Spyder question

[danielnor123]

Hello I have 2009 Can Am Spyder RSS SM5 manual transmission with a power commander and a two brothers exhaust on it. I took the spyder into the dealer today to get the codes read, and the dealer read the codes and stated to me that the codes all occurred and were not active. But, here are the codes and the main problem I have is that the spyder will say “hi temp” and then go into “limp home mode” while on the freeway (not while in idle), I can pull over for about 10 seconds and it will go back to normal operating temperature. Since I got the codes read I think the issue can be fixed, but does anyone have any ideas?



code
state
module
count
total time
description


p0130
occurred
ECM
1
1070h55
02 Sensor circuit no activity detected


p0170
occurred
ECM
255
1070h55
Lambda regulation high limit


p0170
occurred
ECM
3
1070h55
Lambda regulation: temporary adaptation +/- %


p0600
occurred
ECM
11
1070h55
Communication fault with VCM, no response


p0600
occurred
ECM
1
1070h55
Communication fault with Cluster, no response


p2545
occurred
ECM
5
1070h55
VSS Failure


p2545
occurred
ECM
5
1070h55
VSS light on


0122
occurred
DPS
N/A

N/A VCM Communication Fault


C0061
occurred
VCM
1

N/A Lateral Acceleration Sensor Failure


P1116 occurred ECM 123 1070h55 Engine Overheat

[DrewNJ]

Is it actually overheating, or are your temps normal and just throwing an overheat code?
Your lamda codes also make me think you have a failing o2 sensor.
The random loss of coms to the cluster, vss, stability codes I've seen a few times and suspect a battery getting weak. Unless you've had things apart recently.

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[SteveP]

I replaced my O2 sensor when it threw a few codes as well as oil pressure sensor , runs great now .... So far

[danielnor123]

Is it actually overheating, or are your temps normal and just throwing an overheat code?
Your lamda codes also make me think you have a failing o2 sensor.
The random loss of coms to the cluster, vss, stability codes I've seen a few times and suspect a battery getting weak. Unless you've had things apart recently.

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No it is not overheating.

[danielnor123]

Is it actually overheating, or are your temps normal and just throwing an overheat code?
Your lamda codes also make me think you have a failing o2 sensor.
The random loss of coms to the cluster, vss, stability codes I've seen a few times and suspect a battery getting weak. Unless you've had things apart recently.

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I also just replaced my battery.

[danielnor123]

Is it actually overheating, or are your temps normal and just throwing an overheat code?
Your lamda codes also make me think you have a failing o2 sensor.
The random loss of coms to the cluster, vss, stability codes I've seen a few times and suspect a battery getting weak. Unless you've had things apart recently.

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Where do I find the 02 Sensor?

[DrewNJ]

The O2 sensor is on the exhaust pipe. Its on the bottom of the Spyder right where the exhaust transitions from 2 pipes into 1.

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[danielnor123]

The O2 sensor is on the exhaust pipe. Its on the bottom of the Spyder right where the exhaust transitions from 2 pipes into 1.

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P1116 code, do you know the part number I need?

[DrewNJ]

No clue. That's an odd one. Throwing a code for overheating but not overheating and no signs of it on the gauge? Odd for sure.



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[DrewNJ]

If it were mine I'd bypass the power commander and see if you still throw codes....but I'm completely guessing...

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[danielnor123]

If it were mine I'd bypass the power commander and see if you still throw codes....but I'm completely guessing...

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This is what I found concerning P1116 Eng Coolant Temp Sig Unstable or Interm, is there some sensor for the coolant system?

[spyderCodes]

In this case P1116 could be a cascade code.

I'd knock down the others before I go too excited about it.

[danielnor123]

In this case P1116 could be a cascade code.

I'd knock down the others before I go too excited about it.

What do you mean? I had a battery that failed and replaced it a while ago.

[spyderCodes]

Someitmes in the complexity of the trouble codes extraneous codes are generated.
This is known as a code cascade.
I would handle the Ox sensor problem first.

[danielnor123]

Someitmes in the complexity of the trouble codes extraneous codes are generated.
This is known as a code cascade.
I would handle the Ox sensor problem first.

What about the pressure and temp sensor (part number 707000995) do you think that could be the reason for P1116?

[DrewNJ]

I wouldn't suspect that sensor for an engine temp code.
That sensor measures air temp/pressure for fueling.

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[DrewNJ]

Normally I might suspect an engine temp sensor, but your saying you saw no overheat on the gauge?

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[finless]

With all those different codes especially the communication codes, I would suspect a bad battery or ground connection.
You say battery was just replaced? Who replaced it? You may want to check your battery connection and the frame ground connection.

Bob

[Chupaca]

i would check the power commander and see what is hooked up to the o2 sensor. Some fuel controlers required their own o2 senor there could be some miscommunications going on there. Is the engine overheating or is the air going into the throttle bodies hotter than normal. :dontknow:

[danielnor123]

i would check the power commander and see what is hooked up to the o2 sensor. Some fuel controlers required their own o2 senor there could be some miscommunications going on there. Is the engine overheating or is the air going into the throttle bodies hotter than normal. :dontknow:

No the bike doesn't actually overheat, the engine doesn't overheat either. I can be travelling at about 60 mph, it will then send the temp gauge into "hi temp", then it says "limp home mode" with engine light flashing. I can pull off the road for about 10-20 seconds, restart the bike and it is back to normal operating temperature.

[danielnor123]

With all those different codes especially the communication codes, I would suspect a bad battery or ground connection.
You say battery was just replaced? Who replaced it? You may want to check your battery connection and the frame ground connection.

Bob

This was happening before I even replaced the battery.

[danielnor123]

Normally I might suspect an engine temp sensor, but your saying you saw no overheat on the gauge?

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Scenario: I can be travelling on the freeway about 60 MPH, while travelling the temp gauge will slowly move up, and eventually go into "hi temp" then "limp home mode", I can pull over for about 10-20 seconds and restart the bike and the temp will be normal.

[danielnor123]

i would check the power commander and see what is hooked up to the o2 sensor. Some fuel controlers required their own o2 senor there could be some miscommunications going on there. Is the engine overheating or is the air going into the throttle bodies hotter than normal. :dontknow:

Scenario: I can be travelling on the freeway about 60 MPH, while travelling the temp gauge will slowly move up, and eventually go into "hi temp" then "limp home mode", I can pull over for about 10-20 seconds and restart the bike and the temp will be normal.

[Chupaca]

Maybe have the thermostat checked and the temp sending unit...nothing motorized can cool down that fast...sensor can .....

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[danielnor123]

Maybe have the thermostat checked and the temp sending unit...nothing motorized can cool down that fast...sensor can .....


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These are all the sensors on my spyder I can think of, which one you think needs to be replaced?


707600557 (oxygen sensor)
710002051 (yaw angel sensor)
709400799 (sensor support)
515176508 (oil level sensor)
707000995 (pressue and temperature sensor)
420664045 (camshaft position sensor)
420274040 (temperature sensor)

[danielnor123]

Maybe have the thermostat checked and the temp sending unit...nothing motorized can cool down that fast...sensor can .....

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I need these sensor's I think:
707600557 (oxygen sensor)
707000995 (pressue and temperature sensor)
420274040 (temperature sensor)

[ThreeWheels]

With all those different codes especially the communication codes, I would suspect a bad battery or ground connection.
You say battery was just replaced? Who replaced it? You may want to check your battery connection and the frame ground connection.

Bob

My first thought as well.
This many codes are probably all generated by the same cause, most likely a poor ground somewhere.
I would be strongly guided by finless Bob. He has a powerful skill set.
Check the connections he's suggesting. Also make sure all the relays and fuses are driven home into their sockets.

[danielnor123]

My first thought as well.
This many codes are probably all generated by the same cause, most likely a poor ground somewhere.
I would be strongly guided by finless Bob. He has a powerful skill set.
Check the connections he's suggesting. Also make sure all the relays and fuses are driven home into their sockets.

How do you check to see if the spyder is grounded?

[Bfromla]

How do you check to see if the spyder is grounded?

Good question the trailer modules also seem to have grounding problems. But wit all the code listed im wondering if BRP has built or programmed something to not like the power commander, or other after market non BRP stuff............¿?

[danielnor123]

Good question the trailer modules also seem to have grounding problems. But wit all the code listed im wondering if BRP has built or programmed something to not like the power commander, or other after market non BRP stuff............¿?

I just replaced the oxygen sensor and temperature sensor, and their is no change in bike. I ride, get up to 60 MPH and it goes into hi temp then limp home mode, I shut off the bike and turn it on and back to normal operating temperature.

I don't know what it could be, changed the sensors and I wonder if it is the power commander, if it is how do I shut off the power commander?

[Bfromla]

Honestly dont know it sounds more like complications BRP engineered to keep from using performance enhancing power commander..... Hope not but proprietary has become the front line for most manufactures now.


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