http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...d=104709&stc=1 Has to be said...Fair warning was given.
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http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...d=104709&stc=1 Has to be said...Fair warning was given.
I got my first Spyder in April of 2008, rode it till 2013, got a 2012 RT, figure I'll ride it till I can afford a new one. The biggest problem I've had has been finding time to ride. As far as service? I've owned H-D's from the mid 50's, some Triumphs, Nortons, and Enfields from the same time frame, so I think I've got a good idea of what reliability, or its lack, is. I really like my Spyder.
john
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflb lack:
Feel the love Brother.
It's good to know that you don't have me on ignore, i was beginning to wonder.
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflb lack:
Cruzr Joe
Do we have forum police here now? The last thing that should be said around here is that a person with great technical knowledge should go away. 95 % of what is posted here is USELESS CHATTER .Let's not drive away the good 5% of useful information . It has happened too many times in the past. Maybe they just got tired of all the meaningless posting.
Okay. How about something technical and useful?
Can someone tell me how the EFI system works on my :spyder2:?
Are there advantages of the EFI system compared to the older carburation system?
Will various octane numbers affect either system, and how.
I will be waiting for the 5% of technical experts to chime in.
Thank you.
Must be the approach of the full moon has got so many on edge. Like we in the trade say; there's a pill for that:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
My 08 GS has been bullet proof. Just a steering recall and oil changes with maintenance. Hope the F3 is the same.:yes:
EFI delivers an exact measurement of fuel via injectors and fires the plug based on piston location via cam position sensor. The ECM measure the efficiency via O2 sensors and adjust the amount that is injected. If knock sensors are available the ECM can retard the timing if it detects pre ignition usually due to lower octane fuels. The higher the octane the higher pressure it will take to ignite and be more efficient and increase HP.
Carbs are like dumping fuel into the intake and hoping it get sucked into the cylinder in the correct measure. Timing done by points works via camshaft but they degrade over time requiring replacement where the ECM just fires the coil when it wants. Much less efficient and constantly changing system. Got knock? Better get higher octane fuel or adjust your points or both. :thumbup:
Both systems mix air and fuel and deliver it to the combustion chamber. The air/fuel ratio delivered by the carburetor is fixed by the use of jets and comes from the factory set up for best performance for a specific environment (altitude, humidity, temperature, etc). The jets can be changed, but that requires that the carburetor be disassembled. Obviously not something you can do beside the road before driving up a mountain. The EFI system though constantly adjusts the air/fuel ratio to be optimum for conditions by getting information from the various sensors and comparing that to a lookup table (called a map) to adjust the amount of fuel being injected.
It isn't that the octane ratings will affect one over the other, but it does affect the combustion process. The higher the octane rating, the more the fuel will take compression before it detonates. For optimum engine performance the ignition needs to take place at a specific point in the combustion process. If too low an octane is used, you can get knocking or pinging because the fuel is igniting too early in the process. EFI systems can adjust the system somewhat to compensate, but you lose some efficiency in that.
And no, I am not an expert. Ex = has been. Spurt = drip under pressure.
Well im lightly stepping in
I will admit im a rabid HD guy who switched to this awesome Spyder
The site here helped my decision to purchace & learn to handle the bike & pick out acc (i can't call em f a rkles sorry
I feel as though I know some of ya as its a small room here
Any way thank you for all the ideas videos humour etc
This is a good site
I guess when people criticize the machine they own could be good reason & out of frustration
Lord knows many years ago wi HD it would been same
I selfishly just want to enjoy my new ryde & do not want it to be slammed
But so far it works perfectly
On the other hand if I have a problem I will want
HELP! BIG TIME
with no bitchin or slammin
Just help advise what dealer is good how to communicate with Can am etc
You ALL would be my help
So lets all go see REO Speedwagon or Bob Seger & have some peace Love & Spyder Power
DLBY
HOOSIER SEMI RETIRED PREACHER HIPPY
Without knowing the parameters of the survey, I suspect at least part of the issue is that Spyder owners tend to be older and more financially established and are therefore more likely to have their vehicle serviced at a dealer. I know that is what I do.
one thing to take in to consideration is some of the other bike might have their repairs handles by their owners
where spyders like most new cars today have too much electronics & have to be brought in to dealer
Okay; it's time for me to tell you why I said what I said... :opps:
Most folks will join a forum like this, to gather some validation for their choices...
(Drew is the noted exception. :D)
We all hang around in here; telling stories about not being waved at by this or that type of bike, or being asked insulting questions by people who obviously don't get us...
And we always do our best to tell our friends to not worry about the cretins out there... :thumbup:
So when someone from in here, posts a "Study", or an article about how our choice of bikes isn't the next best thing to Mother's Milk and Sliced Bread; well, it almost feels like a betrayal... :shocked:
Dave,
You KNOW that I respect your mechanical skills and flawless taste in music.:bowdown:
When you posted it; I had to wonder if the "2013 jinx" was starting to take it's toll on you...
Are we good? :shocked:
Repair, service, reliability...to me are completely different categories for the said 42%. Does mine go to the shop? Yes, for the oil changes(service). Does it go there for tires and a laser alignment? Yep, I'll call that one a combo(repair and service). Did it go there for a broken shock? Yes, but replaced under warranty(guess that one is reliability and repair). How about the Orange screen of death or codes...the last time I checked, my garage doesn't have a Buds computer in it(chalk that up to service). Guess I'm part of the 42% because I've driven the wheels off of my "unreliable" machine.
Drew,
Why would you care what I say? :dontknow:
You have made it perfectly clear that this isn't a popularity contest in here...
...and you don't care to march to the same drummer as everybody else.
I would have thought that honesty would be appreciated more by you.
Well Bob everyone has a bad day and yesterday musta been your day in the barrel. I will continue to post as I see fit, good or bad. If it is bad hopefully BRP Cares will see it, report it to corporate and increase that $70 mil profit by making their best advertisers happy.:thumbup:
2013 RT Limited
Brake light wire burned from hot exhaust
Returned for band-aid recall
Returned for software upgrade and other items(belt guard bolt, etc.)
Replaced burned evap canister
Returned for water pump seal leaking
Waiting on BIG recall.......
All this before my second oil change.(5100 miles)
I don't think there is a problem with Magdave's post.
I've managed two international support/grief-based listservs, and one thing that happened every year without fail, was hostility among members spiked in the winter time. I'd wager that the increased time stuck in the house due to weather (cabin fever) along with people dealing with S.A.D. and holiday stresses like family events led to the increase of people flying off the handle. This is more pronounced between long-standing vanguard members when newer members joined the group and expressed ideas that challenged the vanguard's notion of reality within the lists. The vanguard took huge offense to anything they perceived as a challenge to the "way things were" and demonstrated a sense of ownership in the lists (despite the reality they were not owners or even moderators). Every year, old members would leave complaining of new members and new members would do the same--finding a lack of acceptance from long-term members. New members were often treated as pariahs despite everyone joining the lists for the exact same reasons. They had more in common than not.
I've seen the same thing reflected after several years here. A core vanguard who aren't always accepting of new members who express ideas not in keeping with how things have always operated. In Winter time, when people can't get out and ride and are dealing with the effects of Season Affective Disorder, everyone develops a short fuse. The forum is always filled with snippy and sometimes distasteful, personal attacks and people over-reacting in general. That combined with the added security of being essentially anonymous behind a monitor, it becomes too easy for vulnerable individuals to act in an aggressive and hurtful way.
I'd also wager that this type of situation exists in every support group, bulletin board/forum and listserv on the planet regardless the topic. It's a product of many variables but mainly the inability for mankind to be humane.