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PCBeachBum
11-14-2014, 05:47 PM
Great story!!!

A WW2 unique story with very amazing similarities of two very different pilots



https://www.youtube.com/embed/agwnwqCdwl8

cuznjohn
11-14-2014, 05:56 PM
my dad was a radio man and top gunner on b 17's and b 24's

Bob Denman
11-14-2014, 06:07 PM
What a story!! :clap: :2thumbs:
Fate can certainly weave an interesting tapestry of our lives... :D

Chupaca
11-14-2014, 07:49 PM
how many never got this opportunity....amazing flyers and machines. Because of them we stand where we are today....:2thumbs:

oldguyinTX
11-14-2014, 10:25 PM
My dad was a ball turret gunner on a B-17 "Riley's Racehorse" in 1942. He flew 25 missions over Europe, won the DFC, Air Medal & the Bronze Star with two clusters. He didn't talk much about the war, but when he did, it was always about the other crews & pilots, not about himself. A humble man who thought about others rather than himself. He was a great inspiration to me, and, I believe, to others as well. They are truly the greatest generation, and we owe them a lot. I think of him every day, and miss him every day. God Bless each and every one.

Oldmanzues
11-16-2014, 05:16 PM
the story of the Red Tails and the men who flew them is facsinating. What the black pilots and squadrons overcame to do what they did. to talk to and be around these guys is even better. Ohio PGR has had the Honor of escorting these Airman on a couple different occasions and even got to attend a meal with them in Xenia, Ohio when the moving Viet Nam was there. A great bunch of guys in person. I was Honored to able to attend to atend these Missions.

On a different note, The USAF museum in Dayton, Ohio is well worth a trip to see, including the B-17 and P-51 Mustang. P in the Amry Air Corp was the name for a Pursuit aircraft. sometime after the creation of the USAF, the P turned into F for fighter.

Oh i screwed up. It is not the the USAF museum, it is the The National Museum of the United Air Force. Have to be PC on this one.
Oldmanzues

chuck gross
11-16-2014, 07:14 PM
truly the greatest generation we all owe them a huge debt of gratitude.
My Dad and his Cousin both flew for the Army air corps during world war 2 My dad stayed state side and trained many Pilots.
My Dads Cousin Clayton Kelley Gross was sent to Europe and flew 105 missions he had 5 confirmed kills earning him Ace status
He also shot down a german jet powered fighter I think it was called an MG 102 the german pilot parachuted to safety Clayton wrote a book called Live Bait the name of his P-51 fighter plane. Clayton actually met the German jet pilot that he shot down at a world war 2 pilots convention in Europe in the 90's this is all in his book that you can purchase on Amazon.
Clayton and 3 Navy pilots were recently invited to the White house last May to see the President and were honored with congressional gold
coins.
there will most likely never be any more Pilots that will earn Ace status as war has changed and they just don't air fight like that very much any more.
My Dad and Clayton both became Dentist's after the war.

oldguyinTX
11-16-2014, 09:08 PM
There is an air museum in Galveston, Texas that flies several WWII era planes, including one of the few B-17's still flying. $500.00 for a 1/2 hour flight. Several years ago, a B-17 & a Heinkel HE-111 were at the Sikorsky Airport in Stratford CT, which is a historic area where WWII fighter planes (the Corsair) and engines for US Army vehicles were built. I went on board the B17 and was instantly transported to another time, another place. I could smell the hydraulic oil, the engine oil, and the avgas, and I evidently imagined that I could smell the cordite and the sweat and fear of the crew that flew on this particular plane during the war. It was as if, to me, my dad was there with me, giving me insight into those very long missions, the hours of boredom, and then the minutes of intense, brutal, and often deadly aerial combat. He carried in his pocket a 1922 "Liberty Walking" (the year he was born) silver dollar, which was his good luck charm. By the grace of God, he made it through and came home. Many years later, he was able to get a "new" 1922 silver dollar, and carried it in his pocket for a while. Then, he put it away, and again carried the one that he carried during the war. I asked him why he put the new one away and resumed carrying the old one, and he said, "it didn't feel right". (He played "pocket pool" with his pocket change). I have the honor of having both of them, the "old" one, which is so worn that the only thing readable on it is the last "2" of the date, 1922. All of the rest is worn completely off, both front & back. The "new" one is virtually pristine, as he only carried it for a short time. I am sure that a lot of other soldiers, airmen, marines, and naval personnel carried similar tokens with them throughout their service. I had one during my time. I hope that the sons and/or daughters of these great Americans have something of their fathers to hold on to, as i have of mine. We all owe our freedom to them, and we should never forget them. I have tried to pass his ( and others like him) legacy on to my children, and I believe that I have succeeded in doing so. 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