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Those plugs would be OK from a carburated bike from the 80's. But from a current generation water cooled fuel injection that's a bit too dark for my taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I'll look on my bench for some used V-twin plugs with 30K on the and try to post.
FYI the right plug looks exactly like the left, it's just the picture as I used a flash from my iPhone.
Considering others that have pulled plugs and the pictures I have seen. Mine is running way better than theirs. But yes the fuel mapping on the 2011 is higher than 2013 and up. I am not doing any custom commander stuff sorry. It's staying stock.
Also another top notch dealer Mech (Shawn Smoak) saw my plugs and thinks I am running just fine.
As for the set screw falling out and trailering it. Seems the BRP bulletin just says "if you find that on an oil change" to do the procedure. Considering the only way to know this happened is on a oil change, I am going to ride it to the dealer. For sure I already put miles on it with this missing, another 25 miles I doubt is going to make much difference.
I also plan to call BRP about it Monday AM for advise.
Bob
Here is a better picture of the plugs under good lighting.
I will admit even this photo shows the right plug in my hand as more fouled but with your eyes they look almost the same. So the iPhone camera seems to make things worse than they look to the naked eye.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...2&d=1430075926
Bob
And yes folks... those cuts (actually they are scratches just look worse than they are) on my hand are from trying to get the freaking air box out!
Bob
Inspect for what? That they put the screw back in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis in Lodi
Bob
Those plugs look fine Bob. They are a touch on the rich side for sure but it's not dirty rich. Also, the bit of extra fuel helps these motors run a bit cooler. I wouldn't touch ANYTHING in regards to the tuning.
Keep us posted on how it all plays out with the set screw!
OK did some research on the lubrication circuit.
No worry about cylinder lubrication. A little worry about the countershaft.
Also Shawn chatted to me about this and his comment was:
Also this was not a service bulletin but just a post on BOSSweb which is BRP's dealer forum.Quote:
looks as though the top-end is being fed first. The oil is entering the top of the oil duct cover and going down to feed the countershaft. With the screw missing, it could lowering the overall oil pressure.
I thank Lamont to the bottom of my heart for helping identify this issue as he spent the time to go on the BRP forum and find it!!!!
THANK YOU Lamont! :bowdown:
Bob
Can I just say after all this.... I am a little bummed out :(
My Spyder has been perfect and I have taken care of it extremely well as far as general maintenance goes.
To have this happen totally bums me out today knowing that I have to see a dealer at 14K.
I was hoping to never see a dealer ever in the life of me owning my Spyder (Darth). Alas... it's not to be :(
It's causing me to reflect on owning a Spyder to be honest when a simple set screw can put me down. No car or other vehicle I have ever owned has done this to me. I put 90K miles on a Honda 750-4 in 1970's with not a single issue.
Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day :(
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...3&d=1430095530
So now it's time for me too to deal with a dealer.
After Darth is fixed, if I ever have another BS problem like this I think I will be done with Can-Am / BRP products.
Not being harsh but I like being happy with my ride!
If I am not, then how can someone enjoy a ride that brings grief like this?... :(
I love my Spyder don't get me wrong! But having something as a simple set screw take me out, in my opinion, is not cool. It makes me think this is not going to be a reliable product for the long run :(
I am hoping after this is fixed, I don't have any more issues for miles to come.
Bob
Stay calm and optimist Bob. The dealer will do the repair and your next ride will be the best you ever done.
Remember, nothing goes wrong with your Spyder before you find that set screw on the magnet. I have the same feeling about my Spyder 3 months after I purchase my 2010 bike. An oil leak at the water pump seal made me down for 2-3 months. Since, and after 85000 kilometers without any trouble, I am very very happy with my Spyder. Next year, a new 2016 RTS is already on the Santa Claus list.
No offense but if I was down for 2-3 months, that would be it for me period.Quote:
Originally Posted by tigerdr
Thanks for the upbeat confidence. I will try to stay in there.
Bob
Having read a number of you post, you rather capable person , just roll with the punches & bounce back:bbq: Learn from it and share with us please.
thx
b
I'm sorry you had this problem but don't let it sour you on the Spyder, things built by humans fail sometimes and guys like us find it as a challenge. I do agree that this is a job best left for the dealer seeing it's covered anyway. Glad I was able to point you in the right direction. :doorag:Quote:
Originally Posted by finless
[QUOTE=finless;967707]
Anyway to try and have some fun about this but still not being happy, I feel like Bob Denman on this day :(
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...3&d=1430095530
HEY!! :D I resemble that remark!! :roflblack:
Seriously; if your bike has been this good for this long... Don't get ready to leave Town just because ONE Bear pooped in your petunias! :thumbup:
Hopefully they get you in and out quick. I'm thinkin I may should dive in and check mine and do the loctite 'just in case'. Seems our BRP friends should put a service bulletin out to do just that if it's happened more than once, which it apparently has.
FOD running through the engine on it's way to the sump can do bad things...
Well it's going in tomorrow AM. Talked to the dealer today.
One thing that alarmed me so far is the service writer was quoting to me pre-2012 service schedule!!! e.g. 3,000 mile oil changes etc. I corrected him and said your talking about the old service schedule! I said BRP changed that in 2012.... He then corrected himself....
Hmmmmm I did not find that too good...
Good thing is when I talked to the Mech, he knew what I was talking about. The Mech at this dealer comes reccomended so I am going to forget the service writers education level and trust the Mech.
Bob
:2thumbs: Glad to hear that the plan is coming together... :clap:
Please let us know the outcome; Good Luck!! :thumbup:
Well I feel for you
Just joined the three wheel group in Nov.
Such an awesome running, feeling machine---
But Since bout 1973 most all my machines & there have been many & variety of brands
Last 17 years even HD with only one issue (top dead center sensor) Road king
Still have high hopes that our se6 is a gem
Any way we do feel for ya
Hope they would tell me if that showed up on oil change ---
I switch back & forth normaly on doing service on machines
3k first service due in 400 mi---
Bob, You state that you're doing your 14k maintenance. Aren't you in California and have a '11? Doesn't that put your scheduled maintenance at 12k? I'm also in Cali and want to ensure that I'm not missing something...
Thanks!
Seems this comes up a lot. BRP revised the service schedule for 2008-2012 Spyders. They did this in 2012!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalBud
Now the schedule is every 4600 miles. When BRP first released this schedule it said EXCEPT California. But a later memo did not exclude California!
Bob
Sniff, sniff... :shocked:
Darth is at the dealer now. Now awaiting how long it will take based on any possible parts they do not have and will need to order....
NorCalBud, I did chat with Niles at Bert's about the service schedule. They are going to confirm the Ca. thing. Either way if Ca. is excluded, it's because of Ca. EPA reasons not because there is a strange vortex in Ca. causing service schedules to be different :)
FYI if you want the Service Bulletin that went to dealers AND the letter that went to users/customers. Here is a ZIP containing both.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9B...ew?usp=sharing
Bob
Hang in there... :thumbup:
I feel your pain. :(
Try sleeping later, watching more reality shows, and NOT calling the dealer every seventeen minutes for updates... :shocked:
Boy I sure wanted to call them yesterday afternoon for a status, but I refrained :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Bob
It's hard to let someone else work on it. It will likely have a good outcome. Then you start to imagine bad scenarios happening like the job being assigned to the new apprentice they hired last week. :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by finless
Hang in there, Bob!
Bob,
This really sucks, and I feel for you. But on the positive side with all the gears in there, you are lucky the screw did not wedge between the gears and cause major damage. Keep the faith, Take Care.