IPHONE REVISITED

[cuznjohn]

so apple is still refusing to unlock the phone for the FBI. today on one of the news shows, one of the ladies on the show said that a locked IPHONE can also be unlocked with a fingerprint. they didn't go any further on the subject, but if this is true, did up the creep that shot the people and use his finger to unlock the phone. i don't own a IPHONE, so i don't know if it would work. but it sure seems like a easy solution to the problem

[granpa in Cincy]

No he didn't, so now they can't.

[Brentc]

John, yes you can setup your iphone to recognize your finger print. However after 72 hours I believe, you then have to enter the password to unlock.

Its a a sticky situation, I see both sides of the issue.........

Sad that were even having to discuss this kind of stuff...........:shocked:

[Bob Denman]

I heard of a possible solution, that I found intriguing...
Put the "Apple Guys" in a locked room with an incinerator, and this I-phone.
Let them hack it open, and copy down exactly what was in it...
(Under a watchful camera....)
Then: destroy the phone, and hand the transcribed evidence to the FBI...

Nobody would have any idea as to how they got the data; but they'd finally have it! :thumbup:

[cuznjohn]

another question i have is, the phone belonged to the public works that the guy worked for. so why won't apple unlock the phone for the people that owns it. does this mean, that if you totally have a BRAIN FART one day, and can't remember your pass code, you have to get rid of the phone???

[Brentc]

From what I've seen and heard on the tube. It kind of boils down to the government wants Apple to develop a way to decrypt their own technology. This is not technology that presently exists according to Apple. There presently is no way to get into the phone with that data intact, however it could easily be wiped out and returned to the owner, in this case the water authority.
If Apple were to hack their own device, how safe would everyone else feel about storing their personal information on that device? I know for me I have every bit of my personal information on my iPhone and I would seriously have to consider abandoning the Apple platform if I knew it was vulnerable. Once Apple were to developed the technology to break into their own devices, it would only be a matter of time before that technology was leaked, hacked, or sold.

[wyliec]

cuznjohn,

In your previous thread on the subject, you had a member here say it was B.S. that Apple had to develop a hack to get into the phone. He said Apple can get into it right now without a problem. In fact the member said he had a friend that told him there are people outside of Apple that can get into that iPhone or anyone's iPhone. I'm paraphrasing b/c I'm to lazy to find that post. So, maybe the gov't should quit wasting time with Apple, and pay the civilian hackers that that post was talking about. That's if you believe the other post.

I find it hard to believe that those 2 low level scumbags (that were killed) actually have any info that will help the gov't. Like another member said in the previous thread, the gov't has complete access to all the phone calls that were made from that phone.

I'm now starting to believe your original theory about Apple tooting its own horn to increase sales.

[Bob Denman]

Regardless of what the FBI wants with the phone; they cannot compel Apple to do anything, that they choose to not do.
It's called "Freedom", for a reason! :thumbup:

[Brentc]

cuznjohn,

In your previous thread on the subject, you had a member here say it was B.S. that Apple had to develop a hack to get into the phone. He said Apple can get into it right now without a problem. In fact the member said he had a friend that told him there are people outside of Apple that can get into that iPhone or anyone's iPhone. I'm paraphrasing b/c I'm to lazy to find that post. So, maybe the gov't should quit wasting time with Apple, and pay the civilian hackers that that post was talking about. That's if you believe the other post.

I find it hard to believe that those 2 low level scumbags (that were killed) actually have any info that will help the gov't. Like another member said in the previous thread, the gov't has complete access to all the phone calls that were made from that phone.

I've been in the technology field for about 25 years now, and have a pretty descent knowledge of stuff. I would have to assume that if the government was knocking on Apples door, then they have exhausted all other avenues. The NSA, from what I know, has some of the most "gifted" cyber security individuals in the world on staff and if they couldn't open that phone, then it can't be done without Apples intervention as it sits now.

But then again, what do I know......

[wyliec]

I've been in the technology field for about 25 years now, and have a pretty descent knowledge of stuff. I would have to assume that if the government was knocking on Apples door, then they have exhausted all other avenues. The NSA, from what I know, has some of the most "gifted" cyber security individuals in the world on staff and if they couldn't open that phone, then it can't be done without Apples intervention as it sits now.

But then again, what do I know......

I was only paraphrasing what was on the other thread. I did't say I believed it.

[Brentc]

I was only paraphrasing what was on the other thread. I did't say I believed it.
It's tough to know what the truth is......Sometimes I kind of enjoy being ingnorant and in the dark. We need an ostrich emoji.......

I think that's one of the best things to me about the Spyder, when I get on and get going its real easy to forget the rest of the stuff and just enjoy the ryde!

[wyliec]

Regardless of what the FBI wants with the phone; they cannot compel Apple to do anything, that they choose to not do.
It's called "Freedom", for a reason! :thumbup:

I just saw the latest update on the news tonight. Fifty-one percent of the public is on the FBI's side, and 38% against. The news said Apple and the FBI go before a judge in court this week.

[Brentc]

I just saw the latest update on the news tonight. Fifty-one percent of the public is on the FBI's side, and 38% against. The news said Apple and the FBI go before a judge in court this week.

The rest are voting for Trump!
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[Bob Denman]

I just saw the latest update on the news tonight. Fifty-one percent of the public is on the FBI's side, and 38% against. The news said Apple and the FBI go before a judge in court this week.
If you listen to fools...



...The Mob rules! :D


This his is certainly not going to be solved by zealots in the Court of Public Opinion...

[cuznjohn]

for what it's worth


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVqe2UOhh8g

[Orange Spyder Man]

this is the latest ploy by our government for more control/power... it won't be long before nothing you own/know/going to have... will be approved by our government becoming socialistic...

isn't it amazing... our government could not ... would not ... break into.. or force anyone to gain access Hillary's email server ? .. WHY NOT ? ... another instance where government uses their power to serve their own means...

osm

[Bob Denman]

You've got to admit: This sure says something about the abilities of Apple's people! :2thumbs: :bowdown:

[plzzmrdj]

I do own an IPhone and my IPhone can be unlocked with a finger print as long as it is stored in "The "Touch ID & Pass code". Neither will be deleted unless the owner changes the Touch ID or Pass code. The only difficulty will be which finger or thumb on either hand that was used on the Touch Pass code.

[Yazz]

From Apple...

Yes, it is certainly possible to create an entirely new operating system to
undermine our security features as the government wants. But it’s something
we believe is too dangerous to do. The only way to guarantee that such a
powerful tool isn’t abused and doesn’t fall into the wrong hands is to never
create it.
Could Apple build this operating
system just once, for this iPhone, and
never use it again?
The digital world is very different from the physical world. In the physical
world you can destroy something and it’s gone. But in the digital world, the
technique, once created, could be used over and over again, on any number
of devices.
Law enforcement agents around the country have already said they have
hundreds of iPhones they want Apple to unlock if the FBI wins this case. In the
physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening
hundreds of millions of locks. Of course, Apple would do our best to protect
that key, but in a world where all of our data is under constant threat, it would
be relentlessly attacked by hackers and cybercriminals. As recent attacks on
the IRS systems and countless other data breaches have shown, no one is
immune to cyberattacks.
Again, we strongly believe the only way to guarantee that such a powerful
tool isn’t abused and doesn’t fall into the wrong hands is to never create it.
Has Apple unlocked iPhones for law
enforcement in the past?
No.
We regularly receive law enforcement requests for information about our
customers and their Apple devices. In fact, we have a dedicated team that
responds to these requests 24/7. We also provide guidelines on our website
for law enforcement agencies so they know exactly what we are able to
access and what legal authority we need to see before we can help them.
For devices running the iPhone operating systems prior to iOS 8 and under a
lawful court order, we have extracted data from an iPhone.
We’ve built progressively stronger protections into our products with each
new software release, including passcode-based data encryption, because
cyberattacks have only become more frequent and more sophisticated. As a
result of these stronger protections that require data encryption, we are no
longer able to use the data extraction process on an iPhone running iOS 8
or later.
Hackers and cybercriminals are always looking for new ways to defeat our
security, which is why we keep making it stronger.
The government says your objection
appears to be based on concern for
your business model and marketing
strategy. Is that true?
Absolutely not. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is and always has
been about our customers. We feel strongly that if we were to do what the
government has asked of us — to create a backdoor to our products — not
only is it unlawful, but it puts the vast majority of good and law abiding
citizens, who rely on iPhone to protect their most personal and important
data, at risk.
Is there any other way you can help
the FBI?
We have done everything that’s both within our power and within the law to
help in this case. As we’ve said, we have no sympathy for terrorists.
We provided all the information about the phone that we possessed. We also
proactively offered advice on obtaining additional information. Even since the
government’s order was issued, we are providing further suggestions after
learning new information from the Justice Department’s filings.
One of the strongest suggestions we offered was that they pair the phone to
a previously joined network, which would allow them to back up the phone
and get the data they are now asking for. Unfortunately, we learned that while
the attacker’s iPhone was in FBI custody the Apple ID password associated
with the phone was changed. Changing this password meant the phone
could no longer access iCloud services.
As the government has confirmed, we’ve handed over all the data we have,
including a backup of the iPhone in question. But now they have asked us for
information we simply do not have.
What should happen from here?
Our country has always been strongest when we come together. We feel the
best way forward would be for the government to withdraw its demands
under the All Writs Act and, as some in Congress have proposed, form a
commission or other panel of experts on intelligence, technology, and civil
liberties to discuss the implications for law enforcement, national security,
privacy, and personal freedoms. Apple would gladly participate in such
an effort.
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[Sloppydogdrool]

Don't fool yourself folks. This is nothing more than a government tactic to force apple to create a decryption of the phone to be used as they wish. This is just a start. Chipping away. That's what our govt. does.


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[blitzkreig]

The iPhone in question is a "5C" model ... the finger print thing doesn't work on technology older than a "6".

:dontknow:

[Bfromla]

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[DJFaninTN]

IF the gov't had done their job, the phone could have been unlocked at the beginning with not much effort. The problem is the govt. waited too long to make the request therefore the govt is the one that created the problem and not apple.