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 Is The Opioid Crisis The Government's Responsibility?
The wife and I were having this discussion tonight. I really don't want this to be an R vs D thing or political at all. It's just a general question. A simple YES or No will suffice.
BTW ... if you don't know, Narcan cost $1,200 per dose from what I have read and tax payers are footing the bill.
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 Originally Posted by DJFaninTN
The wife and I were having this discussion tonight. I really don't want this to be an R vs D thing or political at all. It's just a general question. A simple YES or No will suffice.
BTW ... if you don't know, Narcan cost $1,200 per dose from what I have read and tax payers are footing the bill.
The cost per dose is also what I first said, and I was promptly corrected that it can be purchased from Amazon for about $25 per dose. I verified...and...yes.
I am guessing the $1,200 is the markup price after an experienced EMT gives it and it is then billed to "whoever" ends up paying for it. Here, an ambulance ride starts at $2,000 and then the "extras" begin.
There was a thread on the subject but I think it got deleted because the rhetoric got pretty nasty on both sides.
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you were correct. that $1200 price is what opioid clinics bill to medicare.
damn you can get everything on Amazon I guess .. lol.
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Originally Posted by DJFaninTN
The wife and I were having this discussion tonight. I really don't want this to be an R vs D thing or political at all. It's just a general question. A simple YES or No will suffice. BTW ... if you don't know, Narcan cost $1,200 per dose from what I have read and taxpayers are footing the bill.
There you go - stirring up trouble again!
Yes, there was a thread on this, since deleted just when it was getting interesting. That was about a municipal government elected official who was suggesting a 'three strikes, we won't pay for it anymore' approach to limiting their government's cost (to the taxpayer) of repeatedly 'saving' drug addicts from their overdose. The $1200 or whatever was the fully loaded cost of an emergency response team delivering the dose, not the cost of the drug itself.
My vote at that time was to do as the city councilor suggested; limit the number of times the city would pay to have EMT's respond to the same person's overdose.
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This has Nothing to do with Politics BUT- Do Not You feel the Health Care Industry Is getting JUST as GREEDY as Wall Street and Greed is what is ruining this country?
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Originally Posted by Sarge707
This has Nothing to do with Politics BUT- Do Not You feel the Health Care Industry Is getting JUST as GREEDY as Wall Street and Greed is what is ruining this country?
Unfettered capitalism will destroy this country one day. I agree.
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How many times.....
How many times can they steal from the hard working stiff....The drug addict steals from the working man to get enough to overdose (maybe even someones life) then steals from the organizations the working man pays into for thier benefit now if he goes to jail for the first crimes we pay for that and even if he dies we pay for that. Well....that would be the end for that one...
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Originally Posted by Chupaca
How many times can they steal from the hard working stiff....The drug addict steals from the working man to get enough to overdose (maybe even someones life) then steals from the organizations the working man pays into for thier benefit now if he goes to jail for the first crimes we pay for that and even if he dies we pay for that. Well....that would be the end for that one...
I agree completely. There should be a limit to what taxpayers (i.e. the responsible, productive part of society) pay to subsidize the chosen lifestyles and behavior of those who only take and never give back. I'm just not sure how to phrase that in such a way it can be made law. But, we should try.
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Originally Posted by Sarge707
This has Nothing to do with Politics BUT- Do Not You feel the Health Care Industry Is getting JUST as GREEDY as Wall Street and Greed is what is ruining this country?
I completely agree. The fastest way to lower the cost of health care is stop allowing employer sponsored health plans. If everyone (like those of us that are self employed) had to go buy insurance on their own and saw what the "true" costs was no one would buy it. Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc would be forced to lower the costs because no one would be able to buy (or want to buy) their product at its current rates.
The current rates have nothing to do what things really costs and has everything to do with what they can get away with charging. Like the guy that walks into a store and says, "how much does this costs" and the store keep says, "how much you got".
With employer sponsored healthcare the insurance companies are able to charge big dollars for plans because they have a large pool of money to fund it plain and simple. When your employer stops paying half the costs and you see how much comes out of your check automatically that is never in your pay check so you don't miss it you wake up real fast to what's going one.
As my grandparents always said......cars and homes were affordable until everyone started "buying on time". They it didn't matter what they cost.....what mattered was if you could make the monthly payment. That's when the world went hell according to them. Older I get the more I agree.
It's just another way for a smaller group of people to control a larger group of people.
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Is it the Government's responsibility?
It's the responsibility of the person who is addicted.
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Originally Posted by Rob Rodriguez
I completely agree. The fastest way to lower the cost of health care is stop allowing employer sponsored health plans. If everyone (like those of us that are self employed) had to go buy insurance on their own and saw what the "true" costs was no one would buy it. Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc would be forced to lower the costs because no one would be able to buy (or want to buy) their product at its current rates.
The current rates have nothing to do what things really costs and has everything to do with what they can get away with charging. Like the guy that walks into a store and says, "how much does this costs" and the store keep says, "how much you got".
With employer sponsored healthcare the insurance companies are able to charge big dollars for plans because they have a large pool of money to fund it plain and simple. When your employer stops paying half the costs and you see how much comes out of your check automatically that is never in your pay check so you don't miss it you wake up real fast to what's going one.
As my grandparents always said......cars and homes were affordable until everyone started "buying on time". They it didn't matter what they cost.....what mattered was if you could make the monthly payment. That's when the world went hell according to them. Older I get the more I agree.
It's just another way for a smaller group of people to control a larger group of people.
i have always said if employer sponsored health care had higher co pays then people would not run to the doctor when their nose
is stuffy or their kid sneezes.
back to the subject of the post, i don't believe that taxpayer dollars should pay for repeat stupidity or deliberate actions. if the
government keeps bailing out drug addicts how will they or others learn?
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It's like most "hot topics", sounds outrageous until it happens to you/your family. 
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Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN
don't get me wrong, i do understand but i don't believe others should have to pay for your mistakes, that is socialism and
sanders did not win so we don't have it in this country to that extent....yet
Tell that to our government ... we are all paying for the consequences of their grievous errors every day.
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The answer is NO to the original question. If you want to play, you pay.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
The answer is NO to the original question. If you want to play, you pay.
Well said
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some may not agree with me but i don't believe in mandatory unemployment insurance being pulled from my pay check or social security. i have been employed my whole life since i was about 12. i have always in some way had a job whether it be a paper route, flea market or the business i have owned for over 35 years. when business was slow i never asked the landlord to lower my rent or the government to have me pay less taxes. i would love to have a 2017 aston martin but i can't afford it so i won't buy one.
if you can afford your drugs then so be it if you can't then stop, it's that simple but don't ask me to pay for your drug habit or rehabilitation.
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I'm an EMT, and I've given Narcan a several times in the small response area we cover. It's frustrating, to say the least, to save someone's ars, then have them wake up from the dead all pizzed off. What burns me is that officers are now carrying narcan and saving people for free, people that had a choice to shoot up, but those who suffer from bee stings and other allergic reactions, that they cannot control, have to pay out the ars for epinephrine. That is F'ed up!!! It doesn't help that our medical and pharmaceutical folks in the good ole USA have so much control. Doctors are writing too many scripts, and pharmacies are making waaaaay to much money for cheap drugs.
The "government" absolutely needs to somehow get this country's pharmaceutical system under control. Can they be blamed for the opioid problem......somewhat. I don't believe in addiction....I think it's too easy in today's society for people to create excuses to use drugs. Whatever happened to good old fashioned will power?
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I also would vote 'NO' on this issue but.....
Consider the plight of the First Responder (EMT, LEO or Firefighter). Now we are expecting people who may have a minimum of medical training to diagnose and execute treatment to someone who most likely cannot tell them what happened and/or for which they have no medical history. I don't think that is reasonable.
I think a better approach is to bill the 'victim' for their treatment and if they cannot/will not pay up then slap them into a confined treatment program until they are clean. If they re-offend after treatment they are on their own but by that time they will have some sort of legal history that can follow them and be used by First Responders.
We need to begin considering drug abusers (legal drugs or otherwise) as criminals in their own right and treat them accordingly. They are not traditional 'victims' but rather entered this world on their own volition.
There would be only one exception to the above and that is for persons under the age of 18. Obviously, young children should be exempt but older children also deserve the chance to remain alive after a dumb decision.
Just my two cents.
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A GOOD Republican believes in ACCOUNTABILITY
Since most on this board are GOOD Republicans, and therefore believe in accountability, I propose the U.S. legalize all drugs. It is not the government's responsibility to protect you from yourself. Nor, is it the government;s responsibility to raise your children properly.
What do ya' think? Legalize drugs or not?
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It's not a "Republican issue". ANY responsible adult should be able to see the value in acting responsibly, and accepting the consequences of your actions.
Besides: if it can be done stupidly: people will find a way to make it even worse! 
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
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It's not a "Republican issue". ANY responsible adult should be able to see the value in acting responsibly, and accepting the consequences of your actions.
Besides: if it can be done stupidly: people will find a way to make it even worse!
Yes, I am completely serious.
One of the points I was trying to make in the above post was:
Republicans scream the loudest about legalizing drugs - yet they STRONGLY believe in self-accountability (so do I). A bit hypocritical, don't you think?
Again, I think the U.S. should legalize all drugs. Not the gov'ment's responsibility to protect the citizens of the US from themselves.
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