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Really????
What is the recovery rate for drug addicts?
The National Institute on Drug Abuse states that between 40 and 60 percent of recovering drug addicts will eventually relapse. With heroin, those rates are even higher. Some experts place the rate of relapse for heroin addicts as high as 80 percent, which means that the recovery rate may be as low as 20 percent.Aug 24, 2015
I think this thread was about opioids, not coke, weed, etc. I am not sure, but I think that falls under heroin. See second and third sentences above.
Rehab is a BIG business.
Joe T.
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Your data is two years old; are there any more current studies available? 
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just remember blame the government, your parents, your teacher and don't forget to blame god because it is never the individuals
fault or responsibility.
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Sorry but if you want to do drugs and you OD tough crap. 
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Hi Bob,
Re: Addicts CAN make the choice to turn their lives around!
Absolutely nothing in that article supports your statement.
Can some addicts turn their lives around: Of course, they can.
Can all: Of course, not. That is why it is called addiction.
Johnny Carson spent most of his adult life trying to quit smoking; he never could & it cost him his life.
Of the 6-7 billion people on this earth, no two are the same.
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But if they choose to not even try: should we still be so generous?
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 Originally Posted by Bob Denman
But if they choose to not even try: should we still be so generous?
When we stop praying, hoping, believing, and showing mercy for each other, we are nothing more than animals.
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While  : it is also important that people take the necessary steps to try and help themselves...
If there is no cost to them: the results will have no value.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
While : it is also important that people take the necessary steps to try and help themselves...
If there is no cost to them: the results will have no value.
Acts of kindness and love always have value, remove those things and we remove hope. If it only helps one person it is worth it.
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Originally Posted by Schwingel9
Acts of kindness and love always have value, remove those things and we remove hope. If it only helps one person it is worth it.
What about- God helps those that help themselves.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
What about- God helps those that help themselves.
+1
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Originally Posted by wyliec
What about- God helps those that help themselves.
Sorry, but this isn't in the Bible.
https://www.biblegateway.com/blog/20...-in-the-bible/
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Tomorrow is a promissory note.
Today is cash.......spend it wisely.
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Originally Posted by BoilerAnimal
I never said it was in the bible.
How about this one- Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
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Most think that it is. Many addicts don't have any bootstraps left to pull up.
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Yesterday is a cancelled check.
Tomorrow is a promissory note.
Today is cash.......spend it wisely.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
What about- God helps those that help themselves.
By definition God is love, love that our finite minds can't fully understand, yet. So yes, God loves those that do work to love Him and others. But, He searches for His lost sheep more than we can comprehend.
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Originally Posted by BoilerAnimal
Most think that it is. Many addicts don't have any bootstraps left to pull up.
Those looking for a free ride have no bootstraps, and I have no pity. Those who make an attempt, may need some assistance, to get those boots on.
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Originally Posted by Schwingel9
By definition God is love, love that our finite minds can't fully understand, yet. So yes, God loves those that do work to love Him and others. But, He searches for His lost sheep more than we can comprehend.
That was my mistake to use the word God. I don't think we want to get to far into religion, which is where you are headed.
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[QUOTE=BoilerAnimal;128282 Many addicts don't have any bootstraps left to pull up.[/QUOTE]
But that isn't Society's fault: it's their own.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
What about- God helps those that help themselves.
A poetic invention by man to justify not helping the one who seems to make no effort to help himself.
What we're dealing with, IMO, is the age old conflict of compassionate assistance vs. self responsibility. There is no clear answer.
It's akin to the difference between justice and fairness. Pardoning a wrong doer (remember President Nixon) is justice, but it can often violate every sense of fairness we hold onto. The person who has been forgiven for a wrong is put into the position of being subordinate to the forgiver. He has been given something which he cannot reciprocate in kind. Our distaste for being subordinate colors our approach to others. That's why we find it so hard to help those who deserve no help.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
That was my mistake to use the word God. I don't think we want to get to far into religion, which is where you are headed.
Its not a mistake, God and His natural moral law is the 100 percent perfect solution to question of thos post. Why would you not want to use this approach to solve this problem?
We are a Christian nation, holding fast to this rock is what keeps us strong and united. Is it the government's responsibility? Yes, because we are the government, a government that removes poison, not legalizing it and especially not profiting from a disease.
Making more evil does not reduce evil. How many times in anyones life has complying with evil has made things better and caused evil to flee? Never. Evil is never satisfied with only a few, it is all consuming.
Don't cave in making excuses, help fight it. Maybe its not only the addicts that need to engage their bootstraps, but also those who are standing on the sidelines watching while their fellow brothers and sisters are lost.
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Originally Posted by Schwingel9
Its not a mistake, God and His natural moral law is the 100 percent perfect solution to question of thos post. Why would you not want to use this approach to solve this problem?
Lamont the site administrator has told us no political or religious posts.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
Lamont the site administrator has told us no political or religious posts.
So this entire post is illegal, according to the title? Thats too bad, this is nice civil discussion with spyder riders respecting each others views.
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