Is The Opioid Crisis The Government's Responsibility?

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If you want to do drugs fine, but if your drug use hurts others.........
we all know cousin marrying like in islam produces certain birth defects, in pakistan it is common & ~30% of those have
severe problems but it is their country to do as they like, over here we would be paying with our tax dollars to support the
children for the rest of their lives.
everything is choice & consequence but the only way to prevent is for the individual to pay not society.

are any of you aware on judge judy when she berates someone for whatever and screams "you idiot you are going to pay"
she is lying since she knows the show will pay and pays the defendant for appearing. how can anyone learn from this?
back to the point, true freedomw is taking responsibility for your personal actions and accepting it.

please tell me that you DON'T watch Judge Judy!

[Bob Denman]

Lamont the site administrator has told us no political or religious posts.

So this entire post is illegal, according to the title? Thats too bad, this is nice civil discussion with spyder riders respecting each others views.

It's not necessarily illegal: not until opinions about which Religion is the only right one (), start getting in the way of any rational discussion.
This discussion isn't actually about Religion anyway; although using it as a way to combat addiction is certainly a worthwhile and laudable effort!

[JerryB]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: We are a Christian nation

The USA is not a Christian nation. I have been a citizen my entire life. I am a 100% committed atheist.

To each his own.

Jerry Baumchen

[wyliec]

It's not necessarily illegal: not until opinions about which Religion is the only right one (), start getting in the way of any rational discussion.
This discussion isn't actually about Religion anyway; although using it as a way to combat addiction is certainly a worthwhile and laudable effort!

I stand corrected.

[Rob Rodriguez]

Its not a mistake, God and His natural moral law is the 100 percent perfect solution to question of those post. Why would you not want to use this approach to solve this problem? This is easy to say and do if we all live in utopia.

We are a Christian nation, holding fast to this rock is what keeps us strong and united. Is it the government's responsibility? Yes, because we are the government, a government that removes poison, not legalizing it and especially not profiting from a disease.The government and religion should not be mixed with each other. Their only similarity is that its a way for a smaller group of people to control a larger group of people. If you think people and entities (governments and religions) are not profiting greatly now from the worlds diseases in many ways then you may want to take a closer look. According to the United States constitution we welcome all religions.

Don't cave in making excuses, help fight it. Maybe its not only the addicts that need to engage their bootstraps, but also those who are standing on the sidelines watching while their fellow brothers and sisters are lost. Some people like to be lost and have no interest in being found.

[Schwingel9]

It's not necessarily illegal: not until opinions about which Religion is the only right one (), start getting in the way of any rational discussion.
This discussion isn't actually about Religion anyway; although using it as a way to combat addiction is certainly a worthwhile and laudable effort!

This post is about politics and morality though. I agree, one should never put down another's relgion, but to remove all thought of God when discussing these matters, because a person might say something offending
Seems a bit overbearing and keeps the discussion mundane and one-sided.

[Bob Denman]

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Nobody has mentioned Politics...
And morality is certainly not a topic to ban.

The only reason that Politics and Religion aren't supposed to be discussed (IMHO!), is that the discussions often turn into mud-slinging arguments over who's is best...

None of that is happening here!

[Schwingel9]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: We are a Christian nation

The USA is not a Christian nation. I have been a citizen my entire life. I am a 100% committed atheist.

To each his own.

Jerry Baumchen

I agree we have freedom to choose or not to choose God, that is your God given right and civic right to choose or not to God. But, this nation is founded under God, because people say they do not believe in Him does not mean He does not exist or that this nation is not a theist nation.

Example, a straight person walks in a gay bar, full of gay people. Is the bar now a straight bar, or a gay bar with a straight person?

[Rob Rodriguez]

I agree we have freedom to choose or not to choose God, that is your God given right and civic right to choose or not to God. But, this nation is founded under God, because people say they do not believe in Him does not mean He does not exist or that this nation is not a theist nation.

Example, a straight person walks in a gay bar, full of gay people. Is the bar now a straight bar, or a gay bar with a straight person?

The bar is a bar and people with different belief's and lifestyles are at that bar.

The USA is the USA and people with different beliefs and lifestyles live in the USA.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Bob Denman]

Example, a straight person walks in a gay bar, full of gay people. Is the bar now a straight bar, or a gay bar with a straight person?

I'll need a drink, before I try to answer that question!


JerryB,
We may not be a "Christian Nation"; but our origin is certainly based upon Judaeo-Christian values.

[Schwingel9]

Its not a mistake, God and His natural moral law is the 100 percent perfect solution to question of those post. Why would you not want to use this approach to solve this problem? This is easy to say and do if we all live in utopia.

We are a Christian nation, holding fast to this rock is what keeps us strong and united. Is it the government's responsibility? Yes, because we are the government, a government that removes poison, not legalizing it and especially not profiting from a disease.The government and religion should not be mixed with each other. Their only similarity is that its a way for a smaller group of people to control a larger group of people. If you think people and entities (governments and religions) are not profiting greatly now from the worlds diseases in many ways then you may want to take a closer look. According to the United States constitution we welcome all religions.

Don't cave in making excuses, help fight it. Maybe its not only the addicts that need to engage their bootstraps, but also those who are standing on the sidelines watching while their fellow brothers and sisters are lost. Some people like to be lost and have no interest in being found.

I agree we are a nation that welcomes all relgions, worshipping God accordingly. There is not one state religion. We have the freedom of God and the government does not have the power to change it to a nation from God.

[Schwingel9]

The bar is a bar and people with different belief's and lifestyles are at that bar.

The USA is the USA and people with different beliefs and lifestyles live in the USA.

Nothing more, nothing less.

A nation with the majority of its founders theists and a majority of people chrisian. But yet welcoming everyone.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

please tell me that you DON'T watch Judge Judy!

I watch her show to see how many times i can catch her lying, showing that she is not as smart as she thinks or i am
just that much smarter then her.

But back to the point of the post, I don't want your habits to adversely affect me or those i care about.

[JerryB]

Hi Bob,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

Show me were those words are used in Constitution & I'll sort of agree.

I'm waiting . . . . . .

Jerry Baumchen

[Bob Denman]

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I actually prefer that you NOT agree... it would spoil the fun!

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[Schwingel9]

Hi Bob,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

Show me were those words are used in Constitution & I'll sort of agree.

I'm waiting . . . . . .

Jerry Baumchen

Actually,
The Declaration of Independence; The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783, and the Constitution give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation.

[wyliec]

Thomas Jefferson (author of the Constitution) was an atheist.

How about we get back on track of what the OP originally asked.

John Adams also stated the gov't of the U.S. was not founded in the Christian religion.

[Schwingel9]

Thomas Jefferson was an atheist.

How about we get back on track of what the OP originally asked.

John Adams also stated the gov't of the U.S. was not founded in the Christian religion.

Yes unfortunately there are a few Judas in ever bunch. But,
Alexander Hamilton, Noah Webster, John Jay, William Findley, Rufus King, and James Wilson. All attested to the fact that "the laws of nature and of nature's God" refer to laws given by God Himself. John Quincy Adams stated that the phrase assumes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong.

[loisk]

If this post keeps going down the religion route - it will be stopped, and rightly so according to the rules of the forum. This is not the place to proselytise

[Schwingel9]

If this post keeps going down the religion route - it will be stopped, and rightly so according to the rules of the forum. This is not the place to proselytise

What post was used to try to convert one from their respected religion? Thanks!

[loisk]

Just please stop with the god given law stuff ... She and her mates have better things to do..

[Rob Rodriguez]

Alexander Hamilton, Noah Webster, John Jay, William Findley, Rufus King, and James Wilson. All attested to the fact that "the laws of nature and of nature's God" refer to laws given by God Himself. John Quincy Adams stated that the phrase assumes the existence of a God, the moral ruler of the universe, and a rule of right and wrong.


It's like everything else. Its how its interpreted by the reader. That's why lawyers exist.

"God" is many different things to many different people.

[JerryB]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

My challenge stands: Show me where those words are used in Constitution

You cannot do it; and neither can Bob Denman.

Re: Actually . . . give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation.

Horse puckey; only in your mind.

Jerry Baumchen

[Schwingel9]

Hi Schwingel9,

Re: Judaeo-Christian values

My challenge stands: Show me where those words are used in Constitution

You cannot do it; and neither can Bob Denman.

Re: Actually . . . give conclusive proof that America is a Christian nation.

Horse puckey; only in your mind.

Jerry Baumchen

I agree that exact phrase is not in there, but that exact phrase does not have to be in there to prove this is a Christian nation. In fact, even if it was in there, those words are merely words. Christianity is not a phrase or a religion, it is a way of life. It is THE WAY. The way in which one sacrifices not the enemies life for their own, but rather ones own life for their enemy's. A way that is self giving in every way, with every thing the person holds dear. Our nation was founded umder that WAY.From the beginning
And still to this day millions of brave men and women sacrifice everthing for their loved ones, people they have never met, and even people who don't like them. For people burning their flag and blaspheming their God, all in hope that their efforts will make this word a better and holy place. There are no atheists in fox holes, in churches, or in missionaries. There is only God and his children, giving proof, and living THE WAY.

[Bob Denman]

Jerry,
If you read the stories in the Bible: you'll actually find two lessons in most of them.
One is for believing, and the other is for living.
I don't care what you do about the believing part: that's completely your choice.
But the lessons for living involve telling folks how they should treat each other, and go about their daily lives.
In my very simple interpretation (I am certainly not a Scholar): I found that you will be following those lessons pretty well, if you treat people kindly, honestly, and fairly.
Do the same in your business dealings also.
That is what I take as Judaeo-Christian values.

It's not much of a stretch; to see a lot of that our Constitution, or Declaration of Independence.

But that's just me.

Now: let's get back to the dying druggies, and put the Bibles back in the Motel Room dresser!