apple products

[cuznjohn]

so what do you think of apple refusing to unlock the apple iphone of the two people that shot up and killed 14 people in the San Bernadina ca. attack. even with a court order they say they will not unlock the phone so the FBI can get any info they can from it. http://myfox8.com/2016/02/17/apple-refuses-to-unlock-phone-of-san-bernardino-terrorist/

[Jeriatric]

If we get hit and it traces back.....it's on them!

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Honestly: I'm not sure that they should do it...
the bit of news that I saw about this, seems to point to them having to develop some procedure to do this.
Would they be compensated for this effort? :dontknow:

Having said this: my sense of Patriotism tells me that they should want to help out!

[billybovine]

It is not as simple as unlocking this one phone. It is creating new software that would make a back door and could be used on every iphone. Once it is created who controls it? When should it be used? Can it be kept away from hackers?

[wyliec]

:shocked: Honestly: I'm not sure that they should do it...
the bit of news that I saw about this, seems to point to them having to develop some procedure to do this.
Would they be compensated for this effort? :dontknow:

Having said this: my sense of Patriotism tells me that they should want to help out!

I agree. But, how many times have you heard that the gov't is too much into our business, which takes away from our freedoms? In any case, what I say doesn't really matter. This definitely is a tough question to answer.

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: So the question must become:
"Is it better to err on the side of safety and security; or on the side of personal freedoms?" :dontknow:

[mindman]

This is definitely a tough situation. In order to investigate potential connections to other terrorists or organizations the government is asking Apple to develop a process whereby the gov't can hack into i-phones. The potential abuse of this capability is absolutely huge both from a privacy perspective and from the potential for criminals to get access as well. I can completely understand Apple's perspective. If they create what amounts to a security flaw, and those phones start getting hacked and are used to steal identities / money, the company will be vilified by consumers, and of course the gov't will throw Apple under the bus by saying that Apple should have made what they developed more secure. Ouch! I think if it were me, I would refuse to develop it. The gov't can always work to develop their own i-phone hacking capability.

[Trbayth]

:shocked: So the question must become:
"Is it better to err on the side of safety and security; or on the side of personal freedoms?" :dontknow:

Wasn't there a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin about this?

[jerpinoy]

This is definitely a tough situation. In order to investigate potential connections to other terrorists or organizations the government is asking Apple to develop a process whereby the gov't can hack into i-phones. The potential abuse of this capability is absolutely huge both from a privacy perspective and from the potential for criminals to get access as well. I can completely understand Apple's perspective. If they create what amounts to a security flaw, and those phones start getting hacked and are used to steal identities / money, the company will be vilified by consumers, and of course the gov't will throw Apple under the bus by saying that Apple should have made what they developed more secure. Ouch! I think if it were me, I would refuse to develop it. The gov't can always work to develop their own i-phone hacking capability.


I agree, even if Apple provide help with the highest secrecy. the secrecy will not hold because like Hayden (whistleblower) are around. This might be the reason why Apple hold their ground.

[Mcubed45]

That those spooks and math geniuses at the National Security Agency would be able to hack into the phone. Perhaps the government is just getting lazy. This will be another case before the Supreme Court in a year or two.

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflb lack:

[cuznjohn]

what if apple just unlocks this phone. i am sure apple has the software to do this. so if a judge tells them to unlock a particular phone, let them keep the software and just unlock that one phone

[Bob Denman]

But if THEY develop some sort of "Master Key" for all of these devices; do you really think that they'll be able to keep it a secret??? :shocked: :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflb lack::roflblack:

[ARtraveler]

Another rock/hard place situation.

The request to do this one phone seems harmless enough. The gov't would like the information gleaned from it.

The problem lies in what then happens once the gov't has the information. This is the situation where everything can go South.

:dontknow::dontknow::dontknow: :gaah::gaah::gaah:

[Jeriatric]

It's a government owned and paid for phone. The user had no right to privacy.

[wyliec]

Wasn't there a quote attributed to Benjamin Franklin about this?

Good ole Ben lived in a different time.


"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

How much is 'little', and how long is 'temporary'?

[blacklightning]

If the gov. wants the phone opened, then it should be up to them to develop the software to open it. If they can't do that, tough crap. Maybe this is something they can outsource to China. I am sure someone over there can do it.

[Chupaca]

There is more than the eye can see....:dontknow:

[MMMII]

:shocked: So the question must become:
"Is it better to err on the side of safety and security; or on the side of personal freedoms?" :dontknow:

Without personal freedoms, is there really any form of safety and security?

Good on Apple! Good on Tim Cook!

There is plenty of data on the carrier side that can be obtained and used.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What I've heard is that Apple is saying they CAN'T unlock this phone because there is no method or s/w developed that will do it. What they are refusing to do is develop the s/w to unlock it, if that can in fact be done, because then that s/w would be available for all future phones.

I cannot imagine that the FBI or NSA can't copy all the s/w from inside the phone and work to hack it open. Once they have a copy external to the phone they don't need to worry about the phone erasing itself. I think the judge mistakenly assumed Apple would know how to unlock it without it self-destructing. Apparently they don't know.

[Lamonster]

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

[cuznjohn]

here is what i don't understand, this can be a benefit for national security and possibly save other lives. why is this story on the news, why did apple post a statement for their customers. could this be a publicity stunt by apple to increase sales. stories like this should never make the news. all that apple had to do is take the phone and unlock it, then give it back to the FBI and never let anyone know that they did it.

as far as i am concerned, you do something like the two people did, you have no rights. the FBI could say they hacked the phone if they got any good information out of it and no one would know apple helped them. i would bet apple sales and stock goes up because of this.

[wyliec]

here is what i don't understand, this can be a benefit for national security and possibly save other lives. why is this story on the news, why did apple post a statement for their customers. could this be a publicity stunt by apple to increase sales. stories like this should never make the news. all that apple had to do is take the phone and unlock it, then give it back to the FBI and never let anyone know that they did it.

as far as i am concerned, you do something like the two people did, you have no rights. the FBI could say they hacked the phone if they got any good information out of it and no one would know apple helped them. i would bet apple sales and stock goes up because of this.

I agree, it should never have made the news. But, I don't think it was Apple that initiated the story. As usual it was a news hound that started it b/c he/she felt it was a good story; I think that's called freedom of the press.

[finless]

FYI, I happen to know it can be unlocked!
In fact the government doesn't know what they are doing.
There are even private companies that will enable a iPhone iTunes unlock service that fakes Apples server ID to unlock a locked iPhone.

Apple can do it too and they are blowing smoke.
Apple will, with proof of ownership, unlock a phone on their servers. This is for people that had a death in the family or just forgot their own iTunes info.

Oh and the FBI is not asking for a back door! They simply want this single phone unlocked. The Media is blowing this out of proportion!


Bob

[MMMII]

here is what i don't understand, this can be a benefit for national security and possibly save other lives.

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I wonder what else could be labeled as a benefit to national security and possibly save other lives... Let's ponder this very important question:


National DNA registry
Repeal of the 4th Amendment
Eliminate Physician-patient privilege
Eliminate Attorney client privilege
Repeal the Freedom of Information act
RFID chips embedded at birth for the purpose of citizen tracking
etc..
etc..


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