MN. mall attack and stabings

[cuznjohn]

i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed

[cphillipsea1]

No one was killed thanks to him.


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[Ron2andia]

:agree:

[JerryB]

Hi cuznjohn,

Re: that more people need to carry guns.

I would appreciate it very much if you would not decide what I 'need' to do. I am all grown up now & can make those decisions for myself.

Jerry Baumchen

[Lew L]

At the NOrCal :spyder2: Ralley ( at lunch up at Bear Valley) the subject came up. I did not start it. I was asked by the wife of a retired policeman---" why to you carry? " My answer was-----" I won't be a victim" She then asked me ( while her hubby grimiced) --" what are you afraid of??" My simple answer----" Nothing" She had nothing else to say.

Yes I'm well aware that every round in my pistol has a lawyer attached to itnojoke. I would do my best to avoid having to present a weapon.

Kaos

[vided]

i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed


Totally :agree::agree:
instead of those come kill us " gun free zone" signs,
there should be "concealed carry WELCOME" signs
simple, but effective deterrent to lowlife attacks

edit: I perfer concealed carry, this way mr lowlife (or whatever) doesn't know who to target first.

[cuznjohn]

Hi cuznjohn,

Re: that more people need to carry guns.

I would appreciate it very much if you would not decide what I 'need' to do. I am all grown up now & can make those decisions for myself.

Jerry Baumchen

hey jerry, sorry you feel i singled you out. i know you seem to disagree with a few people on here, but i feel you have singled me out for some reason. you always have something to say about something i post, and i really feel bad about it. i will have to have extra sessions at my shrink now, and i might become shy on posting or answering posts, if you insist on picking on me. SO NOW I FEEL YOU SHOULD ADD ME TO YOUR IGNORE LIST, and stop picking on me. have a nice day

[ES44AC]

I try not to visit the " Kill for Free Zones ". There are very few places I don't carry . I choose to try my very best to protect my family ,not watch them die.

At least we don't have to pay to keep the scumbag alive, thanks to the mall cop.

[PrairieSpyder]

i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed

:agree:

[JerryB]

Hi cuznjohn,

Re: i singled you out

You did not 'single me out.' You made a post that told everyone what they 'need' to do.

That is simply wrong IMO. Had you said, 'I think . . . . ' I would not have made any reply.

As to your other comments, I think they are simply mis-directed.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) IMO in a decent world we can agree to disagree.

[Bob Denman]

jerry...
:lecturef_smilie: That's NOT what John said...

"i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed "

If you don't feel capable of handling what is a life-altering choice: don't carry! :thumbup:
One of us will be more than happy to protect you and yours. :D

As I said (at length!), in another thread; the choice to carry must be carefully considered...nojoke

[Bob Denman]

Awwww... lighten up a little bit! :D
After all, you came in here: what did you think that you would find? :dontknow:

[Orange Spyder Man]

I carry 24/7 because I am too old to take an ass whooping and I am too young to die... AND... I am going to do my dam best to prevent any dam pervert hurting my love ones.... :lecturef_smilie:

osm

[mowin]

Seems everyday I wish Lamont would just ditch this off topic crap section...More than enough places to find it if needed.

Very simple solution... Don't come to the off topic section.

But, why should Lamont ditch off topic when it's so popular? Should the complaints of a few out weight the majority? There are posts on here I do not agree with. Do I go post that the off topic be ditched because I didn't like it? Nope. I Just don't respond at all.

[Brettssunshine]

I have a house full of guns hidden so that no matter what room I'm in I have a weapon. I know how to use them all to protect my family and myself. Same holds true if I'm in public and can stop a bad situation. I'm a national and local member of the Well Armed Woman and am trying to learn everything I can about guns and gun handling.

People are too sensitive nowadays and take everything personally. Life is getting tougher and tougher and unfortunately children are being raised to be whiney, selfish, and incapable of surviving. My daughter is teaching my grandson, who is 8, how to handle and shoot guns. She is teaching him to respect them and all of the appropriate lessons of responsible gun ownership. People better start getting kids off electronics and teaching them how to survive. It may come down to survival of the fittest and most of the tree-huggers, millennials, and those that are overly sensitive are going to have a hard time.

[Bob Denman]

Honestly, I hit the "whats new" saw that title and had concerns about others being killed in this crazy world. Then to read about whether or not guns being carried is for others.

I guess Bob, for me coming here is for Spyders, if I could "ignore" the off topic I would.
However there is that rare off topic post that allows others to help others, and that I find surpasses all the bickering.

On a another topic how are you doing.

Thanks for asking...
We're actually not doing so great. nojoke
MY Dad (age 87), just had his bladder re-sectioned, in order to remove a tumor...

...and they found that it has already spread to his lymph system.
He's tough old bird, but this wasn't great news.

[GOZFST]

Thanks for asking...
We're actually not doing so great. nojoke
MY Dad (age 87), just had his bladder re-sectioned, in order to remove a tumor...

...and they found that it has already spread to his lymph system.
He's tough old bird, but this wasn't great news.
Sorry to hear that, best of luck to him.
And THANKS to that off duty officer who stopped the madman. Too bad he had to take a life, I hope he's OK.

[Uruzgan]

Me thinks it's more than just opening up a post and not finding it to ones sensibilities. If that were the case, a reasonable person would close out and move on the the next post. Most people do it all the time, I certainly do. there seems to be little logic in continuing to follow a thread that bothers you sooo much, that you eventually feel a need to inject your own post, that expresses your displeasure in its content. What's the point?

So I suggest, and only suggest, because I also don't want to be inaccurately accused of telling people what they should do; that next time you find a post you don't find palatable, then close it quickly and move onto the next post... Just a friendly point of view.

On on a more to more serious note... Bob, sorry to hear about your father. Hope The outcome is positive.

[Gray Ghost]

Bob, sorry about your dad.

on the original post, I heard an interesting story on the news yesterday. Seems that the police in St Cloud were touting that their response time was less than 5 minutes to stop the attack. Since it was an off duty cop from another jurisdiction I felt that was kind of misleading.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

cuz i might prefer you to say 'more qualified people should carry'.

[Bob Denman]

cuz i might prefer you to say 'more qualified people should carry'.

:D That's not bad: :agree: :clap:

[cuznjohn]

i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more qualified people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed

[wyliec]

[QUOTE=Uruzgan;1183362]Me thinks it's more than just opening up a post and not finding it to ones sensibilities. If that were the case, a reasonable person would close out and move on the the next post. Most people do it all the time, I certainly do. there seems to be little logic in continuing to follow a thread that bothers you sooo much, that you eventually feel a need to inject your own post, that expresses your displeasure in its content. What's the point?

/QUOTE]


I follow posts that I may not like, just to see a counterpoint. Why not? For example, the most recent one that seemed to get quite a few members hackles up was the football player. I actually thought it was a waste of time, for those that were irate b/c he didn't stand, to get their blood pressure up. Does that mean that only those that agreed with the original post should have followed it? But, I guess we could squabble over what a reasonable person is.

I say, read what you want and post what you want, whether negative or positive. If you don't like a post, and you want to continue to follow and comment, go for it.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

I am in favor of anything that can prevent that tragedy from happening, i would have no problem violating the civil rights
of the perp rather then jeopardize the life of a victim.
i am happy the lslamic terrorist is dead & only he.

[AY4B]

Its interesting that this was not even an issue that was debated 8 years ago. What Happened?

[Bob Denman]

Its interesting that this was not even an issue that was debated 8 years ago. What Happened?
If you're trying to start up another Pissing match over Politics: stop right now! :lecturef_smilie:
We're having enough fun fighting over the right to carry! :D

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

If you're trying to start up another Pissing match over Politics: stop right now! :lecturef_smilie:
We're having enough fun fighting over the right to carry! :D

YEA being a terminator you can carry plasma rifle

[jerpinoy]

The only thing I like is to ride my :ani29::spyder2: :yes:. There's is no end who got the biggest. largest, etcetera packages.

[bscrive]

While I was glad to hear that a cop was present to take down the perp, it is not a solution to have a bunch of armed people opening fire in a mall. I would bet that there would have been a lot more people hurt or killed the from stray bullets. Leave the job to the professionals, not wanna be dirty Harrys.

[cuznjohn]

While I was glad to hear that a cop was present to take down the perp, it is not a solution to have a bunch of armed people opening fire in a mall. I would bet that there would have been a lot more people hurt or killed the from stray bullets. Leave the job to the professionals, not wanna be dirty Harrys.

i do agree with you, but i have found that i calm down when i would carry my gun. i have thought about it becoming a western type shoot out, but with training before receiving a CCW permit, i am sure they can weed out the people that don't deserve or should no carry a gun

[lou49]

Seems everyday I wish Lamont would just ditch this off topic crap section...More than enough places to find it if needed.

:agree::agree:

[GOZFST]

While I was glad to hear that a cop was present to take down the perp, it is not a solution to have a bunch of armed people opening fire in a mall. I would bet that there would have been a lot more people hurt or killed the from stray bullets. Leave the job to the professionals, not wanna be dirty Harrys.
IF that off duty cop hadn't of been there would you like to have your wife wait the 10-15 minute response time for the police to show up? Not me.

[Bob Denman]

IF that off duty cop hadn't of been there would you like to have your wife wait the 10-15 minute response time for the police to show up? Not me.
They're from Ottawa: if it works for them up there... :thumbup:
But Canada and the United States DO have some differences in how things get done

"...wanna be dirty Harrys."

You're not serious; are you?

[Bob Denman]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/us/new-york-explosion-investigation/

[wyliec]

IF that off duty cop hadn't of been there would you like to have your wife wait the 10-15 minute response time for the police to show up? Not me.

I only have an ex, so, I'll say yes, if it were only her waiting.

[Bob Denman]

I only have an ex, so, I'll say yes, if it were only her waiting.
:yikes: Don't worry: we won't tell her that you said this! :D

[ARtraveler]

Glad to see and hear they got the perps. :thumbup:

[vided]

:yikes: Don't worry: we won't tell her that you said this! :D


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[bscrive]

They're from Ottawa: if it works for them up there... :thumbup:
But Canada and the United States DO have some differences in how things get done

"...wanna be dirty Harrys."

You're not serious; are you?


No Bob, that was said to drive home a point.

To me, the only people that should be carrying a gun are those that have specific training for this. While some would say that they go shooting all the time, it is a totally different thing shooting a paper target and shooting a person. Especially, if that person can shoot back. When the adrenaline is surging most people cannot focus properly and tunnel vision sets in. I see this all the time when I watch videos of shootings. The bullets are flying all over the place. Most will empty a magazine before they realize it. Sure, you can say that won't happen to me because I have training. Until you are put in that situation you really don't know. And, if you do kill an innocent then that will haunt you for the rest of your life. nojoke

[Bob Denman]

:D So with little or no firearms experience: you'll base your answer upon videos?? :roflblack::roflblack:

Situational awareness is a crutial ally when things start going "pear-shaped" around you... The person that can identify the problem the quickest, and come up with a workable plan; is the one that will prevail! nojoke

And I've said that carrying a sidearm clearly isn't for everyone. It comes with tremendous responsibilities, and can bear terrible consequences.

[bscrive]

:D So with little or no firearms experience: you'll base your answer upon videos?? :roflblack::roflblack:


Why do you assume I have little or no firearms experience??? Why, because I am Canadian??? You know what assumptions do don't you?

[Bob Denman]

:D I've been trying to find out where your perspective has come from... :D
RCMP? Mall Cop? Something in-between the two? :dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

You know what assumptions do don't you?
:D Of course I do! In fact: if I don't get accused of it on a daily basis: I worry that I might be doing something right! :roflblack:
So what experience do you bring to the table? :dontknow:
I know that I've got a lifetime of Firearms ownership, 25 years of being a New York State Sportsman's Education experience (Firearms and Archery), and over 20 years qualified as an NRA Firearms Instructor...

[TicketBait]

i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed


Hi cuznjohn,

Re: that more people need to carry guns.

I would appreciate it very much if you would not decide what I 'need' to do. I am all grown up now & can make those decisions for myself.

Jerry Baumchen


hey jerry, sorry you feel i singled you out. i know you seem to disagree with a few people on here, but i feel you have singled me out for some reason. you always have something to say about something i post, and i really feel bad about it. i will have to have extra sessions at my shrink now, and i might become shy on posting or answering posts, if you insist on picking on me. SO NOW I FEEL YOU SHOULD ADD ME TO YOUR IGNORE LIST, and stop picking on me. have a nice day

Jerry is not alone, very sarcastic response cuznjohn.



Hi cuznjohn,

Re: i singled you out

You did not 'single me out.' You made a post that told everyone what they 'need' to do.

That is simply wrong IMO. Had you said, 'I think . . . . ' I would not have made any reply.

As to your other comments, I think they are simply mis-directed.

Jerry Baumchen

PS) IMO in a decent world we can agree to disagree.


jerry...
:lecturef_smilie: That's NOT what John said...

"i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed "

If you don't feel capable of handling what is a life-altering choice: don't carry! :thumbup:
One of us will be more than happy to protect you and yours. :D

As I said (at length!), in another thread; the choice to carry must be carefully considered...nojoke

Sorry Bob, I don't want citizens or you to be the police force. I will take my chances with what is currently available.


Awwww... lighten up a little bit! :D
After all, you came in here: what did you think that you would find? :dontknow:

How about if the op had just commented on the incident and not his political opinion. No beef then.


Honestly, I hit the "whats new" saw that title and had concerns about others being killed in this crazy world. Then to read about whether or not guns being carried is for others.

I guess Bob, for me coming here is for Spyders, if I could "ignore" the off topic I would.
However there is that rare off topic post that allows others to help others, and that I find surpasses all the bickering.

On a another topic how are you doing.


Very simple solution... Don't come to the off topic section.

But, why should Lamont ditch off topic when it's so popular? Should the complaints of a few out weight the majority? There are posts on here I do not agree with. Do I go post that the off topic be ditched because I didn't like it? Nope. I Just don't respond at all.

Seriously mowin, this is Spyderlovers, and as members we have the expectation of No pornography, No religious beliefs, and No political agendas, and not speaking ill of our fellow members. And if you don't respond to something that you don't like and it's not one of those 4 topics (and maybe there are more) then thats your choice. But don't tell us we can't and we should stay away of off topics. This is about civilized dialogue, and we are not always going to agree.
But there are many other forums where they encourage people to give their opinion on all the politics etc. Just Spyderlovers isn't the place and lately I have observed many times inflammatory statements that are usually in the off topic section. I am not going to most likely ever change someone else mind on here just as much as they are not going to change mine. So whats the point


i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone, i am posting this just to prove a point, that more qualified people need to carry guns. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed You are unintentionally (maybe or maybe not) bashing the people that feel that more guns is not the answer!

Had you said this:
i am not posting this to say it is terrorism or to bash anyone,. the perp was taken down by a off duty police officer, lucky he was there, and lucky he had his gun with him. if the officer wasn't there, many more people could of been hurt or killed

All would be fine, and as we find out, it was terrorism.

Spyderlovers, as we get closer to election, let us not turn "off topics" into a political jab on every occurrence, very easy to do, Think before you post. Instead go to websites where your political opinions can be heard, and you can get into some real name calling and put downs with sound bites etc., and often times welcomed. But do exercise your right to VOTE :cheers:

[Bob Denman]

I.ve got to admit: it's pretty tough to argue with your comment about voting! :thumbup:

[cuznjohn]

Jerry is not alone, very sarcastic response cuznjohn.






Sorry Bob, I don't want citizens or you to be the police force. I will take my chances with what is currently available.



How about if the op had just commented on the incident and not his political opinion. No beef then.





Seriously mowin, this is Spyderlovers, and as members we have the expectation of No pornography, No religious beliefs, and No political agendas, and not speaking ill of our fellow members. And if you don't respond to something that you don't like and it's not one of those 4 topics (and maybe there are more) then thats your choice. But don't tell us we can't and we should stay away of off topics. This is about civilized dialogue, and we are not always going to agree.
But there are many other forums where they encourage people to give their opinion on all the politics etc. Just Spyderlovers isn't the place and lately I have observed many times inflammatory statements that are usually in the off topic section. I am not going to most likely ever change someone else mind on here just as much as they are not going to change mine. So whats the point

You are unintentionally (maybe or maybe not) bashing the people that feel that more guns is not the answer!

Had you said this:

All would be fine, and as we find out, it was terrorism.

Spyderlovers, as we get closer to election, let us not turn "off topics" into a political jab on every occurrence, very easy to do, Think before you post. Instead go to websites where your political opinions can be heard, and you can get into some real name calling and put downs with sound bites etc., and often times welcomed. But do exercise your right to VOTE :cheers:

glad you saw i was being sarcastic, i tried hard to be that way

[GOZFST]

No Bob, that was said to drive home a point.

To me, the only people that should be carrying a gun are those that have specific training for this. While some would say that they go shooting all the time, it is a totally different thing shooting a paper target and shooting a person. Especially, if that person can shoot back. When the adrenaline is surging most people cannot focus properly and tunnel vision sets in. I see this all the time when I watch videos of shootings. The bullets are flying all over the place. Most will empty a magazine before they realize it. Sure, you can say that won't happen to me because I have training. Until you are put in that situation you really don't know. And, if you do kill an innocent then that will haunt you for the rest of your life. nojoke
In one study of NY Police involved shootings, they hit their suspect 18% of the time. I have shot competitively for over 30 years and can with very few exceptions say I'd never want to count on the officers I shot with to protect me. I have a good friend who is a former trainer for the air marshal service and he is the rare exception. Like Bob said if it works for in Canada good for you.

[Orange Spyder Man]

"more peaceful immigrants" ... when will our government realize ?

osm

[Peteoz]

I hope they never decide to ban off topic forums or threads like this. As long as I am pragmatic and disregard the emotion as much as possible, I can pick up so many different pro and con viewpoints that have never crossed my mind.

Ten years ago, I laughed at the apparent "Wild West" mentality of the US, as did so many others. Through forums like this, I now have a much better understanding of what lies behind the inadequate Australian news reports that are foisted on us......and I can understand and appreciate both points of view.

If I don't like a thread for whatever reason I don't read it......easy!

Thanks Cuznjohn.

Pete