Texas shootout

[joebryanjr]

Proud to say not one of those fools in Texas was ryding a Spyder.

[Mexican]

Nope, they were riding Hardly Ablesons:p

[bmccaffrey]

We are lovers not fighters :yes:

[Chupaca]

Though I had no doubt..;) were there any HD trikes..?? :dontknow:

[ARtraveler]

Only one good thing about the whole situation. No customers or non-gang members were injured or shot in the carnage.

[Bob Denman]

:agree: If they want to cull their own herds: :2thumbs:

[Omcge]

Proud to say some places know how to control there riots or fights.

[Tango]

Thinning the gene pool. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[revjvegas]

It really doesn't matter what they were riding.

They are all f'n idiots.

I so don't get the whole gang thing. Bunch of sheep.

[PvtEyeRetired]

personally I think the Waco PD should rent a large football/soccer stadium, invite gangs from all over the country, provide them with free ammunition, let them have all the confiscated weapons in the evidence locker and let them go at each other, last man standing gets a pardon...problem solved....

[Bob Denman]

:welcome:
I like the way that you think! :D
Can we lock them in, and then just wait until they run out of ammo and/or targets?

[Orange Spyder Man]

I wonder how many bikers were shot by police.. not other bikers ?

osm

[WEB-WVR]

If we got into a fight at a Spyder Rally we would be smackin each other with our bag of depends ! :bdh:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: That might be meaner than a knife fight... :yikes:
Fill one of them babies up, and they don't smell like daises!! :barf:

[jaherbst]

It really doesn't matter what they were riding.

They are all f'n idiots.

I so don't get the whole gang thing. Bunch of sheep.

Why don' t you tell them that! Show us you have "cohones.

Jack

[jaherbst]

​I wonder how many were actually shot by the police?

[AY4B]

I wonder how many bikers were shot by police.. not other bikers ?

osm

All of the bikers that were killed were shot by police

[Cruzr Joe]

All of the bikers that were killed were shot by police



Good

[Tango]

All of the bikers that were killed were shot by police

Ok. Thinned out the gene pool. AND they re-qualified at the same time. Very efficient use of time. :thumbup: Tom :spyder:

[AY4B]

So what did they do to deserve being slaughtered because they were having a knife fight?

[AY4B]

Before this thread gets axed, ill post links to support what I said. These were Human beings for whom Christ died. What are we becoming when we look down on someone because they ride a different motorcycle? Some of the clubs there were vets and christian ministries.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/19/biker-truthers-emerge-calling-waco-shootout-a-police-massacre/
http://www.agingrebel.com/12873

[Gray Ghost]

All of the bikers that were killed were shot by police

The media in this area are reporting that who shot who is not determined yet. Takes time to run the autopsies and link back to weapons.
"How many bikers may have died from police gunfire is not yet known. Citing a law enforcement source, CNN reported that four of the dead bikers were shot by police.

But at a news briefing Monday evening, Swanton said that information "has not been verified by us, it has not been verified by autopsies or medical results as well."
"The autopsies have not been completed and that information may very likely be incorrect," Swanton said. "It is not coming from me or the Waco Police Department."
Investigators plan to finish collecting evidence at the crime scene Tuesday morning, he added."

[AY4B]

The media in this area are reporting that who shot who is not determined yet. Takes time to run the autopsies and link back to weapons.
"How many bikers may have died from police gunfire is not yet known. Citing a law enforcement source, CNN reported that four of the dead bikers were shot by police.

But at a news briefing Monday evening, Swanton said that information "has not been verified by us, it has not been verified by autopsies or medical results as well."
"The autopsies have not been completed and that information may very likely be incorrect," Swanton said. "It is not coming from me or the Waco Police Department."
Investigators plan to finish collecting evidence at the crime scene Tuesday morning, he added."

Sorry but I do not always believe everything that is said in the media. Where are the videos of the incident? You will never see one.

[Gray Ghost]

Sorry but I do not always believe everything that is said in the media. Where are the videos of the incident? You will never see one.

You haven't seen video of the incident and don't believe the media. So what is the source of your information that the police shot all the dead?

[Bob Denman]

:agree:...And what is the source of this information? :dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

So what did they do to deserve being slaughtered because they were having a knife fight?

:shocked::hun:
Wow...

[Dan McNally]

Unverified photo from right before the fight started . . .

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107831&stc=1

[Bob Denman]

:yikes: :roflblack: :clap:

[Orange Spyder Man]

All of the bikers that were killed were shot by police

I'll bet no group will demonstrate or burn in Waco because of these cop shootings... heck .. after all .. they are just bikers..

osm

[wyliec]

This from 3 minutes ago, as of 9:09 A.M.:
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2015/05/waco_shooting_bikers_flee_gun.html

I don't think anyone, who wasn't there, knows what actually happened. I find it a little strange when someone is judge, jury, and executioner, and accuses another of profiling (like I was).

[AY4B]

You haven't seen video of the incident and don't believe the media. So what is the source of your information that the police shot all the dead?

I already gave the source in an earlier post with 2 links. They give the names and ages of the dead, the names of all the MC 's and what actually happened.

[AY4B]

Before this thread gets axed, ill post links to support what I said. These were Human beings for whom Christ died. What are we becoming when we look down on someone because they ride a different motorcycle? Some of the clubs there were vets and christian ministries.
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/05/19/biker-truthers-emerge-calling-waco-shootout-a-police-massacre/
http://www.agingrebel.com/12873

The shove in the bathroom became a scuffle in the restaurant. When about 30 Bandidos, Cossacks, Scimitars and other bikers spilled into the parking between the Twin peaks and the Don Carlos Mexican restaurant next door, the police were waiting for them. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons. Multiple sources have told The Aging Rebel that all of the dead were killed by police.

[AY4B]

This video explains the history of the feud between the Bandidos and the Cossacks, and explains also that the Cossacks are not an outlaw club but have actually people in all walks of life as members including law enforcement. My guess is that the fight started in the bathroom between an embeded LEO and a Banndido.
https://youtu.be/hXx3tjJ7dMg

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: There is an awful lot of "supposition", in your guesses...
Why not let the forensic experts take a run at; rather than quote folks who may either:
1. not know what they saw...
or
2. have their own agenda in mind...

[mowin]

. The scuffle became a knife fight and several men were stabbed. When one of the combatants produced a gun the Swat team opened fire with automatic weapons..

So, some scum bags pulled a gun and the cops defused the situation. I'd say they did a good job....

[Cruzr Joe]

If the cops stood by and did nothing everyone would be on their case for not doing their job. I think the cops probably saved more lives than they took, even if all 9 were shot by the police, in the initial reports it was mentioned that the police returned fire after being shot at as they encountered the M/G gangs. I was not there and don't even pretend to know what happened but until it is verified, i will take the stand that the police were at least there for a good reason.


Cruzr Joe

[Bob Denman]

As I said: let the experts look over the evidence...

Look what happened the last time folks starting "jumping the gun"... :banghead:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107835&stc=1

[ARtraveler]

I am also of the opinion that the "who shot John" discussions should wait until forensic evidence is brought forth.

The upside, is that no innocent bystanders were involved in the frackus.

Other information (sadly-from the internet) states that over 320 weapons were confiscated. This included guns, knives, chains with attached padlocks, and brass knuckles. People came to the meeting prepared to defend themselves or to start something. An incident just waiting to happen. Gang culture dictates that you will defend your gang and your members to the death. It appears they were ready and willing to do just that.

Not as bad, but similar to the gang fight that happened in Las Vegas a few years back. I believe there were also some deaths in that one.

[Orange Spyder Man]

let me say this... coming back from the Biloxi Blow Out about 8 years ago.. one of the bikers in our group had a flat on his bike.. 3 Banditos were the only people that stopped to help... they knew a small shop owner than came out (late sunday evening) we took off the rear rim/tire ... and went to the small shop and replaced the tire with a serviceable tire... they charged $75.00 for the tire .. NO LABOR..
so all Banditos are not all criminals.. so the folks that stand on their soap boxes and judge... don't judge a book by its cover !!!

osm

[scottnkansas]

If the cops stood by and did nothing everyone would be on their case for not doing their job. I think the cops probably saved more lives than they took, even if all 9 were shot by the police, in the initial reports it was mentioned that the police returned fire after being shot at as they encountered the M/G gangs. I was not there and don't even pretend to know what happened but until it is verified, i will take the stand that the police were at least there for a good reason.


Cruzr Joe

I'm with Joe on this one. It seems as if the police are damned if the do something and damned if they don't. I don't think wearing that badge is an easy job.


Scott

[Bob Denman]

:agree: :shocked:
It often appears to be a thankless job... and that's a :cus: shame! :banghead:

[mowin]

X2.... Just heard on the news the gangs put a hit out on the cops and there families. Fine pillers of the community?? :banghead::banghead:

[Oldmanzues]

I wonder how many bikers were shot by police.. not other bikers ?

osm
Where are the facts ?? Not media propaganda by the phy warfare unit of the PD". Feds wanted to ban all sport bikes because all were to dangerous to ride. Many medical insurance do not cover motorcycle of any kind. Check yours to make sure. If i had stopped there to look at the bikes, I would have arrested and charged in this case. One thing that really concerns me, several killed by head shots, mark of a trained sniper to me.
I go back to a era where if you rode a motorcycle at at all, you were a hood and should be avoided at all costs
Oldmanzues

[Oldmanzues]

Good
Please remember to many you are a biker because you ride
Oldmanzues

[Bob Denman]

Just what does that term mean to you? :dontknow:
Are you a "Biker", if you own a motorcycle?
Is it more brand specific than that?
Is there a mileage commitment?
What does it mean?
Is it even important? :D

[Oldmanzues]

Buzz words like biker can mean what the person wants it to be. A Hog rider is a horrible person, everybody knows that. Unarmed is more important then anything else, even thou the person is huge and half your age. A thug is what ? Only a sissy would ride a Gold Wing, by the way, I have a friend in Marine recon who might argue that point with you, since he rides one. No one group has the lock being good or bad. Everybody knows if you wear a leather jacket you are a hood (what ever they are)http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107941&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107942&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1 Ss not sure what that makes me, FYI, Look at the gold stars, Police who died r

[Bob Denman]

Me? :shocked:
I'm just a "Rider"... ;)

[AY4B]

I found an interesting read

False Flags, Biker Gangs, and the PATCON Legacy (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/)https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/

[AY4B]

Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting Updates: 14 Police Officers Fired “thousands of rounds” on 200 Bikers Killing 9, Wounding 18 – Two Thirds Of Those Arrested Had No Prior Criminal History… (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/21/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-updates-14-police-officers-fired-thousands-of-rounds-on-200-bikers-killing-9-wounding-18-two-thirds-of-those-arrested-had-no-prior-criminal-history/)

[Bob Denman]

I found an interesting read

False Flags, Biker Gangs, and the PATCON Legacy (https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/)

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/false-flags-biker-gangs-and-the-patcon-legacy/
He sounds like a blogger with his own agenda... not particularly credible. :banghead:
"Anti-State Anti-War Pro-Market"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bufTna0WArc

[WA5VHU]

Waco “Twin Peaks” Shooting Updates: 14 Police Officers Fired “thousands of rounds” on 200 Bikers Killing 9, Wounding 18 – Two Thirds Of Those Arrested Had No Prior Criminal History… (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/21/waco-twin-peaks-shooting-updates-14-police-officers-fired-thousands-of-rounds-on-200-bikers-killing-9-wounding-18-two-thirds-of-those-arrested-had-no-prior-criminal-history/)



OK, thousands of rounds means at least 2,000 rounds and implies more. 2,000 rounds / 22 officers = 90 rounds average per officer. 3,000 rounds = 136 per. Even if every officer had an automatic M-16 type rifle it is not very likely they were on "rock & roll" in a shopping center so I don't think it is very believable that the average officer fired 90 or more rounds in the short time the firefight went on. If you look at the bullet holes in the vehicles you can see that the author purposefully blurred the photo so you really can't see Jack Sh*t so you are left to accept the unnamed author's lies.

And what does "no prior criminal history" have to do with anything? Has no crime ever been committed by someone without a criminal history? Think about it!

I could go on but the rest of us know the article is full of made up lies meant to inflame the easily mislead.


Charles

[jaherbst]

Buzz words like biker can mean what the person wants it to be. A Hog rider is a horrible person, everybody knows that. Unarmed is more important then anything else, even thou the person is huge and half your age. A thug is what ? Only a sissy would ride a Gold Wing, by the way, I have a friend in Marine recon who might argue that point with you, since he rides one. No one group has the lock being good or bad. Everybody knows if you wear a leather jacket you are a hood (what ever they are)http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107941&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107942&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1 Ss not sure what that makes me, FYI, Look at the gold stars, Police who died r

All HOG members are not horrible people! I resemble that remark. 99% of Hog members are pillars of your community. It simply stands for Harley Owners Group. Sonny Barger and most "patched" clubs began riding many makes of M/C"s after WWII. After WWII a lot of surplus military Harley's were available and cheap and started the trend toward riding Harley's. Less than 1% of Harley Owners are "patched" riders. You are showing your ignorance when grouping all Harley owners in one bad bunch. (HOG)
Sonny Barger started the "Hells Angels" and has written a very interesting book about the whole movement. Educate yourself before making derogatory statements about any group.

Jack

[Bob Denman]

Question: How much does that Vest weigh? :shocked:

[ARtraveler]

Question: How much does that Vest weigh? :shocked:

About as heavy as mine. I don't wear mine much anymore, it stays on my wood carving statue.

[wyliec]

This is my vest. Wore it this morning for a light workout:

http://www.govx.com/p/26041/titin-force-weighted-compression-shirt-system?SearchTerm=titin&SearchPosition=4

Then, I had my normal morning breakfast of bacon and bacon.

[jaherbst]

Buzz words like biker can mean what the person wants it to be. A Hog rider is a horrible person, everybody knows that. Unarmed is more important then anything else, even thou the person is huge and half your age. A thug is what ? Only a sissy would ride a Gold Wing, by the way, I have a friend in Marine recon who might argue that point with you, since he rides one. No one group has the lock being good or bad. Everybody knows if you wear a leather jacket you are a hood (what ever they are)http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107941&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107942&stc=1http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107940&stc=1 Ss not sure what that makes me, FYI, Look at the gold stars, Police who died r

Just a little word of advice here, do not wear this vest around any electrical storms or lightning.:joke:

Jack

[Oldmanzues]

First of all, I was trying to be sarcastic about HOG riders and all the other "Everybody knows"I apologize if anybody thought I meant that any group is bad because of it name. Hells Angels in CA in 1960, know a lot about them and how they ride.
The vest weights a bunch, I am afraid to weigh it. It is some of 60 years of riding "stuff" event or places I have been. I never though about the lighting, but I usually do not wear it while riding except for PGR escorts or parades. I have a additional vest full of Gold Wing "stuff" that I acquired while riding with GWRRA ( Level 4 for GW members) which I usually only wear for their events. Althou, I have never owned a Gold Wing in my life. You do not have to own a Wing to belong. Lots of Spyders, now days.
All of this is part of wait for the facts on this incident. Many years ago, If you do not ride a Harley Davidson in proper Uniform of long sleeve shirt, riding pants, shinned boots, tie and a little brimed cap, you were a "hood" or outlaw and subject to police harassment all the time. If you think this kind of odd, look it up. A big thing at Harley Davidson road Rally was the Chapter dress competition. some wer so "silly", the ladies had to wear the same shade of lipstick Everybody in the club had to dressed exactly alike. I road a "Brit bike, BSA and a outlaw. Usually only the outlaws wore helmets.
I will quit and apoligize for the lenght of this.
I just got carried away.
Ride safe and have fun
Oldmanzues

[AY4B]

RIP Jesus Delgado Rodriguez

Purple Heart recipient among bikers killed in Waco shootinghttp://news.yahoo.com/bikers-others-flee-gunfire-waco-restaurant-video-051445618.html

[jaherbst]

Remember when Janet Reno, ex Attorney General ordered the burning and murder of 80 people at Waco? (ex AZ Governor) Now this. What is in the air at Waco? Just saying. Then Timathy McVeigh retaliated and blew up the Oklahoma Federal building because of the murder and burning buy the "guv-ment" of 80 innocent people being murdered. Now what is the retaliation going to be with the police shooting 9 people and injuring numerous others?
I think the worst may not be over. What do you think?

Jack

[AY4B]

Remember when Janet Reno, ex Attorney General ordered the burning and murder of 80 people at Waco? (ex AZ Governor) Now this. What is in the air at Waco? Just saying. Then Timathy McVeigh retaliated and blew up the Oklahoma Federal building because of the murder and burning buy the "guv-ment" of 80 innocent people being murdered. Now what is the retaliation going to be with the police shooting 9 people and injuring numerous others?
I think the worst may not be over. What do you think?

Jack

That is the big worry right now. I read an article giving a warning from the feds of that very thing. They say members of the US military that are connected to the Bandidos are supplying explosives to use for retaliatory strikes. On the other hand, I have also read about Russia supplying the same kind of stuff to Mexico and rebels in the US because we are doing it in Ukraine. Much of the articles I post are not necessarily true but you have to use your own discernment on them.
There also is a connection between the Zetas drug cartel and the Bandidos. Remember the Fast and furious scandal? It may still be going on.