Has anybody who has installed EBC Brake Pads noticed an improvement in stopping power over OEM Brake Pads?
Has anybody who has installed EBC Brake Pads noticed an improvement in stopping power over OEM Brake Pads?
Yes.... I have been using them since BajaRon began selling them .... I just changed out my rear pads ( EBC ) on my 14 RT and got 44,000 mi. from that set ..... Mike :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
I put EBC pads on my F3S when my OEM's only had about 8K miles on them. After 8K miles, I can say that I think they're a slight improvement over OEM. I also think they're a touch noisier than OEM. Not squeal wise, just a bit on pad/rotor contact.
Since we have the same brakes as what are on Porsche cars, I doubt there is any better braking system than what is OEM. All the EBC pads do is damage the rotors scraping them raw.
The EBC pads should not be doing damage to your rotors. The embedded metal is a copper alloy. Much softer than the carbon steel used in the rotors. If you have experienced this effect, you may have some contamination embedded in your pads doing the damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamewinger
I did notice increased stopping power on my 2012 but then these are not the Brembo brakes. I did get a piece of a stone caught in the brake on one side that tore up one front rotor so replaced it with a pair of EBC rotors and also noticed better stopping as well as quicker recovery in repeated heavy stops with little heat build-up. I attribute this to the EBC rotors and pads dissipating the heat more efficiently. I didn't track the OEM wear life, but I am getting good wear life out of the EBC. They are also less expensive than the OEM pads. I do put a liberal amount of anti-squeal on the back of my pads on installation as well as the beveling and cut line that BajaRon recommends so I hear little if any noise.
:agree:with Ron and pegasus..... On my three Spyders I have 150,000 + mi. using EBC pads AND never experienced what you describe .... Nor have I heard on this Forum of anyone with your issue .... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
Having owned 2 small bikes and 5 Goldwings, I’ve never had to replace a rotor. Yet many on here do it all the time. I’ve tried EBC pads and hated the feel of them scraping the rotors. The idea that they have better stopping power is only an excuse to using cheaper parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
I’ll stick with Brembo pads as I did with Honda pads for over 500k miles.
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Originally Posted by Flamewinger
I dunno Ron, have you ever seen brake pads mounted backwards, ie with the metal/backing side in & scraping the crap outta the disc??! :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
Yeah, I know, surely stuffing as relatively simple a task as a pad change job up that much is just not possible.... :rolleyes: But I've learned over the years to NEVER underestimate the infinite and impossible ways the unknowing can stuff up a seemingly simple job!! :yikes:
So yeah, I've seen it, and Not just the ONCE, either!! :gaah:
Mind you, those ^^ instances were easier to fix than the one where the fella had taken an angle grinder to the caliper to make it go on all skew whiff - he'd seen some posts and utube vids where people suggested that either chamfering the pad's leading edge with a file, or slotting the pad with a hacksaw might reduce the squealing noise, so figured that he was better'n most & had a fine enough touch to do it with an angle grinder :rolleyes: but why do it to the pad and then hafta do it again with every pad change, when you could simply grind enough off the caliper itself to angle it on the disc & so never hafta do it ever again.... :banghead:
Only it took more grinding than he thought, and then it STILL didn't stop the squealing noise or make the brakes work any better.... in fact, they might've even been a bit worse! (ya think?! :gaah: )
That's where I came in - the call went something like.... "Can you fix it for me Peter, it shouldn't be too hard or expensive, they were working fine yesterday & all I did was try to change the pads....." And he rode it here - 30 odd miles thru the city, then another 20 or so on the freeway plus some more once he took my exit.... In the bloody traffic!! :shocked: :gaah: :banghead:
So these days, I really try hard NEVER to underestimate the infinite and impossible ways the unknowing can stuff up a seemingly simple job!! :yikes:
My analogy to the power of the EBC fully sintered pads and rotors is they'll stop you like the hand of God.
I don't know about more powerful , but they are definitely more quiet than the OEM pads.
Ever since I changed over to the EBC's I don't have the constant brake squeal that I had with the stock pads.
Never a squeal from the OEM (Brembo) pads. Over 60k miles.Quote:
Originally Posted by CloverHillCrawler
Good question. I invested in a full set, including rotors, from BajaRon, for just that reason. I don't have them installed yet, but will before any overnight camping trips pulling a loaded trailer; I didn't like the brake fade I was experiencing the last couple of times we did it, particularly in the mountains.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
The Brembo calipers are very good and the pads that come stock are also better than pad sets on the earlier Spyders. So, definite kudos to BRP for these improvements. Unfortunately, the OEM rotors have not seen any improvement from the originals. They are not of the best quality and are relatively soft. I've never seen anyone wear out an OEM rotor other than damage from pads worn to the steel backing plate or some form of pad contamination (like a pebble). But warpage is not uncommon.Quote:
Originally Posted by pegasus1300
The EBC rotors are a much better product. They not only improve stopping power, but I have never witnessed or heard of a Spyder owner warping one. I've had riders that warped as many as 3 OEM rotors, then purchase a set of EBC, and never have another issue. To me, this is a pretty good indication of quality.
It is also nice that you can get 2 EBC rotors for about the price of 1 BRP rotor. (No, Do Not Mix Rotors on the Front. You will get uneven stopping power which is not good. However, you can get an EBC rear rotor without getting EBC Fronts)
I've heard the argument of 'Cheaper indicating an inferior product'. And while this can certainly be true. It is not always. Sometimes it is an indication of an overpriced product. When I started making spark plug wire sets for the 998 from very high-quality racing wire & terminal ends. I got a few calls asking why they should buy my wire sets when the BRP wires were quite a bit more money. 'Doesn't that mean that your wires are inferior?', they would ask. My answer was always the same. (Tongue in cheek, of course)
'I am more than happy to charge you as much as it will take to make you feel better about your purchase.'
Sometimes you can get a better product for less money... if you're careful.
Reminds me of a saying regarding Westinghouse nuclear, "You can buy better, but you can't pay more."Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
That's kind of like the guy who says, 'I get to work late, but I make up for it by leaving early'.Quote:
Originally Posted by mark4Jesus
Flamewinger, That maybe your reasoning, it's not mine. I am glad you like your Brembo pads. I don't have Brembo brakes on my 2012 as I explained in my post. The BRP pads do not provide as much braking power as the EBC pads do and they fade quicker. I would buy the EBC pads if they were more expensive. I bought them when they didn't come with the clips. I am glad that now they do. And I am glad that Ron is willing to sell them to me a Reduced (from BRP) price. Cheaper is not necessarily inferior and in this case, they are definitely superior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamewinger
That would be a "hell yes" especially under heavy braking. Heat em up and they are awesome, but with better grip comes faster wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerchris1270
I played basketball at a small college and our motto was: "We might be short, but we're also slow"Quote:
Originally Posted by BajaRon
I just installed EBC's yesterday so I'm very interested to see how they do.
If you follow the "bedding-in" process exactly, you will be well rewarded with the EBC pads and rotors.
Simple answer is YES.
For those who have no idea of that process. Ya dont just swap em out and ride on. There is a process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfixer
Something like this will see ya right.
https://www.dbabrakes.eu/basic-initial-brake-bed-in
"Yes"Quote:
Originally Posted by bikerchris1270