Home Security systems. Any suggestions?

[mowin]

Ok, since I had 2 chainsaws stolen the other day, I've been researching home surveillance systems like this one.
http://www.amazon.com/Swann-SWDVK-432004-US-3200-Cameras-Black/dp/B00FH2MV80/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

Anyone have something like this? Do they work good? Thinking, like anything, you get what you pay for, but something is
better than nothing.
Really don't want a home security company like ADT.

[AY4B]

I have cameras as well but mine have wireless communication with the system. They work well. Mine came with just 2 cameras but we bought 2 more that I still need to mount. We also have ADT. All backed up with my Springfield XD.40. You cant ever have too much security.
Oh I forgot to add my 6 dogs are also part of the system.

[AY4B]

Also never leave your garage door open without you there.
If you have ever experienced a burglary where they took lots of stuff and basically wrecked your house to get the what they got, you will get all the security you can. The feeling you have from that experience does not leave you.

[AY4B]

I forgot to add, I have lots of outdoor lighting. Those new LED bulbs are a wonderful thing.

[Brentc]

I presently have multiple wireless Logitech cameras that work well, but they only are lasting about 2 years and then they start dying. Logitech has discontinued them and offers no support so I'm out a thousand dollars eventually. Anyway, I've been researching replacements and Lorex seems to be a reputable brand that has my interest. I'll most likely end up with them and post the results. Love having cameras tied to my smartphone with alerts. Nice piece of mind.

[Orange Spyder Man]

a question about wireless cameras... how often do you have to change batteries...

osm

[Bob Denman]

I don't need no stinkin' batteries...

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=123966&stc=1

[DJFaninTN]

this is what I have done for the past 8 years. i cannot tell you how many people, HOA's and fortune 100 companies I got calls from who went cheap and then were not happy. they could not see what they thought they were going to see. there can be a huge difference between what a live picture looks like and what a recorded pic looks like.

yes you always, always, always get what you pay for. i am betting your cell phone has a much better camera than what you are looking at with that system. a one mega pixel camera is 960x1280. that system you are looking at says it is 960x480 so not such a great pic. forget blowing it up and drilling down into the image should you need to look closer at an image.

then if you are looking towards a very bright light or the sun, that camera is going to be blinded. think of it as someone taking a very bright flashlight and shinning it into your eyes. same thing happens to cheaper cameras. to avoid that you would want to look for what is called a wide dynamic range camera. it eliminates that for the most part.

then don't get me started on the cheap 3rd world county wire they use in these kits. it just doesn't hold up to heat and humidity over time.

this is the reason you should find yourself a local independent company who handles video and can sit down with you and help you plan and execute a video system.

[DJFaninTN]

a question about wireless cameras... how often do you have to change batteries...

osm



wireless cameras still need a power supply of some type. in case you are using some type of game camera or something along those lines.

[Motorcycledave]

Fort Knox!!!!!!


I have cameras as well but mine have wireless communication with the system. They work well. Mine came with just 2 cameras but we bought 2 more that I still need to mount. We also have ADT. All backed up with my Springfield XD.40. You cant ever have too much security.
Oh I forgot to add my 6 dogs are also part of the system.

[AY4B]

a question about wireless cameras... how often do you have to change batteries...

osm

You dont use batteries, they plug into any 110 plug. The video signal is what is wireless.

[AY4B]

Mine is called a Uniden Guardian. I got it at Costco. It was one of their least expensive systems. Just a few hundred dollars.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

...Geese or even better Swans.......I'm serious......................Mike , ....................sorry to here about your issue :mad:

[Frank G]

You might take a look at Ring.com I have the doorbell system and plan on adding the security cameras. The system works as advertised. :clap:

[mowin]

...Geese or even better Swans.......I'm serious......................Mike , ....................sorry to here about your issue :mad:

Yes, geese would have alerted me that someone was out there, but what if I wasn't home?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Yes, geese would have alerted me that someone was out there, but what if I wasn't home?
...Actually they do a H*ll of lot more than make noise.....especially Swans......they are really more like Pitbulls that are RABID and They don't back down... :gaah:.......Mike :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: But then you're always dodging all of the extra crap in the yard from them... :banghead:

Which I could never reliably manage to accomplish! :gaah:

[cuznjohn]

i have this system with 8 cameras, all wireless and they work great http://www.amazon.com/Lorex-LH024501C4WB-4-Channel-Blackbox-Connectivity/dp/B00JQ8Y4CC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455126830&sr=8-1&keywords=lorex+wireless+camera+system+with+dvr

[mowin]

The problem I have with the wireless, is the cameras need there own 110v power supply. Kinda tuff running a line to each one.
The wired system has the power, audio/video all in one, and they connect to the DVR. The DVR's 110v power supply powers the whole system.

I've been reading alot about the different systems, camera types. Still not sure which system I'm going to get.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

I don't need no stinkin' batteries...

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=123966&stc=1

yea but that only works if you can see them

[AY4B]

The problem I have with the wireless, is the cameras need there own 110v power supply. Kinda tuff running a line to each one.
The wired system has the power, audio/video all in one, and they connect to the DVR. The DVR's 110v power supply powers the whole system.

I've been reading alot about the different systems, camera types. Still not sure which system I'm going to get.

It's a lot easier to run wire from the nearest plug than each one to the dvr. My shop is about 120 feet from my house. My problem is it can not be placed inside a steel building.

[Bob Denman]

yea but that only works if you can see them

You don't know my unique situation :D
My office is right next door to my house, and we can see everything... :2thumbs:

[mowin]

It's a lot easier to run wire from the nearest plug than each one to the dvr. My shop is about 120 feet from my house. My problem is it can not be placed inside a steel building.

I've got an old house with not a lot of outlets. I'd have lead cords all over the place.

[Bob Denman]

I've got an old house with not a lot of outlets. I'd have lead cords all over the place.
Have you considered having an electrician do some "updating" to your power situation? :dontknow:
All of those lead cords are a potential source for a call to 9-1-1... nojoke

(Sorry... it's just the Insurance Guy; worrying about his friends. :opps:)

[DrewNJ]

yea but that only works if you can see them
Don't need to see much with one of these....just get it pointed generally in the right direction. Also keeps you from shooting your neighbor in his bedroom 3 houses down. 123974

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[DrewNJ]

In all seriousness, a security system is only as good as the response time of the people or company monitoring it, and most are horrible. Cameras are only going to confirm you've been robbed as a simple mask and jacket prevent identification and the systems are easy to disable. The most beneficial part of any system is the yard sign. Even dummy cameras and motion lights keep honest thieves honest.

The best I've found is to keep your junk locked tight/not out in plain sight and don't advertise what you've got.
No matter what, if a thief is going to steal your stuff, they are going to get it. Its just important to try to make it difficult so that they would rather go somewhere else instead.

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[DJFaninTN]

I've got an old house with not a lot of outlets. I'd have lead cords all over the place.




go read up on POE cameras. POE is power over ethernet and much better way to go. spend a few extra bucks and go CAT6

[mowin]

Have you considered having an electrician do some "updating" to your power situation? :dontknow:
All of those lead cords are a potential source for a call to 9-1-1... nojoke

(Sorry... it's just the Insurance Guy; worrying about his friends. :opps:)

Thats why I'm passing on the wireless camera system.

[Cavman]

I've heard about the Simply Safe System on the radio. But since my cell service sucks here, I wouldn't have the option of it calling the fire or police departments via cellphone.
The system looks reasonably priced.

[Bob Denman]

Don't need to see much with one of these....just get it pointed generally in the right direction. Also keeps you from shooting your neighbor in his bedroom 3 houses down. 123974
:agree: Load them with #9 shot, and it's about all that you need... :thumbup:


In all seriousness, a security system is only as good as the response time of the people or company monitoring it, and most are horrible. Cameras are only going to confirm you've been robbed as a simple mask and jacket prevent identification and the systems are easy to disable. The most beneficial part of any system is the yard sign. Even dummy cameras and motion lights keep honest thieves honest.

The best I've found is to keep your junk locked tight/not out in plain sight and don't advertise what you've got.
No matter what, if a thief is going to steal your stuff, they are going to get it. Its just important to try to make it difficult so that they would rather go somewhere else instead.
:agree::agree: :2thumbs:

[jerpinoy]

Ever since I installed my cameras around my house I've notice less people walked in front of my house side walk. I bought these video cam from the thrift shop and garage sales for $1 each. They are not even working but they work for me.:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::ro flblack::roflblack:. My neighbor paid $700 for his security system.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

In all seriousness, a security system is only as good as the response time of the people or company monitoring it, and most are horrible.
Not writing from direct first hand knowledge but I understand that because of the number of false alarms police departments pay little attention to alarm systems going off. Even businesses don't get the attention they think they will because of false alarms. We disconnected the alarm monitoring service at the church I attended in Louisiana because of that.

Lighting and making it so a crook has to spend time to steal are the best anti-theft actions. Crooks don't like to have to spend time getting something stolen, and of course don't want to be seen doing it.

[Netminder]

Ever since I installed my cameras around my house I've notice less people walked in front of my house side walk. I bought these video cam from the thrift shop and garage sales for $1 each. They are not even working but they work for me.:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::ro flblack::roflblack:. My neighbor paid $700 for his security system.
My Swann 8 camera POE system cost 1000 cdn. But I figure you can not put a price on feeling safe. I also have a monitored system as will as a bunch of other deterrents, such as timers, and other things that make like someone is home. After I was robbed the cops said as many layers as you can Is the best deterrent. Good luck on you choice!

[SpyderAnn01]

Not writing from direct first hand knowledge but I understand that because of the number of false alarms police departments pay little attention to alarm systems going off. Even businesses don't get the attention they think they will because of false alarms. We disconnected the alarm monitoring service at the church I attended in Louisiana because of that.

Lighting and making it so a crook has to spend time to steal are the best anti-theft actions. Crooks don't like to have to spend time getting something stolen, and of course don't want to be seen doing it.

Most alarms are not sent directly to the PD, they go to a monitoring company who tries to contact you first, if no contact they send a representative. If they get a hold of you and you think there is an issue they will send the PD.

[tobor9]

I have a 16 cam. Q-See system from costco,have only 12 cams now but can add,1.5TB HD space to record and monitor in family Rm so i can keep an eye on them. I don't like wireless systems as they use 2.4Mgz and this is too busy with Wi-Fi and other wireless systems plus having to run AC power service .

[r1100rider]

I have a 16 cam. Q-See system from costco,have only 12 cams now but can add,1.5TB HD space to record and monitor in family Rm so i can keep an eye on them. I don't like wireless systems as they use 2.4Mgz and this is too busy with Wi-Fi and other wireless systems plus having to run AC power service .
That is the problem I had with wireless they stomped on my internet router and killed my internet coverage otherwise it was great and easy to set up

[DJFaninTN]

Not writing from direct first hand knowledge but I understand that because of the number of false alarms police departments pay little attention to alarm systems going off. Even businesses don't get the attention they think they will because of false alarms. We disconnected the alarm monitoring service at the church I attended in Louisiana because of that.

Lighting and making it so a crook has to spend time to steal are the best anti-theft actions. Crooks don't like to have to spend time getting something stolen, and of course don't want to be seen doing it.






What a lot of local PD's & cities are requiring is actual video verification before responding to an active alarm. Because so many PD's are understaffed and because they must deal with so many false alarms. You might actually be shocked just how few LEO's are working in certain areas during certain hours.

Here is how it works. Your property is monitored by video. Camera senses motion and sends video to your monitoring station (which you are paying a monthly charge for them to monitor for you). Operator receives an alarm and looks at your video to determine if it's a friend or foe? They will then call you and verify friend or foe? If it's a foe then local LEO's are dispatched and told there is video verification and given a description of the perps.

This is the wave of the future in security and if your city or local PD hasn't gone in this direction, I can assure you they will.

[Orange Spyder Man]

wireless cameras still need a power supply of some type. in case you are using some type of game camera or something along those lines.

why are they called "wireless" ??? :dontknow:

osm

[Brettssunshine]

We have a Frontpoint system in our house. I was researching security systems and found this one on Angie's list. We don't have any cameras yet, but this company offers them. Their whole system is wireless except for the control system that plugs into an outlet. What sold me on the system was the remote access via cell phone and the ability to be able to turn lights on and off no matter where you are. We have door sensors, glass break sensors, and a smoke detector. They even have long range sensors for outlying buildings on your property. We pay about $45 a month.

We also have 3 dogs, which saved us one night around mid-night when someone came knocking on our door before we got our system. We also have several types of hand guns hidden all over our house.

[mowin]

why are they called "wireless" ??? :dontknow:

osm

There's no wires going from the camera to the DVR. The video is sent to the DVR via the Internet.

[Pennyrick]

This has been an interesting thread to review.

We live inside the city limits but on a very lightly travelled street that ends up being an unpaved county road by the time it gets a couple of miles past our house. We live on a few wooded acres with the house being about 450 feet from the road.

Three year's ago one of my neighbors came home to find a pick up in his driveway with two folks loading it up from the garage out of his house. They had broken in through the garage door and were about loaded up when he arrived. He blocked them in with his truck and chased them with his Glock in hand, finally trapping them at the bottom of a creek that runs through my property.

It took about thirty minutes for the local police to arrive although they claim their response time is less than fifteen minutes.

He then installed a very expensive monitoring system and a month or so later my neighbor on the other side did the same. For about a year we had about two false alarms per month as they either neglected to turn some switch on or off or because of wind or storm problems. Finally the police stopped coming in response to the alarms sayng they would only respond if the owners themselves called them. Now they trip one of their alarms about every other month.

Instead of an alarm, I increased the height of the chain link fence surrounding the property and gave our dogs (a great dane and an aussie) the run of the acreage behind the house with a large doggie door allowing them access to the house. In the front I added an electric solar powered gate at the bridge going over the creek that requires a signal from the house or one of our cars to open and close. The creek bed is deep enough that a normal four wheel drive vehicle can not cross it when the gate is closed. My belief is that crooks are too lazy to cart stolen stuff back and forth from the house to the road.

I just can't see the value of an alarm (loud or silent) alerting some third party who then has to alert a law enforcement agency with such lousy response times. Nor do I want to spend money on cameras to take pictures of bad folks stealing my stuff.

Both of our dogs have keen enough hearing to tell us if anyone is at our gate or within 100 yards or so of the acreage bordering our property in the rear.

We also have an assortment of things to act as a deterrent if things do get to close range.

[Brettssunshine]

Personally, I don't want the alarm system on my home to alert the alarm company to alert the police.....I have it so that I will know if someone comes in my home while I'm there. If I'm not there and they take stuff....that stuff can be replaced. We have three stories to our house and there are doors to all three levels. I want to know when someone brakes in a door or window in my home. That knowledge gives me the edge to grab a gun, where ever I happen to be in the house and position myself in a spot to defend myself. I hope that I never have to do that....but I want the upper hand. :pray:

[JimVonBaden]

I've heard about the Simply Safe System on the radio. But since my cell service sucks here, I wouldn't have the option of it calling the fire or police departments via cellphone.
The system looks reasonably priced.
I have SimplySafe, and have for years. It works great. My local police are very responsive, and the loud alarms will scare most away. Very easy to install, and very reasonably priced.I like that it is $15 a month, and you can start and stop it at will.

Camera systems are great at letting you know you got robbed, but do nothing to stop a thief.

[JimVonBaden]

I've heard about the Simply Safe System on the radio. But since my cell service sucks here, I wouldn't have the option of it calling the fire or police departments via cellphone.
The system looks reasonably priced.
You can have it also back up to a wired phone connection.

[2dogs]

Seriously, Drew is spot on. Lights and cameras and so on do not necessarily prevent thefts. They only confirm a theft took place. Crime, burglaries and thefts are akin to free flowing water. They seek the course of least resistance, both physical and psychological. What I think you are looking for is prevention. Forming barriers both physical and psychological will do more to prevent crime from happening than anything else. Security on doors and windows to prevent entry is your first step. Psychological barriers, possibly better than physical barriers, is your second step to preventing thefts. Simply by making it time consuming and a greater likelihood that the crook will be seen and caught is your best deterrent to crime.

[Bob Denman]

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[2dogs]

You got it Bob, whatever works. The 3/8" chain locked to the front porch piller and the recording of big dog barking instead of a normal doorbell sound works too. :cheers:

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i have a camera going into my garage in a week or so with alarm & also an intercom since it is a detached
garage so my wife can nag me without being near me.

[Bob Denman]

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[MEP]

I've got an Arlo (Netgear) system, both wired and wireless cameras, and a Ring video doorbell. It's a good, reliable system that works for me. The batteries in the outdoor wireless cameras last me about 3-4 months, but that will vary and depend on much recording they are configured to do. Once dialed in, the Ring video doorbell is great. Sometimes, scouts will try to see if anyone answers the door before deciding whether or not to break in. With the Ring video doorbell and app you can answer the door from anyplace, and you've got video to boot. It will also record motion that it senses within its configured range and zones.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I was talking with a local guy who does all sorts of electronic system installs. He commented that most security systems, particularly wired ones, use proprietary cables and connectors. I wouldn't be surprised if wireless ones use proprietary communication protocols. If you have a problem and need replacement parts get ready to pay dearly. There's probably not much that you can do to avoid getting stung, but at least be aware that problems later with any security system may hurt your wallet.

[Bob Denman]

I prefer to handle security concerns in my own, FUN way! :thumbup:


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[Rogue Hawk]

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[Tazzel]

I've got an Arlo (Netgear) system, both wired and wireless cameras, and a Ring video doorbell. It's a good, reliable system that works for me. The batteries in the outdoor wireless cameras last me about 3-4 months, but that will vary and depend on much recording they are configured to do. Once dialed in, the Ring video doorbell is great. Sometimes, scouts will try to see if anyone answers the door before deciding whether or not to break in. With the Ring video doorbell and app you can answer the door from anyplace, and you've got video to boot. It will also record motion that it senses within its configured range and zones.


I have Arlo as well. I have 4 cameras total, 3 outside, 1 inside. The cameras are waterproof and I have had them outside in -11 degrees with no issues. They are wireless but you do have to have a wireless connection and the cameras must be able to communicate to your modem. The batteries are not that expensive a box of 12 will cost you about 15.00 on Amazon with free shipping and last 4 to 6 months. You don't pay for any services if you have 5 or less cameras and the video is stored in the cloud so you never run out of room. The video can be downloaded to save if it catches something interesting. Arlo will save your video for up to 1 month. The 1st of the month it will clear all your video and start new the first of each month. It will notify you immediately by email if it detects something. So since I carry my cell phone I get the emails within seconds and can view the video clip to see what is going on, its usually the mailman. The video is not bad and it does have night vision. For the money I think its pretty good.

[DJFaninTN]

I was talking with a local guy who does all sorts of electronic system installs. He commented that most security systems, particularly wired ones, use proprietary cables and connectors. I wouldn't be surprised if wireless ones use proprietary communication protocols. If you have a problem and need replacement parts get ready to pay dearly. There's probably not much that you can do to avoid getting stung, but at least be aware that problems later with any security system may hurt your wallet.


Being in this industry for the past ten years I would disagree with your friends information. I think he is talking about actual burglary systems. Each company has lock out codes on their panels. This is to keep unauthorized people from making changes on your system. If you switch alarm companies they may or may not be able to use your current control panel and keypad. Those are not normally that much as far as cost. Maybe $150 or so. If you are using a cell communicator they most likely will have to change that as well.

There were some older systems years ago that used small microphones to listen in and see if there was someone in the building. That is very old technology and isn't used that much any longer.

On the video most cameras use either siamese cable or cat 5E or sometimes cat 6. Those can be easily found at most part stores and hardware stores or on line. The software used is most likely proprietary. The connector ends are not proprietary. There are more limitations on some of the cheaper software.

Here is a very important thing to remember on wireless camera systems. If you lose your internet connection or your power goes out. You most likely are not going to have video unless your camera has an SD card slot and it has an SD card inside of it. No power or no internet connection means no video being recorded. You'd be surprised how much your internet goes down and then comes back up. At least with a hardwired system as long as you have power, your video is going to a DVR or NVR. You can review it later should an event occur.

Most states require that video has a time/date stamp watermark on the RECORDED image. Just because you see it on the live video does not mean it is automatically on the RECORDED video. The reason the time/date stamp watermark is important is the court wants to make sure that crime committed actually happened when it was reported and not days before or after.

[Mr. Pickels]

Being in this industry for the past ten years I would disagree with your friends information. I think he is talking about actual burglary systems. Each company has lock out codes on their panels. This is to keep unauthorized people from making changes on your system. If you switch alarm companies they may or may not be able to use your current control panel and keypad. Those are not normally that much as far as cost. Maybe $150 or so. If you are using a cell communicator they most likely will have to change that as well.

There were some older systems years ago that used small microphones to listen in and see if there was someone in the building. That is very old technology and isn't used that much any longer.

On the video most cameras use either siamese cable or cat 5E or sometimes cat 6. Those can be easily found at most part stores and hardware stores or on line. The software used is most likely proprietary. The connector ends are not proprietary. There are more limitations on some of the cheaper software.

Here is a very important thing to remember on wireless camera systems. If you lose your internet connection or your power goes out. You most likely are not going to have video unless your camera has an SD card slot and it has an SD card inside of it. No power or no internet connection means no video being recorded. You'd be surprised how much your internet goes down and then comes back up. At least with a hardwired system as long as you have power, your video is going to a DVR or NVR. You can review it later should an event occur.

Most states require that video has a time/date stamp watermark on the RECORDED image. Just because you see it on the live video does not mean it is automatically on the RECORDED video. The reason the time/date stamp watermark is important is the court wants to make sure that crime committed actually happened when it was reported and not days before or after.

:agree: