Dry Club or Not?

[Pirate looks at --]

We have a chapter of SRA here in Sacramento and we have made the decision that we would be a "Dry Club", ie we don't allow the consumption of alcohol on any of our Club Sanctioned Rydes. I am totally in favor of this as I don't want anything clouding my mind while I am ryding, and I recall the scenery much better that way. I have my cocktail when the motorcycle is put away! This has caused some issue with some members and I was wondering, how do other clubs out ther handle this? Is alcohol consumption tolerated out there? Do you I force any kind of limits if you are not dry? I would be interested in your responses.

Thanks,

[Orange Spyder Man]

I most certainly would NOT ride in a group that some members has been consuming alcohol..

osm

[Don in E Texas]

Like you, have my beer at home. Only 'group' I ride with is Patriot Guard Riders -- no nonsense with these folks.

MAY have one with my brother when we get a chance to ride together.

Just me..

Don

[Bob Denman]

alcohol and motor vehicles of any type: do not mix well... nojoke
Once the ride is done... :cheers:

[OJ UK]

It's a sad state of affairs when otherwise responsible people cannot be relied upon
to sensibly limit their consumption of alcohol.
My friends and I almost always stop at a pub on a ride and have a pint and a sandwich or snack.
We then leave refreshed and ready for the trip home or whatever.
None of us are drunk and we're in full control of our faculties.
Having someone else's moral standards rammed down your throat during your leisure time is
a good reason to go and find something else to do with other company.
Demonising alcohol is not any sort of solution, it may in fact exacerbate the problem.
What happens if one of the 'drinkers' in your group decides to get around your regulation by
knocking back a fifth before he leaves his home....you would be none the wiser and he would
be a serious liability to all in the group. Just my tuppence worth...

[Pirate looks at --]

It's a sad state of affairs when otherwise responsible people cannot be relied upon
to sensibly limit their consumption of alcohol.
My friends and I almost always stop at a pub on a ride and have a pint and a sandwich or snack.
We then leave refreshed and ready for the trip home or whatever.
None of us are drunk and we're in full control of our faculties.
Having someone else's moral standards rammed down your throat during your leisure time is
a good reason to go and find something else to do with other company.
Demonising alcohol is not any sort of solution, it may in fact exacerbate the problem.
What happens if one of the 'drinkers' in your group decides to get around your regulation by
knocking back a fifth before he leaves his home....you would be none the wiser and he would
be a serious liability to all in the group. Just my tuppence worth...

Dont get me wrong, we are not demonizing alcohol, and I agree with you, as when I am out for a ride with my brother we will stop and have A beer, the. Back on the road. This is more from an "Official Club" ryde point of view. This has nothing to do with moral standards, it has to do with safety. I know that after my one beer with my brother, I am not as sharp as I was without it, but like you, I am capable of handling my bike, but I am still not 100%. As for nocking back a fifth (we only have liters now) we have enough law enforcement people in the group, that would not go unnoticed. And thanks for the tuppence, I really do appreciate it.

[grumpybob]

I don't drink alcohol at all. I don't like to ride with others that do. All drivers of any vehicle need to stay off the stuff when operating any vehicle - car, bike, atv, boat, snowmobile etc. I have left a few clubs due to excessive alcohol usage by its members.

[OJ UK]

Safety? Once again your group appears to be saying that everyone is a safe rider if they
have had no alcohol....and that as I'm sure you're well aware is tripe!
Most groups encompass folk who aren't as competent as others and the really poor riders
are more dangerous than your good riders who've enjoyed a beer.
Sorry but the generalization of riders and the wish to put all into the same pigeon-hole just doesn't work.
While drinking and driving is unwise, one beer is not going to affect your cognitive abilities.
Of course it also means that if anyone has a cold, hay-fever or similar then they'll have to stay at
home too as many of the remedies most certainly do affect your driving.

[jtpollock]

We have a chapter of SRA here in Sacramento and we have made the decision that we would be a "Dry Club", ie we don't allow the consumption of alcohol on any of our Club Sanctioned Rydes. I am totally in favor of this as I don't want anything clouding my mind while I am ryding, and I recall the scenery much better that way. I have my cocktail when the motorcycle is put away! This has caused some issue with some members and I was wondering, how do other clubs out ther handle this? Is alcohol consumption tolerated out there? Do you I force any kind of limits if you are not dry? I would be interested in your responses.

Thanks,

It's the law Don't Drink and Drive. jtpollock

[wyliec]

Anyone that thinks that with only one alcoholic drink that their reflex time doesn't decrease is only fooling themselves.

Pirate looks at--,

If your rules are going to state no alcohol, then those joining should abide, or don't ride. I think once you allow alcohol, and then try to limit the amount, you'll run into trouble.

I drink every now and then, but not while I'm riding the spyder. The only drink I like these days is hot sake, and my gf drives the car, if I partake.

[Bob Denman]

:agree:
It's not the alcohol; it's the mis-use of it...

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

Well i don't drink but i am a pervert so i guess it's a good thing there is no law 'no sex while riding'.

[jwulf74]

We do not drink and ride and don't like to be around those that do. The local Harley shop has free beer Saturdays, lots of drinking and I still can't believe that they feel it is ok to have everyone ride in, liquor them all up and then send them back out on the road. Bike nights there are basically the same except the beer isn't free.

[Shiznit98204]

If I do even stop at a pub and have a drink I choose to only have one and then won't even touch my keys for at least an hour afterwards. I do this whether I'm on 2, 3 or 4 wheels. The cost of a DUI and even worse, the thought of me hurting someone else due to not being 100% focused is enough to keep me from even thinking about driving with alcohol fresh in me. As former law enforcement I have seen too many people hurt by drinking and driving. Almost lost my father to a drunk driver when I was 3. So I'm very serious about it. Just my opinion though. And if someone does not like the rule of your riding group they can find others to join. You will never make everyone happy.

[Pirate looks at --]

Safety? Once again your group appears to be saying that everyone is a safe rider if they
have had no alcohol....and that as I'm sure you're well aware is tripe!
Most groups encompass folk who aren't as competent as others and the really poor riders
are more dangerous than your good riders who've enjoyed a beer.
Sorry but the generalization of riders and the wish to put all into the same pigeon-hole just doesn't work.
While drinking and driving is unwise, one beer is not going to affect your cognitive abilities.
Of course it also means that if anyone has a cold, hay-fever or similar then they'll have to stay at
home too as many of the remedies most certainly do affect your driving.

I think you are missing the point. I am not saying that all non drinkers are safe, I am saying that all Ryders no matter the skill level, are safer if they have not had anything at all to drink, than they would be if they did have a drink, and that my friend is just Science. The inexperienced ryder is still inexperienced, and potentially more dangerous, than the seasoned ryder. Now add alcohol to the equation and both the these ryders are impaired with regards to reaction time etc. These are two different pigeon holes if you will, the common factor is the impact of alcohol on these two groups. I know that this is true for me, and I am pretty sure that anyone on this board would agree, if you feel the relaxation effect of one beer, that same effect has impaired your ability to handle your machine at the same level you did before you had the beer. I am not saying that one beer makes you unsafe, I am only stating that the ryder is impaired once they have indulged. As for medication, 14 years in the pharmaceutical tells me that the warnings on labels are there for a good reason, and anyone using narcotic pain relievers, or antihistamines that cause drowsiness, should also not be operating vehicles either. In today's day ther is a plethora of non-drowsy medications out there that will not impair anyone, short of an allergic reaction.

I salute ute your enjoyment of a nice cold libation after a long ryde, and I would gladly join you one of these days. I am just not going to do on our officially sanctioned group rydes.

[Pirate looks at --]

Anyone that thinks that with only one alcoholic drink that their reflex time doesn't decrease is only fooling themselves.

Pirate looks at--,

If your rules are going to state no alcohol, then those joining should abide, or don't ride. I think once you allow alcohol, and then try to limit the amount, you'll run into trouble.

I drink every now and then, but not while I'm riding the spyder. The only drink I like these days is hot sake, and my gf drives the car, if I partake.

Man I love hot Sake, and Some really great Cold Sakes that I have had recently. Like you I jus don't drink and drive at all anymore, here in California the penalties are worse than for Man Slaughter!:roflblack:

[Gumbeau]

I think you are missing the point. I am not saying that all non drinkers are safe, I am saying that all Ryders no matter the skill level, are safer if they have not had anything at all to drink, than they would be if they did have a drink, and that my friend is just Science. The inexperienced ryder is still inexperienced, and potentially more dangerous, than the seasoned ryder. Now add alcohol to the equation and both the these ryders are impaired with regards to reaction time etc. These are two different pigeon holes if you will, the common factor is the impact of alcohol on these two groups. I know that this is true for me, and I am pretty sure that anyone on this board would agree, if you feel the relaxation effect of one beer, that same effect has impaired your ability to handle your machine at the same level you did before you had the beer. I am not saying that one beer makes you unsafe, I am only stating that the ryder is impaired once they have indulged. As for medication, 14 years in the pharmaceutical tells me that the warnings on labels are there for a good reason, and anyone using narcotic pain relievers, or antihistamines that cause drowsiness, should also not be operating vehicles either. In today's day ther is a plethora of non-drowsy medications out there that will not impair anyone, short of an allergic reaction.

I salute ute your enjoyment of a nice cold libation after a long ryde, and I would gladly join you one of these days. I am just not going to do on our officially sanctioned group rydes.

I do not drink alcohol when riding. I don't like to ride with those that do.

[WEB-WVR]

A couple things:
It is a Club, they can make their own rules and I would suggest NO alcohol or drug use period. It can decrease the safety level, potentially illegal and can cause liability to the Club.....LIABILITY ! One lawsuit even not warranted can destroy you because you need to defend it....$$$$.

Some dont no when to stop drinking, who is going to monitor that ?....most people wont stop another from drinking too much....so you cant monitor it other than to say NO. And if someone shows up intoxicated....they cant go on the ride and repeat offences, they need to be expelled from the Club.

On the commenter from England (remember we have people here from all over), attitudes about drinking differ from all over the world. As an example, in Germany you can actually drink a beer legally while driving....do that here in the USA and see what happens. Attitudes about alcohol differ around the globe.

I just dont get the drinking when on a motorcycle....you need to be alert and not impaired ! :lecturef_smilie: If I was in a Club that did not have strict policies on this....I would leave. Same goes for drug use including marijuana....which is becoming legal in some states. It impairs too ! We have had 4 deaths recently in my State where a "high" driver had hit and killed someone. :pray:

Enjoy the ride....for the ride ! :thumbup:

[OJ UK]

Sorry if I was sounding contentious.....I was a professional motorcycle instructor back in the 80s
and blaming alcohol for every known driving problem is a non-starter. There are some people who,
even given decades of riding experience, will always be a liability to those around them. I know two
who have been riding for over 20 years and have their full motorcycle licenses and are totally unfit
to ride. But as long as they haven't yet killed anyone it seems OK! Their car driving is no better.
By the way drinking a couple of large stiff Espressos is almost as risky, as the caffeine will ramp your
blood pressure right through the roof....also not great for the concentration. The same of course
goes for energy drinks such as Red Bull. Over loud music while driving should also be banned as
should be the wearing of ear-buds as they both isolate a rider/driver from their surroundings and
cause disorientation.
I'll stick with my single pint accompanied by a small meal. No caffeine o/d, no loud music!

[Pirate looks at --]

Sorry if I was sounding contentious.....I was a professional motorcycle instructor back in the 80s
and blaming alcohol for every known driving problem is a non-starter. There are some people who,
even given decades of riding experience, will always be a liability to those around them. I know two
who have been riding for over 20 years and have their full motorcycle licenses and are totally unfit
to ride. But as long as they haven't yet killed anyone it seems OK! Their car driving is no better.
By the way drinking a couple of large stiff Espressos is almost as risky, as the caffeine will ramp your
blood pressure right through the roof....also not great for the concentration. The same of course
goes for energy drinks such as Red Bull. Over loud music while driving should also be banned as
should be the wearing of ear-buds as they both isolate a rider/driver from their surroundings and
cause disorientation.
I'll stick with my single pint accompanied by a small meal. No caffeine o/d, no loud music!

Awesome! I agree with you 100%. There are some people that should only use public transportation no matter what their state of sobriety. And Cheers to ya!

[Magdave]

If you have a DUI you cannot enter Canada. They consider it an aggravated felony up there I just heard this when John Stamos (Full House) got picked up over the weekend. He is filming in Canada and if convicted he won't be anymore. :dontknow:

[MouthPiece]

It's all about choice.

Chris

[MEP]

We have a chapter of SRA here in Sacramento and we have made the decision that we would be a "Dry Club", ie we don't allow the consumption of alcohol on any of our Club Sanctioned Rydes. I am totally in favor of this as I don't want anything clouding my mind while I am ryding, and I recall the scenery much better that way. I have my cocktail when the motorcycle is put away! This has caused some issue with some members and I was wondering, how do other clubs out ther handle this? Is alcohol consumption tolerated out there? Do you I force any kind of limits if you are not dry? I would be interested in your responses.

Thanks,

Wise move on the part of your group to prohibit alcohol altogether while participating in a group sponsored or sanctioned ride. Trying to figure out and enforce some kind of a limit on alcohol consumption has its own set of problems, and leaving it up to individuals to monitor themselves would need to work consistently 100% of the time to be effective and reliable. There is no margin for error. In my opinion, your group's policy keeps it simple and safe for everyone.

[ARtraveler]

I have a feeling we are in for a lively discussion on this subject.

Way to go Pirate :bowdown:

Our club does not have a written policy on the use of alcohol. I have been in the club since 2001 and am now the "longest" member with the group.

We have never had an issue with drinkers, or had to drive someone home because they came to the meeting blitzed.

Peer pressure seems to be the rule. Most do not drink and ride. Our meal stop is at the end of each ride and there are a couple that will have a beer with their sandwitch or meal--myself included--sometimes. I have never seen anyone put down more than one beer--most of the time they drink about half. The meal lasts for an hour or more. The group breaks up at the restaurant and most do their own ride home.

DUI is a hefty fine now in Alaska and they are putting people in jail for many years if they are involved in an accident/death situation.

Ideally, the drinking of alcohol should not be mixed with motorcycling or any driving and should be done after the ride and at home. Realistic: Similar to the above is what is going to happen.

My two cents on the subject.

[cuznjohn]

i don't drink, i hate people that drink to the point of being stupid, but my 2 cents on this is that a person in the club should have a 1 to two beer limit. i ride with people that when they get off a bike after a ride, they like to sit down and eat and have a beer, so this my my thought because you might lose riding members who enjoy a beer or just walk off and sneak one

[Pirate looks at --]

I have a feeling we are in for a lively discussion on this subject.

Way to go Pirate :bowdown:

Our club does not have a written policy on the use of alcohol. I have been in the club since 2001 and am now the "eldest long standing" member.

We have never had an issue with drinkers, or had to drive someone home because they came to the meeting blitzed.

Peer pressure seems to be the rule. Most do not drink and ride. Our meal stop is at the end of each ride and there are a couple that will have a beer with their sandwitch or meal--myself included--sometimes. I have never seen anyone put down more than one beer--most of the time they drink about half. The meal lasts for an hour or more. The group breaks up at the restaurant and most do their own ride home.

DUI is a hefty fine now in Alaska and they are putting people in jail for many years if they are involved in an accident/death situation.

Ideally, the drinking of alcohol should not be mixed with motorcycling or any driving and should be done after the ride and at home. Realistic: Similar to the above is what is going to happen.

My two cents on the subject.

Thanks for the reply. I am sure the discussion will get deep. I personally have no issue with people that want to have a drink on a ryde, and in the correct situation (not a club ryde) I will have that beer too. I am just interested in the input from all angles. Thanks!

[robmorg]

We have a chapter of SRA here in Sacramento and we have made the decision that we would be a "Dry Club", ie we don't allow the consumption of alcohol on any of our Club Sanctioned Rydes. I am totally in favor of this as I don't want anything clouding my mind while I am ryding, and I recall the scenery much better that way. This has caused some issue with some members and I was wondering, how do other clubs out ther handle this? Is alcohol consumption tolerated out there? Do you I force any kind of limits if you are not dry? I would be interested in your responses.

Thanks,It has never come up at our club. I've seen one or two guys have one beer with lunch, but have never observed anyone drink any more than that while on a ride. Frankly it struck me as odd that this would even be an issue with an SRA club. What caused it to be a concern at your club? Were there members who were consuming too much alcohol on rides? Does SRA require that this issue be addressed in the club rules?

[pitzerwm]

Unlike a Harley club, the average age of a Spyder owner is probably 60. Most people 60 unless an alcoholic controls their drinking. Making rules probably wouldn't really fix anything and might turn off some. I'd think that if you had a member that was a problem you could deal with that one member. I'm personally not much of a joiner because that a lot of "clubs" make a bunch of unnecessary rules which are then unevenly enforced.

IMO I'd leave it alone. Deal with any problem on a needed basis.

Personally, I drink some and really DO NOT care for a person that can't handle their booze. They are excluded from my circle.

[viperryder]

We ryde with GWRRA members most of the time. We have drinkers, myself included, but when the bike is put up for the day or night we will at times have some alcohol, but not to extremes. This is sort of an unwritten rule, but everybody follows it. Good points.

[Ex Winger]

I belong to a CMC club where they have a no alcohol policy.It,s all across Canada and I think it,s a great idea out on club rides.If I,m with a buddy out for a Sunday ride we,llstop for lunch have a nice meal and a cold beer.Sit and talk probably an hour or so.Then finish our ride.
Bill

[Pirate looks at --]

Unlike a Harley club, the average age of a Spyder owner is probably 60. Most people 60 unless an alcoholic controls their drinking. Making rules probably wouldn't really fix anything and might turn off some. I'd think that if you had a member that was a problem you could deal with that one member. I'm personally not much of a joiner because that a lot of "clubs" make a bunch of unnecessary rules which are then unevenly enforced.

IMO I'd leave it alone. Deal with any problem on a needed basis.

Personally, I drink some and really DO NOT care for a person that can't handle their booze. They are excluded from my circle.
This was never a problem. Just a decision made when the club was formed.

[SpyderAnn01]

Pirate, I think that you guys have the most organized SRA club and I commend you for having this rule. Nevada just changed the classification of a Spyder from a motorcycle to a tri-mobile. Tri-mobiles in NV are not required to have a motorcycle endorsement or to wear a helmet. I am seriously considering changing our SRA bylaws to require all riders wear helmets and proper riding gear on club rides and that newcomers be required to pass some sort of skills test. The issue of drinking has never come up on any of our rides and I can honestly say that I have never seen one of our members order a drink when we have stopped. Sometimes we meet for dinner and I think some may have had drinks then but we are not riding to or from these dinners as a group.

I guess it boils down to do your members want to follow this rule or not, and if not, then they should be removed from the club.

[mxz600]

It's the law Don't Drink and Drive. jtpollock
Technically you are wrong.

You can't drink while driving and you can't drive if you are over the legal limit. But it is not illegal to drink a beer and then drive.

[flaggerphil]

Safety?
While drinking and driving is unwise, one beer is not going to affect your cognitive abilities.


You don't know that. It completely depends on the person drinking the beer. Safety? Yes, safety. The overall safety of the group...regardless of their ability...is going to be greater if there is no drinking.

"While drinking and driving is unwise..." is one of the most ridiculous understatements I've seen on here. Drinking and driving isn't "unwise", it's stupid.

[NorCalBud]

Lets put this into some further perspective... After all, this is California, where the possibility of litigation waits around each and every corner.
We as a club, don't have deep pockets. Heading something like a lawsuit off at the pass is, IMHO a prudent stand.
It only takes 1 "dumas" with a low alcohol threshold and the inability to take personal responsibility, to ruin the lives of every member of the club. I certainly don't believe its in any way based in a morality judgment or pushing a pro-temperance movement. It's a simple case of CYA/better safe than sorry. If that rule doesn't suit you...It's easy enough to find a club with rules that do.

[flaggerphil]

If you have a DUI you cannot enter Canada. They consider it an aggravated felony up there I just heard this when John Stamos (Full House) got picked up over the weekend. He is filming in Canada and if convicted he won't be anymore. :dontknow:

That's absolutely true. We race up in Canada and there are always people in the race series who can't go because Canada won't let them in because they've had a DUI.

[flaggerphil]

It's all about choice.

Chris

Not for drinking and driving. At least if I'm understanding you correctly.

[flaggerphil]

Technically you are wrong.

You can't drink while driving and you can't drive if you are over the legal limit. But it is not illegal to drink a beer and then drive.

Again, it depends on how the person's body reacts to the alcohol. If someone drinks one beer and is impaired...and there are people out there like that...it is illegal.

Do. Not. Drink. And. Drive.

[Pirate looks at --]

Pirate, I think that you guys have the most organized SRA club and I commend you for having this rule. Nevada just changed the classification of a Spyder from a motorcycle to a tri-mobile. Tri-mobiles in NV are not required to have a motorcycle endorsement or to wear a helmet. I am seriously considering changing our SRA bylaws to require all riders wear helmets and proper riding gear on club rides and that newcomers be required to pass some sort of skills test. The issue of drinking has never come up on any of our rides and I can honestly say that I have never seen one of our members order a drink when we have stopped. Sometimes we meet for dinner and I think some may have had drinks then but we are not riding to or from these dinners as a group.

I guess it boils down to do your members want to follow this rule or not, and if not, then they should be removed from the club.

Thanks Ann,

the he officers of our organization have done a great job of keeping us organized, and I am in total agreement that the no alcohol rule will serve us well.

[bruiser]

If the club is chartered or has written by-laws, the rules for consuming should be included there. If it's not in the by-laws or charter, it should be considered by the officers, then brought up to the general membership for a vote. If there is no charter or by-laws, I would think it would be up to the general membership to decide what they want to do. One thing to remember, if you wear the patch of your club, you directly represent that club whether you are riding in the group or solo. Your actions, good or bad, reflect on the club as a whole.

It doesn't matter whether you drink or not, we should all be responsible for each other when we ride in a group. Just my opinion.

[PaladinLV]

TOTALLY AGREE

As past Director of Southern Nevada HOG I can say that the vast majority of HOG Chapters (if not all) are DRY. Meaning during the ride no adult beverage. If an overnighter, once we stop . . . party time, but DURING the ride (including pit stops) NO! Additionally, anyone partaking an adult beverage during the ride is politely told they can not continue with us during THAT ride.

There will always be some that are offended by this policy, but for the good of the majority, it's not only wise, but the only choice.

AJ


We have a chapter of SRA here in Sacramento and we have made the decision that we would be a "Dry Club", ie we don't allow the consumption of alcohol on any of our Club Sanctioned Rydes. I am totally in favor of this as I don't want anything clouding my mind while I am ryding, and I recall the scenery much better that way. I have my cocktail when the motorcycle is put away! This has caused some issue with some members and I was wondering, how do other clubs out ther handle this? Is alcohol consumption tolerated out there? Do you I force any kind of limits if you are not dry? I would be interested in your responses.

Thanks,

[PaladinLV]

Ann,
Might I suggest the adjective DOT to the noun helmets! :D

AJ


Pirate, I think that you guys have the most organized SRA club and I commend you for having this rule. Nevada just changed the classification of a Spyder from a motorcycle to a tri-mobile. Tri-mobiles in NV are not required to have a motorcycle endorsement or to wear a helmet. I am seriously considering changing our SRA bylaws to require all riders wear helmets and proper riding gear on club rides and that newcomers be required to pass some sort of skills test. The issue of drinking has never come up on any of our rides and I can honestly say that I have never seen one of our members order a drink when we have stopped. Sometimes we meet for dinner and I think some may have had drinks then but we are not riding to or from these dinners as a group.

I guess it boils down to do your members want to follow this rule or not, and if not, then they should be removed from the club.

[Bob Denman]

This rider hasn't been invited to the ride; has he? :shocked:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=109769&stc=1


for the record; the image was staged... :D

[Pirate looks at --]

This rider hasn't been invited to the ride; has he? :shocked:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=109769&stc=1


for the record; the image was staged... :D
You found my old college pic!

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: You went there also?? :clap::bowdown:

[pegasus1300]

I belong to a dry club. It is stated right up front in our invitation to new members when they ask about joining and again if they actually do join.Our club has a religious affiliation (voluntary not official) that does not condone the use of alcohol and when anyone rides with us member or not we ask them to ride by our rules while they are with us.In 25 years we have not had a problem with that. There have been a few who do not subscribe to our beliefs but ride with us anyway because of the dry attitude. We try not to be dogmatic or mean or unfriendly and we aren't going to argue with you the finer points of temperance and abstinence. Our belief system is what it is and the club is organized along the lines of that system. Most people understand that and make decisions accordingly.

[Rockwall]

No alcohol on rides is in our Club's bylaws and that is just the way it is. Everyone accepts it and that's it.

[IGETAROUND]

We do not drink and ride and don't like to be around those that do. The local Harley shop has free beer Saturdays, lots of drinking and I still can't believe that they feel it is ok to have everyone ride in, liquor them all up and then send them back out on the road. Bike nights there are basically the same except the beer isn't free.

I knew there was some trick involved to get people to buy a Harley:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[Spyder Tony]

Pirate, I think that you guys have the most organized SRA club and I commend you for having this rule.

Ann...as President of the Sac Chapter, I want to thank you for the kind words. Yes, the rule rubs some the wrong way, but 95% comply with no issue whatsoever. I consume alcohol...but not on Chapter rides. I am fine not having a beer for a few hours, until I get home. The object is to ride and have fun...both of which I can do without alcohol. I have refunded dues paid to those who cannot abide by the rules...but it is a rarity.

[PistonBlown]

Firstly just to say that I hold a "Liquor Licence Controller Qualification", this means I can be the manager/owner of an on-licence or off-licences premise. So the points are based on NZ certification:


Any amount of alcohol will affect you.
The body can normally break down one unit* of alcohol per hour. However this can vary and depends on a lot of other factors (size, health, How much food you've eaten, medication, etc).
Eating before or during drinking will help this process a little - though this is partly because it tends to cuts down consumption.
Drinking coffee, cold showers, sleeping etc will not speed up this process. Only time lowers your level of intoxication.
Even if all alcohol has left your system your reactions are still adversely affected until you've also slept.
If you drink alcohol regularly then there may be less indication of intoxication (i.e. you may feel/appear sober). However your ability to react to unexpected events will still be affected.


* Unit in this case being roughly:


1 x 25mg (0.8 US oz) Spirit
1/2 to 1/3 a pint of beer or Cider
1 to 2/3 a stubbie (330ml bottle) of beer
1/2 to 1/3 of a glass of wine

Personally I will never ride a motorbike if I've had a drink, I just don't feel comfortable doing so even if I feel sober. I will have pint of beer and drive a car but only if it's:


At least 2 hours after drinking and I've consumed food
At least 3 hours after drinking


However I don't have a problem with others riding/driving if they feel comfortable doing so, are under the limit and are in lower part of category 1 (as part of my original training I learnt how to categorise 4 levels of intoxication)

With the groups I ride with the unwritten rule seems to be no drinking on the run, at the end of the run some people may have a drink - as everyone then heads home in different directions that has no impact on other riders.

[Bfromla]

:agree:
It's not the alcohol; it's the mis-use of it...:cheers::shemademe_smilie::barf:
Some people cant (just be happy)& can ruin it for the rest of us. Fyi not in AA but last taste was new years 2011 b4 I was injured by a DUI crook. Long story but they in jail & im enjoying all I can. :doorag::bbq:No alcohol needed just:spyder2:

[jwood4242]

What a great post! I love this discussion.

My 2 cents worth to all the impairment concerned people, read your prescription drug information before you get to harsh on someone for drinking 1 or 2 beers. There are so many prescription drug impaired people on the road that it's really scary:yikes::yikes: not to mention other commonly used drugs.

Don't get me wrong, when I ride I don't drink alcohol and I don't' like going with a group that rides from one bar to the next. I ride because I love to ride.

I get a little aggravated wen someone gets on the no alcohol kick after taking their valium, Prozac, or of course their lortab thinking it's okay because it's prescribed by a Dr. The day is rightfully coming when prescription drug impairment will be treated the same as alcohol impairment while operating a motor vehicle.

[PistonBlown]

What a great post! I love this discussion.

My 2 cents worth to all the impairment concerned people, read your prescription drug information before you get to harsh on someone for drinking 1 or 2 beers. There are so many prescription drug impaired people on the road that it's really scary:yikes::yikes: not to mention other commonly used drugs.

Don't get me wrong, when I ride I don't drink alcohol and I don't' like going with a group that rides from one bar to the next. I ride because I love to ride.

I get a little aggravated wen someone gets on the no alcohol kick after taking their valium, Prozac, or of course their lortab thinking it's okay because it's prescribed by a Dr. The day is rightfully coming when prescription drug impairment will be treated the same as alcohol impairment while operating a motor vehicle.

Funny enough I was going to mention that in my earlier post but decided not to. Since 2009 in NZ it's been illegal to drive impaired by drugs - even legally prescribed drugs.

[Centurion]

What a great post! I love this discussion.

My 2 cents worth to all the impairment concerned people, read your prescription drug information before you get to harsh on someone for drinking 1 or 2 beers. There are so many prescription drug impaired people on the road that it's really scary:yikes::yikes: not to mention other commonly used drugs.

Don't get me wrong, when I ride I don't drink alcohol and I don't' like going with a group that rides from one bar to the next. I ride because I love to ride.

I get a little aggravated wen someone gets on the no alcohol kick after taking their valium, Prozac, or of course their lortab thinking it's okay because it's prescribed by a Dr. The day is rightfully coming when prescription drug impairment will be treated the same as alcohol impairment while operating a motor vehicle.
:agree:. It is likely that many of these folk also ride wearing little to no protective gear but think that is a perfectly safe and OK personal decision that doesn't potentially impact other drivers. I have even seen posts recently about why t-shirts, Bermuda shorts and tennis shoes are perfectly fine for summer riding, lol?????...... I have been hit by flying road debris at speed and it hurts even while wearing protective gear but I maintained complete control. Seems like we have a lot of "holier than thoughs" when it comes to safety. No gear-fine, prescription drugs-sure, a glass of beer over lunch-you're a menace to society. :roflblack: Look we all make are own decisions and we must live with the consequences to include being held accountable in court in the afterlife. live and let live or as they say in NH, live free or die!

[arntufun]

I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

Well; you CAN carry a whole lot more beer in that Auto-Cycle... :roflblack:
The stolen money will no doubt, go to a "Hopsy" use! :D

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

alcohol - drugs- drugs - alcohol. i don't care why you are impaired i just would like not to be riding with or near you.

[Bob Denman]

Yup! :agree:

[Pirate looks at --]

I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

I am a bit confused, not too sure what you are referring to a Money grab. I pay less than $2.00 per month, and have access to a great group of people, safety tips, 40 to 50 free rydes a year and that's it! I know you must be thinking of the CAR club, or was it a DUNE BUGGY club that YOU belong too:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:. Anyway whatever you drive, not a good idea to be consuming alcohol while operating it.:yikes:

[Bob Denman]

Randy just stops in, to try and raise some blood pressures... :banghead:
Ignore him... he'll disappear for a while. :thumbup:

Randy,
We love ya; but c'mon... :D

[PrairieSpyder]

We do not drink and ride and don't like to be around those that do. The local Harley shop has free beer Saturdays, lots of drinking and I still can't believe that they feel it is ok to have everyone ride in, liquor them all up and then send them back out on the road. Bike nights there are basically the same except the beer isn't free.

I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.


Lets put this into some further perspective... After all, this is California, where the possibility of litigation waits around each and every corner.
We as a club, don't have deep pockets. Heading something like a lawsuit off at the pass is, IMHO a prudent stand.
It only takes 1 "dumas" with a low alcohol threshold and the inability to take personal responsibility, to ruin the lives of every member of the club. I certainly don't believe its in any way based in a morality judgment or pushing a pro-temperance movement. It's a simple case of CYA/better safe than sorry. If that rule doesn't suit you...It's easy enough to find a club with rules that do.


:agree: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit, but you never know where grief and a lawyer will take some people. It's in the bylaws and if someone violates them and comes to a bad outcome, you'll have some defense. It wouldn't hurt, though, to remind anyone who drinks in violation that they are taking a big risk.

I haven't drank in over 30 years, but I also think some of the anti-drinking laws have gone a bit far. I have a friend who got into a fight with her husband and went to the car (parked on their property) and drank a bottle of wine. She was awakened by a cop knocking on the window and was charged with DUI!

Don't mind me. I just dropped in to see what condition my condition is in.

[Bob Denman]

Good Morning!! :cheers: :roflblack:

How are the roads lookin' for today??

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Anyone that thinks that with only one alcoholic drink that their reflex time doesn't decrease is only fooling themselves.

Pirate looks at--,

If your rules are going to state no alcohol, then those joining should abide, or don't ride. I think once you allow alcohol, and then try to limit the amount, you'll run into trouble.

I drink every now and then, but not while I'm riding the spyder. The only drink I like these days is hot sake, and my gf drives the car, if I partake.

:agree:......But, I have some alcoholic drink/s every day. I just don't have any while I'm out riding either on my Spyder or in any of my other vehicles....Do I think a beer, glass of wine , one cocktail with lunch or dinner is OK for an adult, Yes.........But I also see there are Serious problems with people THAT CAN'T HAVE JUST ONE !!!!.............So a NO DRINKING Club Rule is also acceptable......A person can chose to join or not.......Mike :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I have more than enough trouble staying between the lines anyway! nojoke

[Pirate looks at --]

:agree:. It is likely that many of these folk also ride wearing little to no protective gear but think that is a perfectly safe and OK personal decision that doesn't potentially impact other drivers. I have even seen posts recently about why t-shirts, Bermuda shorts and tennis shoes are perfectly fine for summer riding, lol?????...... I have been hit by flying road debris at speed and it hurts even while wearing protective gear but I maintained complete control. Seems like we have a lot of "holier than thoughs" when it comes to safety. No gear-fine, prescription drugs-sure, a glass of beer over lunch-you're a menace to society. :roflblack: Look we all make are own decisions and we must live with the consequences to include being held accountable in court in the afterlife. live and let live or as they say in NH, live free or die!

All true, the difference here is we are talking about an Organization "Sanctioned Group Ryde." When YOU make YOUR decision it may effect the lives of a lot of others. Please remember the original topic raised was to discuss drinking alcohol in a group ryde, sanctioned by a Motorcycle Club. So I have no problem with anyone going out drinking ther brains out and getting on their Motorcycle, and then driving off a cliff! more power to you. My concern is in Club situation and you go out and get smashed and drive off that same cliff, and take two other bikes with you. Pleas drink and drive to your hearts desire, jus don't do it in Northern California!:roflblack:

[Dan McNally]

I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

You make a huge assumption that all groups charge dues . . . ours, the Maryland Spyder Web, doesn't. Membership is free.

We are one of the most active Spyder groups in the mid-Atlantic region, with ryders from Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, and DC. We have 199 members, as of today.

We do organized rydes almost every other weekend, and do multi-day trips four or five times each season. A typical day ryde can consist of 30 or more Spyders, along with an assortment of two-wheelers who are guests of members. Overnight trips vary in size . . . we had a dozen Spyders on our last three night, four day ryde . . . thirty-seven Spyders did our May "Spyder Clutter" and the Pennsylvania Spyder Ryders joined in, increasing the numbers to well over fifty.

Our rules prohibit alcohol consumption until we have parked for the day . . . not all our members drink, but many do, and on our multi-day rydes, it isn't unusual to find a crowd of us enjoying a few drinks together. When looking for lodging on our trips, motels with restaurants within walking distance are what is looked for, so those who wish to may have a couple at the end of the day . . .

The drinking prohibition is all about safety . . . we don't force anyone to join our group and we have plenty of fun . . . it is a family.

http://www.meetup.com/MarylandSpyderWeb/

[Spyder Tony]

I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

To play devil's advocate...our club fed 25 families last Christmas, raised over a thousand dollars for the Pediatric Brain Tumor Foundation's Ride for kids, and many other charitable projects each and every year. That is what our non-profit organization does. Oh, and for the $20 fee to join, you get a gremlin bell as our way of saying thank you (cost of bell $10 wholesale). Our Hospitality Coordinators will send you a hand written Birthday card as well as a condolence card should you unfortunately need one). The price of the camaraderie, family atmosphere and feeling of good will for belonging to such a charitable organization are all free... So to synopsize, for the price of lunch for the day, I can choose to be part of an active, family oriented Spyder organization that believes in giving back to their community in addition to leading great Spyder rydes each weekend. Doesn't sound too bad to me...

I think it is highly unfair of your characterization to:

1. lump all "clubs" into the same categorization
2. chastize anybody for their choice to belong to any club

These are just my thoughts and opinions to the comments you have voiced...

WWW.SRASacramento.com

[ARtraveler]

I'm think going to start a riding club and charge people to join and pocket the money from the dues. ....... Then, I'm going to make a laundry list of "LAWS" that you will have to abide by . .... :roflblack:

It amazes me that people are falling for this money grab by joining these clubs....................... Newsflash folks, getting together for a ride doesn't cost anything.

Lamont even gives you a free group section right here on Spyderlovers just for it !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

Not all clubs are money grabbers. Our club has been dues free since it started on 1999. I have been a member since 2001. Funds raised have been accomplished by having a yearly Poker Run, and weekly split the pot drawings. Buy 5 tickets for $5 or 10 tickets for $7. Club keeps half the money, winner gets other half. I won $100 bucks one night.

Money raised has been sufficient to have a yearly awards banquet, a summer BBQ, an annual Christmas party, a St. Patricks day event, and even to buy various awards.

[donkes]

Good Move!!!

[JerryB]

Hi Patti,

Re: I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.

I agree. He owns the place, he is providing the libations; can't really put up much of a defense.

Re: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit,

It has been a good many years since I have checked into this stuff. But, a 'membership club' has full exposure of every member for whatever any other member does at any type of 'sanctioned' event. You might want to talk to an attorney about the laws in Kansas.

Jerry Baumchen

[Retired 2012]

The clubs I currently ride with are alcohol free until the bikes are parked for the night and the club patches, vest, shirts etc... are put away.
I'm good with that. Rode with a club for a while that had a rule "only HD motorcycles allowed" then they road from bar to bar. I left the club,
just didn't make any sense to me. There are plenty of clubs with different rules, I just had to find the clubs that suited me and my beliefs.
Always smart to have common sense rules because some people don't have common sense and you have to protect the club from liability.
Just like having a safety inspection of the bikes and riding gear before the group rides, some people just need to be told the tires need replacing
and they need to wear over the ankle boots, Dot helmets, and gloves. Common sense just isn't that common anymore.
Don't like it :banghead:, find a new club like I did...my 2 cents

[Bfromla]

:cheers::shemademe_smilie::barf:
Some people cant (just be happy)& can ruin it for the rest of us. Fyi not in AA but last taste was new years 2011 b4 I was injured by a DUI crook. Long story but they in jail & im enjoying all I can. :doorag::bbq:No alcohol needed just:spyder2:

If the DUI & medicated people could only injure themselves World be a lot better off. But fact is they CAUSE accident & usually get minor injury if @ all, now so many are txting & driving as well, Driving is not suppose to be Russian roulette!


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[jaherbst]

Alright already this has gone too far: Never trust a man who doesn't drink.

How about those with sleep apnea?

How about diabetics who do not take there meds?

How about those on meds who are not suppose to drive?

How about those who ride to far and too long? (Total Fatigue)

How about cell phones?

How about women putting on makeup while driving?

How about women with a car full of ornery kids when she turns around to discipline?

This could go on and on and on.

Oh and I forgot about all you late 60 and 70's pot smokers and drugie's.

Have I left anyone out here who we are morally looking down our nose at?

My point is we have all driven when we should not have. The survivors will be those with good judgement which is of course learned by bad judgement. Before looking down our nose at others, look up your own nose to see if you yourself are perfect.

I started a perfect club once but it turned out I was the only member. Or so I thought!

Jack

No I will not run for President.:joke:

[jwood4242]

Funny enough I was going to mention that in my earlier post but decided not to. Since 2009 in NZ it's been illegal to drive impaired by drugs - even legally prescribed drugs.


Yes I believe it to be illegal in most if not all states. I also believe it to be considered much more accepted by society and much less often assessed for by police and more difficult to detect. I do feel that it is a real problem.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Funny enough I was going to mention that in my earlier post but decided not to. Since 2009 in NZ it's been illegal to drive impaired by drugs - even legally prescribed drugs.

:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:

[PistonBlown]

:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:

Nope I know this one as I had the sit an exam 3 years ago where this was one of the questions:-) Here's the relevant sections from my revision notes (references to prescription drugs in bold):

The Land Transport Amendment Act 2009 (LTAA) allows Police to better detect drug drivers and charge them with the offence of ‘driving while impaired and with blood that contains evidence of use of a controlled drug or prescription medicine’.

It is an offence to drive while impaired and with evidence in the bloodstream of a qualifying drug. The presence of a qualifying drug alone is not sufficient for an offence; there must first be impairment as demonstrated by unsatisfactory performance of the compulsory impairment test (CIT).
This law complements drivers' duty to be mentally and physically fit when they drive a motor vehicle on public roads - this includes not being impaired by alcohol or drugs.

There is also an offence of driving or attempting to drive while under the influence of drink or drugs to the extent of being incapable of proper control of a motor vehicle. Police have the option of charging the person with this offence, if there is sufficient supporting evidence. Police can test for the presence of qualifying drugs if a driver fails a compulsory impairment test.

Qualifying drugs include:


Controlled drugs that are set out in the specified schedules in the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975 - Schedule 1, Schedule 2, and Parts 1, 4, and 7 of Schedule 3 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975.
The family of drugs known as benzodiazepines (anti-anxiety, tranquilliser medication).
Any controlled drug analogue (within the meaning of controlled drug analogue in section 2(1) of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1975).
Any prescription medicine; but excluded is any substance, preparation, mixture, or article if it is excluded by regulations made under the Land Transport Act. A full list of prescription medicines that are included can be found in the Medicines Regulations 1984

Of course I'm assuming something like Aspirin would not be covered:-) But from memory it was actually surprising what was.

[jwood4242]

:yikes:...................You do realize, that if your Doctor prescribes an Aspirin for you to take Daily you can ....NEVER DRIVE AGAIN...in your Country !!!!!!!......I think you have mis-read the Law or are misquoting it......... (this also applies to jwood 4242 post )............Mike :thumbup:


Here is one example of what I am talking about and expect to receive more attention in the future. We all know that many prescribed drugs cause significant side affects such as impaired judgment and drowsiness just like alcohol does, even if they are taken as directed. I am not misquoting anything and with all respect not talking about aspirin or non prescription Tylenol or most drugs. Many medications for anxiety, depression, and pain along with others cause significant side affects and have warning labels on them.

How Legal Drug Use Can Lead to a DUI or DWI

Alcohol or illegal drugs aren't the only substances that impair judgment:










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Most DUIs (driving under the influence) and DWIs (driving while intoxicated) stem from the use of alcohol or illegal drugs. However the use of legal drugs -- prescriptions or over the counter medicine -- can can also lead to impaired driving and possibly arrest.
Consider this scenario: A professional mother of two is getting ready for work one morning. The night before, she took her usual antidepressant medication as well as a pill for hay fever allergies. Both pills cause drowsiness. That morning, she has a severe headache, so she pops a couple of prescription pills, which also cause drowsiness -- and contain a warning that one should not operate a vehicle or other machinery after taking them. She kisses her children goodbye, gets on the road, fails to notice another car at a four-way stop, and plows right into it.
A police officer arrives, and the woman apologizes profusely, saying, "I've never had any driving troubles -- it must be all this medication I'm on."
Unfortunately for her, the woman has essentially now admitted to a DUI or DWI, depending on her state.
The typical elements of a DUI or DWI offense are:


The person drove a vehicle -- that is, steered and controlled it while it was moving.
At the same time, the person was under the influence or intoxicated; that is, his or her ability to drive safely was affected to an appreciable degree by either an alcoholic beverage, a drug, or a combination of the two.

Although the language above represents a melding of the laws of the 50 U.S. states, no state punishes only those people whose driving impairment resulted specifically from alcohol or illegal drugs alone. Someone impaired by legal drugs can ordinarily be found guilty and punished for driving while under the influence in the same way as any drunk driver.
Massachusetts law, for example, actually spells out some of the possible impairment-causing drugs, mentioning "narcotic drugs, depressants or stimulant substances." (M.G.L.A. 90 § 24.) And California law specifically notes that "The fact that any person charged with [a DUI] . . . is, or has been entitled to use, the drug under the laws of this state shall not constitute a defense . . . ." (VC 23630.) California further singles out drug use by making it a crime for anyone addicted to a drug -- other than methadone for treating heroin addiction -- to drive a vehicle. (VC 23152(c).) And as we all know, both legal and illegal drugs can lead to addiction and impairment.
Unfortunately, the standards for how much of a drug can be in someones system without causing impairment are not yet set. In other words, theres no comparable standard to the 0.08% maximum set for blood alcohol (BAC) levels.
This issue will probably receive increased attention in coming years, however, because the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has become concerned about the impacts of drug use on driving. In a July 2009 report, the NHTSA found that while drunk driving has decreased markedly in recent years, approximately 16% of nighttime drivers have some sort of potentially impairing drug in their system. The NHTSAs list of potentially impairing drugs tracked in this study included not only illegal drugs, but prescription and over-the-counter products such as stimulants, sedatives, antidepressants, and narcotic analgesics.
The NHTSA report says, "Determining which drugs and dosage levels impair driving related skills is a large undertaking given the number of potentially impairing drugs. NHTSA has convened an expert panel to begin identifying methods for assessing impairment . . . ."
In the meantime, you can expect a combination of the facts concerning the driver's behavior -- such as weaving, performing reckless maneuvers, failing to observe street signs, or exhibiting slow reactions to road hazards or events -- combined with evidence that the person had a legal drug in their system that has known, potentially impairing side effects will continue to lead to DUI or DWI convictions.

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: I'm with Jack... :shocked:

If we're already so perfect, that we feel good about looking down our noses at the rabble in front of us; what happens when somebody even MORE perfect shows up? :dontknow:

And Mike...
If your Doctor prescribes Aspirin for you; can you explain how the Police Officers can explain that it has "Impaired your ability" to drive (ride)? :dontknow:

[PrairieSpyder]

Hi Patti,

Re: I think that Harley dealer is a law suit waiting to happen.

I agree. He owns the place, he is providing the libations; can't really put up much of a defense.

Re: I think a membership club would have less exposure to a suit,

It has been a good many years since I have checked into this stuff. But, a 'membership club' has full exposure of every member for whatever any other member does at any type of 'sanctioned' event. You might want to talk to an attorney about the laws in Kansas.

Jerry Baumchen

Thanks for your expertise, Jerry. It confirms that a club should try not to assume any risk from a member's behavior.

[BikerDoc]

It's the law Don't Drink and Drive. jtpollock drinking one beer, then waiting an hour before riding, is well within the law in every state in US

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: But that's like waiting for a full hour after eating, before hitting the swimming pool... :D
It's tougher to do than it sounds!

[bcoulter19]

Thanks for your expertise, Jerry. It confirms that a club should try not to assume any risk from a member's behavior.


I use to work for a company on friday afternoon had beer time. They purchased beer and had it in the break room for anyone that wanted it on the clock. That all ended one day when a company employee left one friday after work ina company van and rear ended someone about 2 blocks from the office. So I agree wtih whoever says that the dealer supplying the beer for free is just a lawsuit waiting to happen.

[JerryB]

Hi bcoulter,

Re: I use to work for a company on friday afternoon had beer time.

My brother spent 30 yrs working for the largest brewery in Oregon. He worked in packaging and anytime anyone wanted one, they just reached and had one. They would also drink in the lunchroom during their breaks. Then a few yrs went by and an employee was crossing the street ( jay-walking ) from one brewery building to another and was killed by a passing car. The employee was found to be 'dead drunk' ( no pun intended ). The company then put a policy into place that there would be no drinking on company time or company property.

It usually takes an incident for people to come to their senses.

Jerry Baumchen

[Cruzr Joe]

I think that all you beer drinkers are loud and rude :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

Now us Whiskey Drinkers are Prudent, Intelligent, Smart, Good Looking and can hold our booze with either hand. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:


Said with a smile so don't get your panties wadded up.

Drunk (or Buzzed) Driving is never a good decision.


Cruzr Joe

[Bob Denman]

:D I'll drink to that! :cheers:
:shocked: Uh-oh...

[ARtraveler]

:D I'll drink to that! :cheers:
:shocked: Uh-oh...


I confess...I had a beer last night with my burger and fries after our weekly ride. Out of 20 participants, I also confess that I was the only one that did so. We were at the restaurant for almost two hours.

Akspyderlady won the ticket jackpot (a reference made many posts above). She took home $72 bucks. Her first win with the club.

[Bob Denman]

We're having wine tonight, with our Philly Cheesesteaks... :shocked:
I wonder how much damage that'll do to my ego? :D

[Cruzr Joe]

We're having wine tonight, with our Philly Cheesesteaks... :shocked:
I wonder how much damage that'll do to my ego? :D



Wino's ................. Worst of the lot. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[ARtraveler]

We're having wine tonight, with our Philly Cheesesteaks... :shocked:
I wonder how much damage that'll do to my ego? :D

Just make sure its a good red. Cabernet?

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: She likes Sutter Homes White Zinfandel...
I've learned to appreciate peace and quiet... I go with the flow! :thumbup:

[ARtraveler]

:shocked: She likes Sutter Homes White Zinfandel...
I've learned to appreciate peace and quiet... I go with the flow! :thumbup:

Pink is good if you are not going with red. After a couple gallons--who cares. :roflblack::roflblack:

[arntufun]

Some here are saying, alcohol is your enemy...........
Jesus says................. Love your enemy so he turn water into wine.....


Who do you think I should listen to ?????????? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=109886&stc=1

[Bob Denman]

Why stop there??? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflb lack::roflblack: :joke:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=e-P6SQbhgg0

[Pirate looks at --]

Some here are saying, alcohol is your enemy...........
Jesus says................. Love your enemy so he turn water into wine.....


Who do you think I should listen to ?????????? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=109886&stc=1













Yourself!

[Pirate looks at --]

Thanks to most of you for your well thought out replies. To many of you for your witty repartee. And to some of you that missed the point. I have no problem with someone having a beer when they are out on the road. I myself, when not ryding with our club, will stop for a cold beer and conversation. Limit is one and then Back on the road. I just won't do it with my club, out of respect for the rules. As has been mentioned earlier our club does a lot of good for the community and it is an honor to be a part of it. In the end it would appear that the vast majority of you would prefer to be a part of a dry club, and so do I. So to all I wish you safe ryding, and to Randy, be safe driving your car:roflblack:.