Has the nanny learned to play nice with LEDs on the 2015?

[Thebrainn]

While I'm relatively happy with the brightness of the LED brake light on the 2015 RT, the turn signals leave a bit to be desired. My wife, who i generally anti-farkle, even said I should upgrade/augment the rear turn signals.

I have searched through a bunch of threads trying to find out if anyone has had success with LED turn signal bulbs but the threads I have found either deal with older models or don't address the question from experience. While I appreciate that you heard from your brother's wife's cousin's hairdresser that there are no LED bulbs that will work as replacements, does anyone have actual experience with trying to replace the incandescent rear turn signal bulbs on a 2015 with LED bulbs?

If I can't replace the rear turn signal bulbs with LEDs, I would like to get something that mounts similar to the Tricled strip that mounts where the trunk opens (4th brake light?) but it would need to be two strips of amber LEDs to augment the turn signals. I think I looked at every light on Tricled's website and didn't find anything along those lines. Anyone have suggestions where I can get a couple of low profile but bright amber LED strips to mount there as turn signals?

[JKMSPYDER]

​Check out Custom Dynamics. They have turn signal LED's and they are a site sponsor.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I have LED's all over my 2014 RT that do all sorts of things. I've never had any issues with any of them, annnnnnnnnnnnnnd they ALL are DIY ....I buy / bought long strips and cut them down to the size I needed.....The LED's draw so little power the Nanny doesn't even notice they are there. At least that's been my experience so far..........................If you use bulbs with a filament ....that's a whole different story......DON'T..............Mike :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

I have added TricLED's 3rd and 4th brakelights, and their LED turnsignal indicators in the mirror housings...
No problems at all!! :thumbup:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110552&stc=1 http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110553&stc=1

[finless]

He is asking if he can REPLACE the stock blubs with LEDs. Not adding lights.

Unlike previous years that would get a fast flash the 2014/15 have a calibration routine to fix the fast flash issues. BUT how far this calibration will work when replacing bulbs, I do not know. Most people use it when the "add" led lights to the existing lights.

Bob

[Bob Denman]

Changing the incandescent bulb over to an LED design will certainly have far less effect to the system; than the addition of more LEDs... :thumbup:

[Thebrainn]

He is asking if he can REPLACE the stock blubs with LEDs. Not adding lights.

Unlike previous years that would get a fast flash the 2014/15 have a calibration routine to fix the fast flash issues. BUT how far this calibration will work when replacing bulbs, I do not know. Most people use it when the "add" led lights to the existing lights.

Bob

BINGO!!! That's exactly what I want to do.:cheers:



Changing the incandescent bulb over to an LED design will certainly have far less effect to the system; than the addition of more LEDs... :thumbup:

Thanks! I will be giving it a try as soon as I can find some suitable replacement bulbs. I have read that the turn signal bulbs on the RT have an odd pin arrangement. I actually might just try to cleanly replace the bulbs with Custom Dynamics clusters hardwired if I cannot find a suitable bulb.

[Shiznit98204]

This guy is a spyder tech in Vancouver, WA. Has an interesting topic here on this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olnjpcfEjQ4

Just FYI.

[Ben Burped]

While I'm relatively happy with the brightness of the LED brake light on the 2015 RT, the turn signals leave a bit to be desired. My wife, who i generally anti-farkle, even said I should upgrade/augment the rear turn signals.

I have searched through a bunch of threads trying to find out if anyone has had success with LED turn signal bulbs but the threads I have found either deal with older models or don't address the question from experience. While I appreciate that you heard from your brother's wife's cousin's hairdresser that there are no LED bulbs that will work as replacements, does anyone have actual experience with trying to replace the incandescent rear turn signal bulbs on a 2015 with LED bulbs?

If I can't replace the rear turn signal bulbs with LEDs, I would like to get something that mounts similar to the Tricled strip that mounts where the trunk opens (4th brake light?) but it would need to be two strips of amber LEDs to augment the turn signals. I think I looked at every light on Tricled's website and didn't find anything along those lines. Anyone have suggestions where I can get a couple of low profile but bright amber LED strips to mount there as turn signals?

Please consider the installation of Custom Dynamics mud flap replacement LEDs along with their adapter that allows it to also flash with the signal lights. This takes the place of the useless reflector on the front wheel mud flaps. My wife told me that she could not see me safely when following me. The mud flap lights made an amazing difference and now she feels that I'm much more visible. I have had no problems with the "nannie" or a fast flash rate. Finally, they function as an additional signal light indicator as I personally don't see the small flashing green lights very well.

[Thebrainn]

Please consider the installation of Custom Dynamics mud flap replacement LEDs along with their adapter that allows it to also flash with the signal lights. This takes the place of the useless reflector on the front wheel mud flaps. My wife told me that she could not see me safely when following me. The mud flap lights made an amazing difference and now she feels that I'm much more visible. I have had no problems with the "nannie" or a fast flash rate. Finally, they function as an additional signal light indicator as I personally don't see the small flashing green lights very well.

Thank you for the suggestion, but the 2015 RT-S does not have mudflaps. I believe that is only on the base model RT without the new style fenders with the raised portion in the middle. That said, there is a similar reflector that is oriented vertically rather than horizontally. Tricled and some others (I believe) offer an LED replacement for this reflector. I'm keeping that in mind, but the price for the lights with the turn signal module is fairly pricey.

[Thebrainn]

This guy is a spyder tech in Vancouver, WA. Has an interesting topic here on this video.


Just FYI.

Thanks. I appreciate your post but I have a bone to pick with videos like this. The guy may very well be an excellent Spyder tech, but his arrogant, know it all, paternalistic approach doesn't help. Rather than offer an explanation of why there was a problem with the top trunk LED and there was not a problem with the other LEDs, he chooses to just say one is bad and the other is ok. Watching the whole video, he repeats this attitude when talking about other aftermarket items (non-OEM). This kind of approach may be fine for people who buy a bike and leave it as is until they sell it or who pay the dealership to install everything, but for anyone who adds even the most basic farkles themselves, the "I know better than you" video he made is useless. I'm not criticizing you, and I really do appreciate the help, but videos like his that say "don't do this" without the "why" are useless beyond the most basic warning that you may run into trouble if you try it. He also failed to say what year and trim level RT he was riding. Considering the changes made by BRP every year, and especially considering you can now reprogram the flasher, leaving that information out is a major failure on his part.

I have ordered 2 of the proper base LED replacements for the rear turns. I'll make sure I leave the original bulbs in the trunk along with the tools to do a roadside repair should they cause an issue. I'll post my results when I know the actual ground truth.

At the risk of repeating myself again, I really do appreciate your post. I asked my question on this forum because of people like you who offer suggestions. I just wish the guy who made this video would have tried to educate people rather than berate them.

[finless]

This guy is a spyder tech in Vancouver, WA. Has an interesting topic here on this video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olnjpcfEjQ4

Just FYI.

I know Shawn a little. But I do not agree fully with what he is saying and some of what he says is not accurate.

None of the after market light add-ons have a chip in them to fool the Can-Buss!

I have to assume that specific LED strip that was added to the trunk lid shorted or had some load problem, or whoever wired it screwed up on doing so.

MAN MANY Spyder owners have added the HMT trunk brake light and the strips you show in the video to the back end. All of them tap into the existing light harness. But like anything if you over load or under load the light circuits, you can have issues I agree 100%. The Spyder monitors that stuff and reports errors. This is more to tell you that you have a light out e.g. like a fast blink on the turn signal.

So again that light she added, which by the way I have never seen sold as a after market add-on, obviously was too much for the Spyder. It would be interesting to know where she got that light strip from and why it caused VCM errors. My guess was off the shelf like Auto Zone or something. I suspect it was a loading issue with that light strip.

Bob

[Thebrainn]

Today I installed two LED turn signal bulbs in my 2015 RT-S. These are the ones I got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

They have the correct base and plug right in without fuss. As expected, they caused the hyper flash but they did not throw a fault code or put the bike into limp mode. I reprogrammed the signals using the method Lamonster describes in his Youtube video on the topic.

The bike flashed normal once. After cancelling that signal and activating the turn signal again, it reverted to hyper flash. Still no fault code or limp mode so I took the bike out for a 30 minute test ride including about 15 turns. I signaled for every turn and had no nanny issues. I'm not saying the nanny will stay quiet forever, but so far she doesn't seem to mind. If you can tolerate the fast flash, the brightness is way more than the stock incandescent bulbs.

I can live with it for the added visibility. Maybe I'll try to slow it down with a resistor, but for now I rate this mod a tentative success. :2thumbs:

Since I know people will throw rotten vegetables at me if I don't post a video, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dodL0QP-tg&feature=youtu.be

[Thebrainn]

I tried to embed the video but couldn't make it work. If a mod or someone else wants to do so, please do.

[finless]

Today I installed two LED turn signal bulbs in my 2015 RT-S. These are the ones I got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

They have the correct base and plug right in without fuss. As expected, they caused the hyper flash but they did not throw a fault code or put the bike into limp mode. I reprogrammed the signals using the method Lamonster describes in his Youtube video on the topic.

The bike flashed normal once. After cancelling that signal and activating the turn signal again, it reverted to hyper flash. Still no fault code or limp mode so I took the bike out for a 30 minute test ride including about 15 turns. I signaled for every turn and had no nanny issues. I'm not saying the nanny will stay quiet forever, but so far she doesn't seem to mind. If you can tolerate the fast flash, the brightness is way more than the stock incandescent bulbs.

I can live with it for the added visibility. Maybe I'll try to slow it down with a resistor, but for now I rate this mod a tentative success. :2thumbs:

Since I know people will throw rotten vegetables at me if I don't post a video, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dodL0QP-tg&feature=youtu.be


Your 2015 has a calibration routine you can use to fix the hyper flash.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpuEqpiTm4M

Bob

[Thebrainn]

Your 2015 has a calibration routine you can use to fix the hyper flash.



Bob

Bob, that is the procedure I followed after installation. The problem is that the recalibration doesn't stick. It stays calibrated for one use of he signals and then goes back to the hyper flash the next time you use the signal. I presume this is because the resistance is so far out of spec from normal resistance that the computer refuses to allow it. Even if I added LEDs all over the bike, the resistance wouldn't change much. Replacing the incandescent with an LED however, significantly changes the resistance. Damn ohms!

Beyond that, I got a DESS error yesterday. I turned the key off and right back on and the error was gone. I'm on the fence now as to what I want to do. I think I'm going to leave the LED bulbs in for a few more rides. I'll be unable to ride for the next two weeks but I may give it a few days or so after that to see if the DESS error returns or if it was just a coincidence. I may also try an LED resistor. I'm betting that if I install the resistor, the hyper flash will stay away after the recalibration. I'll just have to wait a couple weeks before I can tinker with it.

[Thebrainn]

So I've added a couple hundred miles to the :ani29: since replacing the rear turn signal bulbs with the LED bulbs mentioned above. The nanny has not given me any issues other than the hyperflash. Since the DESS error I experienced has not returned, I am going to say that was unrelated. The hyperflash has remained, even though I have tried to recalibrate multiple times. Actually, it almost seems like the nanny tries to recalibrate the flash rate on her own as I have noticed the flash pattern will occasionally slow down to normal on it's own and then return to hyperflash. Other than that, I have no issues and much brighter turn signals.

So the final verdict is that LED bulbs will work, but you will not be able to get rid of the hyperflash without resistors. I have not tried to add resistors yet so I don't know if that will cure the hyperflash or not. Remember, I'm not talking about adding LEDs but rather replacing an incandescent bulb with an LED bulb.

[qasamm]

Today I installed two LED turn signal bulbs in my 2015 RT-S. These are the ones I got: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

They have the correct base and plug right in without fuss. As expected, they caused the hyper flash but they did not throw a fault code or put the bike into limp mode. I reprogrammed the signals using the method Lamonster describes in his Youtube video on the topic.

The bike flashed normal once. After cancelling that signal and activating the turn signal again, it reverted to hyper flash. Still no fault code or limp mode so I took the bike out for a 30 minute test ride including about 15 turns. I signaled for every turn and had no nanny issues. I'm not saying the nanny will stay quiet forever, but so far she doesn't seem to mind. If you can tolerate the fast flash, the brightness is way more than the stock incandescent bulbs.

I can live with it for the added visibility. Maybe I'll try to slow it down with a resistor, but for now I rate this mod a tentative success. :2thumbs:

Since I know people will throw rotten vegetables at me if I don't post a video, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dodL0QP-tg&feature=youtu.be

I used these as LED replacements on my 15 F3. No hyperflash and no problems. I also have plenty of other LEDs feeding off the signal feeds both front and rear.


Sam Mancuso
2015 F3-S and 2009 RS

[HayRog]

Finless and Lamonster,
Thank you, thank you ............. for the video on the calibration routine for "fast flashing" of the indicators.
Worked like a charm after I installed aux LED's to the turn signals and got "fast flash"

[beast68]

I use the following bulbs.
For the turn signals http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00.
For the backup lights http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NPIN8FI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00.
No problems with nanny. Hyperflash had to be reset as above but has nor returned in of 3k of riding since installation.
This is on a 2014 rts.

[Kc6wfi]

I have LED's all over my 2014 RT that do all sorts of things. I've never had any issues with any of them, annnnnnnnnnnnnnd they ALL are DIY ....I buy / bought long strips and cut them down to the size I needed.....The LED's draw so little power the Nanny doesn't even notice they are there. At least that's been my experience so far..........................If you use bulbs with a filament ....that's a whole different story......DON'T..............Mike :thumbup:

I have a question. I bought two LED strips for mirror turn signal lights, which wire is the positive on the bike. I think it is the one with the strip on it. I have a 2015 rts.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I have a question. I bought two LED strips for mirror turn signal lights, which wire is the positive on the bike. I think it is the one with the strip on it. I have a 2015 rts.
I did the same as you ( a long time ago ).......I didn't even do any splicing LED wires are so thin, after un-plugging the TURN signal wire for the mirror I put the LED wires into the socket and re-connected it......Follow the +/- on the signal wires.........when I put my turn signal on my LED on the mirror blinks......Mike :bbq:

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I have a question. I bought two LED strips for mirror turn signal lights, which wire is the positive on the bike.
The one that ain't negative! :roflblack: :roflblack: :roflblack:

Sorry, I couldn't help it! Actually, that is a good rule most of the time. I believe all the wires that go directly to ground, which is of course negative, are black. So if you have something like a light and it has a black wire and a colored wire, you can be pretty sure the black is ground so that means the colored is positive. If the wire is orange that will be, always I think, a direct 12 volt power lead, either keyed or unkeyed.

[Lew L]

I use the following bulbs.
For the turn signals http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XV4W686?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00.
For the backup lights http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NPIN8FI?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o08_s00.
No problems with nanny. Hyperflash had to be reset as above but has nor returned in of 3k of riding since installation.
This is on a 2014 rts.


I just ordered these lights. Trust they will work, if not I'mm comming to get ya':joke::joke: How about some ideas for the front turn signals??

Kaos

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I just ordered these lights. Trust they will work, if not I'mm comming to get ya':joke::joke: How about some ideas for the front turn signals??

Kaos
Help us here......what exactly do you want to accomplish that the OEM's aren't doing for you ???.......Mike :bbq:

[lou49]

Thanks. I appreciate your post but I have a bone to pick with videos like this. The guy may very well be an excellent Spyder tech, but his arrogant, know it all, paternalistic approach doesn't help. Rather than offer an explanation of why there was a problem with the top trunk LED and there was not a problem with the other LEDs, he chooses to just say one is bad and the other is ok. Watching the whole video, he repeats this attitude when talking about other aftermarket items (non-OEM). This kind of approach may be fine for people who buy a bike and leave it as is until they sell it or who pay the dealership to install everything, but for anyone who adds even the most basic farkles themselves, the "I know better than you" video he made is useless. I'm not criticizing you, and I really do appreciate the help, but videos like his that say "don't do this" without the "why" are useless beyond the most basic warning that you may run into trouble if you try it. He also failed to say what year and trim level RT he was riding. Considering the changes made by BRP every year, and especially considering you can now reprogram the flasher, leaving that information out is a major failure on his part.

I have ordered 2 of the proper base LED replacements for the rear turns. I'll make sure I leave the original bulbs in the trunk along with the tools to do a roadside repair should they cause an issue. I'll post my results when I know the actual ground truth.

At the risk of repeating myself again, I really do appreciate your post. I asked my question on this forum because of people like you who offer suggestions. I just wish the guy who made this video would have tried to educate people rather than berate them.
I would like to replace my turn signal bulbs also. Can you tell me where did you get yours? Thanks!

[Lew L]

Help us here......what exactly do you want to accomplish that the OEM's aren't doing for you ???.......Mike :bbq:


I've never trusted the drivers behind me.** Brighter,crisper llighting has got to help. I've always up graded my lighting on every vehical I own. I have the CustomDynamics High Mount brake light--really adds to the visibility when the brakes are applied. I usually ryde with the fog lite on and hi-beams during the day ( unless I'm behind another vehical).

To Many drivers in this city are driving impared and I just want to be seen. Thusly my wuestion about front turnsignals. I just don't want to hear------"officer- I just didn't see him"-----

As to the backup lites I ordered-----My wife says I can't backup ( she is wrong but don't tell her I said so:yikes:) I park in a darkish gargage- always backing in (for a quick getaway:sour:----- in between two motorcycles and the more light the better.

Getting hit or hitting something will cause::::::::::

Kaos

** The first rule of Italian driving-----" What's behind you is not important" Gumball Rally

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I've never trusted the drivers behind me.** Brighter,crisper llighting has got to help. I've always up graded my lighting on every vehical I own. I have the CustomDynamics High Mount brake light--really adds to the visibility when the brakes are applied. I usually ryde with the fog lite on and hi-beams during the day ( unless I'm behind another vehical).

To Many drivers in this city are driving impared and I just want to be seen. Thusly my wuestion about front turnsignals. I just don't want to hear------"officer- I just didn't see him"-----

As to the backup lites I ordered-----My wife says I can't backup ( she is wrong but don't tell her I said so:yikes:) I park in a darkish gargage- always backing in (for a quick getaway:sour:----- in between two motorcycles and the more light the better.

Getting hit or hitting something will cause::::::::::

Kaos

** The first rule of Italian driving-----" What's behind you is not important" Gumball Rally
..I agree with everything you've said about being seen......but I'm not sure of what else you can do about the FRONT turn signals to improve them.......Maybe turn the TIP lights on the fenders to work as TURN signals....Someone here ( a vendor ) must make something that will combine the functions......:dontknow:......Mike :bbq:

[Lew L]

I recieved the back LED bulbs and following theowners manual there was NOway to get the bulb sockets out. You must also remove the black, lower cover ( holds the plate and rear fender). Then 3 more screws to remove the whole rear lighting bucket.-------then it's EASY.

Kaos

[Lew L]

The LED signal lights discussed in this thread have been recieved and installed. These lights are exceptionally BRIGHT. Really----- don't look directly at them for more than a sec. or two. You will get hyper flash and I had to try a few times to fix it. When Lamont says "HOLD DOWN" the flasher button he means it. But the 14's and newer 1330 :spyder2: will fix hyper flash


Again these lights will wake up the distracted fools who drive among us. It is a farkel worth considering and you don't have to remove the mirrors;).

Hyper flash causes::::::::
Kaos

[Lew L]

..I agree with everything you've said about being seen......but I'm not sure of what else you can do about the FRONT turn signals to improve them.......Maybe turn the TIP lights on the fenders to work as TURN signals....Someone here ( a vendor ) must make something that will combine the functions......:dontknow:......Mike :bbq:


I know that many motorycyles ( my V-Max included) has front marker lights that are also the front signal lights----so it's doable.


Kaos

[Lew L]

The dreaded hyperflash has returned!!! I'll try resetting it but I may just solder in the resistors.

Does any body know what value and wattage the resistor should be???

Thanks in advance.

Kaos

[Peter Aawen]

Hey Kaos, since (if all else fails) one way of getting computers to accept LED's on most other vehicles is to just extend the LED wiring into the trunk & fit/include a normal incandescent globe in it; you should be able to find a resistor that 'matches' those values fairly readily - or just add an 'always on' light to your trunk/frunk or underbody somewhere! ;)

But do make sure to remember to turn it & your LEDs off when you walk away from the Spyder! :p

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

The dreaded hyperflash has returned!!! I'll try resetting it but I may just solder in the resistors.

Does any body know what value and wattage the resistor should be???
Did you hold the hazard button in long enough? I found this evening you have to hold it quite awhile. I watched the turn indicator arrows on the dash. At first they flashed at different rates, then slowly they became synchronized and the hyperflash was gone. In another thread someone said the cluster screen will flash or hiccup, but I never saw that.

[Lew L]

I actually timed it to a bit over 30 sec holding the flasher button down. Worked but only for a while. I'll try a few more times and watch the video again also. I must be missing something.
Hey Peter, I installed actual bulbs---- no wires. I'll solder in resistors no problemo--------BUT-------

What is the value and wattage of the resistors?????


Some electrical wizard out there must know how to manipulate Ohms law to find out????

Kaos

[ursamajor35126]

The resistance of an incandescent bulb starts low then increases as the bulb heats up. Since LED's are a constant load you don't have as much resistance. I would suggest 100 ohm 1 watt resisters in series with the positive lead. That should fix the problem. As always, YMMV. Good luck.

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[Lew L]

Did some research and found a suggested 50 watt at 6 ohms wired in parallel. So of course I'm really confused now??????? :banghead: Has anyone actually put in a resistor that works with a LED BULB ????

The wrong resistor might cause ::::::
Kaos

[ursamajor35126]

Contact Reggie at TricLed and ask him what size they use. They put a resistor in line on their kits.

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[Big Will 51]

The resister has to be in parallel to fix the hyper flash. The LEDs don't pull as much current as the bulb. The common turn signals are around 24 watts, so 2 amps for a 12V system. The LEDs draw maybe 1/4 of that so 0.5 amp. The math says 6 to 8 ohms at 50 watts. The high wattage on the resister is to keep it from burning up. If you got it at 25 Watts or lower it would start to over heat if the blinker is on very long. Mount the resisters in a spot that are not on the plastic and so they get some air flow, they can still get hot. You might try a higher value resister if you have one and see if that will let the :spyder2: fix the hyper flash. Going to 20 ohms you would only need a 20W resister and you would keep the current load down. Why waist it doing nothing.

[Lew L]

Thanks gentlemen,

The hyper flash is in remission fo now and the LED llights are bright!!!!!

Kaos