Need some advice please

[mastertek2000]

ok so here is the deal i have a 2013 RTS SM5 waiting on the recall and hope all goes well or i can upgrade to a 2014 RT SM6 new old stock for $6500 out the door i did pay $19000 for my RTS last year

[ARtraveler]

There is a bit of a hit involved on the trade.

If its okay with you and your finances you will not be disappointed with the 2014. The new 1330 three cylinder is as different as night/day from the 998 two cylinder.

A test drive may be in order if you have not already.

I did the same in 2010. A very farkled 2008 GS/manual was traded in on the Premier Edition 2010 RT-S (then the top line one). I took about the same hit because farkles are not worth much used. Still happy. Now on my third RT.

[Chupaca]

tough one. Not knowing if the fix will be a good one hard to tell you to hang in there even longer. I feel it will be but on the other hand the 14's are a great improvement in many ways and at a good price now. How much your willing to spend/loose is your choice. Sometimes once the doubt is in you may never overcome it. :banghead:

[Bob Denman]

Your RTS, plus $6500 for the base 2014 RT? :dontknow:
Your RTS is worthy of a much better deal than that! :thumbup:

Why not get the fix, and see how well it works first?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

ok so here is the deal i have a 2013 RTS SM5 waiting on the recall and hope all goes well or i can upgrade to a 2014 RT SM6 new old stock for $6500 out the door i did pay $19000 for my RTS last yearValue / real cost of left-over RT ,Sm-6 .....approx. $ 17,500.......cost of to you for the 14 RT = $ 6,500.........this means they are offering you $11,000 for your 2013 in trade ................Me, I wouldn't do it ..........Good Luck .....Mike :thumbup:

[Cruzr Joe]

ok so here is the deal i have a 2013 RTS SM5 waiting on the recall and hope all goes well or i can upgrade to a 2014 RT SM6 new old stock for $6500 out the door i did pay $19000 for my RTS last year




going from a RTS to an RT you lose the following


Fog lights

auto adjustable rear air bag

Floorboards

frunk liner

and possibly a few other small items.

But you gain

1330 engine

6 speed transmission

NEW BIKE

no heat problems



Your call

Cruzr Joe

[Cruzr Joe]

Value / real cost of left-over RT ,Sm-6 .....approx. $ 17,500.......cost of to you for the 14 RT = $ 6,500.........this means they are offering you $11,000 for your 2013 in trade ................Me, I wouldn't do it ..........Good Luck .....Mike :thumbup:




$17,500 is kind of low for a new Spyder. just my .02 cents worth of opinion.


Cruzr Joe

[ARtraveler]

One additional point to consider now that some others have chimed in.

The hit seems pretty hard on the trade, but keep in mind that the resale value of 2013's has been impaired because of the heat issues.

That issue may continue to be a problem with 2013's fix or not. Let's hope the fix is so good that poor resale value issues will disappear.

This really is a bit of a dilemma.

[finless]

If I could get that deal for $6500 I would be all over it!

Bob

[blacklightning]

$17,500 is kind of low for a new Spyder. just my .02 cents worth of opinion.


Cruzr Joe

That is what Louis Powersports was selling their RT SM6's for in september (I am still smiling because of that deal:D). As for the things that you will loose, you can add the things at a minimal cost. I have added foglights and have floorboards on the way. As for the air ride suspension, it is nothing that I would use. Since you already have a SM5, you would not be loosing the floorboards anyway. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

$17,500 is kind of low for a new Spyder. just my .02 cents worth of opinion.


Cruzr Joe

According to HIS POST the NEW Spyder is not a 2015 .....it's a new left-over 2014 , this Spyder is now MORE than a Year old in the world of buying and selling.......................I still think the DEAL is not in His favor , which is what I said ...................Mike :thumbup:

[ThreeWheels]

I'm not sure what you're asking ?
I went from a 2010 RTS to 2014 RTS for a little more money, about 8K.
I thought it was well worth it. The 2014 RTS is superior in handling, comfort, gas mileage.
All the geegaws and doodads work correctly right out of the box. All I've added was a little bit of lighting.
BRP hit a homerun with the redesigned RT's.
If you can afford it, go for it.
Otherwise wait for the factory fix to the 2013. Maybe they'll get all the issues straightened out, but even if they iron all the issues out, the 2014 is a superior machine.

As always, my free advice comes with a double your money back guarantee.

[robmorg]

Your RTS, plus $6500 for the base 2014 RT? :dontknow:
Your RTS is worthy of a much better deal than that! :thumbup:

Why not get the fix, and see how well it works first?


Value / real cost of left-over RT ,Sm-6 .....approx. $ 17,500.......cost of to you for the 14 RT = $ 6,500.........this means they are offering you $11,000 for your 2013 in trade ................Me, I wouldn't do it ..........Good Luck .....Mike :thumbup:
I would tend to side with Bob & Mike's side of the argument above. If I were shopping for a new RT now, I would absolutely pay a few thousand more for a 2014 left-over than a 2013 left-over. BUT, would I trade my 2013 RTL, plus another $5500 (adjusted for diff between the '13 RTS & RTL), for a left-over base 2014 RT? No way!!

Here are my reasons why...


I would miss the nice upgrades your bike already has (that you already paid more for)... The fog and LED accent lights look great and offer better viability; and the floor boards and the adjustable (on the fly) rear suspension add a LOT to the comfort factor. (Plus I love the wheels on the 2013 RTS - even more than those on the Limited.)
In addition to the extra money they want, you would loose the money you put into any mods or "farkles" you've added that you cannot take with you.
According to the latest "unofficial" word from NHTSA (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?79253-NHTSA-Update), the upcoming fix is expected to be rather comprehensive (although we won't know exactly what it will be for another month or so).
Even if you have to do more, on your own, to eliminate additional heat, it will NOT cost you $6500. I've already gotten rid of most of the heat problem on my 2013 RT for a little less than half of that amount, and that includes paying the dealer labor to do the work.
Even though the 1330 is indeed a nicer engine, and gets better fuel economy, the 998 Rotax is also a proven, good performing engine. I have NO complaints about my engine or the 5-speed transmission. I've gotten used to the higher revs and actually enjoy that about the 998.

[ulflyer]

I'd go for it simply for peace of mind and outstanding reliability.:D

[robmorg]

I'd go for it simply for peace of mind and outstanding reliability.:D
...but, you fly an ultralight! :sour: :D


Rob
aka "Cessnaflyer"

[robmorg]

This has been an interesting thread. Obviously opinions are on two sides of the fence here.

Mastertek, has this discussion helped you at all, or just made the decision more difficult? :sour:

[vondalyn]

not just the 1330 engine, but the maintenance schedule and costs -- no more valve adjustments. I'd go for the 2014.

[mastertek2000]

ok so i found another dealer that i can upgrade to a 2014 Can-Am Spyder® RT-S SE6 for $9600
how are the automatic verse the stander shifts i know they do hold their value more
i do have the RTS-SM5 also does the 2014 come with riders floor boards ?

[Bob Denman]

also does the 2014 come with riders floor boards ?
The Limited, and the RT-S with the SE-6 transmission do.

The Base RT, and RT-S with the manual tranny do not.

[mastertek2000]

bob you run a auto or manual ? if you run a auto do you like it

[ARtraveler]

bob you run a auto or manual ? if you run a auto do you like it

Not Bob, but out of five :ani29:'s, four of mine have been the semi auto. When I bought the first--semi auto was not an available option.

Performance and fuel economy wise, there are really no big differences. About $1,500 more cost initially, but you will get that back in resale or trade value. We do not hear much about mechanical difficulties either now.

Do I miss running a manual tranny? No, not at all.

[Bob Denman]

bob you run a auto or manual ? if you run a auto do you like it

Both of my RTs have been "ESSIES"... I LOVE them!! :2thumbs:

[mastertek2000]

This has been an interesting thread. Obviously opinions are on two sides of the fence here.

Mastertek, has this discussion helped you at all, or just made the decision more difficult? :sour:

it has helped me i am looking into trading it i am afraid if i hold on to it longer and the fix does not fully work my bike will be like a plague and no one would want it

[robmorg]

bob you run a auto or manual ? if you run a auto do you like itJust last Saturday, I had an opportunity to take out my dealer's F3 demo with an SM6 for about 40 minutes. Before last week, I had never ridden a Spyder with the manual transmission. I thought the manual trans was smooth (for a bike). Of course, all the cruisers I rode before the Spyder had manual transmissions. But while I enjoyed the F3 experience, it also made me really happy that my RT has a semi-automatic. I've grown to love the paddle shifters, and no clutch lever, and never having to down-shift unless I really want to. ;)

[cptjam]

Even if the fix is massive, it will not include a 1330 engine, 6 speed trans, twin radiators.........Work a few bucks off the deal, and go for it. There is nothing they can do to compensate the hundreds of people who lost $$$$ on the 13 RT. Like ever. The 14 and up is such a better machine, there is no way to make the 13 and 14 on a equal footing. Residual value on the 13 is plummeting, and no relief in sight. Go for the new bike. You will love it, and while losing money is bad, not riding and losing more later is worse! JMHO, Joe

[mastertek2000]

Even if the fix is massive, it will not include a 1330 engine, 6 speed trans, twin radiators.........Work a few bucks off the deal, and go for it. There is nothing they can do to compensate the hundreds of people who lost $$$$ on the 13 RT. Like ever. The 14 and up is such a better machine, there is no way to make the 13 and 14 on a equal footing. Residual value on the 13 is plummeting, and no relief in sight. Go for the new bike. You will love it, and while losing money is bad, not riding and losing more later is worse! JMHO, Joe
well said joe working on a couple of deals now

[mastertek2000]

Well got the deal done going down to PA Saturday to pick up the new bike ended up getting the 2014 Can-Am Spyder® RT-S SE6
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=105042&stc=1

[Bob Denman]

:congrats: And I even like the Color that you picked! :clap: :2thumbs:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=105046&stc=1

[ARtraveler]

I am thinking you are going to be a very happy camper. :yes:

[Magdave]

Everyone says it won't happen but what if the fix includes a 1330 put into the 13 frame that was designed for it? How many 1330's could be built in 6mo. which is how long they have been putting the fix together? I am sure you will like the bike you are getting but I will wait and see what happens next month. I can wait a year or 2 to get a 1330 if that is what I want to do and hopefully get a better deal. JMHO

[Cruising RT]

Even if the fix is massive, it will not include a 1330 engine, 6 speed trans, twin radiators.........Work a few bucks off the deal, and go for it. There is nothing they can do to compensate the hundreds of people who lost $$$$ on the 13 RT. Like ever. The 14 and up is such a better machine, there is no way to make the 13 and 14 on a equal footing. Residual value on the 13 is plummeting, and no relief in sight. Go for the new bike. You will love it, and while losing money is bad, not riding and losing more later is worse! JMHO, Joe

Totally Agree with you! Had a 2013 RT SE5 until last week. I was concerned about the FIX not fixing the heat issue and felt as if the value on the 13 was decreasing by the minute so I decided to deal with any lost now instead of larger lost later. Traded my 13 for a used 14 RTS Limited (980 miles). Managed to negotiate my bike plus 6500 and I'm not looking back. Outstanding Ride, 1330 engine, 6 speed, WOW!!!!! If you can afford to get in the 1330 club, then my suggestion is don't wait. Make a deal that works for you and step up.

[mastertek2000]

Totally Agree with you! Had a 2013 RT SE5 until last week. I was concerned about the FIX not fixing the heat issue and felt as if the value on the 13 was decreasing by the minute so I decided to deal with any lost now instead of larger lost later. Traded my 13 for a used 14 RTS Limited (980 miles). Managed to negotiate my bike plus 6500 and I'm not looking back. Outstanding Ride, 1330 engine, 6 speed, WOW!!!!! If you can afford to get in the 1330 club, then my suggestion is don't wait. Make a deal that works for you and step up.

I was all so thinking like you and taking a small lost now than a larger one after as it was took me a while to find a dealer that would take it in trade the 2 local dealers where not interested out of eight dealers only 2 would deal with me one low balled wanted to give me $10000 the other was some what fair and gave me $14000 so the way i figured it coast me $5000 to have a years fun on my spyder

[robmorg]

I was all so thinking like you and taking a small lost now than a larger one after as it was took me a while to find a dealer that would take it in trade the 2 local dealers where not interested out of eight dealers only 2 would deal with me one low balled wanted to give me $10000 the other was some what fair and gave me $14000 so the way i figured it coast me $5000 to have a years fun on my spyder:congrats: on the new RTS. It looks great. :thumbup:. I'm sure you will be much happier with that then you would have been with the base RT, given that you already had an RTS.

What dealer in Pennsylvania did you find?

[mastertek2000]

:congrats: on the new RTS. It looks great. :thumbup:. I'm sure you will be much happier with that then you would have been with the base RT, given that you already had an RTS.

What dealer in Pennsylvania did you find?

Smith Marine LLC. now lets hope for some good weather its a 5 hour ride wife is going to kill me LOL

[one2doo]

I think you made the right choice your going to love the 1330.

[aeroshots]

:clap:Good decision. JMHO

[retired1]

I was all so thinking like you and taking a small lost now than a larger one after as it was took me a while to find a dealer that Ftake it in trade the 2 local dealers where nt interested out of eight dealers only 2 would deal with me one low balled wanted to give me $10000 the other was some what fair and gave me $14000 so the way i figured it coast me $5000 to have a years fun on my spyder

Don't feel bad! I talked to a dealer who wanted $6000, in addition to my '14 RTSse6 for a base F3.

[easysuper]

In Sept. of 2013 we bought our first 2013 RTse we really liked it even with the heat issue which was not as bad as some people have talked about but when riding in the high 80s and into the 90s it could get uncomfortable as any bike can, my wife who had never rode a bike besides behind me learned to ride mine and got her endorsment in the spring of 2014 she bought her own 2013 998 RT limited as the price for the triple was to much to take . I put over 18K on my 998 the first year and enjoyed every minute of it . This year when having the service done on my bike our dealer made me an offer I could not refuse on a new old stock 2014 , one of my biggest reasons for taking him up on it was the fact that I pull a Trailmaster Aspen and wanted the extra power. Would I say that the differance between the two bikes are WORLDS apart like you hear everyone claim ? my answer is not really, there is a differance but not between night and day like some people expound on. Am I glad I got the bike ? Yes for the reason I explained . Would I take a big hit to do it ? I would need to think long and hard about it. We are waiting for the " FIX" for her bike and hope the outcome is good. Will we trade hers in on a triple ? mayby not untill she wears her 998 out which may not take long as in 7 months shes put 14K on it and for a first time rider that says alot .

[Ronbo]

ok so here is the deal i have a 2013 RTS SM5 waiting on the recall and hope all goes well or i can upgrade to a 2014 RT SM6 new old stock for $6500 out the door i did pay $19000 for my RTS last year

As Others have saidRIDE THE 2014! It will make up your mind! I traded my 2013, took a sizable hit, but the 1330 is light years better. Go for it! JMHO

Ron

[Bob Denman]

Everyone says it won't happen but what if the fix includes a 1330 put into the 13 frame that was designed for it? How many 1330's could be built in 6mo. which is how long they have been putting the fix together? I am sure you will like the bike you are getting but I will wait and see what happens next month. I can wait a year or 2 to get a 1330 if that is what I want to do and hopefully get a better deal. JMHO

Dave,
I'm sorry; I just don't see that as a possible outcome... :shocked:
With the triple, the six-speed transmission, the dual radiators, the new gas tank and revised plumbing; you'd definitely need all-new bodywork up front too! nojoke

[ARtraveler]

I will make one final statement. If I am wrong, then many will be very happy.

I do not see BRP making either a buy-back or an engine switch. A buy-back would be easier of course. An engine switch--IMO--would be a mechanical nightmare for most dealers, and the necessary parts to update the "old" 2013 configuration that accepted the 998 to the "new" configuration to accept the 1330 would require mods to the front end (per Bob).

Thirty days or so from now, we should have the answer, and then the fix reports should be hitting the site.

My fingers are also crossed for all of you waiting. :yes::yes::yes:

[Magdave]

Dave,
I'm sorry; I just don't see that as a possible outcome... :shocked:
With the triple, the six-speed transmission, the dual radiators, the new gas tank and revised plumbing; you'd definitely need all-new bodywork up front too! nojoke

Not really. New 2014 frunk, remove 998 motor mounts slip in the 1330+ ECM + 2014 shocks and be on your way. The Frunks mount exactly the same way remember the 2013 frame IS the 2014 frame minus the engine. One can dream can't they?

[Cruzr Joe]

Well got the deal done going down to PA Saturday to pick up the new bike ended up getting the 2014 Can-Am Spyder® RT-S SE6
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=105042&stc=1



Very nice, you will love it.


Cruzr Joe

[ericauz]

Even if the fix is massive, it will not include a 1330 engine, 6 speed trans, twin radiators.........Work a few bucks off the deal, and go for it. There is nothing they can do to compensate the hundreds of people who lost $$$$ on the 13 RT. Like ever. The 14 and up is such a better machine, there is no way to make the 13 and 14 on a equal footing. Residual value on the 13 is plummeting, and no relief in sight. Go for the new bike. You will love it, and while losing money is bad, not riding and losing more later is worse! JMHO, Joe

My 2013 RTS has twin radiators, I assumed all 2013 had them. I did buy it used, maybe it was modified.

[Magdave]

My 2013 RTS has twin radiators, I assumed all 2013 had them. I did buy it used, maybe it was modified.

No it does not. You have 1 radiator on the right side and 1 oil cooler on the left. The 2014 and up has a split radiator one one each side.:thumbup: