Dead Spyder

[jthornton]

My Spyder died on the I-310 bridge yesterday... here are all the symptoms I can remember. First sign of trouble I put it in reverse backed up a bit then it didn't go back into gear, no clunk nothing... then I gave it a bit of gas and got a clunk and it was in gear. I rode the rest of the day with no issues. Sunday morning I came to a stop light and the clutch didn't disengage fully and it was pulling so I put it in neutral and a bit of smoke came out the right side. The oil can came on so I stopped a few hundred yards later and added a bit of oil and checked it was full. Started up the bridge and the oil can came back on and so did limp mode. I had to keep going as the bridge was under destruction and no place to pull off. I finally limped to the other side and was not sounding good by the time I stopped. While waiting for the rescue team to arrive we tried to push it back some to give them a place to pull off in front but it was very hard to push and it was in neutral and the parking brake was off and I checked it to be sure.

Edit: I forgot one important detail, the oil tank was full to the top when I checked after crossing the bridge.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Since it wasn't, "sounding good"; this isn't just an electrical sensor thing going on... :shocked:
I'm just guessing right now; but I'd take a look at the oil pump.
That would obviously impact the engine and transmission...
Please let us know what you find, and Good Luck! http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=126229&stc=1

[Tango]

Not what I expected to read first thing in the morning. :gaah: No oil pressure? Pump? Glad you weren't injured being on an interstate. Hope you have a good dealer to diagnose the problem. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[Tango]

Bob you beat me to it. We must have been linked by mental telepathy. :roflblack::roflblack: Tom :spyder:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Tom, Were that the case; I'd feel really bad for what you have to suffer through... :shocked:

JT... Any other indications as to what might have happened?

[jthornton]

:shocked: Tom, Were that the case; I'd feel really bad for what you have to suffer through... :shocked:

JT... Any other indications as to what might have happened?

At this point I suspect a clog or something restricting the suction of the oil pump, or the oil pump itself failed. See the edit above about the oil tank being full to the top.

I purchased the RT on 2-21-13 so I suspect the warranty is gone and I didn't get the extended warranty so this one is up to me to fix. I do have a good dealer about 75 miles away and an untested dealer here in town.

JT

[IGETAROUND]

OMG, JT I'm feeling your pain, hope this turns out to be something minor; keep us posted as you can.:yikes::yikes::yikes:

Al

[Chupaca]

From the last footnote I would say that the return from the oil tank is blocked for some reason. The oil light indicating an oil pressure issue from lack of oil which is now all in the tank and not flowing back to the engine. Have you cleaned the filter screen in the tank..?? I would start there pump seems to be pumping or the tank would be low. Smoke may be from the overflow on the oil tank....

[jthornton]

From the last footnote I would say that the return from the oil tank is blocked for some reason. The oil light indicating an oil pressure issue from lack of oil which is now all in the tank and not flowing back to the engine. Have you cleaned the filter screen in the tank..?? I would start there pump seems to be pumping or the tank would be low. Smoke may be from the overflow on the oil tank....

That sounds logical to me. I assumed the oil pump sucked from the tank by the pressure pump and a scavenging pump emptied the crankcase. Just doing a quick look at the service manual I see the scavenging pump and oil pump in the motor as well as the tank screen. The Spyder is still down on the Bayou, I'll make the 1160 mile round robin road trip tomorrow to retrieve the sick Spyder.

[Chupaca]

First motor I have had with the outside oil tank so not that familiar with it but from the oil measuring system I would say a good part of it is gravity. The screen is very fine mesh . When you get to her next re check the level and if it is down you can confirm...long drive be safe

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[Lew L]

Good luck and save traveling. Hope this is an easy fix and no permanant damage.

Kaos

[Ex-Rocket]

JT, If you need any help I'm free and can get you if needed. Just let me know.

[Frank G]

My thought process thinks that a clutch plate disintegrated, plugged the oil system which caused oil starvation and more than likely messed up the motor bearings and other components.

Wish you the best of luck, I'm in the same boat you are, without warrentee, just crossed fingers.

By the way, I continuously see salvaged motors on e-bay, might be the cheapest way out.

[billybovine]

I assume you have a RT, 998 engine, SE5 model. Please correct me if any details are not correct.

When you say the oil tank was full to the top. Do you mean to the full mark on the dipstick or overfull to the top of the tank?

Low engine oil pressure can be caused by a blocked oil filter or screen. Leak in the suction line, sucking air. A large internal oil leak. The composite drive gears to the oil pump failed. Rare but has happened. You have already ruled out low oil level.

Smoke on the right side may point to an external oil leak but it can't be very big. I find that symptom curious.

Also I find curious is the shifting and clutch symptoms. The HCM does use engine oil to shift gears and operate the clutch. But it is a separate system with it's own oil pump.

Sorry this happened. Please keep us informed how this turns out.

[IGETAROUND]

For WIW; from the maintenance manual for cleaning of the oil tank strainer: clean and inspect every 14,000 miles or two years.

Hope that this was not the proximate cause of your breakdown. :yikes:

Al

[Snowbelt Spyder]

That sounds logical to me. I assumed the oil pump sucked from the tank by the pressure pump and a scavenging pump emptied the crankcase. Just doing a quick look at the service manual I see the scavenging pump and oil pump in the motor as well as the tank screen. The Spyder is still down on the Bayou, I'll make the 1160 mile round robin road trip tomorrow to retrieve the sick Spyder.

Well, this sucks.

I believe you have the correct idea of the functions of the pressure pump and the scavenging pump. Since you have a service manual, take a look at the section on the SE5 clutch. The clutch is kinda like two subassemblies. A pressure plate - friction plate section that is operated by a piston with oil pressure from the HCM, and a centrifugal clutch section. As you described this problem, it seemed as though the centrifugal clutch operation was the first indication that something was wrong. And so at this point, who knows what disintegrated clutch parts started getting pumped around in your oil system. The clutch cover and oil line to the clutch piston is on the right hand side of the motor. Possible source of the smoke. Perhaps both filters are clogged as well.

[ARtraveler]

I cannot offer any more mechanical advice other than what has been posted above.

Let us know how this plays out. Good information to know. :thumbup:

[jthornton]

JT, If you need any help I'm free and can get you if needed. Just let me know.

Thanks for the offer, my buddy is retired and is free so I'm picking him up to help with the driving (all I had to do was buy him lunch today). We leave at 3am for Raceland.

JT

[jthornton]

For WIW; from the maintenance manual for cleaning of the oil tank strainer: clean and inspect every 14,000 miles or two years.

Hope that this was not the proximate cause of your breakdown. :yikes:

Al


I had not quite reached the 14k mark but would have been close enough for the service when I returned from Raceland.

JT

[jthornton]

Well, this sucks.

I believe you have the correct idea of the functions of the pressure pump and the scavenging pump. Since you have a service manual, take a look at the section on the SE5 clutch. The clutch is kinda like two subassemblies. A pressure plate - friction plate section that is operated by a piston with oil pressure from the HCM, and a centrifugal clutch section. As you described this problem, it seemed as though the centrifugal clutch operation was the first indication that something was wrong. And so at this point, who knows what disintegrated clutch parts started getting pumped around in your oil system. The clutch cover and oil line to the clutch piston is on the right hand side of the motor. Possible source of the smoke. Perhaps both filters are clogged as well.

The smoke seemed more like a bit of oil hit one of the exhaust pipes as it didn't last long.

JT

[Vidman]

Hey Cuz,

Sorry to hear this. I think you are going about it correctly. First thing I would check is the filter/screen for clogging. Here's hoping it's that simple/cheap. Good luck.

Chuck

[oldguyinTX]

It can't hurt to try and get a "goodwill gesture" from BRP to get this fixed at no cost to you. They have been known to do this in the past for repairs on Spyders that are out of warranty. As my dad always said, "You can't get what you don't ask for". Good luck to you.

[Bob Denman]

:agree: it cant' hurt to ask; Good luck!! :thumbup:

[jtpollock]

:yikes::banghead::gaah:I feel your pain! but you don't have enough miles to be having problems,
these things are just full of bug's sorry to here hope all works out.... jtpollock

[spyderCodes]

Here's hoping that it's just an oil screen clog that can be remedied quickly.
And I am keeping good thoughts.

However I doubt it.
The low pressure (oil can) screen has a really low threshold due to the value of oil pressure switch.
I think it's on the order of 5 to 8 psi which basically means if there is that little oil pressure by the time you see it and react it's game over.
It's difficult for me to see how the oil screen could be clogged with only 14K on the clock.
I 'm sure it has had at least one oil change(probably 3).
So, that leaves the oil pump going south.
But a bad oil pump doesn't really explain the full oil tank either.
It sounds like the pickup from the tank was blocked somewhere in the line.
There is a rubber hose that connects the oil tank to the engine and that might have been kinked or obstructed.
All of the above causes really suck.

[Dan McNally]

So sorry to read about this. I didn't get the extended warranty, either, when I first purchased - but after watching this website for a few months, I sprang for one - and it paid for itself, last Fall.

I won't own one, without a warranty, after that - they are beyond my feeble brain to maintain.

I agree with the folks who are suggesting you ask BRP to step up - it isn't like you have 80,000 on it.

[bmccaffrey]

I agree with the warranty part.
Cleaning the screen at 14000 is ridiculous. Understand preventive .

With todays oils and filters. Will not check mine as many others here have not

If it's plugged other issues.

Jt your the man that will figure it out. Keep us posted

[DrewNJ]

Drop the oil and filters and see whatcha find....I'm guessing clutch.

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[Bobleach45]

This is why this forum is so great, lots of people willing to share knowledgeable thoughts and people that care about others. I can't add anything but best wishes for a safe recovery mission and we'll all be looking forward to hearing the conclusion to the saga.

[Bfromla]

This is why this forum is so great, lots of people willing to share knowledgeable thoughts and people that care about others. I can't add anything but best wishes for a safe recovery mission and we'll all be looking forward to hearing the conclusion to the saga.
:agree: But do feel a need for a certified tech to help chime in:firstplace: :chat:
HAY BRP :hun: That would be good part of customer service accomplished with minimal effort. We customers dont need to learn through pain & expense. The dealerships know how to help :p Why not the manufacturer?:dontknow: (Sending the surveys:banghead:)

[jthornton]

Today's update: Step 2 get the Spyder home... done! 1,162 miles in 18 1/2 hours. I think I'll take a nap today but first I have to get the Spyder off the trailer and into the garage before the rains start.

JT

[Bob Denman]

Glad to hear that you made it home safely; rest up! :thumbup:

[jthornton]

Well, I just got off the phone with the Dealer and can you believe this I must have purchased the extended warranty at some time because it is a $50 deductible till 3-18! We have some bad weather coming today but when it passes I'll haul it up to them. :)

JT

[billybovine]

Good to hear. The 3rd year extra warranty is such a popular promotional item. It's hard to buy a Spyder that does not have that.

[Bob Denman]

:yes::yes::yes::yes: WOO-HOO!!!

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=126369&stc=1

[jtoro1]

I would suggest to purchase another extended warranty these bikes can be expensive too fix I am going to get another Zurich warranty,when mine is up in 2018

[Dan McNally]

Really glad to hear about the warranty! They are well worth the cost!

[revjvegas]

Glad to hear the good news on the ext warranty.

Fingers crossed for you they get her done in time for SpyderFest.

[oldguyinTX]

Great News!! $50 out of pocket is way better than what would surely have been big bucks. Now, playing devil's advocate, what about getting home, going back, hauling it home, gas, hotel, etc.? Talked to a guy a couple of years ago that had the engine on a 2014 RT blow up on the way home from SpyderFest. Long story short, BRP paid for the tow back to Springfield (not BRP Roadside Assistance, which bites) , 2 nights in a hotel, and replaced the engine. Best of all possible outcomes for him. That is what customer service is all about. BRP should do more of this.

[Buggy]

That's what I like.....the makings of a happy ending!:yes::yes:

[Kwalsh]

My rule of thumb is if it's more than I make in a month I buy any warranty I can, I hope you have a quick and painless resolution for you.

Good luck

[Empty Pockets]

JT

Glad to hear you made it home safely both times. even better to hear that you have the extended warranty. I'm guessing you took it up to Midwest in Farmington?

[jthornton]

JT

Glad to hear you made it home safely both times. even better to hear that you have the extended warranty. I'm guessing you took it up to Midwest in Farmington?

Yep, dropped it off at Midwest Friday.

JT

[jthornton]

Great News!! $50 out of pocket is way better than what would surely have been big bucks. Now, playing devil's advocate, what about getting home, going back, hauling it home, gas, hotel, etc.? Talked to a guy a couple of years ago that had the engine on a 2014 RT blow up on the way home from SpyderFest. Long story short, BRP paid for the tow back to Springfield (not BRP Roadside Assistance, which bites) , 2 nights in a hotel, and replaced the engine. Best of all possible outcomes for him. That is what customer service is all about. BRP should do more of this.

The rental car came with a $210 one way drop off charge plus the rental of ~$100 or so to get home on Sunday. The rescue mission took 5 tanks of gas, 1/2 quart oil, 4 cups of coffee, a sausage/egg biscuit, 2 Popeye's lunches and 18.5 hours of road time.

JT

[jthornton]

Parts came in today so I'll know soon if the engine is DOA or not.

JT

[Bob Denman]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=127571&stc=1 For you!!!

[billybovine]

Since the parts are ordered and in. They must have told you what went wrong?

[jthornton]

Since the parts are ordered and in. They must have told you what went wrong?

Not much info at this time, all I know is a gasket failed and they had to order some parts. I'll quiz the mechanic when I see him. My take is the pressure pump could not supply the engine with oil pressure for some reason but the scavenging pump was working (over full oil tank).

JT

[Dan McNally]

Good luck, JT. Hope it all works out well for you.

[jthornton]

Good luck, JT. Hope it all works out well for you.

It might just work out well, the dealer just called and the engine has to come out and get torn down. The output shaft has a lot of play in it, maybe I'll get a new engine!

JT

[Bob Denman]

Or a new bike...


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=127594&stc=1

[jthornton]

Or a new bike...

It's pretty close to the right color, a bit dark for me. I'd bet it will take more than $50 to go that route...

JT

[Bob Denman]

Well... yes; it would! :D
But the 1330 bikes do offer an awful lot of improvements over the 998s. :thumbup:
(They went back to the "Orbital Blue", that they used in 2010, and 2011)

[jthornton]

Well... yes; it would! :D
But the 1330 bikes do offer an awful lot of improvements over the 998s. :thumbup:
(They went back to the "Orbital Blue", that they used in 2010, and 2011)

That would match my 2010 622...

JT

[Bob Denman]

:D Checkmate!!! :D

[jthornton]

Well they got the engine out but have not torn it down yet so hopefully they will have an answer to the cause soon and start putting it back together.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq:
How about some "Ribs and Brats"; while you wait?

[jthornton]

Even better than that we are going to Guido's Pizzeria & Tapas (http://www.guidosstl.com/) on the Hill in St. Louis today for lunch on the Bluewing.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:D Now THAT sounds like an event!! :yes::yes:
Take a few bites for me! nojoke

[jthornton]

Will do! and a few sips of Peroni too. Are we just jacking up our post count now?

JT

[jthornton]

Well I thought the engine was out but it seems not... I stopped by on our way to Guido's and took a couple of photos. The service manager was not around so we headed north.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128195&stc=1
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128196&stc=1
Looks like some bits are off but not the engine.
JT

[SteveP]

Well I thought the engine was out but it seems not... I stopped by on our way to Guido's and took a couple of photos. The service manager was not around so we headed north.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128195&stc=1
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=128196&stc=1
Looks like some bits are off but not the engine.
JT
Hope you get some resolution soon , I had to practically beg to have my sensors installed the other day instead of " a week or so before we can look at it"

[jthornton]

Hope you get some resolution soon , I had to practically beg to have my sensors installed the other day instead of " a week or so before we can look at it"

Good thing I'm not in a bind to ride, I have the Bluewing still in the stable. I'm sure they are juggling all the time so I give them a nudge about once a week.

JT

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Good thing I'm not in a bind to ride, I have the Bluewing still in the stable. I'm sure they are juggling all the time so I give them a nudge about once a week.

JT
Are we going to see you at Spyderfest?

[jthornton]

Are we going to see you at Spyderfest? We can only pass by on Saturday, wife is out of vacation. We want to look at the Ultimate seat for the Spyder.

Just got off the phone with the very nice service manager and they are filing a case Monday to get a complete motor. Timing chain broke in two places, pistons and bores scarred up so a real mess on the inside but I tried to tell them that.

JT

[bmccaffrey]

Nobody listens anymore JT:yikes:

[jthornton]

Looks like we will be there mid day Saturday for a while...

JT

[Tango]

Sounds like a good dealer. Taking care of you. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[jthornton]

Sounds like a good dealer. Taking care of you. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

I trust them and they try real hard to take care of your problems properly, sometimes it takes a while.

JT

[spyderCodes]

Looks like we will be there mid day Saturday for a while...

JT
I'll look for you.

[MikeinGA]

I trust them and they try real hard to take care of your problems properly, sometimes it takes a while.

JT

I have a problem somewhat like yours. It had a bad the gauge that has the tack and speedometer and it had water in it. I replaced the gauge and now it showing the correct codes and now it's getting fixed. I should be getting back this week.

Mike

[jthornton]

Just got off the phone with the service manager and the new short block has been approved by BRP and the parts are on the way to put the Spyder back together. She said it looks funny with just the frame and rear part still on the bike. Going to look for a new seat for it at SpyderFest...

JT

[Dan McNally]

Glad they are resolving this, so quickly!

[billybovine]

Good to hear it should be fixed soon. Any ideas on what failed first?

[jthornton]

Good to hear it should be fixed soon. Any ideas on what failed first?

The tech said something about a gasket failing so I assume it stopped up the suction side of the primary oil pump as the oil tank was over full. I'll quiz him in person when I pick it up.

JT

[jthornton]

There seems to be something missing from my spyder I just can't put my finger on it...

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129020&stc=1
JT

[IGETAROUND]

Great looking seat JT

[jthornton]

Great looking seat JT

Thanks, I really wanted a more comfortable seat after the Spyders on the Bayou ride and finding out the new engine only cost me $50 made me decide to dig up a mason jar and head to Springfield. Really I just wanted to see and chat with Roger a bit but the seat was a bonus.

JT

[Cruzr Joe]

JT

Glad everything is working out with your Spyder.

Cruzr Joe

[Empty Pockets]

Hi JT glad to hear things are working out well so far with your Spyder. I'm sure you will love the Ultimate Seat. Disappointed we didn't run in to each other at the vendor village. Had a few people ask me about the dash mount bar. I pointed them in your direction.

[jthornton]

Hi JT glad to hear things are working out well so far with your Spyder. I'm sure you will love the Ultimate Seat. Disappointed we didn't run in to each other at the vendor village. Had a few people ask me about the dash mount bar. I pointed them in your direction.

Dang, I wish I knew you were there I would have looked you up. We were on our way to a cabin near Branson so it was a quick visit to the vendor village to get some F4 cleaner and the seat.

JT

[Empty Pockets]

Hope you had a good trip to Branson. I'm guessing we will connect at Farmington. Keep us up-to-date on your RT repairs

[johnwinslow]

Here's hoping that it's just an oil screen clog that can be remedied quickly.
And I am keeping good thoughts.

However I doubt it.
The low pressure (oil can) screen has a really low threshold due to the value of oil pressure switch.
I think it's on the order of 5 to 8 psi which basically means if there is that little oil pressure by the time you see it and react it's game over.
It's difficult for me to see how the oil screen could be clogged with only 14K on the clock.
I 'm sure it has had at least one oil change(probably 3).
So, that leaves the oil pump going south.
But a bad oil pump doesn't really explain the full oil tank either.
It sounds like the pickup from the tank was blocked somewhere in the line.
There is a rubber hose that connects the oil tank to the engine and that might have been kinked or obstructed.
All of the above causes really suck.

may be a collapsed oil filter

[jthornton]

may be a collapsed oil filter
John, that does sound plausible.

Some photos I took Saturday on our way to watch one of our group jump out of a plane.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129661&stc=1
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129662&stc=1
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129663&stc=1
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=129664&stc=1
JT

[jthornton]

They are waiting on the new heads to start assembly of the engine. The total is over $3k so far, glad I got the extended warranty.

JT

[billybovine]

Nice new short block. Glad you're getting new heads too.

[jthornton]

Nice new short block. Glad you're getting new heads too.

The cam bearing area was toast on the heads so they had to put new ones on. The only thing they can use is the two side covers.

JT

[Tango]

JC, in the first pic. Is that the top of the pistons we see? If so, they look very clean. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[jthornton]

JC, in the first pic. Is that the top of the pistons we see? If so, they look very clean. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

The first photo is the top of the heads showing the scarring on the cam bearings.

JT

[Ex Winger]

Glad their getting it fixed for you.Hope your back on it soon and with the new seat it,ll be a sweet ride.
Bill

[rogerb]

On my Spyder the oil filter collapsed. Apparently something got sucked up into the system and took out the clutch and cracked the lower case. Yesterday they were suppose to discuss what had to be done and by whom.
I'm in no hurry but high 70s and beautiful sunshine today and tomorrow and I haven't ridden since Spyderfest. Not good for my health no fresh air.

[jthornton]

On my Spyder the oil filter collapsed. Apparently something got sucked up into the system and took out the clutch and cracked the lower case. Yesterday they were suppose to discuss what had to be done and by whom.
I'm in no hurry but high 70s and beautiful sunshine today and tomorrow and I haven't ridden since Spyderfest. Not good for my health no fresh air.

Ouch, I hear you. Nothing but rain for the next few days here.

JT

[jthornton]

Got some good news this morning, the heads came in yesterday and the tech is putting the puzzle back together

:yes:

JT

[DJFaninTN]

woooohoooo ... one step closer


Got some good news this morning, the heads came in yesterday and the tech is putting the puzzle back together

:yes:

JT

[dlby]

Howdy
Your signature says red RT
Pics are blue

if we could get my white RT pic in there we would have red white & blue!

Hope you are on road sooner than you think!

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[Empty Pockets]

Good to hear JT! Riding within the week sounds likely.

[cyclelover63]

Jt..Now would be a good time to put some angled grease fittings in those lower control arms so they can be greased easier..Or at least grease them now.

[jthornton]

Jt..Now would be a good time to put some angled grease fittings in those lower control arms so they can be greased easier..Or at least grease them now.

That's a good idea, I wish the dealer was closer to me... I'll grease them when I get it back.

JT

[jthornton]

Latest news on the Dead Spyder, the engine is back together but not back in yet. The tech is trying to have it all back together late next week! So far the total is a tad over $7,500 for the new engine.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:thumbup: It's good to hear that the "light at the end of the tunnel", is finally starting to get both closer, and brighter!

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=130598&stc=1

[pegasus1300]

And that it is not a train coming the other way:roflblack:

[Tango]

Latest news on the Dead Spyder, the engine is back together but not back in yet. The tech is trying to have it all back together late next week! So far the total is a tad over $7,500 for the new engine.

JT


:yikes: Yikes! A lot of money for sure. Glad it was all covered. Sounds like you might be riding it soon. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[40Xshooter]

After reading this thread my conclusion would be, when I get my RT-S next April, to make sure I pony up for the extended warranty......WOW what a story!

[SteveP]

Wow . Yes the warranty seems pretty crucial when available . What would be the cost be to replace one of the triples I wonder . That's approaching the cost of a v8 crate engine :shocked:

[40Xshooter]

Wow . Yes the warranty seems pretty crucial when available . What would be the cost be to replace one of the triples I wonder . That's approaching the cost of a v8 crate engine :shocked:

I don't know about a crate motor but that's the cost of a VW DSG transmission replacement!

[Empty Pockets]

JT
Good to hear it's getting closer to being ready. This is a great decision swayer for those on the fence about purchasing an extended warranty!

[Sam Mac]

Latest news on the Dead Spyder, the engine is back together but not back in yet. The tech is trying to have it all back together late next week! So far the total is a tad over $7,500 for the new engine.

JT

$7,500.00 you can get this for less. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-19301360/overview/

[Bob Denman]

Yeah... but will it fit underneath the Spyder's Tupperware? :roflblack:

[SteveP]

$7,500.00 you can get this for less. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/nal-19301360/overview/

Thats the engine I put in my 2003 Silverado SS , $8400.00 CDN .... That's why I was shocked at the price of a 1000 cc twin . I guess the tab for labour would be a fair chunk as well though ?

[Ex-Rocket]

JT, glad that you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and to be able to ride again.

[jthornton]

The service manager called this afternoon, the Spyder is back together and should be ready to pick up in the morning... if it ain't raining I'll go get it.

Edit: just looked at the date of the first post and pretty much 9 weeks from the day it died. The dealer had it about 8 weeks as I said before they tried to see if it was a quick fix and when it was not I had to get back in line. So the upshot is I good with how long it took.

JT

[SteveP]

The service manager called this afternoon, the Spyder is back together and should be ready to pick up in the morning... if it ain't raining I'll go get it.

Edit: just looked at the date of the first post and pretty much 9 weeks from the day it died. The dealer had it about 8 weeks as I said before they tried to see if it was a quick fix and when it was not I had to get back in line. So the upshot is I good with how long it took.

JT

Good to hear , seemed like a while but back with a nice tight engine :)
interested to see if you notice any difference ( improvement I mean )

[Tango]

That's good news JT. Hope you get good weather for a break in ride. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[jthornton]

Good to hear , seemed like a while but back with a nice tight engine :)
interested to see if you notice any difference ( improvement I mean )

I'm hoping the new engine does not use as much oil as the old one did.

JT

[jthornton]

That's good news JT. Hope you get good weather for a break in ride. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

Extended forecast shows rain for the next 10 days... and it's been raining for a while. :(

At least I'll have time to fit the new Ultimate seat and finish building my new blast cabinet.

JT

[Bob Denman]

The service manager called this afternoon, the Spyder is back together and should be ready to pick up in the morning... if it ain't raining I'll go get it.
.JT
:clap::congrats: :2thumbs:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0VkrUG3OrPc

[jthornton]

Got a call yesterday from the dealer and the Spyder still has a check engine light and something about the throttle body so I might get a new one... throttle body I mean.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:banghead:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltjT25GyXTM&feature=player_detailpage

[Empty Pockets]

Got a call yesterday from the dealer and the Spyder still has a check engine light and something about the throttle body so I might get a new one... throttle body I mean.

JT
What's one more delay. Good that it was found before you got it back. At least you have your wing to keep your riding fix satisfied

[jthornton]

What's one more delay. Good that it was found before you got it back. At least you have your wing to keep your riding fix satisfied

Yep, and it's all under the same $50 deductible.

Pretty nice day here today, the BlueWing, me and the back seat driver are going for an ice cream cone at the Eminence Dairy Shack be back in time for a nap I think.

JT

[jthornton]

Service Manager called today and said "do you have some parts for your Spyder at your house?" I said yea the windshield and the two small covers. She said we have been going nuts trying to find them. The she said did you have a scratch on the left front fender? I said no, she said we will replace it. That is a service department! Bike is done and waiting on a new front fender. Gives them time to ride it a bit and see if anything pops up. That's why I haul my Spyder 90 miles to them for service work.

JT

[cyclelover63]

With the cost of paint now days,I cold see a fender already painted would be cheaper at their cost...I agree that is a good service department..

[Bob Denman]

They ARE a good dealership! :clap:

And you're in the homestretch now!!! :2thumbs:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tMPoaU2oL4&feature=player_detailpage

[jthornton]

Bringing the Spyder home today. I have to trailer it back as I don't have a ride up there.

JT

[Bob Denman]

:congrats:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc&feature=player_detailpage

[Empty Pockets]

Good to hear. Looking forward to hearing your first ride report!

[SteveP]

Glad to hear . Have fun breaking it in ...... Again :thumbup:

[jthornton]

Went for a short ride from the dealer to Saint Genevieve and back and the engine sounds better than the original one for sure. I'll see if the mileage and oil consumption are better on this one. The original motor had terrible gas mileage and consumed a quart of oil between oil changes.

Spoke to the Tech and the upshot is a bearing failed and allowed the clutch assembly to sag down and start rubbing on the crankcase. The resulting aluminum bits being generated finally clogged up the oil filter resulting in a loss of oil pressure and the final demise of the engine. Some bits got between the cam chain and the sprockets and the chain was broken in two spots and just barely holding on.

JT

[Bob Denman]

While it stinks that it happened; at least they were able to find the cause... :thumbup:
:congrats: on getting "Back on Three!" :riding:

[Empty Pockets]

Went for a short ride from the dealer to Saint Genevieve and back and the engine sounds better than the original one for sure. I'll see if the mileage and oil consumption are better on this one. The original motor had terrible gas mileage and consumed a quart of oil between oil changes.

Spoke to the Tech and the upshot is a bearing failed and allowed the clutch assembly to sag down and start rubbing on the crankcase. The resulting aluminum bits being generated finally clogged up the oil filter resulting in a loss of oil pressure and the final demise of the engine. Some bits got between the cam chain and the sprockets and the chain was broken in two spots and just barely holding on.

JT

Good to hear!

[dlby]

I hope it runs & runs 4ever for you now!

I love R&R put another dime in the jukebox baby!

[cyclelover63]

Let me know what you think of the new seat...been thinking of one myself!

[billybovine]

Spoke to the Tech and the upshot is a bearing failed and allowed the clutch assembly to sag down and start rubbing on the crankcase. The resulting aluminum bits being generated finally clogged up the oil filter resulting in a loss of oil pressure and the final demise of the engine. Some bits got between the cam chain and the sprockets and the chain was broken in two spots and just barely holding on.

JT

That is a great explanation and a very plausible. Thanks that will add to the knowledge base.

[jthornton]

Let me know what you think of the new seat...been thinking of one myself!

Going to Strawberry's BBQ (http://www.strawsbbq.com/) Saturday in Holcomb, MO with the gang, I'll report when I get back. Also going to Hot Springs AR over the July 4 weekend.

JT

[SteveP]

That is a great explanation and a very plausible. Thanks that will add to the knowledge base.

Took the words right out of my fingers Billy... I found myself picturing each event as it happened , with sound of course :cheers:. Sounds like that Rotax was fighting to live though

[jthornton]

Let me know what you think of the new seat...been thinking of one myself!

I ordered one for the BlueWing and that's what I think about them. I used the female shopping analogy of I saved $225 today dear, the backrest from the Spyder fits the Wing now... I'm such a smart shopper.

JT

[jthornton]

Spyder update, I filled up with gas and was waiting for the screen to boot up to clear the trip an all hell broke loose. Seems there was an air pocket in the engine and when I pulled in for gas and pointed down hill a bit the burp occurred and set off a few over temp alarms, check engine light and even limp mode for a second. By the time I ciphered mileage all the issues cleared. Rode p to Midwest Power Sports and checked buds and it showed an over temp and the coolant was a bit low so all sounded plausible that an air pocket caused the alarms and now that she has burped I look forward to a lot of miles of smiles.

JT