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04-02-2017, 11:24 AM
#201
I struggle with taking my mirrors off every time I have to. I am sure looking forward to getting both sets that I ordered. 1 set for my wife's RT and 1 for mine! Thanks Russ for making this possible!
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04-02-2017, 12:26 PM
#202
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04-02-2017, 01:21 PM
#203
Very Active Member
Magic Mirror Kit Installed - super easy!
Last edited by Jim&Teresa; 04-02-2017 at 05:10 PM.
Happy and safe rydin'
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04-02-2017, 01:41 PM
#204
Active Member
Order #965.......
Package arrived today from Australia. Thanks Russ. Installing later this week.
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04-02-2017, 04:40 PM
#205
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Hey guys, how do I best get this across?? Let's try this way..
You
REALLY
DO NOT
need or want to use locktite on the screws holding these magnets on - if you do, there's a very good chance at some stage down track you'll not be able to remove them again without destroying the Phillips head on the screw, or if you've left the screws in place long enough, maybe even having to drill them out to remove them!! Your Spyder is not a Harley, it doesn't vibrate everything apart! These screws WILL remain firmly affixed if you 'just nip them up only' as per the instructions, & then DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN - OR USE LOCKTITE!
While the screws themselves are 'less magnetic' than plain iron/steel due to the material they are made of, they are still somewhat capable of accepting a magnetic field, especially if you leave them there over time (as you will) & the magnets are pretty damn strong!! So by just running the screw thru the magnet & into the plate behind it, effectively only finger tight, ie 'just nipped up' as per the instructions, it allows the magnet to fix the screw in place a fair bit harder than any of the normal blue locktite or 'screw fix' stuff you might use anyway - but then by adding some 'real' locktite & then leaving it there for a while as well as letting the magnetism do it's thing & also letting a bit of oxidisation get to work on the metals (as it invariably will) it is very likely to bind the screw in place far better than leaving it swimming for 20 years in a saline bath!! So if you want to create real problems for yourself down track, just add some locktite to the magnet holding screws!
So I'd stongly suggest that anyone who HAS used locktite on those screws holding the magnets in place goes back & cleans the locktite off with the appropriate solvent; because it doesn't take a heap of time for the locktite to set hard/tight & then not much more for the magnetism & naturally occurring oxidisation to develop enough that the phillips head screw will become impossible to remove without stripping the head & making it necessary to drill the screw out!! Note, I used the word IMPOSSIBLE in there on purpose; not 'difficult'; not even 'a right pain in the arse', but IMPOSSIBLE!! Anyone want to ask me how I know??!
So.... how else can we make this absolutely clear to you all?
You do NOT need to add any locktite to the magnet holding screws, & if you do, you WILL be fixing those screws into place pretty much permanently once everything's set & some time has passed, which could be a major problem down track if you ever need to remove the tupperware or the lights!! And besides, if you keep all the bits you remove & follow the Magic Mirror instructions for fitting (without adding Locktite), then if you happen to sell that Spyder down track some time, you can always whip the Magics off & replace the OE stuff so you can transfer your Magics on to your next Spyder!! Win/Win!!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 04-03-2017 at 05:54 PM.
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04-02-2017, 04:51 PM
#206
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04-02-2017, 05:05 PM
#207
Very Active Member
only 324 posts till 80k
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Keep going BOB!
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04-02-2017, 06:06 PM
#208
Thinks out loud
Sometimes, it honestly takes BFH to make your point
Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
Hey guys, how do I best get this across?? Let's try this way..
You
REALLY
DO NOT
need or want to use locktite on the screws holding these magnets on - if you do, there's a very good chance you'll never be able to remove them again without destroying the Phillips head on the screw, or if you've left the screws in place long enough, maybe even having to drill them out to remove them!! Your Spyder is not a Harley, it doesn't vibrate everything apart! These screws WILL remain firmly affixed if you ' just nip them up only' as per the instructions, & then DO NOT OVERTIGHTEN - OR USE LOCKTITE!
While the screws themselves are 'less magnetic' than plain iron/steel due to the material they are made of, they are still somewhat capable of accepting a magnetic field, especially if you leave them there over time (as you will) & the magnets are pretty damn strong!! So by just running the screw thru the magnet & into the plate behind it, effectively only finger tight, or 'just nipped up' as per the instructions, it allows the magnet to fix the screw in place a fair bit harder than any of the normal blue locktite or 'screw fix' stuff you might use anyway - but then by adding some 'real' locktite & then leaving it there for a while as well as letting the magnetism do it's thing & also letting a bit of oxidisation get to work on the metals (as it invariably will) it is very likely to bind the screw in place far better than leaving it swimming for 20 years in a saline bath!! So if you want to create real problems for yourself down track, just add some locktite to the magnet holding screws!
So I'd stongly suggest that anyone who HAS used locktite on those screws holding the magnets in place goes back & cleans the locktite off with the appropriate solvent; because it doesn't take a heap of time for the locktite to set hard/tight & then not much more for the magnetism & naturally occurring oxidisation to develop enough that the phillips head screw will become impossible to remove without stripping the head & making it necessary to drill the screw out!! Note, I used the word IMPOSSIBLE in there on purpose; not 'difficult'; not even 'a right pain in the arse', but IMPOSSIBLE!! Anyone want to ask me how I know??!
So.... how else can we make this absolutely clear to you all?
You do NOT need to add any locktite to the magnet holding screws, & if you do, you WILL be fixing those screws into place pretty much permanently, which could be a major problem down track if you ever need to remove the tupperware or the lights!! And besides, if you keep all the bits you remove & follow the Magic Mirror instructions for fitting (without adding Locktite), then if you happen to sell that Spyder down track some time, you can always whip the Magics off & replace the OE stuff so you can transfer your Magics on to your next Spyder!! Win/Win!!
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04-02-2017, 06:15 PM
#209
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Jim&Teresa
I thought I would pass this on .....I do not own a 13MM deep well socket, so I found that a 1/2 inch deep well socket (thin wall) worked perfectly to remove the 3 mounting pins on each side.
The install went great and was super easy! Time will tell if they hold the mirrors through all the bumps, vibrations, etc.....seem to hold them on tight. Package contained the "perfect" amount of parts which is always great.
I must confess......I utilized this video more than reading the instructions!
Jim,
I agree these are super easy to install and I used an open end 13mm wrench. I like how tite these hold the mirrors to the body, much better then the stock setup. The written instructions are also easy to follow!
Les
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04-02-2017, 06:16 PM
#210
Very Active Member
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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04-02-2017, 06:59 PM
#211
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by trikermutha
And plan on using the correct loctite . BrP put loctite on the stock application and have no problem removing the hardware now. I can still remove the screw with the magnet . You can do as you wish. I don't want unforeseen issues just in case. A ounce of prevention can't hurt anyone. JMO
You do realise how much development Russ, Peter and others put into the design, stress testing and road testing of these mirrors, Trikermutha? I would certainly be following their advice rather than "doing my own thing", but of course it's your call.
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04-02-2017, 08:36 PM
#212
Very Active Member
Watch out on that top magnet! The magnet diameter is large enough that it WILL sit on top of the tupperware tab. If you tighten it too much you will cock the magnet and then it won't make proper contact with the plate on the mirror body. In Russ's video he says the tupperware must be just loose enough to move under the magnet. This is the tab where you take the screw out, toss the washer, and reinstall with the tether loop under the screw.
I thought there was an interference issue and was about ready to cut the tupperware tab back but I decided to watch his video again.
This is what it looks like.
Magic Mirror tab interference 2.jpg
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Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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04-03-2017, 12:12 AM
#213
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 04-03-2017 at 12:15 AM.
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04-03-2017, 05:51 AM
#214
SpyderLovers Sponsor
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
Watch out on that top magnet! The magnet diameter is large enough that it WILL sit on top of the tupperware tab. If you tighten it too much you will cock the magnet and then it won't make proper contact with the plate on the mirror body. In Russ's video he says the tupperware must be just loose enough to move under the magnet. This is the tab where you take the screw out, toss the washer, and reinstall with the tether loop under the screw.
I thought there was an interference issue and was about ready to cut the tupperware tab back but I decided to watch his video again.
This is what it looks like.
Magic Mirror tab interference 2.jpg
thats right
after you nip up the magnet,the tupperware tab should(will) still move. we fitted up a dozen magics at the muster on the weekend and all tabs were free. if the tab is trapped the magnet cant sit flat. this is why we remove the washer too. also the reason for the black spacer
Just back from our annual muster (around 50 RT'S) and fitted around 12 kits.As things were getting a little hectic what with magics and wheel alignments,some buyers did their own installs and we in the know checked over them at the finish.Here are some mistakes that were made (no one was using eddys system or reading the instructions)
1. the mirror didnt close
we found the top tab washer had been left in place....if you follow the instructions it says to remove the top washer first.Then having done one side,you move to the second mirror and its all getting a bit rote.So we dont need to follow the instructions anymore and we forget to remove the washer first...i will amend the instructions to say"first remove both mirrors....then remove both washres".....
2. we checked one fitters R.I.P. bag after the install and found......one steel tab washer and one black spacer.......he had placed the steel washer he removed from the tab, under the magnet instead of the black plastic spacer...he put said steel washer in the worst possible place..under the top magnet
obviously the tab would have been trapped had he checked it, as the black spacer is thicker than the tupperware tab but the steel washer is not
lesson is to be tidy and organised and when finished to check the parts left over....should be 6 plastic receivers oem,6 steel pins and 2 steel washers in the bag
3.buyer presented with assembled magnet on the screw ready to fit to bike
unfortunately when he read the part which mentioned the white washer first, he decided to use one of the white spacers which are between the magnets instead of the small white washers supplied in the packet...maybe watching the vid as per eddy would have preventd this....the magnet spacers are to be discarded and do not figure in the fitment
4.degree of difficulty when closing mirror......buyer had previously self fitted blinker repeaters,a line of LED's on the glass.unfortunately he had used scotch locks instead of neatly splicing the wires into the loom..scotch locks are cumbersome and bulbous so when he tried to shove the wires up the mousehole,the 3 connectors didnt want to go in.......he was asked to go home and tidy up his wiring the mirror did close but it wasnt clean
5. when fixing the petals the fixer didnt wind the mounting screws in far enough resulting in the screw head sittin above the top of the petal. the magnet now cant sit flat on the petal resulting in inferior attraction
remedy....ensure both mounting screws are fully tightened when mounting the zinc plated petals(receivers)
in spite of these faults it was a very enjoyable experience but it does highlight the need for vigilance. sometimes its as well to work with a friend so as to check each others work...as long as that friend is not jack
thanks russ
Last edited by merlot; 04-03-2017 at 07:02 AM.
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04-03-2017, 08:00 AM
#215
Very Active Member
Tether no longer supplied?
I was going to place an order for a set of the mirror magnets but a note was added to the description stating that the "tether" will no longer be included. For those of you that have already installed these mirror magnets do you feel that a safety tether would still be necessary? Not sure if we are supposed to still use a safety tether but have to make them ourselves.
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04-03-2017, 09:21 AM
#216
Very Active Member
22 guage wire
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04-03-2017, 12:57 PM
#217
Active Member
Magic Mirrors
Nothing in my mail box today. 15 days and counting...
Happy owner of 2014 White RTS - SE6
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04-03-2017, 01:38 PM
#218
Russell -- mine arrived today (order #960) if you are keeping track of deliveries.
I am in the midst of a major teardown of the Fat White Chick, so it will probably be late this week or next before I get them installed.
Cheers, Paul
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04-03-2017, 02:18 PM
#219
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04-03-2017, 02:42 PM
#220
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04-03-2017, 03:09 PM
#221
SpyderLovers Sponsor
Originally Posted by Y Rider
I was going to place an order for a set of the mirror magnets but a note was added to the description stating that the "tether" will no longer be included. For those of you that have already installed these mirror magnets do you feel that a safety tether would still be necessary? Not sure if we are supposed to still use a safety tether but have to make them ourselves.
we feel that a tether is an unnecessary complication...you don't have one on the Oem mirrors either
the maggies have been trialling for 4 months now and no instance has arisen which justifies their use, so we have discontinued them
thanks. Russ
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04-03-2017, 03:21 PM
#222
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by bill51
guess who a happy pup got my today #1042
Mine should be damn close then
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04-03-2017, 04:43 PM
#223
Order 992 Upstate NY (above Bob D, sorry Bob!) even with a screwed up address (but right zip)
Here today!!
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04-03-2017, 05:40 PM
#224
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Originally Posted by trikermutha
Since this seems to be a issue for some reason. I went out and grabbed my Phillips screw driver that fit the screw " perfectly" and turned each screw in and out with NO issues.
If I have any issues down the road that is my problem now isn't it??
By placing a small/minimal amount of Loctite has not created any problems and hope we can move forward with this topic ....
I'm not getting on YOUR case in particular about this Trikermutha, & I'm happy for you if you want to do your own thing for whatever reason, but it is important that people OTHER THAN YOU realise that while you can stick locktite on these screws now & have absolutely no issues with them NOW (as you keep telling us) or possibly even in the short term, but because the magnets are already doing the job that you would normally use locktite for AND we've added dissimilar metals plus a magnetic field to mildly enhance the potential for a reaction, it almost certainly will create removal issues for them sometime down track - probably not just in a few weeks; possibly in a few months; very likely by 6-8 or so months; almost certainly in a year or so's time!! Still, it won't be a biggie if it's just bare metal & magnets holding them in, but add locktite & it's more than 'just' overkill... it almost certainly IS gonna be an issue....
So it may seem TO YOU that I'm belabouring the point, but I'm really only trying to stop others from making the same mistake & creating a whole world of bother for themselves. Sure, you and anyone else who wants to can make any foolish mistake you like, ignore any reasoned advice you like, do whatever you like, but I really don't want anyone to make an unwitting decision based upon the premise that 'adding Locktite can't create any problems' when I know from bitter & painful experience that in this particular set of circumstances IT CAN!! As soon as everyone (&/or anyone) stops posting about how they think it WON'T hurt in a way that might encourage others to do the same, despite the 'testing' that suggests it will, then I'll stop warning all the other readers out there.
Happy to move forwards....
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04-03-2017, 06:06 PM
#225
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