flag or the anthem (which most of you don't even know the words to it and what it really means). I still don't see how the Veterans got added to the mix. Most of you people don't really give a s**t about us Veterans. you talk a good game, but were you willing to sent your kids off, when the country was at war? Did you go? When members of my family and I raise our right hand we Pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, to ensure all of it people rights are protected not some but all. With this said I will defend your Right to say and use the N word because I know that is how you feel about American who are not of you color. I hope you can educate yourselves on the history of this country and rights you have that came so easy for you.

Your post with the N word really sadden me. As Mr R. King had said, "Can We All Just Get Along", I pray we can.

I have seen many changes in my life, I hope this will change before I move on.

Do you actually know the ethnicity of Spectacular Spiderman? Are you saying you are better than non-veterans?

I don't think it is any of your business if someone sent their child off to war, or if any member here went. You are way more inflammatory than Spectacular Spiderman.

[UtahPete]

Do you actually know the ethnicity of Spectacular Spiderman? Are you saying you are better than non-veterans? I don't think it is any of your business if someone sent their child off to war, or if any member here went. You are way more inflammatory than Spectacular Spiderman.

WylieC, I don't think he was saying that. Let's not allow this conversation to become one of personal attacks please.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

As an American Veteran and a Black American, who family have been in all branches of the armed forces of the country (not Coast Guard), and a few who have gave their life in service of this country and we are still called "N" by some of you. Why? I will defend the right of KKK, Nazis, and others to protest. I may not agree with them but I will support their rights to do so. (Hoping that others will see that their message is wrong.) As to the protest in the NFL, it never was or has been about the flag, anthem or the Veterans, (those who don't want to talk about the real issue of why has convince many it is about the flag, anthem and Veterans, which it is not.) it is about the way Americans have treated African Americans, the Justice system, and how some police officers, not all (my neighbor is an officer of the law and we get along very well) are allowed to just get away with murder, lying (Falsely accusing) and abuse of people. No matter their race. Most of you don't really care and to some of you it is OK. if that is the fact than say so, but don't hide behind the flag or the anthem (which most of you don't even know the words to it and what it really means). I still don't see how the Veterans got added to the mix. Most of you people don't really give a s**t about us Veterans. you talk a good game, but were you willing to sent your kids off, when the country was at war? Did you go? When members of my family and I raise our right hand we Pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States, to ensure all of it people rights are protected not some but all. With this said I will defend your Right to say and use the N word because I know that is how you feel about American who are not of you color. I hope you can educate yourselves on the history of this country and rights you have that came so easy for you.

Your post with the N word really sadden me. As Mr R. King had said, "Can We All Just Get Along", I pray we can.

I have seen many changes in my life, I hope this will change before I move on.

perhaps you missed the point of my post, if those players are allowed to do something i and apparently many others find despicable
as americans yet they are protected in doing so then would i not too be allowed to do something under the same first amendment
right?
i find what they are doing is showing no respect to the NATIONAL ANTHEM, something that represents this country and is one of the
few things that can bring all americans & future americans together for a brief time. as for the protest not being about the anthem,
flag or veterans then perhaps their protest should be done at a different time of the game not during the anthem.
p.s. i am native american & african american & i am white, WHO CARES!!