Can-Am Spyder Turbo Concept- NASCAR Inspired

[Lamonster]

Click on the picture below and let us know what you think. If they built a street legal turbo F3 with full factory warranty at $4 to 5K extra would you buy it? I know I would be all over it especially with (Drift) mode :yes:

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-1dz5qu/product_images/uploaded_images/2016-02-17-10-17-08.jpg?t=1455725881


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6103fIK3oTI (http://www.lamonstergarage.com/news/canam-spyder-turbo-concept-nascar-inspired/)

[sledmaster]

Ha, I beat you by one minute!

Cheers!

[Lamonster]

Ha, I beat you by one minute!

Cheers!

Yeah but mine isn't a cut and paste press release ;)

[sledmaster]

I'd sure as hell buy one if they'd offer it with a turbo from the factory with warranty, and the Sport mode. To that end, I like how you posed the question in that manner.

I didn't know if you were going to get it up right at 4 EST/3 CST so I had to make sure it was up as well. Better to duplicate our efforts than not get it posted!

[DrewNJ]

Its a step in the right direction for sure. How much boost is it putting out?

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[Darren111]

This will be my next spyder if Can-Am build it. If they build it, I am visiting dealer and placing deposit. :yes:

[Lamonster]

Its a step in the right direction for sure. How much boost is it putting out?

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Good question, I would guess 8-10lbs:dontknow:

[cptjam]

How about a turbo option for the RT?
turbo systems or supercharger systems regularly sell for 4-5k, so the price is on a par. Brilliant idea!

[Lamonster]

Jeffrey Earnhardt, Chris Newton (BRP) and Joie Chitwood (president of Daytona International Speedway)

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12705185_1035386103171327_6260753206233155619_n.jp g?oh=df521e7d094eb6dd6318deed7b36b02c&oe=576985A2

[latony007]

Cool idea. I would not personally buy one for 4-5k extra but i already have a sport bike for speed. I also wonder how that would affect the handling and the Nanny. I think it would be really cool if they had a spyder as a pace car during the "Can AM Duals" tonight :)

[Darren111]

Jeffrey Earnhardt, Chris Newton (BRP) and Joie Chitwood (president of Daytona International Speedway)

https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12705185_1035386103171327_6260753206233155619_n.jp g?oh=df521e7d094eb6dd6318deed7b36b02c&oe=576985A2
Can-Am please build this. :bowdown:

[Darren111]

Take a look at this video clip I found. https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D6103fIK3oTI&h=5AQGm8Hg-

[fireplug98]

Click on the picture below and let us know what you think. If they built a street legal turbo F3 with full factory warranty at $4 to 5K extra would you buy it? I know I would be all over it especially with (Drift) mode :yes:

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-1dz5qu/product_images/uploaded_images/2016-02-17-10-17-08.jpg?t=1455725881 (http://www.lamonstergarage.com/news/canam-spyder-turbo-concept-nascar-inspired/)


The ultimate "death machine" for SethO !!! :-)

[mstngken]

Can Am are you listening build this it will sell!

[ARtraveler]

Interesting concept. :yes:

[Sam Mac]

Not for me. As far as the Jeff Earnhardt endorsement thing goes I met him at Lime Rock Park a few years ago. I was not impressed. I could say more but I'll keep my mouth shut.

[Bfromla]

I wouldn't for the turbo but they do need to add the option jump & go they provide for the law enforcement bikes


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[daveinva]

Well, well, well... nothing like a new Spyder announcement to get me to return to Spyderlovers in the winter. :ohyea:

A few thoughts:

-- LOVE the color scheme!
-- It looks like the concept loses the frunk, if that's the case that's a surprisingly big (inefficient?) turbo setup.
-- My favorite part: Akrapovic appears to have taken their design cues from MV Agusta... If you're gonna benchmark a design cue, the sexiest Italian bike on Earth ain't a bad cue to shamelessly steal. :firstplace:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M71122c91d893ff7059c43d6fe0419dbeH0&pid=15.1

[mstngken]

Well, well, well... nothing like a new Spyder announcement to get me to return to Spyderlovers in the winter. :ohyea:

A few thoughts:

-- LOVE the color scheme!
-- It looks like the concept loses the frunk, if that's the case that's a surprisingly big (inefficient?) turbo setup.
-- My favorite part: Akrapovic appears to have taken their design cues from MV Agusta... If you're gonna benchmark a design cue, the sexiest Italian bike on Earth ain't a bad cue to shamelessly steal. :firstplace:

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M71122c91d893ff7059c43d6fe0419dbeH0&pid=15.1

MMMM yea I want this to be my next bike MV agusta dragster 800 rr. I have been eyeballing this bike but a problem is here no dealers near buy.

[latony007]

Not for me. As far as the Jeff Earnhardt endorsement thing goes I met him at Lime Rock Park a few years ago. I was not impressed. I could say more but I'll keep my mouth shut.

Odd endorsement, just going for the name i guess. I dont think he has ever had a top 10 even in the xfinity series, maybe not even the trucks either.

[blacklightning]

Nice, but if I should ever hit the lottery, I would rather have someone shoehorn me a 1700cc, 200hp vmax into the thing. I wonder if they had to reinforce the engine internals for the turbo, and if so, how much more boost can it handle?

[Chupaca]

Ya'll can stop drooling now...:roflblack::roflblack:

[Rockwall]

Americans LOVE horsepower! Build it and they will come!:doorag:

[trikermutha]

Not sure for an extra 4-5 K.. But you will need to save for tire replacement if you keep smoking the tire's

[happyspyder2039]

Click on the picture below and let us know what you think. If they built a street legal turbo F3 with full factory warranty at $4 to 5K extra would you buy it? I know I would be all over it especially with (Drift) mode :yes:

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-1dz5qu/product_images/uploaded_images/2016-02-17-10-17-08.jpg?t=1455725881


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6103fIK3oTI (http://www.lamonstergarage.com/news/canam-spyder-turbo-concept-nascar-inspired/)interesting idea. Don't care for the front. it looks like a riding lawnmower. Why can't they put the turbo model on the f3 they have now with the same body just add different color scheme.

[Peter Aawen]

Americans LOVE horsepower! Build it and they will come!:doorag:

There's a few of us Aussies & a bunch of our 'across the Tasman' Kiwi mates who love horsepower too!!
Offer this for sale Down Under & I know there'll be buyers!! ;)

So where do I sign?!? :pray:

[daveinva]

MMMM yea I want this to be my next bike MV agusta dragster 800 rr. I have been eyeballing this bike but a problem is here no dealers near buy.

Yeah, that's the *only* reason I won't buy one. If there were a dealer near me, I'd pick one up this summer. Thank you, lousy Euro manufacturer dealer networks, you've saved me tens of thousands I would have otherwise spent on Agustas, KTMs, and Huskys! :p

[one2doo]

Count me in:yes:

[BeRight]

If available as a 2017 model - I'd buy it in a heartbeat even though I just purchased an F3-S in 2015. Love it :clap:

[Graptor]

You go guys, I would love to buy a regular F3 on the cheap. I'm always one model behind 😃

[Skip H]

interesting idea. Don't care for the front. it looks like a riding lawnmower. Why can't they put the turbo model on the f3 they have now with the same body just add different color scheme.

+1

I've always chosen function over form but that thing is just too ugly for even my (low) standards.

Skip H

[MercerLake]

Click on the picture below and let us know what you think. If they built a street legal turbo F3 with full factory warranty at $4 to 5K extra would you buy it? I know I would be all over it especially with (Drift) mode :yes:

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-1dz5qu/product_images/uploaded_images/2016-02-17-10-17-08.jpg?t=1455725881


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6103fIK3oTI (http://www.lamonstergarage.com/news/canam-spyder-turbo-concept-nascar-inspired/)
:yes:I might not buy one, but I'd sure open a tire shop only for that size tire. Wish we had a front drive or better yet all three!:yikes:

[MidTNDawg]

Yeah but mine isn't a cut and paste press release ;)

I doubt he is a super consultant'

[pushrod243]

I am in! Where do I sign up? :yes::yes::yes:

[Tx web rider]

BUT would it be street legal on them race slicks

[M109Dreamer]

If they made one for the RT we would be buying.....

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[Bob Denman]

Before folks start slipping in their drool puddles; This bike has been announced as a "Concept"... :shocked:
They've put this little game together, just to see how many of us would go crazy at the thought of the bike.
Nothing have been "cast in stone" yet... don't get your hopes up too quickly...

We need some proof; as to what BRP's production plans are!!!

[DrewNJ]

BRP did something similar to this back in 2001 when Seadoo released the RXX. Made you jump through a few licensing hoops to buy one. Pretty much a race tuned ski that was pretty hot for the time. I could see a limited run of these, but BRP, come on....this performance (on paper) isn't all that impressive vs. Stock. Open it up!!

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[Bob Denman]

If you're basing it on the zero to sixty times; a half-second improvement is actually pretty darn good. And remember: turbos only get better, as they get themselves up to speed! :thumbup:

[PrairieSpyder]

Before folks start slipping in their drool puddles; This bike has been announced as a "Concept"... :shocked:
They've put this little game together, just to see how many of us would go crazy at the thought of the bike.
Nothing have been "cast in stone" yet... don't get your hopes up too quickly...

We need some proof; as to what BRP's production plans are!!!

Don't be a wet blanket, Bob. :lecturef_smilie: I think everyone is just playing along with the game. It's winter, and we all need some Spyder fantasy time! :ohyea:

[rwc]

Would not even look at it.

[Bob Denman]

Don't be a wet blanket, Bob. :lecturef_smilie: I think everyone is just playing along with the game. It's winter, and we all need some Spyder fantasy time! :ohyea:

:D I'm just trying to keep folks' expectations at a realistic level... :thumbup:

Please believe me: I'd much rather be the "Warm Blanket", AND the accompanying cup of hot cocoa!

And I hope that this bike quickly transitions from "concept"; to "reality"!

[sledmaster]

Yeah but mine isn't a cut and paste press release ;)

I doubt he is a super consultant'

You might be surprised.......I do have a lower serial number (earlier unit) than any of you........and I was riding Spyders for several years before they were released......that should be worth something? ;)

I guess I didn't see anything wrong with posting a "cut and paste" press release. Why not let everyone see the information that is available ASAP? Let them make their own informed decisions? The photos were pretty cool as well. Had to take a break from riding ski-doo for a few moments........

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124409&stc=1

[WIDOWSSON]

REMINDS ME OF LOOKING ON THE INTERNET AT THIS CONCEPT OF A THREE WHEELED CYCLE (SPYDER). AND HOW IT LOOKED DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN THEY RELEASED IT, IT WASNT THE SAME AS THE CONCEPT ONE I SAW PREVIOUSLY. LOW AND BEHOLD 2014, THE CONCEPT THAT I HAD SAW WAS BEING INTRODUCED AT THE F3.

[Larry rt]

Not for me, I enjoy seeing the senery. Might help sales for a younger croud. Can imagine what a insurance premium would be for this. Don't think BRP would recoup cost to manufacture this. Just my honest opinion.

[Lamonster]

You might be surprised.......I do have a lower serial number (earlier unit) than any of you........and I was riding Spyders for several years before they were released......that should be worth something? ;)

I guess I didn't see anything wrong with posting a "cut and paste" press release. Why not let everyone see the information that is available ASAP? Let them make their own informed decisions? The photos were pretty cool as well. Had to take a break from riding ski-doo for a few moments........

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124409&stc=1
I'm glad you posted and I'm glad you have inside information that you're willing to share (when you can). I knew there would be plenty of cut and paste press releases and that's why I went a different direction. Just wasn't as fast as you on the button. ;):bowdown::firstplace:

[Lamonster]

Not for me, I enjoy seeing the senery. Might help sales for a younger croud. Can imagine what a insurance premium would be for this. Don't think BRP would recoup cost to manufacture this. Just my honest opinion.
Pretty much what I said in my blog ;)

I would like to point out this is just a concept and bringing something like this to market would add another $4-5K I'd guess. You would lose your trunk space for the intercooler, you wouldn't get the cool racing slicks and it would have to have fenders, head and tail lights, turn signals, mirrors and all the other street legal stuff but a factory built F3 with a turbo and a warranty would be a great ride to have in the barn. It's not the Spyder you're going to tour on cross country, you have the RT and F3T models for that, but it would be a great hotrod to play with on the weekend and maybe get some track time on. This may not be the Spyder for the masses, but just like NASCAR I think it would have a very strong following for gearheads like me who love ultimate performance and power.

[WIDOWSSON]

HAS ANYONE TESTED/HAVE THEM? LAMONT HAVE YOU?

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Lamont,
Have you got anything to report about this bike? :dontknow:

[Mike Ard]

Seeing this brought back fond memories of the late 60's factory racing sleds that would show up at our snowmobile races. Granted they are not near what is out there now, but in the day to a 16 year old boy those factory triple race sleds were something to behold.

i probably wouldnt buy one as I am really happy with the power speed and handleling my F3 has but I hope they build it with an eye towards the future like an RT/SS Turbo and F3 Turbo for the power junkies. I for one like the look ......kind of a throw back to racing sleds of old.

[SpyderF3-s]

I agree with happyspyder2039, looks like a souped up riding lawn mower. I do like the redesigned dash gauges and color scheme!;) I prefer the new F3-S Special style with an SS grill and skid plate. Future wishlist: Shaft drive, redesigned dash (like the prototype), adjustable windshield, and Hybrid assist.

[DrewNJ]

If you're basing it on the zero to sixty times; a half-second improvement is actually pretty darn good. And remember: turbos only get better, as they get themselves up to speed! :thumbup:
Plenty of potential agreed, but if your doing a concept vehicle for NASCAR you better step up your game. .5 sec better to 60 I wouldn't call stepping up. You could probably pick up .5 with just the drag slick!...ha-ha. Not bashing, just observing and a desire for more. [emoji106] [emoji41]

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[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Plenty of potential agreed, but if your doing a concept vehicle for NASCAR you better step up your game. .5 sec better to 60 I wouldn't call stepping up. You could probably pick up .5 with just the drag slick!...ha-ha. Not bashing, just observing and a desire for more. [emoji106] [emoji41]

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....Shortly after the 1330 Ace engine release I had a conversation with someone familiar with the development. He said there was 150 HP there ...NORMALLY ..aspirated without any strain to the current components. So I think the TURBO is purely for the FLASH......Now if they " TURBOED " that :yikes: :clap: :clap: :clap: :yes: :yes: :yes:......................Mike :thumbup:

[cptjam]

I'm with Mike; most liter class bikes are 150hp. BMW 1000RR is 193! The Aprilla 998 is 140!
so, a turbo 1330 should be very powerful!

[sledmaster]

Seeing this brought back fond memories of the late 60's factory racing sleds that would show up at our snowmobile races. Granted they are not near what is out there now, but in the day to a 16 year old boy those factory triple race sleds were something to behold.

i probably wouldnt buy one as I am really happy with the power speed and handleling my F3 has but I hope they build it with an eye towards the future like an RT/SS Turbo and F3 Turbo for the power junkies. I for one like the look ......kind of a throw back to racing sleds of old.


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124417&stc=1
Perhaps an old Double Eagle like what Duane Eck used to run at West Yellowstone at the speed runs in the late 60s.......?

[Bob Denman]

That was the one with Twin engines; wasn't it?
They also built one with four engines (I think...).

[Mike Ard]

That was the one with Twin engines; wasn't it?
They also built one with four engines (I think...).

Never got to see that one, but saw and got to ride a 795 TX Polaris triple. Can't remember the name of it but one year Artic Cat had a sled that looked like a drag race car with tracks on each side and skis in front at the Spokane auto boat, speed show.

We used to get the big racing Artic Cat triple's, really sweet Ski Doo and Polaris factory sleds and in 1972 the Merc factory team showed up at our big winter event and cleaned everyone's clock. I didn't even bother to sign up to race that year.....had more fun just watching.

back in the day our club got to put in a big oval in a corner of the log yard of the mill and the cross country track took off into the trees. By the end of the race day the cross country course was brutal.

[DrewNJ]

I'm with Mike; most liter class bikes are 150hp. BMW 1000RR is 193! The Aprilla 998 is 140!
so, a turbo 1330 should be very powerful!

I agree, nothing "special" about 150hp I'm actually surprised they did a turbo to get there. I kinda believe that it's all for show because "turbo" sounds cool!
Seems like it would be plenty easy to get 150hp out of a 1330cc NA triple. That is what the RT/F3 should be STOCK. :2thumbs:

BRP, you have all those Rotax triple 1503 supercharged motors making 260+hp. Had them in production since late 2003/2004 in the skis. What gives?! :dontknow:

[crazycanuck]

I agree, nothing "special" about 150hp I'm actually surprised they did a turbo to get there. I kinda believe that it's all for show because "turbo" sounds cool!
Seems like it would be plenty easy to get 150hp out of a 1330cc NA triple. That is what the RT/F3 should be STOCK. :2thumbs:

BRP, you have all those Rotax triple 1503 supercharged motors making 260+hp. Had them in production since late 2003/2004 in the skis. What gives?! :dontknow:

Cant push all the Chips into middle of the table on one hand

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

:yikes: WOW. only problem i see with it is those who cry about the tires will eat them up in drift mode & cry more

[Marker]

I would buy one for a second spyder to day trip with. I would use my RT LTD for serious touring adventures. I like my creature comforts.

[Bob Denman]

Never got to see that one, but saw and got to ride a 795 TX Polaris triple. Can't remember the name of it but one year Artic Cat had a sled that looked like a drag race car with tracks on each side and skis in front at the Spokane auto boat, speed show.
.
Those were the Boss Cats: They built 3 of them
The first one was turbine powered, and blew up! :yikes:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124486&stc=1

Boss Cat II had a v-8 under the bodywork, and was retired after reaching 180 mph... :bowdown:


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124487&stc=1

Boss Cat III was a handling nightmare: they gave up on it after about 137 mph... :banghead:
(Multiple snowmobile engines)

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124488&stc=1

[Dennis in Lodi]

Simply put, Ski Doo snowmobiles have stiff competion in the in the performance catagory. Although the 1330 motor does not appear to directly cross into their sled line, current top performance Ski Doo sleds are getting 140 plus hp on a triple platform.
Keep in mind that the Suzuki Hyabusa is a 1330 cc motor with the same shim and bucket valve set up that gets 175 hp without a turbo.
My plan all along was to wait for a good deal on a used 1330 f3. I figured by time this happens the aftermarket would have the 1330 platform over a 140hp. But the simple math is I would probably have more invested in that project vs. buying a factory F3 turbo project new.
I'm all in on buying a new one. But I must keep quiet so my wife can't hear me typing.


....Shortly after the 1330 Ace engine release I had a conversation with someone familiar with the development. He said there was 150 HP there ...NORMALLY ..aspirated without any strain to the current components. So I think the TURBO is purely for the FLASH......Now if they " TURBOED " that :yikes: :clap: :clap: :clap: :yes: :yes: :yes:......................Mike :thumbup:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Simply put, Ski Doo snowmobiles have stiff competion in the in the performance catagory. Although the 1330 motor does not appear to directly cross into their sled line, current top performance Ski Doo sleds are getting 140 plus hp on a triple platform.
Keep in mind that the Suzuki Hyabusa is a 1330 cc motor with the same shim and bucket valve set up that gets 175 hp without a turbo.
My plan all along was to wait for a good deal on a used 1330 f3. I figured by time this happens the aftermarket would have the 1330 platform over a 140hp. But the simple math is I would probably have more invested in that project vs. buying a factory F3 turbo project new.
I'm all in on buying a new one. But I must keep quiet so my wife can't hear me typing.
.Dennis, there's one on E-bay right now 2015 for $16,000..........Mike :thumbup:

[Mike Ard]

Those were the Boss Cats: They built 3 of them
The first one was turbine powered, and blew up! :yikes:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124486&stc=1

Boss Cat II had a v-8 under the bodywork, and was retired after reaching 180 mph... :bowdown:


http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124487&stc=1

Boss Cat III was a handling nightmare: they gave up on it after about 137 mph... :banghead:
(Multiple snowmobile engines)

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=124488&stc=1


It it was the Boss Cat ll that I saw in Spokane. Man what a sled!!

[larryd]

I agree, nothing "special" about 150hp I'm actually surprised they did a turbo to get there. I kinda believe that it's all for show because "turbo" sounds cool!
Seems like it would be plenty easy to get 150hp out of a 1330cc NA triple. That is what the RT/F3 should be STOCK. :2thumbs:

BRP, you have all those Rotax triple 1503 supercharged motors making 260+hp. Had them in production since late 2003/2004 in the skis. What gives?! :dontknow:

Most of the supercharged 215 & 260 hp Sea-Doo's have about a 150 hour engine life before they self destruct...(even with the supercharger rebuilt at 100 hrs.) They are fast while they last...

[DrewNJ]

Most of the supercharged 215 & 260 hp Sea-Doo's have about a 150 hour engine life before they self destruct...(even with the supercharger rebuilt at 100 hrs.) They are fast while they last...
True, but that 150 hours is also running the majority of its life at 8k rpms, mostly full throttle runs, and in a marine environment. Probably not running it like that in a street bike platform so you'd think it would last a lot longer?

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[Bob Denman]

It would last longer.... except BRP is building their street engines to last FARRRRR longer. :2thumbs:
Spyderjockey has over 115,000 miles on his 2008 GS so far: the engine is STILL running like it did, when it was new!

[Dennis in Lodi]

Having been close to this circle of performance vs. longevity I would like to add this.
I spent $10K on building a cycle motor. Titanium eveything, blah, blah, blah. It lasted only FOUR hours in ROAD testing and never made it to the track.
I could have bought a larger cc production cycle for 1/2 of what I had into my project and had the same hp. Manufacturuers have a vested interested in reliability and are best equiped to engineer a complete package.
The problem in engines that work on water is simple. Water does not compress if it enters a combustion chamber.
The only known issue I know of in manufactured performance cycles is Ducati refused to get off it's PUSH ROD platform to get performance. I believe they addressed that horse and buggy thought process.



True, but that 150 hours is also running the majority of its life at 8k rpms, mostly full throttle runs, and in a marine environment. Probably not running it like that in a street bike platform so you'd think it would last a lot longer?

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[Bob Denman]

While I agree with you: I took a 432cc, 65 horse snowmobile engine; and turned it into a 513cc , 107 horse "lake-shortener". :thumbup:
I built it back in 1992, and it still runs today. We had one burn-down, when an e-clip broke in half, and dropped the jet needle. (A 15 cent part cost me $4000! :gaah:)
When I built it; I didn't push any boundaries, and left lots of room for reliability.
(We stroked it by 3mm, and added the jug off of a 488 F.I. engine to the mix...)

Will it last as long as a stock sled motor? :dontknow: It exceeded my expectations exponentially!
But I'm not a manufacturer, with a warranty issue lurking... :shocked:

[Fat Baxter]

Personally, I'd pass on anything with a turbo. Turbos run on hot exhaust, and heat is the enemy of the internal combustion engine. Plus, they run at very high RPMs, and thus are highly stressed. When they fail, they dump parts into the top end of the engine, requiring (in addition to a new turbo), an entire top end replacement. IMO, they are not a wise investment for the long run.

If you lease cars, for example, and turn them over every few years, you'll likely never see a turbo failure. But if you're like me and hang on to your vehicles for 10+ years, the odds of a catastrophic turbo failure go up.

Here's a related auto discussion thread (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/08/qotd-are-all-these-turbocharged-cars-going-to-last/).

Many auto manufactureres are moving to small turbo engines because in many overseas markets, cars are taxed according to engine displacement. Hence the move to smaller engines, with turbos to make up for the loss of power. But I think many of the manufacturers have set themselves up for problems in the out-years.

[DrewNJ]

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[Wildrice]

Good question, I would guess 8-10lbs:dontknow:
10 PSI with stock rods/pistons without a head spacer might be pushing it. I'd be guessing closer to 6-8 psi on premium fuel. but if it worked/lasted I would spend the money on my 2015 F3's providing the total cost of turbo & installation didn't exceed a significant price increase from a factory warranty version. I've blown 2 hayabusa engines land speed racing + a street Harley with performance rods/pistons/cam ported exhaust. I'm not a Harley fan anyway but the 1298cc busa was a strong engine...
Nothing like the engine letting go at 193-196 mph--usually the valve seats melted out of the aluminum heads..........I needed to back out 4 degrees timing on the top end.....& I was using C-16 117 octane fuel....

[Ron2andia]

I want what I have with upgrades... Like a sport mode add on.

[Bob Denman]

Personally, I'd pass on anything with a turbo. Turbos run on hot exhaust, and heat is the enemy of the internal combustion engine. Plus, they run at very high RPMs, and thus are highly stressed. When they fail, they dump parts into the top end of the engine, requiring (in addition to a new turbo), an entire top end replacement. IMO, they are not a wise investment for the long run.

If you lease cars, for example, and turn them over every few years, you'll likely never see a turbo failure. But if you're like me and hang on to your vehicles for 10+ years, the odds of a catastrophic turbo failure go up.

Here's a related auto discussion thread (http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/08/qotd-are-all-these-turbocharged-cars-going-to-last/).

Many auto manufactureres are moving to small turbo engines because in many overseas markets, cars are taxed according to engine displacement. Hence the move to smaller engines, with turbos to make up for the loss of power. But I think many of the manufacturers have set themselves up for problems in the out-years.

Technology has come a long ways... The 1980s have been gone for a long time now. These new turbo setups are pretty lightly-stressed, and will last for a VERY long time. :thumbup:
(Not like the old Ford 4-cylinder turbos, that were done at about 80,000 miles...)

[DrewNJ]

Technology has come a long ways... The 1980s have been gone for a long time now. These new turbo setups are pretty lightly-stressed, and will last for a VERY long time.[emoji106](Not like the old Ford 4-cylinder turbos, that were done at about 80,000 miles...)
That's a nice way to say it. I had it all typed out but deleted it. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and play nice...[emoji38]

The benefits of a modern day turbo setup far exceed what could ever be done 25+ years ago, and that includes most NA motors too. Its the way of the future.

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[Bob Denman]

:D I'm NOT gonna say that we were thinking alike, because I'd hate to insult you like that! :roflblack: :2thumbs:

[DrewNJ]

:D I'm NOT gonna say that we were thinking alike, because I'd hate to insult you like that! :roflblack: :2thumbs:
Just stop...

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[crazycanuck]

That's a nice way to say it. I had it all typed out but deleted it. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and play nice...[emoji38]

The benefits of a modern day turbo setup far exceed what could ever be done 25+ years ago, and that includes most NA motors too. Its the way of the future.

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