water wetter for cooling

[irvin48]

so, has anyone experimented with any of the water wetter type of products
for more cooling efficiency? lots of brands ,same basic idea.
i know , more snake oil. all gurus chime in. :bowdown:
thank you--irv toms

[spyderCodes]

I'm not a guru but I found in my previous ryde (2010RT) waterless coolant worked really well.
No pressure.
I have absolutely no idea if it could damage anything.
I ran it for 6K with good results but I would consider it experimental in a Rotax

amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Evans-Cooling-EC53001-Performance-Waterless/dp/B00TPVI2TQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464893905&sr=8-1&keywords=waterless+coolant)

[blacklightning]

Not sure about the spyder, but I used it in a built 440 in my 73 road runner, and also in my built, and nitrous injected 94 cobra. I swear by it for performance vehicles that need every bit of extra to keep them cool.

[Chupaca]

I have used it for some time. should work well in your climate. Having been in hot climets most of the time I run a 75/25 ratio coolant with water wetter as an additive. I don't tend to change what works but know there are a lot of new products out there. i think even the 1330 motor has a differnt coolant now...:dontknow:

[Sam Mac]

I used it in my race cars. Good for about a 20 degrees temp drop. :thumbup:

[jcthorne]

Water Wetter and other surface tension reduction agents DO work to increase heat transfer between metal and water.

That said, the cooling system in the Spyder is not limited by metal to coolant hear transfer. Its limited by the thermostat and fan on set point. IE adding a larger cooling capacity will not result in the spyder running any cooler. its temp is correctly controlled by the thermostat and fan controller.

The wetting agents work in race cars and other high performance vehicles where the cooling system is not sufficient to keep up with the heat generated by the high horsepower engines. This is simply not the case for the Spyder.

If you have a spyder that is overheating, its not a problem with the coolant (well could be the lack of it). Its a problem with something wrong in the system. Stuck thermostat, plugged radiator, collapsed hose, failed water pump etc. Fix the problem, not the symptom.

So not snake oyl, but not a product that can do the Spyder any good either. Or at least near stock HP Spyders.

[bluestratos]

I used it in my 2011 as a precaution since the bike ran hot. However, the 2014 is very well cooled and does not need it. As they say, if its not broke don't fix, applies here.

They do work though, I tested before and after and there was a significant lowering of the block temperature. The chemicals in water wetter allow more of the water to contact the rad cooling tubes which speeds the transfer of heat to the cooling fins on the radiator.

[grumpybob]

I used it in my 2009 GS. Seemed to bring the temp. down a bit. As a pre-caution it does change the antifreeze percentage, take that into consideration if you live in a cold spot.

[Bob Denman]

I used Engine Ice, in my heavily-modified ATV: a 2006 Yamaha Grizzly 660, that we "686ed"...
ATVs have to suffer in the worst possible conditions, in which to keep an engine cool... nojoke
The radiators are usually clogged with mud, and you're never going anywhere fast enough to get enough airflow anyway...:shocked:
Through in the heavy loads on the engine, and it's hard to see how you're not boiling over all of the time.
The Engine Ice lowered the coolant temperatures by over twenty degrees, and I was VERY satisfied with the results. :2thumbs:

[asp125]

Wetting agents work, by slowing down the rate of heating. But in the end your cooling system as mentioned is set for your thermostat and radiator cap settings. So you will still get as hot, just not as quickly. I've had to use water wetter on the race bike because it's non glycol based, unlike normal store bought antifreeze which makes a slippery mess if spilled.

[Highwayman2013]

I use water wetter but the 2013 scoops did more for heat.

[garb55]

so, has anyone experimented with any of the water wetter type of products
for more cooling efficiency? lots of brands ,same basic idea.
i know , more snake oil. all gurus chime in. :bowdown:
thank you--irv toms

Your sig. shows you have tow 1330 Spiders
the cooling system on both bikes should be more than enough to keep engine cool even in the hottest weather

[hondagal]

Water Wetter is not added to existing antifreeze, it is a stand alone alternative after the antifreeze is fully flushed and removed from the bike.

We've used it in our track bikes as antifreeze is dangerously slippery if it is spilled on the track and some racetracks require no antifreeze.

The only issue is that WW can freeze so here in the NE it gets removed before the temps drop and replaced with antifreeze during winter storage. In the spring, the antifreeze is removed and replaced with WW.

Hope this helps.

[irvin48]

so what is the factory mix ratio as delivered from valhalla ,
water to antifreeze? good enough for cold midwest winter storage ?

[TerryTheSpyderRyder]

Has anyone tried Evans PowerSports waterless coolant in their Spyders? I was thinking about trying it. Also, unlike Water Wetter it is not supposed to freeze. You can put it in and forget about it.

[jcthorne]

Has anyone tried Evans PowerSports waterless coolant in their Spyders? I was thinking about trying it. Also, unlike Water Wetter it is not supposed to freeze. You can put it in and forget about it.

Depends on what you want it for. It does have a higher boiling point and can operate without a pressure cap. It also tends to last longer than glycol / water mix coolant. The down side is it has a lower heat capacity per unit volume. IE the net result is a cooling system that was near capacity with water, will run much hotter with Evans. May or may not boil as the evans has a higher boiling point. If the change in capacity is less than they excess the system had before the change, there will be a net zero change, the thermostat will simply stay open longer and the fan will run longer but the temp will still be controlled.

Evans has its place, but I really see no advantage to it in a street driven Spyder.

[irvin48]

Your sig. shows you have tow 1330 Spiders
the cooling system on both bikes should be more than enough to keep engine cool even in the hottest weather

no. i have a 15 rts with F3 wheels on it. sorry for the confusion.

[spyderCodes]

Has anyone tried Evans PowerSports waterless coolant in their Spyders? I was thinking about trying it. Also, unlike Water Wetter it is not supposed to freeze. You can put it in and forget about it.

I ran it as an experiment on my 2010RT.

While running beside my wife's 2012RT the coolant gauge showed a small but real lower temperature (previous to switching to Evans they ran identically).

Was it worth the conversion?

No, probably not.