Going From Stock Tires to (Non-OEM) Car Tires?

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Originally Posted by newbert

I went one better and dropped the fronts to 19. Tried it out for 35 miles and it does seem to help make the overall ride smoother.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911

If you are buying front tires, the Vredestein makes two sizes that will fit the 15" wheel ..... They have very, high performance numbers ..... The Tire Rack has them and will ship this tire to you for FREE , which makes them very attractive from a price standpoint ......... A few here have tried them and liked them a lot ..... Mike :thumbup:

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Mike,
Which Vredestein tire do you recommend for an F3T?
Jeff

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Originally Posted by Jeffmal

Mike,
Which Vredestein tire do you recommend for an F3T?
Jeff

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I hate getting OLD :banghead::banghead::banghead: .......... It's their Quatrac 5 model .... there are two 15" sizes that will fit - your choice ..... they have really good performance numbers, may be the best available currently .... Mike :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by monkeyboymorton

I think you're fronts are high and that will make the tires hard. I run 18-20 in the front to make them softer. I did try a higher pressure a couple of years ago and remember some of what you're describing - a sort of 'bobbling' at the front as the tires were bouncing a lot. Caused a lot of handlebar movement that I had to control.

My advice - drop the fronts to 20 and try it then. Be aware though it does drop the ride height a bit so the nose might start catching the ground where it didn't before.

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MBM - the actual ride height drop for that air pressure change will be approx. 3mm....IMHO He does not have to be concerned :gaah:........and I'm 99% sure that at 15psi His ride will be really nice ( and safe ) ...............Mike :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911

I hate getting OLD :banghead::banghead::banghead: .......... It's their Quatrac 5 model .... there are two 15" sizes that will fit - your choice ..... they have really good performance numbers, may be the best available currently .... Mike :thumbup:

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Will this one work for the rear?
Quatrac 5 - Size: 205/65R15

Do you know anyone that has these on all 3 wheels??
Thanks...

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Originally Posted by Jeffmal

Will this one work for the rear?
Quatrac 5 - Size: 205/65R15

Do you know anyone that has these on all 3 wheels??
Thanks...

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I hadn't given that one any thought, but I'll check the numbers for US ... stay tuned .........PS I think Peter Aawen or Peteoz . runs a 65 aspect tire ...... Mike :thumbup:. OK I did some research on this size ..... I used the Altimax RT43 for comparision because they have a number of tires exactly and similar in size ..... The Quatrac 5 in 205/65-15 is only a Hair different than the Altimax in 215/60-15 and we all know that Altimax FITS all Spyders ...... So my answer would be ..go for it:yes::yes:.....the actual width difference between a 205 & 215 might be 1/4 inch ......hope this helps ..... Mike

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Originally Posted by Peteoz

That’s opposite to what I have actually experienced, Easy Rider.....I have to ride over a 10km, potholed, secondary road to go anywhere from home. My Kuhmos, running at around 18-20 psi, feel definitely softer than the Kendas did at 18 and 26.;) .....

Pete

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Good report.
Just picking any old brand/model of tire I doubt that would be the case.
This might be just what he needs.

BK what are the sizes you are referring to, I can only see 175-55-15 on the tire rack site.

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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911

If you are buying front tires, the Vredestein makes two sizes that will fit the 15" wheel ..... They have very, high performance numbers ..... The Tire Rack has them and will ship this tire to you for FREE , which makes them very attractive from a price standpoint ......... A few here have tried them and liked them a lot ..... Mike :thumbup::yes:....PS, the tire is the Quatrac 5 model .... pick your width :yes:

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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911

I hadn't given that one any thought, but I'll check the numbers for US ... stay tuned .........PS I think Peter Aawen or Peteoz . runs a 65 aspect tire ...... Mike :thumbup:. OK I did some research on this size ..... I used the Altimax RT43 for comparision because they have a number of tires exactly and similar in size ..... The Quatrac 5 in 205/65-15 is only a Hair different than the Altimax in 215/60-15 and we all know that Altimax FITS all Spyders ...... So my answer would be ..go for it:yes::yes:.....the actual width difference between a 205 & 215 might be 1/4 inch ......hope this helps ..... Mike

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Mike, I sent this to Peter as well..I value both of your opinions and trying to figure this out.

I found that Vredestein also produces a 205/60R15 91H or 91V What do you think of these choices? How will they affect the speedometer and odometer and Nanny?
For the fronts I found 165/65R 81T and 165/60 R15 77 H. Should I match up the 60s ? Your thoughts on this combo?
Thanks again for all your input!! Jeff

Does anyone use runflat tires ,had one on the rear off the Wing worked good ,but never had a flat. But just felt safer with it on.

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Originally Posted by Easy Rider

Good report.
Just picking any old brand/model of tire I doubt that would be the case.
This might be just what he needs.

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Yeah, but it wasn’t any kind of scientific data on my part, Easy Rider, just seat of the pants stuff. ;)

Pete

One thing I will throw out here, is that when I installed my Kuhmo KH17 175x60 fronts, my speedo trued up. It now matches my GPS speed perfectly. This was BEFORE I had installed my Kuhmo rear. Peter A couldn’t understand this, which caused a lot of self doubt, but after checking everything again, there is no question that the install of those size fronts, definitely trued up my speedo.

......and the install of a KU22 205/55 rear, did not alter it .

Pete

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Originally Posted by Jeffmal

Mike, I sent this to Peter as well..I value both of your opinions and trying to figure this out.

I found that Vredestein also produces a 205/60R15 91H or 91V What do you think of these choices? How will they affect the speedometer and odometer and Nanny?
For the fronts I found 165/65R 81T and 165/60 R15 77 H. Should I match up the 60s ? Your thoughts on this combo?
Thanks again for all your input!! Jeff

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PM sent ............ Mike :thumbup:

Immediate difference.

This is all subjective based on the car tire you choose... but with the right car tires I've:

Had way better dry traction front and back
Had way better wet traction front and back
Had way better standing water performance front and back

The Kumho that I tried on the rear of my GS lasted 11k miles - about 1k more than the OEM Kendas. The Kuhmo was a fine touring tire, but overall it's dry and wet performance was pretty bad. Only benefit of the Kumho for me was even tread wear across the entire tire width.

On the GS fronts the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's were absolutely awesome.
On the GS the best rear I had was the Toyo Proxes 4 (no longer made). That tire was super sticky in the dry and it's wet and rain performance was incredible. Between a nail in one Toyo and selling the GS I never figured out what miles I could get to with the Toyo (on the GS)

On the F3-S I switched to the Federal Evos for the fronts. Did it early. Bit stickier than stock and better in the rain. I switched out the Kenda fronts at 4500 miles and to be honest I would have been ok keeping the OEM fronts, but decided to switch early.

On the F3-S rear I have once again a Toyo Proxes 4. My OEM Kenda was ready for replacement near 4500 miles. After 5500 on this current Toyo it looks like I might make 8k miles before needing a new rear. So I'm not getting great mileage out of the rears on the F3. I chalk that up to riding style. My Spyder doesn't do low heat around town puttering. When I ride I'm out for 8+ hours a day of riding twisties with hard braking and acceleration. No burnouts other than some wheel slip now and then.

Best advice? Any car tire is going to perform better than the Kendas and wear evenly. You may or may not get more miles out of the rear specifically. The Kumho is fine for many, but I suggest spending the extra $ on something better like the Yokohama s drive 205/50R15. It may even be in the same price range but people seem far happier with the Yokohama than the Kumho.

As for air pressure I'll only say you will find lots of opinions and a lot of apparent tire experts here. Yes the Spyder is lighter than a car and thus the tires aren't even pushing their load ratings. I've run 20-22 PSI on the fronts for thousands of miles with no issues and anywhere from 28-30 on the rear with no issues. You go too low of a PSI and the tire may create too much heat via sidewall flex and may break a bead in an abrupt swerve. Some here suggest some very low PSI in the tires.... "Tread" carefully... Get it? :)

I buy mine for performance and not price and not the miles I get out of them. True, I wish the tires would last longer on my F3-S but that is probably my fault more than anything else. Just remember that at some point after your 2nd or 3rd rear tire you should have your rear bearings inspected and potentially replaced.

I will be mounting my last Toyo Proxes 4 this summer at some point... I really wish they still made that tire.

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Originally Posted by WackyDan

Immediate difference.

This is all subjective based on the car tire you choose... but with the right car tires I've:

Had way better dry traction front and back
Had way better wet traction front and back
Had way better standing water performance front and back

The Kumho that I tried on the rear of my GS lasted 11k miles - about 1k more than the OEM Kendas. The Kuhmo was a fine touring tire, but overall it's dry and wet performance was pretty bad. Only benefit of the Kumho for me was even tread wear across the entire tire width.

On the GS fronts the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's were absolutely awesome.
On the GS the best rear I had was the Toyo Proxes 4 (no longer made). That tire was super sticky in the dry and it's wet and rain performance was incredible. Between a nail in one Toyo and selling the GS I never figured out what miles I could get to with the Toyo (on the GS)

On the F3-S I switched to the Federal Evos for the fronts. Did it early. Bit stickier than stock and better in the rain. I switched out the Kenda fronts at 4500 miles and to be honest I would have been ok keeping the OEM fronts, but decided to switch early.

On the F3-S rear I have once again a Toyo Proxes 4. My OEM Kenda was ready for replacement near 4500 miles. After 5500 on this current Toyo it looks like I might make 8k miles before needing a new rear. So I'm not getting great mileage out of the rears on the F3. I chalk that up to riding style. My Spyder doesn't do low heat around town puttering. When I ride I'm out for 8+ hours a day of riding twisties with hard braking and acceleration. No burnouts other than some wheel slip now and then.

Best advice? Any car tire is going to perform better than the Kendas and wear evenly. You may or may not get more miles out of the rear specifically. The Kumho is fine for many, but I suggest spending the extra $ on something better like the Yokohama s drive 205/50R15. It may even be in the same price range but people seem far happier with the Yokohama than the Kumho.

As for air pressure I'll only say you will find lots of opinions and a lot of apparent tire experts here. Yes the Spyder is lighter than a car and thus the tires aren't even pushing their load ratings. I've run 20-22 PSI on the fronts for thousands of miles with no issues and anywhere from 28-30 on the rear with no issues. You go too low of a PSI and the tire may create too much heat via sidewall flex and may break a bead in an abrupt swerve. Some here suggest some very low PSI in the tires.... "Tread" carefully... Get it? :)

I buy mine for performance and not price and not the miles I get out of them. True, I wish the tires would last longer on my F3-S but that is probably my fault more than anything else. Just remember that at some point after your 2nd or 3rd rear tire you should have your rear bearings inspected and potentially replaced.

I will be mounting my last Toyo Proxes 4 this summer at some point... I really wish they still made that tire.

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Dan, in all the Car tires I have used ( for the rear ) ...they have been in 16 to 18 PSI range ....well over 100,000 miles of riding ...... I have never had a tire even SLIP on the Rim let alone break a BEAD ....Over-inflating a Car tire ( for the Spyders weight ) is #1. - giving you less traction ...and #2. - a punishing ride..... This is tire Science not " what someones Butt told them " ...... To ALL those tire Science doubters just try this ..... On your Spyder , deflate a tire to about 5 psi ( this won't break the Bead on a parked machine ) ... now start IN-FLATING it, you can Actually see the tire FOOTPRINT getting smaller ....this begs the question - How can a smaller Footprint give better traction - Answer IT CAN'T..............and if you think it CAN - then you should " PROVE IT " ........ Mike :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911

Dan, in all the Car tires I have used ( for the rear ) ...they have been in 16 to 18 PSI range ....well over 100,000 miles of riding ...... I have never had a tire even SLIP on the Rim let alone break a BEAD ....Over-inflating a Car tire ( for the Spyders weight ) is #1. - giving you less traction ...and #2. - a punishing ride..... This is tire Science not " what someones Butt told them " ...... To ALL those tire Science doubters just try this ..... On your Spyder , deflate a tire to about 5 psi ( this won't break the Bead on a parked machine ) ... now start IN-FLATING it, you can Actually see the tire FOOTPRINT getting smaller ....this begs the question - How can a smaller Footprint give better traction - Answer IT CAN'T..............and if you think it CAN - then you should " PROVE IT " ........ Mike :thumbup:

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Prove what? What exactly are you asking me?

The answer is simple. At the same tire pressure the car tire will out perform stock kendas. You want to go lower fine, that is choice. I don't know how you ride Mike. I've met a lot of people that say they ride their spyder hard and then end up riding with them and find out their own perception of their riding style is not anywhere near reality. I've seen some people here suggest some pretty low psi numbers which quite frankly probably weren't safe for all riders and situations.

I'm well aware of what air pressure does for tires. I run my rock crawler at 3-5 psi per tire for traction, but I have dual beadlocks.

Again... not here to get in an internet pissing match.

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Originally Posted by WackyDan

This is all subjective based on the car tire you choose... but with the right car tires I've:

• Had way better dry traction front and back
• Had way better wet traction front and back
• Had way better standing water performance front and back

The Kumho that I tried on the rear of my GS lasted 11k miles - about 1k more than the OEM Kendas. The Kuhmo was a fine touring tire, but overall it's dry and wet performance was pretty bad. Only benefit of the Kumho for me was even tread wear across the entire tire width.

On the GS fronts the Bridgestone Potenza RE-92's were absolutely awesome.
On the GS the best rear I had was the Toyo Proxes 4 (no longer made). That tire was super sticky in the dry and it's wet and rain performance was incredible. Between a nail in one Toyo and selling the GS I never figured out what miles I could get to with the Toyo (on the GS)

On the F3-S I switched to the Federal Evos for the fronts. Did it early. Bit stickier than stock and better in the rain. I switched out the Kenda fronts at 4500 miles and to be honest I would have been ok keeping the OEM fronts, but decided to switch early.

On the F3-S rear I have once again a Toyo Proxes 4. My OEM Kenda was ready for replacement near 4500 miles. After 5500 on this current Toyo it looks like I might make 8k miles before needing a new rear. So I'm not getting great mileage out of the rears on the F3. I chalk that up to riding style. My Spyder doesn't do low heat around town puttering. When I ride I'm out for 8+ hours a day of riding twisties with hard braking and acceleration. No burnouts other than some wheel slip now and then.

Best advice? Any car tire is going to perform better than the Kendas and wear evenly. You may or may not get more miles out of the rear specifically. The Kumho is fine for many, but I suggest spending the extra $ on something better like the Yokohama s drive 205/50R15. It may even be in the same price range but people seem far happier with the Yokohama than the Kumho.

As for air pressure I'll only say you will find lots of opinions and a lot of apparent tire experts here. Yes the Spyder is lighter than a car and thus the tires aren't even pushing their load ratings. I've run 20-22 PSI on the fronts for thousands of miles with no issues and anywhere from 28-30 on the rear with no issues. You go too low of a PSI and the tire may create too much heat via sidewall flex and may break a bead in an abrupt swerve. Some here suggest some very low PSI in the tires.... "Tread" carefully... Get it? :)

I buy mine for performance and not price and not the miles I get out of them. True, I wish the tires would last longer on my F3-S but that is probably my fault more than anything else. Just remember that at some point after your 2nd or 3rd rear tire you should have your rear bearings inspected and potentially replaced.

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Thanks for sharing this info and perspective.

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Originally Posted by WackyDan

Prove what? What exactly are you asking me?

The answer is simple. At the same tire pressure the car tire will out perform stock kendas. You want to go lower fine, that is choice. I don't know how you ride Mike. I've met a lot of people that say they ride their spyder hard and then end up riding with them and find out their own perception of their riding style is not anywhere near reality. I've seen some people here suggest some pretty low psi numbers which quite frankly probably weren't safe for all riders and situations.

I'm well aware of what air pressure does for tires. I run my rock crawler at 3-5 psi per tire for traction, but I have dual beadlocks.

Again... not here to get in an internet pissing match.

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Dan I WASN'T asking ...YOU ...to prove anything AND I wasn't asking YOU ( personally ) .....anything .... the - " and if you think it can - then you should " PROVE It " ...the you here was generic for all the Science doubters that are extremely vocal and negative about Science ......... So you pretty much mis-understood what I was trying to convey :banghead::banghead::banghead: .......... When / if I decide to have a fight - I rarely start out by HELPING that person , which is what I was trying to do for You !!!!! ............... Mike :thumbup:

i use vredstein quatrac on my '13 rt-s and they are very good tires in quality and performance

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Originally Posted by SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN

i use vredstein quatrac on my '13 rt-s and they are very good tires in quality and performance

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Can you provide the size for front and back and how many miles you have on them. Thanks

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Originally Posted by Peteoz

Yeah, but it wasn’t any kind of scientific data on my part, Easy Rider, just seat of the pants stuff. ;)

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Sometimes that is better, sometimes it isn't.

Sometimes people "know" scientific data but don't understand how to use it correctly.

Sometimes they make stuff up and CALL it science.

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Originally Posted by WackyDan

Again... not here to get in an internet pissing match.

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He is still pissing about my statement that a smaller contact patch will have less tendency TO HYDROPLANE.
I did NOT say it was better for overall traction.....in any conditions.
Yet he continues to chase ghosts.

I run 25psi up front and 28psi in the back. Ride every day and experimented countless times, and measured heat signatures.

I personally do not like the soft shoe feel of 20psi, and 15psi was like a wet sock trying to just turn in my driveway. Just not for me and others that I know.

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Originally Posted by tehrlich

I run 25psi up front and 28psi in the back. Ride every day and experimented countless times, and measured heat signatures.

I personally do not like the soft shoe feel of 20psi, and 15psi was like a wet sock trying to just turn in my driveway. Just not for me and others that I know.

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Curiosity, but did you track and measure the heat differentials at differing inflation figures?

Many people actively advocate for lower inflation figures, but have not posted any temperatures. That's the biggest potential problem with under inflating the tires is heat build up. The old rule of thumb was to measure the temperature of the tire when cold and then when run up. If there's more than 2-3 psi difference, then you're under inflated.

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Originally Posted by KX5062

Curiosity, but did you track and measure the heat differentials at differing inflation figures?

Many people actively advocate for lower inflation figures, but have not posted any temperatures. That's the biggest potential problem with under inflating the tires is heat build up. The old rule of thumb was to measure the temperature of the tire when cold and then when run up. If there's more than 2-3 psi difference, then you're under inflated.

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Yes, I did. Discussed my findings, and the low pressure police wouldn't have any of it.