Advice on purchase of 2013 RT LTD

[Upstater]

Hi All,

Please give a brother (1st time owner) some advice on the purchase of a 2013 RT LTD (1,600 miles). I have read many of the recall discussions. It seems the heat/fire issue is very real, but I'm not sure how statistically significant it really is. I know... it's significant if it happens to you/me.

This particular bike was meticulously maintained and has had no issues (confirmed). The previous owner traded for a new F3.

Like many, I don't know what the "fix" will be or if it will completely cure the problem(s). We have a deposit and are waiting to take delivery later this week. Should I cancel and hold out for a 2014? Or should I cautiously jump on?

Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice.

[bmccaffrey]

Where in upstate are you located????

[JayBros]

IMO, if you have not test ridden a '14 do so before you make a final commitment. You will love the 1330 triple engine and 6-speed transmission.

[Upstater]

IMO, if you have not test ridden a '14 do so before you make a final commitment. You will love the 1330 triple engine and 6-speed transmission.

Thanks. I was hoping to save some cash with a slightly used model, but in the end it may be worth the extra for peace of mind and comfort.

[ARtraveler]

Thanks. I was hoping to save some cash with a slightly used model, but in the end it may be worth the extra for peace of mind and comfort.

The choice to go for a 2014 (if you are looking for used and less cash than new) is a wise one IMO.

[Upstater]

Where in upstate are you located????

Rochester area...

[MikeT]

It's not only the difference in the motor and transmission between the two, it's the maintenance cost between the 2 powerplants.

[Upstater]

It's not only the difference in the motor and transmission between the two, it's the maintenance cost between the 2 powerplants.

Better/worse for the 2013 vs 2014?

[Dan McNally]

To me, the biggest advantage of a 2014 is the extra 10 MPG . . . that said, I love my 2013 RT LTD and will ryde it until one of us wears out. It all depends on how much you will save in the deal. Hopefully, the heat issue is about to be resolved . . .

[bmccaffrey]

Rochester area...

Not far apart.:doorag:

Depends on the price of the 13 and your budget.Some people have had big heat issues others not so much.
For 2 -3 thousand I would go 14.

Again u know what u can afford. Don't let other people set your budget .

[Chupaca]

If your having doubts I'm of the opinion you test the 14 and then make the final decision. If the price difference is really big go with the 13. Most of the problems were dealt with and not all of them had this problem. Did you test the 13...?? :dontknow:

[Upstater]

If your having doubts I'm of the opinion you test the 14 and then make the final decision. If the price difference is really big go with the 13. Most of the problems were dealt with and not all of them had this problem. Did you test the 13...?? :dontknow:

Just a short ride with nothing remarkable (except for the fun). Happened upon a thread about the recall and heat issue for the 2013, while looking for something unrelated. Somehow I missed the issue with the research I did. Very disappointed now. :banghead: :gaah:

[Cruzr Joe]

Better/worse for the 2013 vs 2014?



Maintenance on a 14 or newer RT is much cheaper than a 13 or older RT


Cruzr Joe

[lyonsden]

If it were me, knowing what I know, and having test drove the 14 model I would cancel and go with the 14. A used 14 if need be to save some dough. JMO

[wyliec]

Are you dealing with Filer's Power Sports?

[DJFaninTN]

get the one you are happy with and the one that fits your budget. :thumbup:

[Pirate looks at --]

We have almost 22000 miles on our RTL (2013) and no problems. I will say that I like the 1330 engine and the improved gas mileage.........BUT the 2013 sounds better!:yes::yes::yes:

[SpyderAnn01]

Don't buy it and if you read my signature you will know why.

[jaherbst]

I have had both the 13 and 14. Not only the engine and transmission but the entire front suspension was changed on the 14.

I had heat and gas fume problems with the 13 that were never and maybe will never be resolved.

Cancel and look for a used or new 14. Totally new and improved machine.

Jack

[Bob Denman]

:welcome:
It's your money, and it's your call... :thumbup:
That having been said...
The 2014 model year bike was such an improvement over the previous versions, that it changed the game.
BRP gave us a new engine, transmission, clutch lock-up system, charging system, and cooling system.
The new bikes require a whole lot fewer trips to the dealers for servicing, and the much better fuel economy now makes 200 miles between fuel stops possible.
I loved my 2010...
But the things that needed improvement on it: BRP nailed... :clap:
And the things that were already perfect; they managed to improve also! nojoke

[jcthorne]

I have had both the 13 and 14. Not only the engine and transmission but the entire front suspension was changed on the 14.

I had heat and gas fume problems with the 13 that were never and maybe will never be resolved.

Cancel and look for a used or new 14. Totally new and improved machine.

Jack


Sorry but this is not true. The new front suspension, brakes and frame came in 2013 to the RT. 13 and 14 are the same except for slightly different valve settings on the stock shocks for the heavier engine.

The 2014 engine and drive line is much improved however.

[Bob Denman]

:agree: 2013 had the new front suspension setup, and better braking system. :thumbup:

[Upstater]

Are you dealing with Filer's Power Sports?
Please see my PM to you...

[napper39]

i have a 2013 and not too many things wrong but i spent a lot of money on things to make it ok,so id say go for a 2014 or 2015 there so much better,i would trade for a 2014 but they wont give me enough money on my 2013 ,and rember they were selling the 2013 rts with a 5000 dollar off on all there 2013s so for a used you should get about 9000 dollars of the price ,they wont give me any money for my 2013 on trade i think they offered me 12ooo thousand trade for a 2015,and i only got 3000 miles on mine.so if you get the 2013 you will be stuck with it.dont pay any moore than 1200 thousand for it.get a 2014 or5.:chat:

[wyliec]

Please see my PM to you...

I responded.

[Upstater]

Thanks everyone for the great advice. I will be cancelling my order and begin looking for a 2014. Hope to be reporting back soon with an update on the purchase.

Ride on!

[Bob Denman]

Happy Shopping, and Good Luck! :thumbup:

[bscrive]

I think you made a wise choice. It will be hit or miss with the 13 but a home run with the 14. :2thumbs:

Maybe we will see you at Spyderquest in September?

[ARtraveler]

Thanks everyone for the great advice. I will be cancelling my order and begin looking for a 2014. Hope to be reporting back soon with an update on the purchase.

Ride on!

You have made a good decision. The damage has been done on the 13's reputation and makes it a poor investment unless you get it for a real good price.

When the "fix" gets applied soon, it remains to be seen if the value will come back.

[Bob Denman]

Personally speaking; I HOPE that it does. It would (or could..) make them the best of the 998-equipped bikes.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

What kind of riding do you expect to do? If you're going to be doing 70+ on Interstates with headwinds hitting you, and/or a lot of uphill riding, go for the '14. The 998 just doesn't have the power and torque at the top end that you need for demanding conditions. On my recent trip to Spyderfest and back I encountered very strong winds in Idaho the last day. 4th gear, full throttle, pulling my trailer, there were times I could not get above 72 mph! Gas mileage dropped to about 15 mpg. I got ~24 mpg going over the Rockies 3 weeks earlier. :banghead: The lack of power and torque at the top end makes it challenging to pass semis on the Interstate at 70 to 80 mph, especially in a headwind or going uphill.

I test drove a '15 RT at Spyderfest. In my assessment in most ordinary riding conditions the 1330 engine performs on par with the 1800 Goldwing. The 998 does not.

Now if most of your riding is going to be 65 and below on 2 lane highways and you aren't going to be going up and down hills and battling headwinds, the 2013 will serve you just fine.

[Marker]

Spend the extra cash and get a 2014 Rt you will be happy you did.
The new motor and six speed transmission are awesome.

[furface90]

Hi All,

Please give a brother (1st time owner) some advice on the purchase of a 2013 RT LTD (1,600 miles). I have read many of the recall discussions. It seems the heat/fire issue is very real, but I'm not sure how statistically significant it really is. I know... it's significant if it happens to you/me.

This particular bike was meticulously maintained and has had no issues (confirmed). The previous owner traded for a new F3.

Like many, I don't know what the "fix" will be or if it will completely cure the problem(s). We have a deposit and are waiting to take delivery later this week. Should I cancel and hold out for a 2014? Or should I cautiously jump on?

Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice.

I have a 2013 RT S with over 16,000 miles on it and have had almost no problems, heat or otherwise. I also will keep it till one of us quits working. The only problem I have had was with the trailer light module, relocated it and it works fine now, just finished 3,000 miles with the trailer and no problems.
Yes I would like to have a 2014 for the better gas milage, but right now not enough to spend the extra money to upgrade.
Hope you join the us, my Spyder has been lots of fun.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

i love my 2013

[condorflysu]

I own a RT-s 2013...do not buy 2013....buy newer or older.

Don't 2nd guess getting a Spyder.
I love mine so much I'm willing to drive it to the other side of life. :)

[Upstater]

Update... Wow, you all have been incredibly inviting. Thanks so much for all the great advice and well wishes.

On a whim, I stopped at Bibbens in Weedsport NY today. Almost an hour away from home but it was on my way to one of my accounts. Long story short, Jay took me out for a test drive (30 minutes) on a 2012 RT Ltd through what seemed like every possible road encounter (hills, intersections, RR tracks, metal bridges, fast, slow, curvy, etc....). I had a blast. When we returned the deal was made and I am a proud owner now!

It made sense for me to consider a used '12 to avoid the issues with the '13 and get experience with riding (I'm a brand new rider, just got my M license at age 50+). While keeping the budget low. The plan is to ride the heck out of this machine and trade up in a few years.

We are making plans tonight for Spiderquest 2015! Always wanted to hang out in Lake George and this will be a great combination. So, we will see you there and look forward to meeting up along the way this summer. If you are coming through the Finger Lakes drop me a line. We would love to hook up with other Spyder folk.
:yes:

[Bob Denman]

:congrats::nopic::2thumbs:

[bscrive]

Good call. The 2012s are good bikes. See you at Spyderquest. :clap:

[Upstater]

:congrats::nopic::2thumbs:

Here we come...

[Ronbo]

Hi All,

Please give a brother (1st time owner) some advice on the purchase of a 2013 RT LTD (1,600 miles). I have read many of the recall discussions. It seems the heat/fire issue is very real, but I'm not sure how statistically significant it really is. I know... it's significant if it happens to you/me.

This particular bike was meticulously maintained and has had no issues (confirmed). The previous owner traded for a new F3.

Like many, I don't know what the "fix" will be or if it will completely cure the problem(s). We have a deposit and are waiting to take delivery later this week. Should I cancel and hold out for a 2014? Or should I cautiously jump on?

Thanks in advance for your opinions and advice.

I had a 2013 RT AND 2014 RT. I really liked the 2013, but the 2014 was a tremendous amount better. I'd go for the 2014 without question! ABSOLUTELY ? I traded the 2014 RT for an F3. You will have no doubts if you test ride the 2013 and 2014. Good luck be safe and have fun.

Ron

[jcthorne]

What kind of riding do you expect to do? If you're going to be doing 70+ on Interstates with headwinds hitting you, and/or a lot of uphill riding, go for the '14. The 998 just doesn't have the power and torque at the top end that you need for demanding conditions. On my recent trip to Spyderfest and back I encountered very strong winds in Idaho the last day. 4th gear, full throttle, pulling my trailer, there were times I could not get above 72 mph! Gas mileage dropped to about 15 mpg. I got ~24 mpg going over the Rockies 3 weeks earlier. :banghead: The lack of power and torque at the top end makes it challenging to pass semis on the Interstate at 70 to 80 mph, especially in a headwind or going uphill.

I test drove a '15 RT at Spyderfest. In my assessment in most ordinary riding conditions the 1330 engine performs on par with the 1800 Goldwing. The 998 does not.

Now if most of your riding is going to be 65 and below on 2 lane highways and you aren't going to be going up and down hills and battling headwinds, the 2013 will serve you just fine.

Sorry, you were just in the wrong gear. The 998 does need to be up in its power band above 5000 but lack of power is not one of its problems. My 2013 had no problem running away from a stock 2014 RT, not by much but it was faster. Point is, the power between the two is very close, just different RPM ranges. The low end torque of the 1330 does FEEL faster during normal driving. I love my new F3 but lets not destroy the market for the 2013s any worse than BRP already has.

[Bob Denman]

Here we come...

:clap: VERY, very nice!! :thumbup:

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Sorry, you were just in the wrong gear. The 998 does need to be up in its power band above 5000 but lack of power is not one of its problems. My 2013 had no problem running away from a stock 2014 RT, not by much but it was faster. Point is, the power between the two is very close, just different RPM ranges. The low end torque of the 1330 does FEEL faster during normal driving. I love my new F3 but lets not destroy the market for the 2013s any worse than BRP already has.
I'm not trying to destroy the market for the 2013s, just pointing out that in my experience the 998 is limited in performance at the top end, especially when I really needed it. I do most of my passing of semis in 4th gear up to 80+ mph, and have occasionally dropped into 3rd. 3rd tops out at about 75 mph and 4th at about 90, with the engine up around 8000 rpm. I am operating in the power band! On the level, or slight uphill, in calm weather, the 998 will move you around the semi, but it is not as quick at it as the Goldwing is. But if you're against a headwind, or going up a 6% grade, the 998 is lacking. I passed a lot of semis with my GW, and I've passed a lot of them with the RT. When it comes to power reserve at 75 mph and up the 998 does not have what the 'wing does. That is stating fact, not making a bashing comment.

Oh, and a headwind never kept me from reaching 80+ with the GW like happened the last Saturday with the RT, and I was in 4th gear most of the day, on the Interstate!

Are you suggesting that when it comes to power for passing, climbing uphill, and fighting headwind, that at 70 mph and above the 1330 performance is no better than the 998? It kind of sounds like it but I sure can't believe that is what you are doing.

[Ex Winger]

Congrats on the new ride.I,m sure you,ll enjoy it.I,m going to Carlisle PA in Aug down through the finger lakes.Very nice country.
Bill