Looks like something you might whittle out of a wooden block.:barf:
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Looks like something you might whittle out of a wooden block.:barf:
Oh goody. The hybrid may return. A long long time ago, and in a galaxy far, far away...I actually did an April Fools on the introduction of the Hybrid. I used BRP's original photo, a green/white spyder....(which I later found out, did not even have a working engine in it), and then let the April foolery fly.
I had a few people convinced for a couple of days. :roflblack: :2thumbs:
Wow, is that thing fugly!!
Whoops, I was referring to the NeoWing. It was just above my post when I said this.
Other than promo photo's, Honda's Neowing has never been viewed in public, spy shot photo's. Bummer ....
It has been viewed in public... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8EJ4QnTlzU
https://japancarsmanufacturer.com/20...honda-neowing/
Don't know how accurate this story is. 2020 has been and gone but there was a few hiccups.
Would be an awesome ride, way better geometry than the Niken to my eye, shaft drive, dirty great engine, whats not to like?
Looks silly to put a GoldWing engine in that thing. Why add the huge weight disadvantage? Getting that monster to lean
from side to side looks to be a real chore, and if it's electronically controlled, what's the point. And considering a standard
GoldWing trike is over $30,000, something with this level of sophistication is going to cost well north of that. And trikes,
regular or two wheels forward, are mainly just toys.
And I certainly have never heard of anything from Yamaha as far as a trike development.
Never heard of the Niken? Three wheeler by Yamaha been in the US market for one or 2 years.
It certainly does prove you learn something new every day. Thanks for the information.
I did some looking and can't find any years except 2019. Kind of odd. Cycle Trader only shows that year, nothing any newer or older.
Haven't ridden one myself Pete but interested to get your opinion on how you think it would stack up in the cornering ability v a Spyder. Far as I know the Niken doesn't have a nanny as such but could be wrong. I am aware that if overcooked they can be dropped into the weeds albeit happens at a far more predictable rate than a regular motorcycle.
I can see nanny wars and tyre development becoming major factors if these things get a hold in the market.
I dunno about things happening at a more predictable rate. With a motorcycle you can just keep leaning until you run out of lean. It would
appear that there is a definite stop to the lean on those. It looks like they only lean so far, and that's it. So if you came into a corner a bit
hot, you may not have enough lean to make the corner. If so, you'e simply drive off the road, or into oncoming traffic, rather than low side.
Seems to me that if you lose traction with one tire, you'll lose traction with both. And I wonder if you could lean far enough to pull that off tire from
contact with the pavement. Pure speculation though, unless you've actually ridden the thing to its limits. I think I'll stick to two wheels for now though. :)
I was amazed at how cheap, relatively, they are considering the complexity of that front end.
I had an MP3-500 (leaning scooter reverse trike). It handled exactly like any other leaning 2-wheeled bike. Did a week in the Smokies tearing up the attraction roads. There is no concept of a nanny so you're free to over-drive the s**t out of it in corners. The 2nd front tire adds 50% more traction and makes a world of positive difference on wet/slick/loose surfaces.
Very hard to compare, Cobwebs. The Niken certainly inspired confidence when cornering. I was able to take the same corners faster on the Niken than I can on the F3...... but it is sooooooo subjective. I am not a particularly skilled, fast rider. I was far more confident, and I believe faster, on the Niken than I was on the Victory Vision, and it did handle well, but the Vision was a big beast. I’ll see if I can find a review I saw by a very good Aussie rider who has ridden just about everything, and ridden them fast. He was extremely impressed......plus, he is a straight shooter.
Pete
Here’s the review.....it’s long, and he’s an Aussie so he is a straight shooter, and his first hand experience is at odds with many of the “guesses” re handling and cornering ability espoused above......believe me, it is well worth the long read :thumbup:
https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/2018...-holy-trinity/
Pete
I heard a rumor that this was the next version of the Spyder
https://youtu.be/GQMGq8gk6QM
A quick search resulted in this article.
https://journaltimes.com/news/local/...224bc11c6.html
Not to be the guy with a pin in a room full of balloons. But, as already mentioned above, there are some big hurdles to get to a leaning Spyder.
1- Cost or Value for the Money. How much is a novelty worth to you? It's going to be expensive. Not only getting it off the showroom floor. But maintenance costs will be higher as well. Not something that marketing is going to push.
2- Car tires don't lean well. Which means you'll have to go to Motorcycle tires. Check out the difference in contact patch! This does not bode well for 'Cornering at twice the speed'.
3- Tire wear is going to increase exponentially. With people already complaining about tire wear. I don't see this as a plus for a leaning Spyder.
4- Look at these Spyder pictures. There isn't enough ground clearance with our WIDE and LOW Spyder platform to lean much before you have hard parts hitting the ground. This means 1 of 3 things have to happen to get this to work.
A. Make the Spyder quite a bit narrower. Not going to happen.
B. Raise the Spyder up quite a bit. This will elevate the center of gravity, greatly reducing stability and the amount of G's it can handle. This will force you to go slower in corners.
C. Restrict lean angle by quite a bit, defeating the purpose for the lean capability in the first place.
I suppose that a combination of these 3 things could bring you to a leaning Spyder. But that's a lot of fundamental, and expensive changes to a platform that is already working very well.