2013 RT Fire, 26 July 2014

[Dat Guy]

It only takes looking at my past posts to see I've had heat issues with my Spyder since the day I got it. I took it to the dealer, talked to BRP reps including Carlos, and spent thousands trying to fix the heat and fumes and had the recall and updates done. Well today my Spyder caught fire while I was riding it and now it's burnt to a crisp.

It was about 95-100 degrees outside, cool for the southern California desert. I had been riding for about 30 minutes with the cruise set to 65. I smelled burning plastic and saw smoke behind me when I looked into the rear mirrors. I pulled over into the soft shoulder in a hurry (thank god I didn't flip when I hit the sand), hit the kill switch and got off. A small amount of smoke was rising from under the seat. I turned the key and lifted the seat, and then what I can only describe as a fireball whooshed up and sent me running. There were a few people on the road but no one was hurt. The fire department got there quick but after just a few minutes it was a ball of flames. Thankfully my wife was at work and not riding with me.

If I had ridden another 30 minutes I would have been an hour from help. I have a lot of pictures and videos. I'll post a few here but I'm going to hold off on posting the video on youtube until I talk to my insurance company, lawyers, and then BRP. You know, the whole reason I went from 2 wheels to 3 was to be safer. What a joke. I'm fine, but furious.



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[SpyderAnn01]

Wow, I know exactly how you feel. In fact last weekend I went past the scene of my fire and saw the scorch mark still on the highway shoulder. Glad you weren't injured. Keep us informed on what you hear from BRP, etc.

[Chupaca]

truly sorry but very glad you were able to keep a cool head and get to safety...:yikes:

[Dragonrider]

Glad you're safe!! Not the first of these tho... :bbq::popcorn:

[Jeriatric]

Glad you're OK.

Doubt we'll hear much more from you or how it works out for you. Attorneys and all. Best of luck :thumbup:

[Dat Guy]

This community has been very helpful. I will update you all on what happens as things progress at the very least.

[adlereins]

:yikes: Wowser!!! Glad you're OK!

[Top End Unlimited]

I am so glad you are ok and can think on your feet. I just bought mine and I know there have been fires, but that scares the hell out of me. Good luck in getting this resolved. Just think, now you get a new one. Couldn't happen twice !

[GloryRyders]

:gaah::gaah::gaah:............those are amazing, scary pictures. Glad to here that you are safe and still with us!:2thumbs:

[Bob Denman]

This sounds as if it's going to have to be a very interesting dance... :shocked:
Your insurance (Assuming that you have physical damage coverage), will pay the Actual cash value of the bike...
But since it's still under warranty... will BRP just bite the bullet, and offer you a new bike? :dontknow:

Good luck! :thumbup:


Oh! I'm also glad that you escaped harm! nojoke

[Raknid]

Glad you are safe and thank you for sharing. Important to know how frequently this is occurring. Hope your settlement goes without problems.

[Bob Denman]

For the record; that was a 2013?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

:gaah::gaah::gaah::gaah::gaah:.............I am thanking the Powers that be you are OK and un-hurt ( physically ) at least.....This is another example of the band-aids not working..........there may be a silver lining though....At least that Spyder is HISTORY and can't hurt anyone else.............annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn nnnnd you should be able to a new one .......I highly recommend the one with the 1330 Ace engine in it .....:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:........again glad you are OK...........Mikeguyver :yes::yes::yes:

[oldguyinTX]

Please file a complaint with NHTSA. These events need to be on record with them. If anyone remembers, an RT burned a couple of years ago at a BRP event. Something has to be done about these very dangerous machines.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/

You were lucky to have survived, and really glad that you did. Unfortunately, I think that we have not seen the last of this.

[03hdjill]

Wow....that is very scary! Glad you are okay.

Are you able to tell us what heat mods were done on your RT?











It only takes looking at my past posts to see I've had heat issues with my Spyder since the day I got it. I took it to the dealer, talked to BRP reps including Carlos, and spent thousands trying to fix the heat and fumes and had the recall and updates done. Well today my Spyder caught fire while I was riding it and now it's burnt to a crisp.

It was about 95-100 degrees outside, cool for the southern California desert. I had been riding for about 30 minutes with the cruise set to 65. I smelled burning plastic and saw smoke behind me when I looked into the rear mirrors. I pulled over into the soft shoulder in a hurry (thank god I didn't flip when I hit the sand), hit the kill switch and got off. A small amount of smoke was rising from under the seat. I turned the key and lifted the seat, and then what I can only describe as a fireball whooshed up and sent me running. There were a few people on the road but no one was hurt. The fire department got there quick but after just a few minutes it was a ball of flames. Thankfully my wife was at work and not riding with me.

If I had ridden another 30 minutes I would have been an hour from help. I have a lot of pictures and videos. I'll post a few here but I'm going to hold off on posting the video on youtube until I talk to my insurance company, lawyers, and then BRP. You know, the whole reason I went from 2 wheels to 3 was to be safer. What a joke. I'm fine, but furious.



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[finless]

Wow, glad you are OK. Very sorry to see this. That's 4 2013's that I am aware of. Hmmmmmm......

Ann's
BRP Event
One at a gas station in TX but did not burn up completely.
Now this one.

Hoping for the best outcome for you! Please keep us informed when you can.

Bob

[Bob Denman]

Please file a complaint with NHTSA. These events need to be on record with them. If anyone remembers, an RT burned a couple of years ago at a BRP event. Something has to be done about these very dangerous machines.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/

:agree: Let them know about it... :thumbup:

:shocked: "Dangerous machines"?? :shocked:

Realizing that even one may be more than sufficient; how many have actually burned? :dontknow:
Your statement appears more designed to incite; than solve...
It reeks of hyperbole.

[finless]

Also what is going to be interesting I think is it sound like you made mods to the Spyder for heat other than BRP's recall. I hope this does not get in the way of resolution with BRP! I am sure many will want to hear the final outcome. Again glad your safe!

Bob

[spyder-dude]

Glad to hear that no one got hurt. So sorry to see another Spyder fire and BRP needs to get this resolved before someone gets hurt! It also doesn't help the Spyder reputation!

[oldguyinTX]

I have had dealings with Carlo regarding heat issues, boiling gas, etc. and I do not like him. He is condescending, and just spouts the company line. I have never been able to get a straight answer out of him and I would bet that anyone who has dealt with him would feel the same way. BRP is great at keep their head in the sand, and terrible about everything else when it comes to customer service - as in there is none. Good luck with your dealings with them, and I hope that all is resolved to your satisfaction. Also, really glad you were uninjured. A machine can be replaced, but you cannot.

[Dan McNally]

I am truly glad you were not injured.

I believe BRP has resolved much of the heat issue under the Tupperware with the ECM update back in March . . . at least mine seems to not get so hot under the seat and around the glove box.

That said, many parts that are subject to deterioration, like plastic purge valves, hoses, et al, are very likely compromised and more subject to failure than had they not been exposed to the heat that was prevalent prior to the update. BRP should bite the bullet and replace those parts before someone is seriously injured or killed. While the cost will be high to do that, the cost of a single successful wrongful death lawsuit would far exceed the cost of a parts replacement recall.

nojoke

[oldguyinTX]

:agree: Let them know about it... :thumbup:

:shocked: "Dangerous machines"?? :shocked:

Realizing that even one may be more than sufficient; how many have actually burned? :dontknow:
Your statement appears more designed to incite; than solve...
It reeks of hyperbole.

Now at least four that I know of. Not trying to incite anyone, just stating what is known to be true. Take a look at the complaints about the 2013 RT's on the NHTSA site. You will find that almost all are complaints about people getting burned, excess heat, boiling gasoline, and more. Are these people trying to incite? I think not. They are simply reporting known issues in the hope that BRP may wake up & get serious about fixing what many of the complainants refer to as "dangerous machines". It is my hope that no one is injured or worse when the next one burns.

[Lilbkrbabe]

So sorry that this happened to you. Glad you're OK.
What's it going to take for BRP to address this? A life lost?

[tigerdr]

....

Something has to be done about these very dangerous machines.

...



Are you serious? Spyder a very DANGEROUS machine?

Accident happen....

I am glad he is unhurt... and safe.

[mindman]

So glad you had the presence of mind to handle the situation in a way that kept you safe. Please keep us posted on progress. Even though this was a terrible event I hope it hasn't soured you to the Spyder experience, and that you ultimately stay in the fold with a new one. If this had happened to me I'm not sure what I would do.

[Desert Spyder]

Glad you are not the stat like the machine is bro. 13 must be an unlucky number for BRP

[jtoro1]

I would suggest to do a thorough inspection of the engine area for signs of wear any time you have the covers off specially on the right side where the fuel filter is at 10 inchs above the exhaust pipe, check hoses and clamps for leaks.

But even formula 1 cars costing many millions catch fire.

[bmccaffrey]

Glad u are ok. Understandable while your furious. BRP should be ashamed of themselves for not dealing with this problem. More worried about making money with the 14 than resloving ongoing issues with the 13.

I pray no one has to lose there life before they wake up:pray:

[JkRbbt]

Wow, those pics are impressive! I am really glad you had that shoulder available and were able to get off in a hurry. Seems to me that the cheerleaders on this site were telling us that as soon as BRP got their 2014's launched, they would take care of us that have the mis-engineered 2013 vehicles. (sound of crickets...) I mean really, how could BRP say they tested their product and not one test detected any excessive heat around/under the seat, near the fuel tank, or under the tupperware? Sure didn't take long once they hit the streets! I would love to see a BMW type of program, yes the BUY BACK program. It would put me in quite a dilemma because I love riding the Spyder, but have real reservations about BRP and their R&D!

[Magdave]

My feelings on this subject are well known and documented. The fix was a band aid at best. Promises of future RT fixes from BRP reps earlier this year have not materialized . Maybe the ST is good for 2014 some people have gotten free '14 panels for their 13 but others had to pay? Anyone who jumped ship from a 998 to a 1330 has no dog in this fight. Any shade tree fixes done may help, but, the issues of 10lbs of fiery hot crap stuffed in a 5lb Tupperware bag remain.:dontknow: I asked for a special rebate for '13 owners to upgrade maybe a buy back is in order. BRP Steve do you see what GM is going through and they had millions of units with a few lemons you guys got a bunch of lemons in a small bag IMHO.

[jcthorne]

This sounds as if it's going to have to be a very interesting dance... :shocked:
Your insurance (Assuming that you have physical damage coverage), will pay the Actual cash value of the bike...
But since it's still under warranty... will BRP just bite the bullet, and offer you a new bike? :dontknow:

Good luck! :thumbup:


Oh! I'm also glad that you escaped harm! nojoke

You got the first part right about insurance but BRP will do nothing. This is an insurance claim unless you can PROVE BRP had fault in it. By his own admission he 'worked to solve the heat issues'. BRP will wash their hands of it since it had been modified. I really feel for him and am concerned in my own right. Not really fearful of getting hurt, it does not take long to stop and get off so not a huge risk of me going up with it.

BRP has long been denying there are any further safety concerns with the 2013. The heat is a characteristic of the bike, not a defect. So they say.

The OP NEEDS to report this to the NHTSA pronto! If enough of these are reported, BRP will eventually be forced to do something.....like buy them back.

[3 Wheel Addict]

Well after reading this and seeing the pictures I hope all you "non-believers" will understand why mine is in storage. There is a solution coming my way but I can't post anything about it. Dat Guy I'm glad your ok and got off safely, that is the most important part of this whole mess.

[cuznjohn]

glad your ok, bikes can be replaced

[Spyder4Tess]

Sad to see!

Are you other guys carrying fire extinguishers now?

[finless]

You got the first part right about insurance but BRP will do nothing. This is an insurance claim unless you can PROVE BRP had fault in it. By his own admission he 'worked to solve the heat issues'. BRP will wash their hands of it since it had been modified.

You can see in the last picture his pipes are wrapped. So it's an interesting question if BRP will consider that an issue for warranty coverage.

Bob

[finless]

Sad to see!

Are you other guys carrying fire extinguishers now?

I think carrying one is worthless. It's been discussed before and here is an example of it doing nothing. Later watch the gas tank go up!
It's not worth your life to try and put the fire out in my opinion! Get away from it!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RPJOp36ts

Bob

[PrairieSpyder]

I'm thankful you escaped the fire. I hope you still have your eyebrows. I also hope you'll stick with Spyder and replace it with a new '14. Please let us know how it goes.

[Magdave]

Well after reading this and seeing the pictures I hope all you "non-believers" will understand why mine is in storage. There is a solution coming my way but I can't post anything about it. Dat Guy I'm glad your ok and got off safely, that is the most important part of this whole mess.
And why is that? Is it another BRP "secret" deal like others have gotten? Hush Money?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I am truly glad you were not injured.

I believe BRP has resolved much of the heat issue under the Tupperware with the ECM update back in March . . . at least mine seems to not get so hot under the seat and around the glove box.

That said, many parts that are subject to deterioration, like plastic purge valves, hoses, et al, are very likely compromised and more subject to failure than had they not been exposed to the heat that was prevalent prior to the update. BRP should bite the bullet and replace those parts before someone is seriously injured or killed. While the cost will be high to do that, the cost of a single successful wrongful death lawsuit would far exceed the cost of a parts replacement recall.

nojoke
.:agree::agree:.&...BRP..should take a hint from the General Motors fiasco.....Mikeguyver

[oldguyinTX]

Are you serious? Spyder a very DANGEROUS machine?

Accident happen....

I am glad he is unhurt... and safe.

These fires are not "accidents". They are the result of serious design flaws that BRP refuses to address. On the whole, Spyders are safer that 2 wheelers. But if one starts burning under your butt, you might change your mind as to weather or not they can ​be dangerous.

[JkRbbt]

I don't worry so much about traveling down the road and catching fire. The machines don't really "blow up". They catch fire. Doesn't take long to brake and dump it. Hopefully you are not on the Golden Gate at rush hour! :shocked: My concern has been parking in my ATTACHED garage. Come back from a ride, put her in the garage and a while later your HOUSE is gone! That is my concern, right now.

[kubie]

First of all I would like to say I am glad you are ok Sir. And Hope all turns out well for you ! IMO you should get a full reimbursement and given a 2014 for your troubles! With that said...

I know it is the 2013 RT that seams to be burning Up. But the 2013 ST gets super hot also. Mine gets Very Very hot But I just figured I had to live with it!

I Didn't and Don't have the time to call, write or email BRP until they answer me so I purchased the 2014 panel kit. I Haven't gotten it yet.... Its on Back order!!! But I am Hopful the Kit helps because I don't want mine to be the first ST-S to burn up! I Love my Spyder, and I'm going to Keep on Ryding Because I am Addicted to this thing, and I love to Ryde!

Safe Rydyng to Ya All!

Kubie:doorag:

[bmccaffrey]

My feelings on this subject are well known and documented. The fix was a band aid at best. Promises of future RT fixes from BRP reps earlier this year have not materialized . Maybe the ST is good for 2014 some people have gotten free '14 panels for their 13 but others had to pay? Anyone who jumped ship from a 998 to a 1330 has no dog in this fight. Any shade tree fixes done may help, but, the issues of 10lbs of fiery hot crap stuffed in a 5lb Tupperware bag remain.:dontknow: I asked for a special rebate for '13 owners to upgrade maybe a buy back is in order. BRP Steve do you see what GM is going through and they had millions of units with a few lemons you guys got a bunch of lemons in a small bag IMHO.


Well said Dave!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:

[bmccaffrey]

itirst of all I would like to say I am glad you are ok Sir. And Hope all turns out well for you ! IMO you should get a full reimbursement and given a 2014 for your troubles! With that said...

I know it is the 2013 RT that seams to be burning Up. But the 2013 ST gets super hot also. Mine gets Very Very hot But I just figured I had to live with it!

I Didn't and Don't have the time to call, write or email BRP until they answer me so I purchased the 2014 panel kit. I Haven't gotten it yet.... Its on Back order!!! But I am Hopful the Kit helps because I don't want mine to be the first ST-S to burn up! I Love my Spyder, and I'm going to Keep on Ryding Because I am Addicted to this thing, and I love to Ryde!

Safe Rydyng to Ya All!

Kubie:doorag:

You had to purchase It? That is bull. It is there problem not yours:sour:

[Magdave]

You had to purchase It? That is bull. It is there problem not yours:sour:

Like I said above some got them for free some did not. I was hoping to see a similar fix for the RT namely new upper panel with a decent scoop in it to promote ventilation. Even that may not be a solution though sitting in traffic all the parts that melt still get too hot. :dontknow: I knew this was going to happen this summer ...again.

[spydee owner]

Now at least four that I know of. Not trying to incite anyone, just stating what is known to be true. Take a look at the complaints about the 2013 RT's on the NHTSA site. You will find that almost all are complaints about people getting burned, excess heat, boiling gasoline, and more. Are these people trying to incite? I think not. They are simply reporting known issues in the hope that BRP may wake up & get serious about fixing what many of the complainants refer to as "dangerous machines". It is my hope that no one is injured or worse when the next one burns.
So you personally know what caused this fire before anyone else? We on this forum do not know what mods have been made to this bike either by BRP or the owner. The owner of this machine stated that he spent thousands to correct the heat problem.
Really, on a 2013 that is under warranty.

I have owned 4 spyders one was a 2013 RT .............. put 7500 miles on it without issue. Traded for a 2013 ST Ltd.
In my opinion, people such as yourself do incite dislike and mistrust.
Also, even though I have had no dealings with Carlo at BRP, many people on this forum seem to like him and find him helpful.
If you dislike these -in your own words- dangerous machines, why don't you just sell it and buy a Toyota or GM or Ford or Honda or HD product? They have all had recalls for a variety of things.
I don't care if some on this forum find this post a little salty or acidic, get out your flame throwers I can take it.
Wait for the facts of the fire investigation, then start spouting off!

[finless]

I knew this was going to happen this summer ...again.

I hate to say it but me too...

An interesting thing. Of the 4 that have burned or caught fire, 2 happened in California where humidity is low and temps can be 95 easy in the summer! Coincidence?

Bob

[Magdave]

So you personally know what caused this fire before anyone else? We on this forum do not know what mods have been made to this bike either by BRP or the owner. The owner of this machine stated that he spent thousands to correct the heat problem.
Really, on a 2013 that is under warranty.

I have owned 4 spyders one was a 2013 RT .............. put 7500 miles on it without issue. Traded for a 2013 ST Ltd.
In my opinion, people such as yourself do incite dislike and mistrust.
Also, even though I have had no dealings with Carlo at BRP, many people on this forum seem to like him and find him helpful.
If you dislike these -in your own words- dangerous machines, why don't you just sell it and buy a Toyota or GM or Ford or Honda or HD product? They have all had recalls for a variety of things.
I don't care if some on this forum find this post a little salty or acidic, get out your flame throwers I can take it.
Wait for the facts of the fire investigation, then start spouting off!

And you live in Canada where hitting 70deg is a heat wave come on down to the lower south and you will be singing a different tune I am sure. As for selling them the depreciation on a 13 is almost 1/2 of what you paid because of the defects. Step into the real world do you want to give BRP $10k to get rid of what is their problem? There won't be any facts forth coming from BRP heck they even refused to pick up one that caught on fire already. There is nothing left to analyze.

[bn2wild]

I am glad you are OK, sorry about your bike...

You know what always sticks out in my mind? I see lots of people joining our group here and on facebook, and they are always so proud of their new 2013 Spyder that they got and love it.
We all know it was a fabulous bike, but I always wonder if anyone ever says "hey the 2013's have a history of catching fire"?
Then I think, what if I didn't know this and bought one... Would someone tell me? How would I know before I bought it?

I think there has to be a notice when selling these 2013's to people!

[CentralCoastCA]

Dat Guy, glad you are okay and help was close. Hope to see you ryding again.

[flamingobabe]

so glad you are OK...report this to www.nhtsa.gov (http://www.nhtsa.gov) scary

[KX5062]

I'm glad you're safe and I too will echo the report it to NHTSA thing.

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml

I will also opine that owner modifications done to solve a heat problem that BRP was unable to solve and are properly documented will not cause any real problem. IF BRP chooses to be nasty they can raise the issue, but I don't believe in the end it would amount to anything more than be nasty, if they say anything about it at all.

In California, they, being either the insurance company or BRP, would be on the hook for fair market value and not replacement cost, unless you have that as a rider on your insurance policy. If BRP offers to replace it, then that would be a bonus and they are not obligated to do that. It might work better to go through your insurance company and let them slug it out with BRP for reimbursement. Just a thought.

[spydee owner]

And you live in Canada where hitting 70deg is a heat wave come on down to the lower south and you will be singing a different tune I am sure.

I rode the 2013 RT last summer in a ride that was in ambient temperature of 35 degrees Celcius (95 fahrenheit)for about 250 miles without issue.
The temperatures up here do go much higher than 70F. Have ridden the ST and my GS in similar conditions, with no issues.
So if ambient temps are excessive is that the machines fault? Some HD owners in Southern US also have heat issues and I will hazard to speculate that other motorcycle manufacturers have similar issues.

[Magdave]

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/121812-can-am-spyder-burned.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/2rp3f5d.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/2ihne4i.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/75RPJOp36ts/hqdefault.jpg

[bmccaffrey]

I am glad you are OK, sorry about your bike...

You know what always sticks out in my mind? I see lots of people joining our group here and on facebook, and they are always so proud of their new 2013 Spyder that they got and love it.
We all know it was a fabulous bike, but I always wonder if anyone ever says "hey the 2013's have a history of catching fire"?
Then I think, what if I didn't know this and bought one... Would someone tell me? How would I know before I bought it?

I think there has to be a notice when selling these 2013's to people!


WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY?????????
MAKE IT RIGHT BRP!!!!!

[Magdave]

I rode the 2013 RT last summer in a ride that was in ambient temperature of 35 degrees Celcius (95 fahrenheit)for about 250 miles without issue.
The temperatures up here do go much higher than 70F. Have ridden the ST and my GS in similar conditions, with no issues.
So if ambient temps are excessive is that the machines fault? Some HD owners in Southern US also have heat issues and I will hazard to speculate that other motorcycle manufacturers have similar issues.

Don't bother to hazard we could care less about anything but our $30k Spyder. 250mi. is a trip to the store for most of us it takes time for things to melt and includes a lot of stop and go and sitting in traffic riding. You can defend all you want but they admitted a problem when they issued a recall and told people at events a fix (in addition to recal) was coming soon. That was several months ago and not a peep has been heard.:banghead:

[spydee owner]

http://blog.motorcycle.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/121812-can-am-spyder-burned.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/2rp3f5d.jpg
http://i30.tinypic.com/2ihne4i.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/75RPJOp36ts/hqdefault.jpg

Just saying that get all the facts before posting.
Yes, report to NHTSB, (that in my opinion is the way to go).
Pictures do not tell the story without the documented facts of the investigation.

[Bob Denman]

Was it a recall?
Or a Technical Service Bulletin?

[Magdave]

Was it a recall?
Or a Technical Service Bulletin?

It was a Recall for the tinfoil fix Bob.

[Bob Denman]

Thanks! :thumbup:
Since I had no dog in that fight; I honestly wasn't paying attention as to exactly how it went down...

[spydee owner]

Don't bother to hazard we could care less about anything but our $30k Spyder. 250mi. is a trip to the store for most of us it takes time for things to melt and includes a lot of stop and go and sitting in traffic riding. You can defend all you want but they admitted a problem when they issued a recall and told people at events a fix (in addition to recal) was coming soon. That was several months ago and not a peep has been heard.:banghead:

The 250 mile trip I mentioned was just one of many trips on the bike.
So now you are representing everyone that owns a 2013 model ( we could care less about anything but our $30k Spyder)?
I am not defending anyone just asking for facts before making accusations.

[3 Wheel Addict]

I don't worry so much about traveling down the road and catching fire. The machines don't really "blow up". They catch fire. Doesn't take long to brake and dump it. Hopefully you are not on the Golden Gate at rush hour! :shocked: My concern has been parking in my ATTACHED garage. Come back from a ride, put her in the garage and a while later your HOUSE is gone! That is my concern, right now.



BINGO! That's why mine went into a storage unit.

[Bob Denman]

Why not sell the bike; take the money, and buy something that you can enjoy?
Letting it sit in storage; just seems like a good waste of cash... :shocked:

[robmorg]

This community has been very helpful. I will update you all on what happens as things progress at the very least.

Dat Guy,

First of all, it is so fantastic that you were able to notice the problem when you did and got away safely. If anything good can be said about your experience THAT would be it.

Please DO keep us updated, on both the outcome of your experience with BRP, and if you can discover exactly why the fire occurred. I'm very concerned because, just last week I had my dealer wrap both exhaust headers and I added a lot of reflective heat tape around the top of the engine compartment (and underside of panels) to reflect heat away from the seat openings. It seems to have done some good, but obviously now I'm hoping that these "fixes" didn't create worse problems.

BRP seems to have resolved the issue on 2014 models, but they owe it to the rest of us to resolve it as well, regardless of the expense. Please do take seriously other's suggestion here that you file a report with the NHTSA. That's the only way that the problem will be satisfactorily corrected for everyone.

You have every right to be furious, and I hope they make things right for you. And again, SO glad you suffered no personal injury in this extremely unfortunate event.

[Magdave]

The 250 mile trip I mentioned was just one of many trips on the bike.
So now you are representing everyone that owns a 2013 model ( we could care less about anything but our $30k Spyder)?
I am not defending anyone just asking for facts before making accusations.

Last post to you I am not going to keep :bdh: just for you to learn what you should already know. If you had done the reading last year about this issue you would have a clue about what I am talking about . They fact is another 2013 has gone up in flames and it is not like an airplane to figure out what happened all the evidence is pretty much melted or burned. Yes you are defending BRP and not the owners of the bikes. Other years had some fires too but it is most prevalent on the 2013 RT & ST. Go take a long ride as I sit home waiting for the temps to go below 100deg because I simply will not chance doing myself or the bike any damage at this point. We have 60+ days a year above 90deg do you?

[robmorg]

It was a Recall for the tinfoil fix Bob.WHAT RECALL?? I haven't been notified about it, and it sure does not come up in BUDS.

UPDATE: Updated information on this in post #112 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?70542-2013-RT-Fire-26-July-2014&p=848284&viewfull=1#post848284).

[IGETAROUND]

Glad you were not injured!! Great presence of mind to get is safely stopped and away from it!! Will look forward to hearing the final resolution of this for you. :popcorn::sour:

[Blue Star]

I hate to say it but me too...

An interesting thing. Of the 4 that have burned or caught fire, 2 happened in California where humidity is low and temps can be 95 easy in the summer! Coincidence?

Bob

I am glad that Dat Guy is okay, and pray that things works out for him in regards of the bike. As for the fact that two fire were in California. Could it be because we get to ride more due to the weather?

[Bob Denman]

I seem to recall a study about how much folks ride in the different States...
California wasn't the highest... :shocked:
But you guys DID rack up some miles! :D

You could probably Google it, and get the correct numbers...

[SpyderAnn01]

Sad to see!

Are you other guys carrying fire extinguishers now?

Total waste of time and money. You can't get to the source of the fire when it is under the tupperware.


I have had dealings with Carlo regarding heat issues, boiling gas, etc. and I do not like him. He is condescending, and just spouts the company line. I have never been able to get a straight answer out of him and I would bet that anyone who has dealt with him would feel the same way. BRP is great at keep their head in the sand, and terrible about everything else when it comes to customer service - as in there is none. Good luck with your dealings with them, and I hope that all is resolved to your satisfaction. Also, really glad you were uninjured. A machine can be replaced, but you cannot.

He was a nice guy then he was gone for a while came back a different guy.


Are you serious? Spyder a very DANGEROUS machine?

Accident happen....

I am glad he is unhurt... and safe.

Yes, he is very serious.


So you personally know what caused this fire before anyone else? We on this forum do not know what mods have been made to this bike either by BRP or the owner. The owner of this machine stated that he spent thousands to correct the heat problem.
Really, on a 2013 that is under warranty.

I have owned 4 spyders one was a 2013 RT .............. put 7500 miles on it without issue. Traded for a 2013 ST Ltd.
In my opinion, people such as yourself do incite dislike and mistrust.
Also, even though I have had no dealings with Carlo at BRP, many people on this forum seem to like him and find him helpful.
If you dislike these -in your own words- dangerous machines, why don't you just sell it and buy a Toyota or GM or Ford or Honda or HD product? They have all had recalls for a variety of things.
I don't care if some on this forum find this post a little salty or acidic, get out your flame throwers I can take it.
Wait for the facts of the fire investigation, then start spouting off!

I put 13,000 miles in 13 weeks on a 2013 RTS and most of those miles were in the desert southwest. If you have been around this site for more a year you know what the outcome was for me. I have nearly identical pictures as DatGuy. Also, those people that seem to like him probably haven't had the opportunity to talk to him lately.


I rode the 2013 RT last summer in a ride that was in ambient temperature of 35 degrees Celcius (95 fahrenheit)for about 250 miles without issue.
The temperatures up here do go much higher than 70F. Have ridden the ST and my GS in similar conditions, with no issues.
So if ambient temps are excessive is that the machines fault? Some HD owners in Southern US also have heat issues and I will hazard to speculate that other motorcycle manufacturers have similar issues.

I don't mean to beat you up on this but it takes more than 250 miles to melt through parts on the Spyder. When the recall was issued for the master cylinder (which included wrapping the evap canister and the parking brake cable) there were a lot of 13s that had melting parts and each one of them was one hot ride away from burning up.

Thank God he wasn't hurt and that he didn't start a wildfire.

[tigerdr]

These fires are not "accidents". They are the result of serious design flaws that BRP refuses to address. On the whole, Spyders are safer that 2 wheelers. But if one starts burning under your butt, you might change your mind as to weather or not they can ​be dangerous.

At least, BRP adress some issues with an update of the ECM. May be it's not perfect, but they did something. If NHTSA or TRANSPORT CANADA find this situation hazardous and dangerous, they will have BRP to make a recall for a safety issue (like the gas cap). But they didn't...???

[SpydieKat]

I am so glad there were no injuries or wildfires because of this latest 2013 Spyder fire.

The heat issues seem to be a problem with all years (except 2014) and most models. I had a 2009 originally and now have a 2012. I traded to the 2012 thinking the heat issue wouldn't be as bad as the 2009. I have pics of red marks on my right leg from riding the 2009. I got the 2012 in January and riding it during the winter months was fine, but now that the temps are up, I am having the same heat issues. I can't go riding past 8am.

The service department at my dealer is horrendous. I took the 2012 in 2 weeks after I bought it because it wouldn't down shift itself. They had it for 4 weeks, said they tore everything apart, said they never found a problem and blamed my riding skills. I'm afraid to take it in to complain about heat issues. It won't do any good anyway.

Maybe all of us who have heat issues should file a complaint with the NHTSA? BRP might then be forced to do something about it??

[Raknid]

My biggest concern is after a ride as well....I let it sit in the driveway. I have an attached garage and house fire could result in more danger than just the ting burning at the side of the road.

[jcthorne]

Sad to see!

Are you other guys carrying fire extinguishers now?

What for? By the time you know there is a fire and pull over, you need to get away! NOW! Its already too late to save the bike. Don't be a hero.

[jcthorne]

You can see in the last picture his pipes are wrapped. So it's an interesting question if BRP will consider that an issue for warranty coverage.

Bob

At this point, there IS NO WARRANTY COVERAGE. The bike is a total loss. Its an insurance issue, not a warranty claim. I've been through this, although not with a Spyder.

[Magdave]

WHAT RECALL?? I haven't been notified about it, and it sure does not come up in BUDS.

If you bought yours in OCT it may have already been done. I believe it was 2013-6

[Jeriatric]

Dave,

You have taken so much heat (pun intended) for standing your ground on this issue. It is amazing YOU haven't burst into flames.

Hang in there......

Jerry :doorag:

[flamingobabe]

I just read on facebook that a female rider filed a complaint with NHTSA (www.nhtsa.gov (http://www.nhtsa.gov)) after unsuccessful results from her dealer and BRP to fix the heat issues and DOT contacted her to test her 2013 RT and look at the fixes from BRP.....she said the DOT investigator has been assigned to Can-am...BRP complaints....when she updates...I'll update here

[Dat Guy]

Thank you for the replies folks. I will indeed be making a report to the NHTSA. For those that are curious the only mods I had done to reduce heat were wrapping the pipes and having heat shielding put in it to reduce heat. But the rest... a Utopia backrest, F4 windshield, Muth signal mirrors, BRP adjustable wind vents, digital gauges, custom sheepskin cover, bike alarm, Spyderpops bumpskid, cargo trays and more, including the labor I paid to have it all done.

If BRP tries to tell me that wrapping the pipes is a problem they're going to have to prove it in court, because I can and will spend the time and money on a lawyer to pursue this if that's the road they want to go down. If you look at the pictures the heat wrap is the only thing that survived the fire intact. In fact, if I do have to lawyer up, I'll ask about reaching out to others who had theirs burn as well for a possible class action suit... I do live in California after all, so you know there are lawyers here who do nothing but that.

[oldguyinTX]

So you personally know what caused this fire before anyone else? We on this forum do not know what mods have been made to this bike either by BRP or the owner. The owner of this machine stated that he spent thousands to correct the heat problem.
Really, on a 2013 that is under warranty.

I have owned 4 spyders one was a 2013 RT .............. put 7500 miles on it without issue. Traded for a 2013 ST Ltd.
In my opinion, people such as yourself do incite dislike and mistrust.
Also, even though I have had no dealings with Carlo at BRP, many people on this forum seem to like him and find him helpful.
If you dislike these -in your own words- dangerous machines, why don't you just sell it and buy a Toyota or GM or Ford or Honda or HD product? They have all had recalls for a variety of things.
I don't care if some on this forum find this post a little salty or acidic, get out your flame throwers I can take it.
Wait for the facts of the fire investigation, then start spouting off!

I never said that I "personally" know what caused this fire. Also never said that I "dislike" these machines. The fact is, I & my wife love our RT, and ride as often as we can. My issue is that BRP has done nothing to address the heat problems of the RT even under warranty as you stated, other than to say it is "normal". If it is "normal", why aren't all of the 2013 RT's affected? Or is it more "normal" for them to not be affected? Why did you trade your RT at 7500 miles with out issue for an ST Ltd? If, as you state, you truly had no issues with the RT, then good for you that you got one of the "good" ones, and now someone else will get it, and ride worry free. As far as the facts of the fire investigation, I won't hold my breath. Have you noticed that there has been no dissemination of the "facts of the fire investigation" on the other three RT's that burned? We will never know the "facts" because they will never be revealed. Your quote and/or my quotes may be salty or acidic, but at least there is a discussion going on where members of this forum can express their opinions. I may not agree with your opinion, but I am glad to see it expressed here, as I think it serves a valuable purpose, as do all of the other posts. I don't take them as a personal attack, or as taking my "side". There is no "side", only an exchange of information, which is the very reason for the existence of this forum. BTW, I don't own a flame thrower.Keep 'em coming.

[ARtraveler]

First and foremost--glad you got through this without getting hurt.

There is an upside--you may end up with a new :spyder2: in the end, if you choose to do so. The 2014's are a big improvement over the 2013 re: heat issues and such.

I do disagree with the references to the :ani29: being a dangerous machine.

I am sure we are going to hear from a lot of people that were leading the rants against the 2013's. I even made a few statements, but don't believe I became well known on the subject.

For me, I am going to sit back and watch how BRP handles any fallout. It may take some time and I note the lawyer word has already been mentioned.

The 2013 has received a lot of bad press. The 2014 has helped to counter that a lot.

:bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq::bbq: seems appropriate here. :yes:

[SpyderAnn01]

OldGuy it is unlikely that the remains of his Spyder will tell much. I know mine was even more completely burned than DatGuys.

[JkRbbt]

Our Alaska friend says, "The 2013 has received a lot of bad press. The 2014 has helped to counter that a lot." Uh, it may have for BRP! Hasn't done much for the reputation of the 2013 model year or helped a 2013 owner with the depreciation because of that reputation.

[ekfraz]

I am glad no one was injured, I hardly ride mine because of the extreme heat, I already sent BRP an e-mail regarding the heat issue, no reply back yet.

[FredaD]

BRP could care less it's you that is responsible to report the issues to the proper people. Only a fool would believe a company will make it right with the proper agency involved.
i report my heat issues after my dealer says Brp did all they could by wrapping a bandaid on the problem. A week later a investigator called me and is coming to test the temps and BRPs so called fixes. So it's up to you to file a claim if you want a real fix.

I am so glad there were no injuries or wildfires because of this latest 2013 Spyder fire.

The heat issues seem to be a problem with all years (except 2014) and most models. I had a 2009 originally and now have a 2012. I traded to the 2012 thinking the heat issue wouldn't be as bad as the 2009. I have pics of red marks on my right leg from riding the 2009. I got the 2012 in January and riding it during the winter months was fine, but now that the temps are up, I am having the same heat issues. I can't go riding past 8am.

The service department at my dealer is horrendous. I took the 2012 in 2 weeks after I bought it because it wouldn't down shift itself. They had it for 4 weeks, said they tore everything apart, said they never found a problem and blamed my riding skills. I'm afraid to take it in to complain about heat issues. It won't do any good anyway.

Maybe all of us who have heat issues should file a complaint with the NHTSA? BRP might then be forced to do something about it??

[SpyderAnn01]

BRP could care less it's you that is responsible to report the issues to the proper people. Only a fool would believe a company will make it right with the proper agency involved.
i report my heat issues after my dealer says Brp did all they could by wrapping a bandaid on the problem. A week later a investigator called me and is coming to test the temps and BRPs so called fixes. So it's up to you to file a claim if you want a real fix.

Please be sure to let us know what happens with the NHTSA and your Spyder.

[Jim&Teresa]

Happy for you not being injured. :thumbup: Sad you are going through this....:gaah:

Good luck as you move forward after this event! :2thumbs:

[ARtraveler]

Our Alaska friend says, "The 2013 has received a lot of bad press. The 2014 has helped to counter that a lot." Uh, it may have for BRP! Hasn't done much for the reputation of the 2013 model year or helped a 2013 owner with the depreciation because of that reputation.

I totally agree with what you say above. I almost bought a 2013 RT and it turned out that I was glad that I decided not to. The issues killed the value of the 2013's, both on trade in and resale.

[oldguyinTX]

OldGuy it is unlikely that the remains of his Spyder will tell much. I know mine was even more completely burned than DatGuys.

Ann, I cannot really disagree with you in this particular instance. BUT, whatever - if anything - is found will most likely be suppressed by settlement, without any admission on the part of BRP that design elements or anything else had anything to do with this event. The blame will be tried to be somehow shifted to the consumer. This is a standard of product liability lawsuits. I had an industrial accident in 1988 that resulted in the amputation of three of the fingers of my left hand. When the case was settled in 1997, there was no admission of wrongdoing, guilt, or design flaw - and this was a term of the settlement - by the defendant, and a gag order was issued by the court as a part of the settlement. So do not be surprised if that happens to be the case here. The unfortunate thing is that big corporations like BRP are perfectly happy to wait you out no matter how long it takes. They retain lawyers that get paid every day to deny, stall, evade, and then offer compensation which may or may not be what the true financial and/or emotional loss is. I can only hope that DatGuy does not have to suffer through such an experience as I had. He was very fortunate indeed to have escaped with his life, as I know that you were. This is the sad state of litigation in this country. The true loser in the end is the consumer who buys something that has an implied and/or explicit warranty, only to find out that there are many loopholes that manufacturers can utilize to escape liability. BRP is not alone in this, and I am not necessarily intimating that this will be the case in this instance. Steve from BRP, if you are following this thread, it might be a good thing to reach out to DatGuy and be proactive in helping to resolve this quickly. I am sure that such action would go a long way in reassuring those of us in the Spyder community that BRP takes its responsibility seriously, and that BRP will do whatever is necessary to make good on the implied promise of safety and reliability not only for DatGuy, but for all of us who own one of the Spyders that have similar problems that have yet to be corrected. Only time will tell.

[ChasCS]

That Spyder is done, poke it with a pitch fork from Hell!!

I can see why a small ABC extinguisher would be an appropriate device to have on hand.

Hope you get this matter resolved soon, and back on the road where you should be.

Stay positive.

Chas

[Raknid]

URegarding a fire extinguisher, quite frankly if ours was to be enflamed to that point, I would prefer it finish the burn.

[spyder3]

Glad your ok first and foremost. The rest has been said....again and again.

So far everyone involved in the fires have been smart, alert and able bodied to get off the fireballs in time. What happens to the person who does not notice whats going on or is one of our disabled riders and can't get off that quick.......BRP rolling the dice.......

[Yazz]

DatGuy, glad you made it to a safe spot to bail and no-one was hurt. Like your attitude moving forward after the fire.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop!


I am so glad there were no injuries or wildfires because of this latest 2013 Spyder fire.

The heat issues seem to be a problem with all years (except 2014) and most models. I had a 2009 originally and now have a 2012. I traded to the 2012 thinking the heat issue wouldn't be as bad as the 2009. I have pics of red marks on my right leg from riding the 2009. I got the 2012 in January and riding it during the winter months was fine, but now that the temps are up, I am having the same heat issues. I can't go riding past 8am.

The service department at my dealer is horrendous. I took the 2012 in 2 weeks after I bought it because it wouldn't down shift itself. They had it for 4 weeks, said they tore everything apart, said they never found a problem and blamed my riding skills. I'm afraid to take it in to complain about heat issues. It won't do any good anyway.

Maybe all of us who have heat issues should file a complaint with the NHTSA? BRP might then be forced to do something about it??

:welcome: Wish you would have posted about your '09s heat problem sooner. We could have helped you have a cooler riding Spyder.

On the GS/RSs, after a while, the original 'Y' gasket burns out. The right one goes first. It's located behind the middle panel by your right leg. If you don't replace it, yeah it gets Real Hot!

Replace both the right and left 'Y' gasket with Honda 18392-MAM-000. Haven't heard of one burning out yet.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?19691-Exhaust-Y-Gasket-replacement&highlight=Wacky+gasket

Is there another dealer you could go to? Even if you have to ride farther, it might be worth the effort.

[Magdave]

Glad your ok first and foremost. The rest has been said....again and again.

So far everyone involved in the fires have been smart, alert and able bodied to get off the fireballs in time. What happens to the person who does not notice whats going on or is one of our disabled riders and can't get off that quick.......BRP rolling the dice.......
Look at my Sig that is what happens.

[Bob Denman]

Your soul is stolen by Nicolas Cage?? :shocked: :D:D:D:D

[Magdave]

Your soul is stolen by Nicolas Cage?? :shocked: :D:D:D:D

:roflblack: Thanks Bob I needed that :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

He DID have a pretty "HOT" ride in that movie! :2thumbs:

[Dizneyman]

First, glad you are OK... but I would be cautious about talking about lawyers and such. Once that conversation is brought up, you will find most manufacturers will just back off and hand it over to their legal group. This can result in long long delays in any settlement or assistance that BRP may have provided or were thinking of provideing. All conversation with you will just stop...

[Bob Denman]

:agree: Lawyers can be a lot like nuclear weapons: You'll sure want one if the other side starts using them...

...But they sure can muck-up the landscape; once the pin has been pulled! :shocked:

[Texmac1011]

Many people own newer models, 2011-2014, and may not realize that the Spyder catching on fire, for whatever reason, is not new.
Search "2008 fire" in the forum and one will see that this has happened on more than one occasion since the bike first came out. The "whys" weren't exactly clear then and probably won't be now.

Safety is #1 and I am glad to hear no one was injured!

[Topshotta]

What for? By the time you know there is a fire and pull over, you need to get away! NOW! Its already too late to save the bike. Don't be a hero.

Agree, unless you carry it in a backpack.

[bmccaffrey]

:agree: Lawyers can be a lot like nuclear weapons: You'll sure want one if the other side starts using them...

...But they sure can muck-up the landscape; once the pin has been pulled! :shocked:

Sooooooooooo true!!!!!!!!!

[billrob71]

Sorry to hear about the bike , glad your alright.

[SpyderAnn01]

Ann, I cannot really disagree with you in this particular instance. BUT, whatever - if anything - is found will most likely be suppressed by settlement, without any admission on the part of BRP that design elements or anything else had anything to do with this event. The blame will be tried to be somehow shifted to the consumer. This is a standard of product liability lawsuits. I had an industrial accident in 1988 that resulted in the amputation of three of the fingers of my left hand. When the case was settled in 1997, there was no admission of wrongdoing, guilt, or design flaw - and this was a term of the settlement - by the defendant, and a gag order was issued by the court as a part of the settlement. So do not be surprised if that happens to be the case here. The unfortunate thing is that big corporations like BRP are perfectly happy to wait you out no matter how long it takes. They retain lawyers that get paid every day to deny, stall, evade, and then offer compensation which may or may not be what the true financial and/or emotional loss is. I can only hope that DatGuy does not have to suffer through such an experience as I had. He was very fortunate indeed to have escaped with his life, as I know that you were. This is the sad state of litigation in this country. The true loser in the end is the consumer who buys something that has an implied and/or explicit warranty, only to find out that there are many loopholes that manufacturers can utilize to escape liability. BRP is not alone in this, and I am not necessarily intimating that this will be the case in this instance. Steve from BRP, if you are following this thread, it might be a good thing to reach out to DatGuy and be proactive in helping to resolve this quickly. I am sure that such action would go a long way in reassuring those of us in the Spyder community that BRP takes its responsibility seriously, and that BRP will do whatever is necessary to make good on the implied promise of safety and reliability not only for DatGuy, but for all of us who own one of the Spyders that have similar problems that have yet to be corrected. Only time will tell.

They reached out to me and I would think that they will reach out to Dat Guy also.

[cyclelover63]

They reached out to me and I would think that they will reach out to Dat Guy also.

Not if he keeps using the "lawyer" word!

[billrob71]

Not if he keeps using the "lawyer" word!


AGREED!!!

[jaherbst]

I too would like to know the mods you performed to deal with the HEAT.

Of the four that have burned up, were all 2013 RT's?

Glad you were not physically hurt. I am sure it scared the hell out of you and you will have some mental adjustments to deal with as any of us would.

Jack

[Yazz]

Many people own newer models, 2011-2014, and may not realize that the Spyder catching on fire, for whatever reason, is not new.
Search "2008 fire" in the forum and one will see that this has happened on more than one occasion since the bike first came out. The "whys" weren't exactly clear then and probably won't be now.

Safety is #1 and I am glad to hear no one was injured!

The "whys" are very clear on the '08 fires. The drain line coming out of the fuel vent canister dripped right onto the exhaust manifold. Thus began the canister-ectomy.

Later, BRP had the drain line re-routed to the front of the Spyder.

Another brilliant engineering feat by BRP engineers!

[ChasCS]

" Originally Posted by jcthorne
What for? By the time you know there is a fire and pull over, you need to get away! NOW! Its already too late to save the bike. Don't be a hero."


Not sure which post that was from?


Agree, unless you carry it in a backpack.

Still believe an ABC ALL PURPOSE unit would handle all needs.

At the very least, I would unzip and spray the fire breathing beast... ;-)
With a force to be reckoned with!! Hahaha
Heck I may just go, still saddled and continue riding Into the Wind.
Even with fire insurance, why let it smoulder?

Seriously though, We need an onboard built in fire extinguisher!!

Was searching just for fun and found this little guy...
Motorcycle and Chainsaw Fire Extinguisher.


This is a small rechargeable dry powder type with a powder weight of 0.36 Kg and a gross weight of 0.45 Kg .It has a diameter of 50mm and is 300 mm long overall. This pressurised unit is of alloy and plastic construction and suitable for small fires in electrical and petroleum based situations ie petrol, plastics and other flammable liquids eg fats . It is a type (BE) powder unit in which the propellant is dry nitrogen gas under pressure. It has a clearly visible pressure gauge to show the internal working pressure . The pressure gauge shows an optimal working pressure with the indicator needle in the green segment. If the needle has fallen back into the red segment the unit is described as non functional and should be taken to a Fire extinguisher maintenance businesses . The unit is small enough to carry permanently on a motorcycle or attached to ones work-belt when using a chainsaw in the forestry environment.








Realistically, this unit has a maximum capacity for a small fire of a certain size so dont expect it to put out a large fire! however with diligent and careful use it should be suitable to successfully battle a small fuel fire ignited by a backfire through the carburettor of a chainsaw or motorcycle. The user should thoroughly familiarise themselves with the instructions on the outside of the vessel. TAKE A FEW SECONDS TO READ THEM BEFORE PULLING THE TRIGGER! . It is important that one regularly check the pressure gauge before you go out on your motorcycle or to the Forestry job, it only takes a second to glance at the pressure gauge. Don't forget to rectify the problem urgently if the pressure gauge shows the unit as faulty !. a "dead" fire extinguisher is as good as useless.


Thankfully commuter motorcycle fires are few and far between, however you don't know where and when they may happen and when they do they are quite alarming. With modern motorcycles having more than an adequate share of highly inflammable plastics, they can become blazing infernos very quickly and the sooner you extinguish the flames the more likely you are to save your large financial investment with minimal damage. $ 35 is cheap security compared to having nothing to fight a small fire .


fire extinguisher $NZ 35.00 inc gst freight extra


Contact:


Pinfold Health Services Ltd., 1172 Arawa St. ,Rotorua , New Zealand


ph +64-7-3488850 (tel:+64-7-3488850) fax +64-7-3486555 (tel:+64-7-3486555) pinfold@xtra.co.nz







Chas

[billrob71]

Where are you gonna store a fire extinguisher , most likely in the frunk , if the bike catches fire and it's a fuel fire I don't think most are gonna have time to stop get off the bike unlock and in the trunk and grab it. By then I would think it would be too late , love my bike but don't think I would risk it. Gas burns quick and gas vapor is even faster, be best to get off quick and get to safety.

[robmorg]

...they admitted a problem when they issued a recall and told people at events a fix (in addition to recal) was coming soon. That was several months ago and not a peep has been heard.:banghead:Was it a recall?
Or a Technical Service Bulletin?It was a Recall for the tinfoil fix Bob.

UPDATE...

I was concerned when I saw this sequence of posts on page 3 of this thread, because I have a 2013 RT and had NOT received a recall notice AND nothing shows up in BUDS about a recall. However, a little "Googling" resolved the "recall" vs. "Warranty Service Bulletin" issue. For those newer owners of 2013 RT's (like me), I thought I'd post my findings and clarify that issue.

First, it was BOTH a recall AND a Warranty Service Bulletin. See links here... NHTSA Recall 13V38600 (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchResults?searchType=ID&targetCategory=R&searchCriteria.nhtsa_ids=13V386000) and BRP Bulletin 2013-8 (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM444249/RCRIT-13V386-3489.pdf) (which I assume was issued as a result of the NHTSA action). The actual "Warranty Bulletin", outlining what was to be done, begins on page 3 of the second link.

The reason I was not aware of this before, even though I bought a 2013 RT, was because the BRP Bulletin that outlined the "fix" was issued two weeks before I bought my bike and it was taken care of by the dealer BEFORE we did the sale. (In mid-September last year, I bought an "end-of-season" demo, that had been used by the dealership owner.)

So, if there are any recent 2013 RT owners who are wondering if this recall has been performed on their Spyder, just check for Warranty Bulletin 2013-8 in BRP records for your serial number, or BUDS.
____________________

Also, FWIW, there has been a more recent Warranty Bulletin 2013-9 (http://www.spydertechnician.com/dlfiles/2013-014%20Spyder%20-%20A,%20B%20&%20C%20Update.pdf) issued in January, 2014, that in part address some of the heat problem with an ECM update. Here is all that the SB says about the ECM update...
B - Update ECM software
Code P1614 may be triggered and cause a limp home mode when starting the engine. The indicator lamp and message HI TEMP may ap-pear at engine startup, even if unit is at normal operating temperature. Engine heat felt by the driver may be uncomfortable.

NOTE: Updating the software may slightly improve riders comfort from heat in some riding conditions. The portion of the update that addresses uncomfortable heat felt by the driver is applicable to non-CARB vehicles only.


I had this update done also, but the dealer was unable to tell me anything more than what is written above. I don't know if it did any good because I can't tell what was supposed to be different after the update. (I never had a code P1614.) I guess they are talking about engine heat coming up around the seat when riding at slow speeds. I can't imagine that an ECM update would do a whole lot to fix the problem, but I could be wrong because I did other heat related "fixes" at the same time. If anyone knows what the ECM update actually changes, and the physical effects of it on heat felt by the driver, please post an explanation.

[robmorg]

I too would like to know the mods you [Dat Guy] performed to deal with the HEAT.

Jack, see post #80 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?70542-2013-RT-Fire-26-July-2014&p=848034&viewfull=1#post848034).

[ChasCS]

Where are you gonna store a fire extinguisher , most likely in the frunk , if the bike catches fire and it's a fuel fire I don't think most are gonna have time to stop get off the bike unlock and in the trunk and grab it. By then I would think it would be too late , love my bike but don't think I would risk it. Gas burns quick and gas vapor is even faster, be best to get off quick and get to safety.


I don't know but with something that small... In a hand made leather sheath on my belt, I only know I would want it to be kept in a very handy location that would always be within hands reach. Perhaps even in a pouch hung around my neck. Or on the bars instead of a Coffee cup or GPS holder. Closer the better.

Chas

[robmorg]

Wow, I know exactly how you feel. In fact last weekend I went past the scene of my fire and saw the scorch mark still on the highway shoulder. Glad you weren't injured. Keep us informed on what you hear from BRP, etc.Ann, Were you ever able to determine exactly what triggered your fire, or was the damage too severe to be able to tell anything? (I assume it was probably the latter, but curious about it just the same.)

[JkRbbt]

I know bringing up lawyers is a quick way to shut down a conversation, but it seems like one way to get a peek BEHIND THE BLUE CURTAIN! :D

[finless]

You guys did watch the video posted earlier here right? They unloaded 3 dry chem extenguishers on the bike and it did nothing to put out the fire. Why? Because it is trapped under the Tupperware. So a little extinguisher is not going to help you. Then watch the video when the gas tank goes up. You want to be standing there with an extenguisher when that happens? I think not!

Bob

[DJFaninTN]

i hear ya Bob. there is no way that a fire extinguisher is going to put that thing out with all that plastic hiding behind it. now if it happened to me I don't think I really want to try to save my bike at that point. even if you could, you'd be chasing gremlin's forever trying to get it to work right.

[ChasCS]

If you can get to the first signs early enough...

Here's another awesome small unit.
http://www.aerostich.com/hawk-fire-extinguishers.html
Hey! Your bikes on fire! Just kidding, but wouldn’t that suck? Cover your assets with this compact device and make sure you keep it readily accessible. The beauty of this extinguisher is that it is NON-CORROSIVE which means that you won’t trash your bike in the process of saving it. The active ingredient is HR-95, a highly effective, biodegradable and non-toxic compound that is safe to use around children and pets and won’t hurt your scoot. HR-95 is not a powder, so you can use part of the contents and the valve will re-seal effectively. Works on class A (ordinary combustibles) and class 
B (flammable liquids) Pressurized peace of mind. 10"×3.5". 10 oz.

Chas

[Vrooom]

Dat guy, considering the trauma of what you experienced, I congratulate you on your well written reporting here on this forum. Your openness benefits all of us. I have no problem with your use of the term "dangerous machine". I imagine feeling the heat from those flames could incite me to say a whole lot worse! Good luck sorting thru the muck this event will generate for you.

[SpyderAnn01]

Of the four that have burned up, were all 2013 RT's?

Jack

Yes, Jack, they were all 2013 RTs.


Ann, Were you ever able to determine exactly what triggered your fire, or was the damage too severe to be able to tell anything? (I assume it was probably the latter, but curious about it just the same.)

My purge valve had malfunctioned (among many other things) and the canister was not replaced just prior to the fire. I would say that mine was caused by the canister melting but the damage was too severe. The recall instructions to the dealers were to wrap the master cylinder, the evap canister and the parking brake. Many people posted pictures of their canisters that had partially melted which reinforced my belief.

[Benggolf]

Sorry to hear about your incident, but glad you made it out unhurt. Machines and be replaced by not a life.
Hope you are able to resolve this case with BRP quickly and be back on a new Spyder soon.
Good luck.

[dndfindley]

I think carrying one is worthless. It's been discussed before and here is an example of it doing nothing. Later watch the gas tank go up!
It's not worth your life to try and put the fire out in my opinion! Get away from it!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RPJOp36ts

Bob

Yeah, but did you see how quick it was extinguished when the fireman turned the hose on it? That's all we need - a big high pressure hose full of water:)

[Questions]

Scary situation with your 2013 Spyder. Glad you survived the incident.

Since I bought my 2011 Spyder RT-S in May 2011, I have never experienced an excessive heat issue.

I also have done nothing about adding block off plates or the like.

[Don in E Texas]

The "whys" are very clear on the '08 fires. The drain line coming out of the fuel vent canister dripped right onto the exhaust manifold. Thus began the canister-ectomy.

Later, BRP had the drain line re-routed to the front of the Spyder.

Another brilliant engineering feat by BRP engineers!

Had an 08 or 09 Spyder catch fire here in E Texas. I saw the bike at my dealer. Fire seemed to be centered under the seat just over the fuel tank. Did not have the canister mod done. On my bike, once I removed the Tupperware on my '08 and saw the fuel hoses, canister, etc. the canister-ectomy made sense. Easy $1.50 fix.

Don

[Rick H.]

First, glad you are OK... but I would be cautious about talking about lawyers and such. Once that conversation is brought up, you will find most manufacturers will just back off and hand it over to their legal group. This can result in long long delays in any settlement or assistance that BRP may have provided or were thinking of provideing. All conversation with you will just stop...

Funny how responsible people can sound completely unresponsible some times. If there is a problem with the 2013's then you have to find out EXACTLY what the problem is before you will go anywhere in court. Once the cat has been let out of the bag by threatening lawsuits and such you are already setting the stage for a presumption that you are being vindictive towards the company and you will have a much larger fight on your hands than you ever envisioned. A good arson investigator should be able to figure out what caused these fires but it will take some work and some money to accomplish that investigation, not speculation and threats about what the manufacturer has or has not done to correct the problem if there is one. Best course of action in these matters is to keep your mouth closed to making threats about lawsuits and such and determine what actually happened, then proceed to court if necessary. Saber rattling does little to help your cause.

Rick

[jaherbst]

Yes, Jack, they were all 2013 RTs.



My purge valve had malfunctioned (among many other things) and the canister was not replaced just prior to the fire. I would say that mine was caused by the canister melting but the damage was too severe. The recall instructions to the dealers were to wrap the master cylinder, the evap canister and the parking brake. Many people posted pictures of their canisters that had partially melted which reinforced my belief.

Well that is disappointing to hear. I like my 2013.

Mine was checked but seemed OK

[robmorg]

My purge valve had malfunctioned (among many other things) and the canister was not replaced just prior to the fire. I would say that mine was caused by the canister melting but the damage was too severe. The recall instructions to the dealers were to wrap the master cylinder, the evap canister and the parking brake. Many people posted pictures of their canisters that had partially melted which reinforced my belief.Thank you, Ann. I believe that is helpful information. As many others have alluded, there is comfort in trying to be proactive in dealing with the ramifications of this 2013 heat problem - especially since BRP is not doing that very quickly, if at all.

[Gundam]

Glad that the rider is ok.... but it spells bad news for us 2013's :spyder2:s owners.... the band aid fix from BRP may or may not have work.... but since I'm half way around the globe from BRP, I have to hasten my installation of additional active cooling systems to my :spyder2:..... voiding any waranty or not!.... and I don't think BRP's arm is long enough to ever reach out to me here!...

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: You certainly ARE in a unique situation over there... :thumbup:
The best of luck to you in your endeavors! :2thumbs:

[oldguyinTX]

Steve, are you following this thread. Someone from BRP should be.

[finless]

Yeah, but did you see how quick it was extinguished when the fireman turned the hose on it? That's all we need - a big high pressure hose full of water:)

My opinion on that is because by now the tupperware was all burned off, gas burned out, and the hose was able to get at the source!

Bob

[Bob Denman]

Send him a PM, with a link to it. Nobody has any way of knowing if he has seen it :shocked:. All that we can do; is try! :thumbup:

[robmorg]

Send him a PM, with a link to it. Nobody has any way of knowing if he has seen it :shocked:. All that we can do; is try! :thumbup:
:agree: but they've most likely seen the thread. I'm sure BRP has a strict gag order on it with respect to comment from any BRP employee or representative. Whether or not they are continuing to work on the 2013 problem, there is absolutely nothing they could say in this thread that would not have the potential of increased risk to corporate liability.

[Bob Denman]

I wouldn't have expected him to post in an open forum about it either...
They would call "Mr. Guy", and get down to business directly...
After all...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cATPLk559XY

[SpyderAnn01]

BRP Care responded here after my fire. But you are right, they probably won't do that again.

[Bob Denman]

Ann,
As a completely unrelated topic...
You have to be well over 100,000 miles in total Spyder seat-time now; aren't you? :dontknow:

[MikeT]

What is the resolution of Dat-Guys meltdown?????????????????

[robmorg]

It only happened two days ago on Saturday. He said he'd update the forum with pertinent information when that occurs.

[jerpinoy]

Glad you're ok physically, what about mentally? BRP should recall all 2013"s and take them all out of all hands and just replace them with 2014 before worst thing will happen.

Trying to fix 2013 heat issues proves its not enough. Get rid of them.

This last fire is the real canary. My friends who own 2013 make your smart decision and good luck.

[Tazzel]

BRP acknologying anything implies guilt/responsibility. Either way BRP loses, do they repair/replace 2013's or do they payoff potential lawsuits. So they will do nothing and ride the train as long as they can to see where it ends ends up and hope their deep pockets outlasts the other guys.

[MikeT]

This is what happens when PROFIT becomes the god, and the customer becomes the PAWN in the game. Seems like this the prevailing attitude in business today.
No one can tell me that BRP didn't know that there was a high likelyhood of a fire producing fuel issue in certain '08-'13 models. Let's not forget the poor chap somewhere on this forum that is having issues with his 622 eating tires, and BRP's reluctance to "do the right thing". Instead he is being made to jump thru many hoops. What about the rear tires on the 1330s?
I've been lurking around here for a little over a year trying to gather information about the RTs knowing full well that I was facing a complicated reconstructive surgery on my left hand/wrist and forearm which could curtail my riding because of not being able to operate the clutch for an extended trip post rehab. I had that surgery on May 16th, and have been on STD since.
I've only known ONE person that BRP responded to in a "timely"and appropriate fashion when her '13 RT model went up in flames. That's ONE out of how many? Is it possible that BRP makes people sign non-disclosure agreements when they receive replacement products,, or compensation and so "we" never find out about their good deeds here?
Just based on the stories I have read, I've come to the conclusion that BRP is way too much of a customer insensitive company for my liking. I'll figure out how to operate my clutch on my current ride, or give up riding all together.
Mike

[SpyderAnn01]

This is what happens when PROFIT becomes the god, and the customer becomes the PAWN in the game. Seems like this the prevailing attitude in business today.
No one can tell me that BRP didn't know that there was a high likelyhood of a fire producing fuel issue in certain '08-'13 models. Let's not forget the poor chap somewhere on this forum that is having issues with his 622 eating tires, and BRP's reluctance to "do the right thing". Instead he is being made to jump thru many hoops. What about the rear tires on the 1330s?
I've been lurking around here for a little over a year trying to gather information about the RTs knowing full well that I was facing a complicated reconstructive surgery on my left hand/wrist and forearm which could curtail my riding because of not being able to operate the clutch for an extended trip post rehab. I had that surgery on May 16th, and have been on STD since.
I've only known ONE person that BRP responded to in a "timely"and appropriate fashion when her '13 RT model went up in flames. That's ONE out of how many? Is it possible that BRP makes people sign non-disclosure agreements when they receive replacement products,, or compensation and so "we" never find out about their good deeds here?
Just based on the stories I have read, I've come to the conclusion that BRP is way too much of a customer insensitive company for my liking. I'll figure out how to operate my clutch on my current ride, or give up riding all together.
Mike

Mike, I think that is pretty drastic giving up riding all together because you think BRP might be insensitive to its customers. And just to set the record straight it is a woman who is having issues with the trailer tires on her RT622.

[ARtraveler]

This is what happens when PROFIT becomes the god, and the customer becomes the PAWN in the game. Seems like this the prevailing attitude in business today.
No one can tell me that BRP didn't know that there was a high likelyhood of a fire producing fuel issue in certain '08-'13 models. Let's not forget the poor chap somewhere on this forum that is having issues with his 622 eating tires, and BRP's reluctance to "do the right thing". Instead he is being made to jump thru many hoops. What about the rear tires on the 1330s?
I've been lurking around here for a little over a year trying to gather information about the RTs knowing full well that I was facing a complicated reconstructive surgery on my left hand/wrist and forearm which could curtail my riding because of not being able to operate the clutch for an extended trip post rehab. I had that surgery on May 16th, and have been on STD since.
I've only known ONE person that BRP responded to in a "timely"and appropriate fashion when her '13 RT model went up in flames. That's ONE out of how many? Is it possible that BRP makes people sign non-disclosure agreements when they receive replacement products,, or compensation and so "we" never find out about their good deeds here?
Just based on the stories I have read, I've come to the conclusion that BRP is way too much of a customer insensitive company for my liking. I'll figure out how to operate my clutch on my current ride, or give up riding all together.
Mike

There has been an issue with four or so fires on the 2013's. I also recall two or three fires posted on 2008-2009 models. Out of the thousands of :spyder2:'s on the road--I don't think that is an indicator of an endemic problem with the whole line. I am thinking ten fires out of the whole line compared to 50,000 or so :ani29:'s on the road.

I have owned 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and now 2014. Never had heating issues or fires in over 100,000 combined miles.

On issues like this, yes, BRP is going to move slow. This is one reason most people carry full insurance coverage. You cannot expect BRP to take in everyone's 2013 and give them a 2014 because a fire "may" happen. I almost bought a 2013 but when the "issues" started cropping up, I declined.

Those that are expecting a million dollars for pain and suffering for a bike that burned to the ground, are most likely not going to get it. Fortunately, we have not had to factor in grave injuries to either a driver or a passenger. Insurance is never going to cover a burned :ani29: fully, because they look at "current value" not what you paid for it plus accessories.

Companies like BRP do not go public with their settlements in situations like this. That is just the way it goes in today's world.
I did not let the "issues" with 2013 scare me off of my :spyder2: purchase this year.

Any vehicle you purchase can have defects and issues that cause things like fires or accidents. Will you be one of the unlucky ones? That is the $64,000 question.

[mxz600]

Glad the OP is OK. That is some scary stuff. I hope BRP can figure these fires out but I do know they're not just sitting on their hands hoping it just goes away.

And another thing. Is it my imagination or do people hold BRP to a higher standard then say GM or Toyota. Both of those large corporations tried to cover up defects that directly led to deaths, but their sales just keep rolling along like nothing happened.

[Bob Denman]

Mike T,
The last time I checked; folks rarely go into business for the good of society, or to help their fellow man...
Even the folks that "work the line", aren't doing it for the sole purpose of providing a necessary product that'll make this a better World...
Everybody is in it for the money...

Do you; or did you, work for free? :dontknow:
Probably not. :D

As a businessowner; I sometimes find myself biting my lower lip when I hear of evil corporations trying to make money... :yikes:
Shoot: I've got my own little "Corporate Thatched-Hut" up here, and I wiould love to find a way to increase my revenues.
I'm not an evil person...Well; maybe a bit immoral and childish.. but never intentionally evil...
:lecturef_smilie: Capitalism puts food on the tables of everybody in this Country; they create the jobs, they take the risks, and they always seem to get it in the neck from folks who would rather try to tear them down. :gaah:

Whew... I feel better now; back off the soapbox! :D

[PrairieSpyder]

Mike T,
The last time I checked; folks rarely go into business for the good of society, or to help their fellow man...
Even the folks that "work the line", aren't doing it for the sole purpose of providing a necessary product that'll make this a better World...
Everybody is in it for the money...

Do you; or did you, work for free? :dontknow:
Probably not. :D

As a businessowner; I sometimes find myself biting my lower lip when I hear of evil corporations trying to make money... :yikes:
Shoot: I've got my own little "Corporate Thatched-Hut" up here, and I wiould love to find a way to increase my revenues.
I'm not an evil person...Well; maybe a bit immoral and childish.. but never intentionally evil...
:lecturef_smilie: Capitalism puts food on the tables of everybody in this Country; they create the jobs, they take the risks, and they always seem to get it in the neck from folks who would rather try to tear them down. :gaah:

Whew... I feel better now; back off the soapbox! :D

:agree: What he said!

[robmorg]

:agree: with Patti, who agrees with Bob! Plus, every year BRP puts out better products than they did the year before. Not many companies do that with such regularity. That's not to say that they shouldn't continue to find resolutions to the 2013 RT problem. But I don't think that they are the money grabbling company your post implies. ...and PROFIT is not a dirty word.

[NZSpyderRyder]

10 fires in 50,000.
ONE FIRE IS TO MANY

[ARtraveler]

10 fires in 50,000.
ONE FIRE IS TO MANY

As long as your quoting from my post above which had many details in it--I also said:

"Any vehicle you purchase can have defects and issues that cause things like fires or accidents. Will you be one of the unlucky ones? That is the $64,000 question."


One accident is also to many. They do happen though.

[jaherbst]

Mike T,
The last time I checked; folks rarely go into business for the good of society, or to help their fellow man...
Even the folks that "work the line", aren't doing it for the sole purpose of providing a necessary product that'll make this a better World...
Everybody is in it for the money...

Do you; or did you, work for free? :dontknow:
Probably not. :D

As a businessowner; I sometimes find myself biting my lower lip when I hear of evil corporations trying to make money... :yikes:
Shoot: I've got my own little "Corporate Thatched-Hut" up here, and I wiould love to find a way to increase my revenues.
I'm not an evil person...Well; maybe a bit immoral and childish.. but never intentionally evil...
:lecturef_smilie: Capitalism puts food on the tables of everybody in this Country; they create the jobs, they take the risks, and they always seem to get it in the neck from folks who would rather try to tear them down. :gaah:

Whew... I feel better now; back off the soapbox! :D

Careful getting down off that soapbox Bob, you might hurt yourself. Yes unfortunately the whole world is run by greed and the "GOD ALMIGHTY DOLLAR" or Yen-Ruble-wan etc. After Flying all over the world for a major Airline for 35 years I found out it is the same where ever you go no matter what country your in or who you are dealing with. You buy your ticket and you take your chances. I especially like the life time warranties. Most companies are in business a few years and never to be heard from again.

I am 99% sure BRP will not fix this problem but R&D it out of future products. Not all 2013 owners are affected anymore than 2010-2012 years. There are a lot of 2013's on the road with no problems and few complaints. My philosophy is and always has been "make the best with what you've got". Or "Dance with the one you brought".

In all reality, it is cheaper for BRP or any other corporation to stall and settle for pennies on the dollar on the few fires that occur rather than fix the whole fleet. Cost of four RT-S =$100,000 Vs cost of approximately 10,000 2013 RT-S = $250,000,000. Well you can do the math an figure the board decision. I do not like it, you do not like it, but that is pretty much how it is. I have served on several large boards and it is always the bottom line that rules.

Back to the subject at hand, I do feel that BRP will handle each case as it comes whether you or we feel it is fair. I do hope no one is seriously hurt or injured in any of this. If so it would be a turning point for Federal help to assist.

BRP is one of the worlds largest corporations and they got there by being the "Big Company with the Small Heart" as did most large corporations. I worked for one for 35 years.

Somebody help me. I have fallen off the "soap box" and can't get up!

Jack

[Magdave]

The thing that bothers me most was I really hoped this was behind us. Sure the hot foot is no fun but not a possible death sentence. I have not told my wife about this since she talked me into buying one but every time I start it up now I wonder if this is the day. Yes it could be cager hit me day but I have a little control over that with situation awareness and gear. But when a company says they have a new and different fix coming out at events to help or solve a problem they KNOW about and created and say and do nothing that really irks me. They took my money while telling me the 13 was a new and improved model. They have pretty much ignored my calls with "take it to the dealer that we do not control or can assure they know anything about the product and we won't give you any information just them" Well that is just so wrong on so many levels to me. I will never feel at ease ever riding this again. For those that say sell it and take a loss well that loss puts me in a position in my retirement that destroys what little savings I had left so it is not an option. I have texted BRP Steve never got a return. Never received any follow up to any calls to customer service and case numbers and my dealer has turned over their service dept 3 times since I bought it. I just do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about this at all with only 3k miles on the bike.:dontknow: Well maybe "Warm and fuzzy" is the wrong way to describe my feelings considering.

[SpyderAnn01]

MagDave have you filed a complaint with the NHTSA? I don't know if it will help your case or not but I don't think it would hurt. I filed a complaint after my fire and never heard a word from NHTSA but there is a woman who has actually been contacted by them about her complaint.

[finless]

MagDave have you filed a complaint with the NHTSA? I don't know if it will help your case or not but I don't think it would hurt. I filed a complaint after my fire and never heard a word from NHTSA but there is a woman who has actually been contacted by them about her complaint.

I checked the NHTSA site today and this fire is not reported. It would be a shame if it was not filed. I see many others about heat. Frankly if you read what has been reported for a spyder 2013, it's pretty bad reporting. More like complaints than actual data and facts. I read through all of them today. If I was the NHTSA most of those would be filed in the bin as not issues to be looked at. Sorry to say this but the reporting (other than a few) is just not at a quality level based on what I saw :(

Bob

[finless]

FYI if you want to read what has been filed, the site is hard to locate that.

What you do is go to:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml

On the left menu is "Search for recalls, complaints, and Investigations".
Click it.

In the middle menu is a pull down for model year. I selected 2013.
Next pull down menu is make. I selected Can-AM
3rd pull down menu is lists a few choices. I selected Spyder RT.

Then click the GO button.

At the simi top of the main display area are tabs. It shows recalls first. Click on the complaints tab.

It will lest them all.. You can go through about 5 pages.

Hope this helps people see what has been reported. The site is VERY HARD to find this on and I spent quite a bit of time finding it.

Bob

[SpyderAnn01]

I checked the NHTSA site today and this fire is not reported. It would be a shame if it was not filed. I see many others about heat. Frankly if you read what has been reported for a spyder 2013, it's pretty bad reporting. More like complaints than actual data and facts. I read through all of them today. If I was the NHTSA most of those would be filed in the bin as not issues to be looked at. Sorry to say this but the reporting (other than a few) is just not at a quality level based on what I saw :(

Bob

Bob, my fire is definitely on there it is under 2013 Can Am Spyder with no model # http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchDetails (edited the link does not work) it does not include everything that I entered in the complaint though. I certainly thought that I would be contacted but never was.

[ARtraveler]

The thing that bothers me most was I really hoped this was behind us. Sure the hot foot is no fun but not a possible death sentence. I have not told my wife about this since she talked me into buying one but every time I start it up now I wonder if this is the day. Yes it could be cager hit me day but I have a little control over that with situation awareness and gear. But when a company says they have a new and different fix coming out at events to help or solve a problem they KNOW about and created and say and do nothing that really irks me. They took my money while telling me the 13 was a new and improved model. They have pretty much ignored my calls with "take it to the dealer that we do not control or can assure they know anything about the product and we won't give you any information just them" Well that is just so wrong on so many levels to me. I will never feel at ease ever riding this again. For those that say sell it and take a loss well that loss puts me in a position in my retirement that destroys what little savings I had left so it is not an option. I have texted BRP Steve never got a return. Never received any follow up to any calls to customer service and case numbers and my dealer has turned over their service dept 3 times since I bought it. I just do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about this at all with only 3k miles on the bike.:dontknow: Well maybe "Warm and fuzzy" is the wrong way to describe my feelings considering.

You state many valid points Dave. I am also dismayed about lack of contact with consumers who have tried to file cases, or problems that have not been resolved by dealers. If they have adopted a "it will go away and be forgotten some day" attitude, that does not bode well. I honestly have believed and felt that customer relations took a turn for the better in the last few months. The latest issue with another 2013 fire has brought out some bad stuff again. We are early into this incident, and realistically, I do not think we can call BRP lax at this point in time. Many are watching this and how it is handled by BRP.

[finless]

Bob, my fire is definitely on there it is under 2013 Can Am Spyder with no model # http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchDetails (edited the link does not work) it does not include everything that I entered in the complaint though. I certainly thought that I would be contacted but never was.

Yes Ann, I saw yours or at least thought it was yours as yours in the ONLY ONE that selected FIRE. Meaning you had a fire.
So yes I am pretty sure I saw yours. But where are the others? Sad to see not a single one of the 5 we know about reported except yours :(

People on SL here expecting things to be done and not doing anything to help themselves.... shame....

Bob

[SpyderAnn01]

FYI if you want to read what has been filed, the site is hard to locate that.

What you do is go to:

https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/index.xhtml

On the left menu is "Search for recalls, complaints, and Investigations".
Click it.

In the middle menu is a pull down for model year. I selected 2013.
Next pull down menu is make. I selected Can-AM
3rd pull down menu is lists a few choices. I selected Spyder RT.

Then click the GO button.

At the simi top of the main display area are tabs. It shows recalls first. Click on the complaints tab.

It will lest them all.. You can go through about 5 pages.

Hope this helps people see what has been reported. The site is VERY HARD to find this on and I spent quite a bit of time finding it.

Bob

Bob, leave out the RT and you will get all of the complaints. It is funny, yesterday I went on the site and they asked me if I wanted to take a survey about my visit on the site. I let them know just how difficult it is to navigate. Today I went back and signed up for email notifications so we will see who else enters their experiences.

[SpyderAnn01]

Yes Ann, I saw yours or at least thought it was yours as yours in the ONLY ONE that selected FIRE. Meaning you had a fire.
So yes I am pretty sure I saw yours. But where are the others? Sad to see not a single one of the 5 we know about reported except yours :(

People on SL here expecting things to be done and not doing anything to help themselves.... shame....

Bob

Bob, you won't see the one from the Demo Event and the one that happened the week before me was in Canada (I think I saw it reported on their equivalent agency) the guy in TX must not have entered his and I don't think you would see Dat Guy's this quickly. The guy in TX had not had the recall work done - he posted on FB that he Googled Spyder fires and that is how he found out about the recall. :yikes:

[finless]

OK Ann I got yea but based on all the complaints here on SL you would think there would be a crap load more of filed complaints on NHTSA than there are. And 50% of those are not very well written and sound more like dealer complaints.

That's all I am saying. If this issue is that big, the filed complaints is probably "noise" to the NHTSA based on what is in the database right now.

I am NOT trying to start a campaign of filings or anything like that! I have no complaints so it wont be me!

Just pointing out if you want your tax dollars to help you, and this is an issue YOU have problems with, then use the system! The little that is there now is not going to DRIVE the NHTSA to do anything in my opinion... It's 2 dozen! that's about it...

Bob

[Magdave]

MagDave have you filed a complaint with the NHTSA? I don't know if it will help your case or not but I don't think it would hurt. I filed a complaint after my fire and never heard a word from NHTSA but there is a woman who has actually been contacted by them about her complaint.

Yes I did Ann I mentioned the dripping gas and fire hazard it creates .

"I HAVE HAD THE PREVIOUS RECALL DONE AND THE BIKE IS STILL DRIPPING GAS IN MY GARAGE FROM THE EVAP OVERFLOW LINE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR MONTHS AND THERE ARE MANY REPORTS OF THIS HAPPENING EVEN AFTER THE RECALL INSULATION. IT IS A FIRE HAZARD. *TR "

[finless]

Yes I did Ann I mentioned the dripping gas and fire hazard it creates .

Pretty sure I saw yours too Dave about dripping gas in the garage floor. That was one of the better written complaints I saw.

Bob

[robmorg]

Dave,

While I have not followed your entire case in your posts, from what you just described, I would say that you are justified in feeling the way you do. After reading your last post, would I be correct to assume that with you it's not just the heat? Are you getting the gas fumes, the boiling gas, and/or the overflowing evaporator canister as well? [I see this is correct - after posting this, I just read your response to Ann.]

If so, and you've tried everything possible, perhaps the time has come to force their hand with a call to NHTSA and by taking some legal action - especially if your Spyder is still under warranty. First, though, I would sit down and have a conversation with the owner of your dealership and explain your feelings. You cannot talk to BRP face to face, but you CAN do that with the dealer, even if you don't necessarily trust them. Tell him/her everything that you just said in that post, and that the last thing you want, is to oppose them litigiously, but you simply don't know where else to go with the problem. If he tells you that the dealership is powerless with BRP, tell him that BRP as advised you of the exact opposite - that you MUST deal with the dealer. Tell him that the reason you requested the meeting is in the hope that they WILL resolve the issues for you so that both of you can avoid the pain and additional expense of litigation. Have this conversation only with the owner, and only in private or with one other person in attendance. No one else will care, and the owner, if he's worth his salt, will understand your point of view - especially if you are gracious about it, insistent, but not raising your voice, etc. If the dealer seems insulted, ask him to put himself in your shoes - what would he do. (From reading your posts for a short time, I think you'll have no problem presenting your story clearly and civilly.)

The owner's response will tell you what you need to do. An attorney would likely recommend taking action against both the dealer and BRP. Find an attorney who will take the case on a contingency basis. Litigation will probably mean that, even if you get resolution, you will have to eventually find a different dealer. But if they back you into a corner, you've got no choice. The status-quo doesn't seem to be working for you.

Good luck with your dilemma.

[Dat Guy]

Carlo from BRP contacted me today and asked me to send him info and pics. I had not previously tried to reach them so they obviously monitor this website. I also got a call from the nearest BRP dealer near me (Coyne) with their service rep Kyle asking what happened and if I was ok (which was nice), so I believe they read this site too. Nothing further than that has been done so far.

They are watching this forum and they reached out to me first. That's a good start. We'll see where it goes from there.

[robmorg]

I'd say that is a VERY good start.

[Dat Guy]

I'll do my best to give them any info I can. I really hope this issue can be identified and fixed before someone else loses their Spyder. I'm already trying to accept the fact that I've probably lost a lot of money on the add-ons I bought for it. Aside from the heat and fumes we did have fun riding it and I spent a lot of time making the Spyder my own. I guess one of the reasons I'm so upset about this is that even though it gave me a lot of problems, at the same time it felt like it was really mine and I was proud of it.

Anyway, I'll post more when I have it to give.

[finless]

Carlo from BRP contacted me today and asked me to send him info and pics. I had not previously tried to reach them so they obviously monitor this website. I also got a call from the nearest BRP dealer near me (Coyne) with their service rep Kyle asking what happened and if I was ok (which was nice), so I believe they read this site too. Nothing further than that has been done so far.

They are watching this forum and they reached out to me first. That's a good start. We'll see where it goes from there.

Cool! Glad to hear that! Awesome start! :)

But have you reported the incident to the NHTSA? I don't see it in the list of user complaints so far.
You might be taken care of but for the better good of others that might be there too, you should.

Bob

[Magdave]

But have you reported the incident to the NHTSA? I don't see it in the list of user complaints so far.
You might be taken care of but for the better good of others that might be there too, you should.

Bob

:agree: I agree do it for those of us who have been ignored long enough. :thumbup: I am sure there are double or triple the complaints out there that people do not know how to file with NHTSA.I do not want to be the next one posting pics like yours :yikes:

[Magdave]

Dave,

While I have not followed your entire case in your posts, from what you just described, I would say that you are justified in feeling the way you do. After reading your last post, would I be correct to assume that with you it's not just the heat? Are you getting the gas fumes, the boiling gas, and/or the overflowing evaporator canister as well? [I see this is correct - after posting this, I just read your response to Ann.]

If so, and you've tried everything possible, perhaps the time has come to force their hand with a call to NHTSA and by taking some legal action - especially if your Spyder is still under warranty. First, though, I would sit down and have a conversation with the owner of your dealership and explain your feelings. You cannot talk to BRP face to face, but you CAN do that with the dealer, even if you don't necessarily trust them. Tell him/her everything that you just said in that post, and that the last thing you want, is to oppose them litigiously, but you simply don't know where else to go with the problem. If he tells you that the dealership is powerless with BRP, tell him that BRP as advised you of the exact opposite - that you MUST deal with the dealer. Tell him that the reason you requested the meeting is in the hope that they WILL resolve the issues for you so that both of you can avoid the pain and additional expense of litigation. Have this conversation only with the owner, and only in private or with one other person in attendance. No one else will care, and the owner, if he's worth his salt, will understand your point of view - especially if you are gracious about it, insistent, but not raising your voice, etc. If the dealer seems insulted, ask him to put himself in your shoes - what would he do. (From reading your posts for a short time, I think you'll have no problem presenting your story clearly and civilly.)

The owner's response will tell you what you need to do. An attorney would likely recommend taking action against both the dealer and BRP. Find an attorney who will take the case on a contingency basis. Litigation will probably mean that, even if you get resolution, you will have to eventually find a different dealer. But if they back you into a corner, you've got no choice. The status-quo doesn't seem to be working for you.

Good luck with your dilemma.

The owners response to another member here on the forum when he asked if they had "certified" BRP techs and where were their certificates was " I you don't like it here take your bike somewhere else." This was a guy down here in MB from NY I gave him another dealer to go to 2hrs away and he had all kinds off issues he was leaking a qt of oil every 500mi among them and the second dealer treated him right. So how do you think my conversation with the selling dealer would go. I doubt he even informed BRP of my complaints even though the techs said they did.:dontknow: No lemon laws in SC either I just want to ride and feel safe with my wife. We want to go cross country but I will not ride farther than 1hr from a dealer. I really do not know what to do right now. It sure looks pretty sitting in my garage and runs fine below 70deg though. :thumbup:

[Jeriatric]

The sad reality is. The first thirteens will soon have been on the road one year. BRP offered their fix, which may work for most. It is likely they have made a decision to deal with any further issues on a case by case basis(unless a government agency steps in). In the long run....it's much less costly for them. I say this in part based on how they refused to address RT heat issues and canister overflow problems, pre 2013. Talking RT's here. Not RS' s or even ST's for that matter.

[finless]

I bet something. Dat Guy may get taken care of by BRP but it will be an identical replacement of a 2013 from dealer stock!
Ann's case was so early on the dealer issue of having so many 2013's they may never sell was not thought of then.
Dat Guy has dealers all over this area holding 2013's they may never sell. My bet is this is how it goes down.

Identical replacement! That's my bet.....

Bob

[PMK]

Sorry, but I did not read every post. So if this repeats someone or others, I appologize.

BRP may or may not have tested this issue in their Palm Bay test facility. I would hope they have already visited the site or are there now, boiling fuel or whatever and finding a real fix for all.

The ability to test in private, and summer in South Central Florida should be warm enough.

BRP will probably gather facts, remain quiet and let their engineers have meetings and work on the issue. I doubt they will post updates and next you see will be a service bulletin, then maybe a mandatory recall.

The likelyhood of replacing all affected units is nil. A better compliance method is probable. The few burned Spyders being replaced I don't know, but BRP out of pocket is not a lot in the percentage game of dollars. I would suspect the internet is not BRP's friend at the moment, so no doubt they are planning their damage control to some extent. There is nothing left to buy back and sort out from this incident.

Had this happened in city traffic with serious injuries to not only the Spyder and it's rider or riders this would be huge on the news for a bit. That fire was probably intense enough that it would have ruined vehicles around that stationary, possibly setting them on fire also.

All the best with it, and I would possibly not send photos or talk to BRP at this time. First see what insurance will do. My not hurt to bring in a lawyer worthy of all factors. I hate to say it, but if BRP is not willing to learn from their past then give them a glimpse of what the future holds.

PK

[PMK]

I bet something. Dat Guy may get taken care of by BRP but it will be an identical replacement of a 2013 from dealer stock!
Ann's case was so early on the dealer issue of having so many 2013's they may never sell was not thought of then.
Dat Guy has dealers all over this area holding 2013's they may never sell. My bet is this is how it goes down.

Identical replacement! That's my bet.....

Bob

Not a smart move, if possible he should get a model or two levels up if possible to help overcome additional loses. As you mentioned their are units out there brand new. This deal though would have me thinking long and hard since the fires still could exist.

PK

[Bob Denman]

Careful getting down off that soapbox Bob, you might hurt yourself. Yes unfortunately the whole world is run by greed and the "GOD ALMIGHTY DOLLAR" or Yen-Ruble-wan etc. After Flying all over the world for a major Airline for 35 years I found out it is the same where ever you go no matter what country your in or who you are dealing with. You buy your ticket and you take your chances. I especially like the life time warranties. Most companies are in business a few years and never to be heard from again.

I am 99% sure BRP will not fix this problem but R&D it out of future products. Not all 2013 owners are affected anymore than 2010-2012 years. There are a lot of 2013's on the road with no problems and few complaints. My philosophy is and always has been "make the best with what you've got". Or "Dance with the one you brought".

In all reality, it is cheaper for BRP or any other corporation to stall and settle for pennies on the dollar on the few fires that occur rather than fix the whole fleet. Cost of four RT-S =$100,000 Vs cost of approximately 10,000 2013 RT-S = $250,000,000. Well you can do the math an figure the board decision. I do not like it, you do not like it, but that is pretty much how it is. I have served on several large boards and it is always the bottom line that rules.

Back to the subject at hand, I do feel that BRP will handle each case as it comes whether you or we feel it is fair. I do hope no one is seriously hurt or injured in any of this. If so it would be a turning point for Federal help to assist.

BRP is one of the worlds largest corporations and they got there by being the "Big Company with the Small Heart" as did most large corporations. I worked for one for 35 years.

Somebody help me. I have fallen off the "soap box" and can't get up!

Jack
Hi Jack!
I'm curious... :shocked:
Would you have voluntarily worked harder; for less money? :dontknow:

[Vidman]

OldGuy it is unlikely that the remains of his Spyder will tell much. I know mine was even more completely burned than DatGuys.

Anne, please do not take this as an assault on you or your opinion.

I believe they can find the cause of your fire and others.

An example of skills: We lost our house to a fire last July. The insurance company hired a fire investigator for the purpose of hopefully getting another company to help pay for the rebuild. The investigator and the forensic engineer found the cause to be a 40 year old fan. They found two VERY SMALL (emphasis not yelling) wires that had shorted. This fan was total toast and to find this was amazing to me. BTW, a melted Sony Play Station was operated on by the investigator. His skill was like a surgeon. He got down to minuscule wires to determine it was NOT the cause. I was amazed at the skills these people have.

My purpose for posting this is solely to show.....Where there is a will there is a way. I would be surprised that the same investigation techniques were not performed on these fires. Perhaps NHTSA will do them.

A lesson to be learned in this matter......Bigger companies have fallen then BRP. The most recent example is GM and Toyota. Thankfully no one has died in these situations.

[robmorg]

The owners response to another member here on the forum when he asked if they had "certified" BRP techs and where were their certificates was " I you don't like it here take your bike somewhere else." This was a guy down here in MB from NY I gave him another dealer to go to 2hrs away and he had all kinds off issues he was leaking a qt of oil every 500mi among them and the second dealer treated him right. So how do you think my conversation with the selling dealer would go. I doubt he even informed BRP of my complaints even though the techs said they did.:dontknow: No lemon laws in SC either I just want to ride and feel safe with my wife. We want to go cross country but I will not ride farther than 1hr from a dealer. I really do not know what to do right now. It sure looks pretty sitting in my garage and runs fine below 70deg though. :thumbup:

Dave,

I'm sure you've given this thing a LOT of thought, and you don't need anyone telling you what to do. So I'm just going to say three more [short] things and then I'll shut up about it - I promise

1. Don't let that the example you cited sway your mind. The fellow probably went in there with a "NY Attitude" (or at least that's the way the dealer saw it), and you KNOW that does not work very well in SC. (Heck, if I owned the shop and some guy implied that my people didn't know crap by asking where their BRP certifications were, I'd have been tempted to throw him out too.)

2. Sounds like you've got an uncaring selling dealer or maybe one with minimum integrity. Either way, he's using people. That's why I said in my earlier post, "even if you don't necessarily trust them". You paid your money. You don't need to put up with that.

3. Every 2013 RT owner has heat problems, but that's as far as it goes with most of us. (I've pretty much resolved mine by throwing a little money at it, as I've just posted in the RT forum.) BUT you've got something else going on that can and should be fixed by BRP. Having paid a lot of money for your 2013 RT, you owe it to yourself to force someone to make it right so that you can enjoy it. You should be able to make that cross-country trip with your wife.


Just follow the advice of Larry the Cable Guy... Git-r-Done! :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

"Anne, please do not take this as an assault on you or your opinion.

I believe they can find the cause of your fire and others.

An example of skills: We lost our house to a fire last July. The insurance company hired a fire investigator for the purpose of hopefully getting another company to help pay for the rebuild. The investigator and the forensic engineer found the cause to be a 40 year old fan. They found two VERY SMALL (emphasis not yelling) wires that had shorted. This fan was total toast and to find this was amazing to me. BTW, a melted Sony Play Station was operated on by the investigator. His skill was like a surgeon. He got down to minuscule wires to determine it was NOT the cause. I was amazed at the skills these people have.

My purpose for posting this is solely to show.....Where there is a will there is a way. I would be surprised that the same investigation techniques were not performed on these fires. Perhaps NHTSA will do them.

A lesson to be learned in this matter......Bigger companies have fallen then BRP. The most recent example is GM and Toyota. Thankfully no one has died in these situations."




9227792278 Where would you have suggested that they start? :dontknow:
I've spoken with arson investigators many times over the years; this would have been a really tough nut to crack... :shocked:
Obviously; not much can be learned by the uninitiated from only two pictures...
The fire started from a central location on the bike, and spread pretty evenly across the combustible surfaces.
But you already knew that!
Investigating a fire in a home is much easier; there simply is a lot more left after the conflagration has been extinguished.

[JkRbbt]

Hi Jack!
I'm curious... :shocked:
Would you have voluntarily worked harder; for less money? :dontknow:

I, too, worked for a major air carrier for nearly 30 yrs. I understand Jack's point about major corporations. I think that was his point. What's yours? :dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

Careful getting down off that soapbox Bob, you might hurt yourself. Yes unfortunately the whole world is run by greed and the "GOD ALMIGHTY DOLLAR" or Yen-Ruble-wan etc. After Flying all over the world for a major Airline for 35 years I found out it is the same where ever you go no matter what country your in or who you are dealing with. You buy your ticket and you take your chances. I especially like the life time warranties. Most companies are in business a few years and never to be heard from again.

I am 99% sure BRP will not fix this problem but R&D it out of future products. Not all 2013 owners are affected anymore than 2010-2012 years. There are a lot of 2013's on the road with no problems and few complaints. My philosophy is and always has been "make the best with what you've got". Or "Dance with the one you brought".

In all reality, it is cheaper for BRP or any other corporation to stall and settle for pennies on the dollar on the few fires that occur rather than fix the whole fleet. Cost of four RT-S =$100,000 Vs cost of approximately 10,000 2013 RT-S = $250,000,000. Well you can do the math an figure the board decision. I do not like it, you do not like it, but that is pretty much how it is. I have served on several large boards and it is always the bottom line that rules.

Back to the subject at hand, I do feel that BRP will handle each case as it comes whether you or we feel it is fair. I do hope no one is seriously hurt or injured in any of this. If so it would be a turning point for Federal help to assist.

BRP is one of the worlds largest corporations and they got there by being the "Big Company with the Small Heart" as did most large corporations. I worked for one for 35 years.

Somebody help me. I have fallen off the "soap box" and can't get up!

Jack

Please tell me where he made his point; I don't see it. :dontknow:

:lecturef_smilie: If you actually go back and read my original post on the topic; my point is rather clear.

EDIT: PM sent with my post...

[Jeriatric]

"Anne, please do not take this as an assault on you or your opinion.

I believe they can find the cause of your fire and others.

An example of skills: We lost our house to a fire last July. The insurance company hired a fire investigator for the purpose of hopefully getting another company to help pay for the rebuild. The investigator and the forensic engineer found the cause to be a 40 year old fan. They found two VERY SMALL (emphasis not yelling) wires that had shorted. This fan was total toast and to find this was amazing to me. BTW, a melted Sony Play Station was operated on by the investigator. His skill was like a surgeon. He got down to minuscule wires to determine it was NOT the cause. I was amazed at the skills these people have.

My purpose for posting this is solely to show.....Where there is a will there is a way. I would be surprised that the same investigation techniques were not performed on these fires. Perhaps NHTSA will do them.

A lesson to be learned in this matter......Bigger companies have fallen then BRP. The most recent example is GM and Toyota. Thankfully no one has died in these situations."




9227792278 Where would you have suggested that they start? :dontknow:
I've spoken with arson investigators many times over the years; this would have been a really tough nut to crack... :shocked:
Obviously; not much can be learned by the uninitiated from only two pictures...
The fire started from a central location on the bike, and spread pretty evenly across the combustible surfaces.
But you already knew that!
Investigating a fire in a home is much easier; there simply is a lot more left after the conflagration has been extinguished.

One need not look back any further than Chevy's Corvair to understand why some burn. Design flaws and inadequate ancillary parts.

[jaherbst]

Hi Jack!
I'm curious... :shocked:
Would you have voluntarily worked harder; for less money? :dontknow:

My Airline Pilots union says NO. Although all the strikes we had I probably did. RIP-NWA now Delta. It was a great career and I enjoyed it immensely. 727-707-DC-10-747. Thirty three of the thirty five were as Captain. (mo money) See I am a whore also.:roflblack::joke:

Jack

[Bob Denman]

Thanks for the response! :thumbup: :D
Money simply drives ALL of us...
I envy nobody for their accumulated fortunes; in fact, I want to be just like them! :ohyea:

[jaherbst]

Please tell me where he made his point; I don't see it. :dontknow:

:lecturef_smilie: If you actually go back and read my original post on the topic; my point is rather clear.

EDIT: PM sent with my post...

If you ever worked for a large Corporation you would understand it is always the bottom line. No human input or apathy/sympathy for the individual. He does not exist. He is just a payroll number. No decisions include him unless the union gets involved.

Really was not trying to make any point but to point out BRP will handle these problems the same way as most large corporations and not to expect too much.

Jack

[Cruzr Joe]

I'll do my best to give them any info I can. I really hope this issue can be identified and fixed before someone else loses their Spyder. I'm already trying to accept the fact that I've probably lost a lot of money on the add-ons I bought for it. Aside from the heat and fumes we did have fun riding it and I spent a lot of time making the Spyder my own. I guess one of the reasons I'm so upset about this is that even though it gave me a lot of problems, at the same time it felt like it was really mine and I was proud of it.

Anyway, I'll post more when I have it to give.


My insurance policy says it will cover up to 1,000 dollars of extras.

Cruzr joe

[Vidman]

"Anne, please do not take this as an assault on you or your opinion.

I believe they can find the cause of your fire and others.

An example of skills: We lost our house to a fire last July. The insurance company hired a fire investigator for the purpose of hopefully getting another company to help pay for the rebuild. The investigator and the forensic engineer found the cause to be a 40 year old fan. They found two VERY SMALL (emphasis not yelling) wires that had shorted. This fan was total toast and to find this was amazing to me. BTW, a melted Sony Play Station was operated on by the investigator. His skill was like a surgeon. He got down to minuscule wires to determine it was NOT the cause. I was amazed at the skills these people have.

My purpose for posting this is solely to show.....Where there is a will there is a way. I would be surprised that the same investigation techniques were not performed on these fires. Perhaps NHTSA will do them.

A lesson to be learned in this matter......Bigger companies have fallen then BRP. The most recent example is GM and Toyota. Thankfully no one has died in these situations."




9227792278 Where would you have suggested that they start? :dontknow:
I've spoken with arson investigators many times over the years; this would have been a really tough nut to crack... :shocked:
Obviously; not much can be learned by the uninitiated from only two pictures...
The fire started from a central location on the bike, and spread pretty evenly across the combustible surfaces.
But you already knew that!
Investigating a fire in a home is much easier; there simply is a lot more left after the conflagration has been extinguished.

Perhaps you are correct Bob. Not interested in an online argument. Being in the insurance business you have much more experience. However, you didn't have experience in my case. By looking at the pictures there were more left in this Spyder then was in the room where our fire started along with the top half of our house.

My point is that it can be investigated. I we shouldn't be surprised what these engineers and investigators could find.

Where would I start :lecturef_smilie::dontknow: I am only a retired street cop and NOT a trained fire investigator or engineer. In this case a forensic engineer would probably be the best.

[Magdave]

Dave,


3. Every 2013 RT owner has heat problems, but that's as far as it goes with most of us. (I've pretty much resolved mine by throwing a little money at it, as I've just posted in the RT forum.) BUT you've got something else going on that can and should be fixed by BRP. Having paid a lot of money for your 2013 RT, you owe it to yourself to force someone to make it right so that you can enjoy it. You should be able to make that cross-country trip with your wife.

Just follow the advice of Larry the Cable Guy... Git-r-Done! :thumbup:

I appreciate your advice but the guy I mentioned and his wife were 2 of the nicest people I have ever met but he knew from reputation what he might be walking into so he asked a simple question and was basically tossed out.

Here is the conundrum now I suspect most, if not all, of the fires started by the Brake cylinder (notice the black smoke in the first pic.) many pictures have shown them to be partially melted before the tinfoil fix. Now with the canister wrapped and cylinder wrapped it is impossible to inspect them. Heck I went in later when they had the panel off for a clutch leak they ( I did actually) found my evap canister floating around (at my dealer) and he told me the tech must not have clipped it back in right. I then watched the service manger try to do it. With the wrap on it was difficult to do. Will it stay that way ? :dontknow: If it doesn't it will rest on the exhaust pipe. Poor engineering IMHO to even put it as close as it is. Too many "If's" for my liking and being an engineer I pay more attention than the average guy to what is going on. I am not so worried about myself I can dump it and jump off but not so easy for my wife. I have tossed some money into wrapping the tank but hesitate doing much else because it is not MY FAULT these thing are happening. Time will tell if BRP was lying about addition fixes they proclaimed earlier this year but the time is clicking and they need to tell us it is in the pipeline and estimated roll out time IMHO. I had a Corvair that did catch fire but this thing makes me paranoid every time I see another fire. I still think a 5k (min) rebate on top of any incentives for 2013 owners to upgrade would be a good incentive too. It would make me feel better and I am sure a lot would jump at it assuming they don't lowball the trade in to make up for it.

[oldguyinTX]

Bob, leave out the RT and you will get all of the complaints. It is funny, yesterday I went on the site and they asked me if I wanted to take a survey about my visit on the site. I let them know just how difficult it is to navigate. Today I went back and signed up for email notifications so we will see who else enters their experiences.

Ann, I also signed up for Email notification, but you will only get an Email about a recall - any and all recalls - but no Emails about complaints filed.

[Spiderwoman]

Carlo from BRP contacted me today and asked me to send him info and pics. I had not previously tried to reach them so they obviously monitor this website. I also got a call from the nearest BRP dealer near me (Coyne) with their service rep Kyle asking what happened and if I was ok (which was nice), so I believe they read this site too. Nothing further than that has been done so far.

They are watching this forum and they reached out to me first. That's a good start. We'll see where it goes from there.

First and foremost. Glad to hear your OK!

Your misfortune seems to have finally gotten some attention from BRP regarding the problems associated with Spyders that do have some heat problems. I have also been trying to get some assistance from Customer Care regarding a heat problem I have had with a 2012 RS since I purchased new from a Dealer. This is not my first Spyder. I owned a 2008 GS with normal heat problems associated with higher temps and longer ride time. This 12 is a different game entirely. Its unbearable to ride even with full gear and 65 degree temps. I'm hoping that the contact that I just received will get me the help needed from BRP to resolve my issue.

[Oldmanzues]

Glad the OP is OK. That is some scary stuff. I hope BRP can figure these fires out but I do know they're not just sitting on their hands hoping it just goes away.

And another thing. Is it my imagination or do people hold BRP to a higher standard then say GM or Toyota. Both of those large corporations tried to cover up defects that directly led to deaths, but their sales just keep rolling along like nothing happened.

Just saw on the news, 6 recalls on chev and GMC pick ups, 2014 models

[robmorg]

I still think a 5k (min) rebate on top of any incentives for 2013 owners to upgrade would be a good incentive too. It would make me feel better and I am sure a lot would jump at it assuming they don't lowball the trade in to make up for it.
I like that idea, but it would be hard to do because of the "$4000 rebate/3-year warranty" offer currently running from BRP on untitled 2013 RT's. That drives down the resale price of used 2013's and therefore the trade amount dealers are willing to offer by the same amount. As we get closer to the end of the summer, BRP will likely sweeten the rebate deal for 2013's even more, if there are still many left.

[robmorg]

Here is the conundrum now I suspect most, if not all, of the fires started by the Brake cylinder (notice the black smoke in the first pic.) many pictures have shown them to be partially melted before the tinfoil fix. Now with the canister wrapped and cylinder wrapped it is impossible to inspect them. Heck I went in later when they had the panel off for a clutch leak they ( I did actually) found my evap canister floating around (at my dealer) and he told me the tech must not have clipped it back in right. I then watched the service manger try to do it. With the wrap on it was difficult to do. Will it stay that way ? :dontknow:

Dave,

I've recently read Warranty Bulletin 2013-8. (Here's a link to it (http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM444249/RCRIT-13V386-3489.pdf).) It is very thorough, even though it stops short of doing any major "re-routing" of the heat. It does call for inspection, and replacing as necessary, of all the affected parts before wrapping with reflective heat shielding, etc. However we all know that some technicians are more attentive than others, and therein lies the potential problem you speak of. Don't know what the answer to that is, since as you say, it's hard to inspect the parts once the shielding is stuck on there.

[KAPike]

I'm thinking if I had a 2013 with heat issues I'd make sure my insurance was paid up and then I'd put on some type of fire retardant suit and get out there and ride and ride and ride. Eventually that baby is going to burn. Anyone who thinks BRP is going to help after a fire is just kidding themselves. This is the best case scenario for BRP, one less 2013 to haunt them later. BRP is shifting the financial responsibility to the insurance company. I have to believe the motorcycle insurance companies will get smart to the 2013 heat issues after a few more claims like this one and the rates for the 2013's will sky rocket. In the end we will all pay the price for BRP's problem and lack of response with higher rates. For us it's personal, for BRP it's just business.

[HuckFin]

One need not look back any further than Chevy's Corvair to understand why some burn. Design flaws and inadequate ancillary parts.

How did Corvairs get drug into this? I have owned Corvairs for 45+ years and never heard of any designed in flaws that caused them to catch on fire. I'm sure some have caught on fire because of poor maintenance, but not from some designed in flaw.

[granpa in Cincy]

Ford Pinto maybe. nojoke

[Bob Denman]

How did Corvairs get drug into this? I have owned Corvairs for 45+ years and never heard of any designed in flaws that caused them to catch on fire. I'm sure some have caught on fire because of poor maintenance, but not from some designed in flaw.

I was wondering about that as well...
They just got a lot of "Bad Press" right from the start...
Their handling problems weren't really a whole lot worse than most any other car being built at the time either! :thumbup:

[Pirate looks at --]

So you personally know what caused this fire before anyone else? We on this forum do not know what mods have been made to this bike either by BRP or the owner. The owner of this machine stated that he spent thousands to correct the heat problem.
Really, on a 2013 that is under warranty.

I have owned 4 spyders one was a 2013 RT .............. put 7500 miles on it without issue. Traded for a 2013 ST Ltd.
In my opinion, people such as yourself do incite dislike and mistrust.
Also, even though I have had no dealings with Carlo at BRP, many people on this forum seem to like him and find him helpful.
If you dislike these -in your own words- dangerous machines, why don't you just sell it and buy a Toyota or GM or Ford or Honda or HD product? They have all had recalls for a variety of things.
I don't care if some on this forum find this post a little salty or acidic, get out your flame throwers I can take it.
Wait for the facts of the fire investigation, then start spouting off!
:agree: No one is forcing you to keep your Spyder!

[bruiser]

I've resisted getting in on this. I was a volunteer firefighter/EMT and was one of the two trained fire investigators in our department. We were trained by a state investigator. In the interest of full disclosure, we didn't have the entire school. That would have taken too long. I was also an air/ground accident investigator in the Air Force. All this to say that investigating fires takes a lot of time, knowledge, patience and objectiveness. The good investigator will start by ruling out causes more so than looking strictly for causes. Some causes jump right out at you. Most are hidden and require a lot of looking. Forensic investigators are fairly new and few.

Very recently it was found that fire investigation training needs to be looked at again. The following is an excerpt from an article written by Jim Crawford in the April 30, 2011 issue of
FireRescue.

Down the Wrong Path
I’m content to let the experts argue the finer points of these cases. To me, the shared lesson is our need to increase our understanding of fire behavior and interject more science into fire investigations.

Arson isn’t the only problem. It’s common for insurance companies to hire their own fire investigators and for subrogation suits to be brought over what kind of equipment failure led to a fire and who should be paying the bulk of the fire losses involved. Improperly applied investigation techniques may lead to improper product liability conclusions as well.

Further, don’t we want to know what really happens in fires so that we can learn how to best prevent them? If we’re basing our prevention efforts on false assumptions, the steps we take to prevent fires may well be unsuccessful—not as bad as sending an innocent person to jail, maybe, but still a false conclusion that steers us in a bad direction.

If you’re interested in learning more on this topic, there’s a wealth of additional information online. NFPA 921: Guide for Fire and Explosion Investigations is another resource.

"The International Association of Arson Investigators and the National Association of Fire Investigators are dedicated to improving the professionalism of the field and will continue to push for the advancement of the science of fire investigation. In the meantime, however, you might want to reflect on how investigations are done in your department, and whether more rigorous standards are warranted.

Bottom line: If you still think that just anyone can handle your fire investigations, you’re missing the boat.

[murphybrown]

This is what happens when PROFIT becomes the god, and the customer becomes the PAWN in the game. Seems like this the prevailing attitude in business today.
No one can tell me that BRP didn't know that there was a high likelyhood of a fire producing fuel issue in certain '08-'13 models. Let's not forget the poor chap somewhere on this forum that is having issues with his 622 eating tires, and BRP's reluctance to "do the right thing". Instead he is being made to jump thru many hoops. What about the rear tires on the 1330s?
I've been lurking around here for a little over a year trying to gather information about the RTs knowing full well that I was facing a complicated reconstructive surgery on my left hand/wrist and forearm which could curtail my riding because of not being able to operate the clutch for an extended trip post rehab. I had that surgery on May 16th, and have been on STD since.
I've only known ONE person that BRP responded to in a "timely"and appropriate fashion when her '13 RT model went up in flames. That's ONE out of how many? Is it possible that BRP makes people sign non-disclosure agreements when they receive replacement products,, or compensation and so "we" never find out about their good deeds here?
Just based on the stories I have read, I've come to the conclusion that BRP is way too much of a customer insensitive company for my liking. I'll figure out how to operate my clutch on my current ride, or give up riding all together.
Mike

That (first and foremost) I am a man (anyway last time I looked I was still female..:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:). And second and much more important that BRP is reluctant "to do the right thing" with my 622 trailer that seems to like tires more than I like candy. Carlo from BRP has been very responsive as has my dealer, Pitbull Powersports. Now in my mind it would be so simple ...to just say replace the trailer. BUT that is not the way any vehicle warranty works (not limited to BRP). I know I have to do things BRP way and I am willing to do that. Takes a little longer, and sometimes a source of frustration, when my I WANT IT NOW attitude kicks in. BUT I have always had response from Carlo and Pitbull. I trust that they will do what is right and that I will end up with a non tire eating trailer. Keeping scrupulous records of what is occurring...they need that information and it eliminates the "he said/she said" .. plus I like clarity and without that I end up :banghead::banghead::banghead: . So Mike if nothing else from my answer remember I am WOMAN and Carlo at BRP is alive, well and doing his job . :thumbup:

[SpyderDuck]

I like that idea, but it would be hard to do because of the "$4000 rebate/3-year warranty" offer currently running from BRP on untitled 2013 RT's. That drives down the resale price of used 2013's and therefore the trade amount dealers are willing to offer by the same amount. As we get closer to the end of the summer, BRP will likely sweeten the rebate deal for 2013's even more, if there are still many left.

If anyone reading here does purchase on of the 2013 RTs because of the great offers out there, please do some due diligence. Find out what 'fixes' were issued by BRP on this model, and make sure the dealer has done them! Don't trust their records on the bike.

The dealer I purchased my 2009 RS from did not install a ground wire, and I had transmission issues for almost a year, until a BRP tech at an owner's event installed the wire. This fix was a service bulletin that was issued long before I had purchased the bike. Later, another dealer was surprised to find that according to the service records on the bike, the ground wire had been installed many months before I bought it.

Quite frankly, the dealer that I had purchased from had falsified the service record, which was astonishing, considering how small this fix was; it only took 5 minutes and a cheap ground wire. My issue was annoying, and could have been dangerous in certain situations, but not as dangerous as the threat of fire. So do be careful if you decide to purchase the 2013 RT, and check behind the dealer, just in case. If they get really nasty or upset that you want to check, then do you really want to do business with them, anyway?

[spydee owner]

That (first and foremost) I am a man (anyway last time I looked I was still female..:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:). And second and much more important that BRP is reluctant "to do the right thing" with my 622 trailer that seems to like tires more than I like candy. Carlo from BRP has been very responsive as has my dealer, Pitbull Powersports. Now in my mind it would be so simple ...to just say replace the trailer. BUT that is not the way any vehicle warranty works (not limited to BRP). I know I have to do things BRP way and I am willing to do that. Takes a little longer, and sometimes a source of frustration, when my I WANT IT NOW attitude kicks in. BUT I have always had response from Carlo and Pitbull. I trust that they will do what is right and that I will end up with a non tire eating trailer. Keeping scrupulous records of what is occurring...they need that information and it eliminates the "he said/she said" .. plus I like clarity and without that I end up :banghead::banghead::banghead: . So Mike if nothing else from my answer remember I am WOMAN and Carlo at BRP is alive, well and doing his job . :thumbup:

It's a trailer! How hard can it be for BRP to fix? The fact that other bikers behind you said it was dog tracking would suggest to me a frame issue. If I were BRP, I would just replace the trailer, refurb yours and sell yours as a refurbed unit.

[shooter]

I'll pass on some info. When buying a car, bike or boat always check the manufactures date. If the vehicle was dated on a Monday or Friday avoid these at all cost. My wife's 2013 RTS was manufactured on a Wednesday, no heat issues or gas smells at all.

[Bob Denman]

But what if they were closed on a Monday, and you found a Tuesday buid-date? :shocked: ;)

[Jeriatric]

https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc=&client=tablet-android-samsung&hl=en-US&safe=images&oe=utf-8&q=corvair%20fires&source=android-browser-type&qsubts=1406733729698&action=devloc


How did Corvairs get drug into this? I have owned Corvairs for 45+ years and never heard of any designed in flaws that caused them to catch on fire. I'm sure some have caught on fire because of poor maintenance, but not from some designed in flaw.

[Bob Denman]

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
I hope that you realize where the first link takes you...

...to a FORUM! :D

If I were to base my opinion on what I've seen in here; I'd have been sure that the Spyder would not only burn down; it'd blow up,give me bad breath, vandalize the house, steal my checkbook, sleep with my Missus, and get me kicked out of the Masons! :shocked:

[SpyderAnn01]

My point is that it can be investigated. I we shouldn't be surprised what these engineers and investigators could find.

.

But what effort and funds will BRP put into the investigations? Will they or did they actually hire engineers and fire investigators? BRP has the remains of my Spyder, not my insurance company.

[Tazzel]

It does not matter what an investigation turns up. I am sure the BRP reason will be is that the guy mounted the spyder incorrectly.

[Jeriatric]

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:
I hope that you realize where the first link takes you...

...to a FORUM! :D

If I were to base my opinion on what I've seen in here; I'd have been sure that the Spyder would not only burn down; it'd blow up,give me bad breath, vandalize the house, steal my checkbook, sleep with my Missus, and get me kicked out of the Masons! :shocked:


Oh Bob......:roflblack:

[HuckFin]

https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc=&client=tablet-android-samsung&hl=en-US&safe=images&oe=utf-8&q=corvair%20fires&source=android-browser-type&qsubts=1406733729698&action=devloc

Jerbear, I googled "Corvette fires" and got the same kind of horror stories.

[Jeriatric]

Jerbein thr, I googled "Corvette fires" and got the same kind of horror stories.

Didn't mean to offend you. Just stating facts as I remember them from back in the 60's.

[scarecrow]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robmorghttp://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=849448#post849448)I like that idea, but it would be hard to do because of the "$4000 rebate/3-year warranty" offer currently running from BRP on untitled 2013 RT's. That drives down the resale price of used 2013's and therefore the trade amount dealers are willing to offer by the same amount. As we get closer to the end of the summer, BRP will likely sweeten the rebate deal for 2013's even more, if there are still many left."

As the new year approaches and the 2015 get released. What are we looking at for trade in's on our 13 rts? Half of what we paid for. Mine will be a year old in September with less than 4,000 miles on it. Yes I got the rebate and extended my warranty to 5 years. I put a good amount down the keep the payments down.
We love our Spyder don't penalized us because there could be a fire or there is a heat issue?
If it wasn't for this forum I would not have known about the spyder fires or that there is a heat issue. All I ask is someone needs to try and fix this or let me fix this. Don't threaten me with "you'll loose your warranty if you do that".

I love the Monday/Friday Build thing. Just how do find what day your spyder was built?

Just a little trivia. The man who started the 5 day work week because he found that his production was floundering with to many hours of working was. Henry Ford. So for those of you who don't work retail and have the weekends off. Thank Mr. Ford. Oh! What day is it again? lol

[ARtraveler]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robmorghttp://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=849448#post849448)I like that idea, but it would be hard to do because of the "$4000 rebate/3-year warranty" offer currently running from BRP on untitled 2013 RT's. That drives down the resale price of used 2013's and therefore the trade amount dealers are willing to offer by the same amount. As we get closer to the end of the summer, BRP will likely sweeten the rebate deal for 2013's even more, if there are still many left."

As the new year approaches and the 2015 get released. What are we looking at for trade in's on our 13 rts? Half of what we paid for. Mine will be a year old in September with less than 4,000 miles on it. Yes I got the rebate and extended my warranty to 5 years. I put a good amount down the keep the payments down.
We love our Spyder don't penalized us because there could be a fire or there is a heat issue?
If it wasn't for this forum I would not have known about the spyder fires or that there is a heat issue. All I ask is someone needs to try and fix this or let me fix this. Don't threaten me with "you'll loose your warranty if you do that".

I love the Monday/Friday Build thing. Just how do find what day your spyder was built?

Just a little trivia. The man who started the 5 day work week because he found that his production was floundering with to many hours of working was. Henry Ford. So for those of you who don't work retail and have the weekends off. Thank Mr. Ford. Oh! What day is it again? lol

RESALE: The value is going to continue to decline on the 2013's. Ongoing issues (the latest fire) have probably not helped much. You have a lot invested, and if you are happy with it, I would continue to drive it and enjoy it. You have a new machine (4000 miles), a five year warranty, etc. etc. Keep it insured (full coverage) and enjoy. When we have talked issues with 2013's in other threads, many 2013 owners have chimed in and said their machines are perfect, and they love them. The issues are on a few machines and not every one.

[HuckFin]

Didn't mean to offend you. Just stating facts as I remember them from back in the 60's.

Sorry, didn't mean to come across as being offended. Through the years I have heard all the stories about what's wrong about my Corvair and I'm sure I will be hearing more. Now that I have a 2013 Spyder I'll get to hear even more stories, oh well I like both of these vehicles and haven't experienced any of the problems others have had.....So far.

[Bob Denman]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by robmorghttp://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=849448#post849448)I I love the Monday/Friday Build thing. Just how do find what day your spyder was built?

When you bought your bike, included in the paperwork was the "Manufacturer's Statement of Origin". It's gives whatever State you register in, all of the information needed to produce a title...
If you have a copy of it... it'll be there! :thumbup:

[Princeau99]

Sorry, didn't mean to come across as being offended. Through the years I have heard all the stories about what's wrong about my Corvair and I'm sure I will be hearing more. Now that I have a 2013 Spyder I'll get to hear even more stories, oh well I like both of these vehicles and haven't experienced any of the problems others have had.....So far.
I also had a corvair. Always felt the problems reported were fabricated. Other than not handling well, zero problems. During the same time period it seemed at least once a month there was news coverage of a VW bus burning up. (Late 60s-early 70s)

[JerryB]

Hi Bob,

Re: If you have a copy of it... it'll be there!

I do not know about New York but my title here in Oregon does not tell the date of mfr. It only has the year; which may or not be the year of mfr.

Does yours?

Just wondering,

Jerry Baumchen

[Bob Denman]

The M.S.O. is produced by the Manufacturer. The information is defintely on there. Each State does what it does, when it produces the Title... :dontknow:
I'll find a copy of my M.S.O., and let you know where to look...

[Kraut]

But what if they were closed on a Monday, and you found a Tuesday buid-date? :shocked: ;)

Now you're really killing my OCD!

[Bob Denman]

Do you mean, "CDO"?
After all; shouldn't it be alphabetized? :shocked:

[Vidman]

But what effort and funds will BRP put into the investigations? Will they or did they actually hire engineers and fire investigators? BRP has the remains of my Spyder, not my insurance company.

I certainly understand why BRP would want the burned bike. They would not be the ones to hire engineers and investigators. If insurance companies see a pattern large enough to expend the money for an investigation then things would possibly move along. I never stated, nor believe, that BRP would pay for the investigation. I hope all afflicted owners are dealt with properly.

[jaherbst]

But what effort and funds will BRP put into the investigations? Will they or did they actually hire engineers and fire investigators? BRP has the remains of my Spyder, not my insurance company.


Ann Who replaced your Spyder, BRP or your insurance company???

Jack

[Bob Denman]

The insurance company would hire the outside fire investigator...
BRP would task it's own engineers with trying to piece together the story of what happened.
After all; they designed and built the bike. In theory; they should have the best idea of what to look for. :thumbup:

[3 Wheel Addict]

You must remember that anything could catch fire at any time, it's the issues leading up to the fire that's in question. I purchased a new GM truck in 1989 and they recalled the transmission dipstick for causing fires? Turns out the trans could "burp up" fluid out of the dipstick on the hot exhaust manifold so they installed a "locking" dipstick. Some of the 13's have been giving huge clues.......

[jpbuch9309]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1NHO0K3bY8

[Bob Denman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvnTwqePSpM

Even a GoldWing can have a very bad day... :shocked:

[Dan McNally]

How did Corvairs get drug into this? I have owned Corvairs for 45+ years and never heard of any designed in flaws that caused them to catch on fire. I'm sure some have caught on fire because of poor maintenance, but not from some designed in flaw.

The problem with the Chevy Corvair was that so many mechanics did not know how to work on it. I worked for a guy who was a retired GM engineer who could make them sing. He had so much business, just with Corvairs, that his garage was sometimes mistaken for a used car lot, and people would come in to buy a car!

I suspect some of our issues may very well have to do with the quality of the mechanic that some dealerships employ. Some of you know that the dealership where I bought my RT left parts off the rear brake when they performed the recall work. I am happy to report that, to date, the ECM update seems to have resolved the extreme heat that was giving me 1st degree burns on my thighs when I rode for more than an hour. The glove box area no longer gets extremely hot, nor do I have the terrible heat shooting out from the seat lock mechanism, when the seat is open. I've put over 3,000 miles on my Spyder since the ECM update (bulletin 2013-9 I think?) and am very happy with how it runs. Will it someday turn into a pile of slag on the side of the road? Who knows? But I plan on riding as often as I can, and will cross that bridge if I ever come to it.

[Bob Denman]

Glad to hear that the situation has greatly improved! :thumbup:

[Dan McNally]

Now you're really killing my OCD!

Does this help :roflblack:

92458

[SpyderAnn01]

I certainly understand why BRP would want the burned bike. They would not be the ones to hire engineers and investigators. If insurance companies see a pattern large enough to expend the money for an investigation then things would possibly moPve along. I never stated, nor believe, that BRP would pay for the investigation. I hope all afflicted owners are dealt with properly.

Why wouldn't BRP hire investigators or engineers? They have the most to lose if they can not determine the cause of the fire.


Ann Who replaced your Spyder, BRP or your insurance company???

Jack

I replaced my Spyder.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1NHO0K3bY8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1NHO0K3bY8)

You're getting into the game a little late. The fire in your link happened in June of 2013, followed by a fire in Canada on 08/01/13 and my fire on 08/07/13. Another fire on Christmas Day and now Dat Guy's last weekend.

[ARtraveler]

Do you mean, "CDO"?
After all; shouldn't it be alphabetized? :shocked:

Isn't is albaphetized? :roflblack:

[scarecrow]

You listed 5 fires.
I'd like to know where and when this one was?

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mpo/4527650853.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mpo/4527650853.html)

I posted this one before, but I can't get anyone on craigslist to comment on it.
Is it the 6 fire?

A friend bought his wife a new Ford Escape within a year there was a recall. He was told not to drive it. Ford would pick it up and give them a loner until the could resolve the problem. He decided to drive it to the dealer and pick up the loner as he needed to get it done. It took the dealer sometime to aquire the loner because their lot was full of the recall cars from other owners. Anyway the problem was the motor would get up to temp and the trans would spew fluid on the exhaust pipe causing fire.
The fix was easy. It was not a mechanical problem, but was a big software issue.
Took the techs from start to finish 8hrs to reload new software.
Back to the Monday/Friday thing.
Back to Mechanical or software.
FInding a software issue in a burned down anything you'd better be on your "A" game.

[FireSale]

There are other Fires beyond those. I purchased a trailer hitch from a burned out RS last year in GA. I know another few former members had fires with RS's as well, (some guy with the shark looking front decal kit), and mine. They were not 2013's nor RTs. So spontaneous combustion while on the vehicle is, jarring to say the least.

My issue is being sorted out elsewhere, and when that is finalized I will be filing a report with the NHTSA so that current or future Spyder Lovers can have information and facts. My wreckage is being investigated.

[SpyderAnn01]

There are other Fires beyond those. I purchased a trailer hitch from a burned out RS last year in GA. I know another few former members had fires with RS's as well, (some guy with the shark looking front decal kit), and mine. They were not 2013's nor RTs. So spontaneous combustion while on the vehicle is, jarring to say the least.

My issue is being sorted out elsewhere, and when that is finalized I will be filing a report with the NHTSA so that current or future Spyder Lovers can have information and facts. My wreckage is being investigated.

It has been my understanding that the fires in the early RS were caused by the hose to the evap canister and I have not heard of one of them burning in a couple of years. If you have an issue why don't you report it to the NHTSA now, rather than late?

[tigerdr]

These fires are not "accidents". They are the result of serious design flaws that BRP refuses to address. On the whole, Spyders are safer that 2 wheelers. But if one starts burning under your butt, you might change your mind as to weather or not they can ​be dangerous.

What do you know about BRP refuses to adress those Spyder fires? It's easy behind a keyboard to make this affirmation. They had a recall as I know.

[Bob Denman]

:agree:

[900Dave]

You listed 5 fires.
I'd like to know where and when this one was?

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mpo/4527650853.html (http://atlanta.craigslist.org/eat/mpo/4527650853.html)

I posted this one before, but I can't get anyone on craigslist to comment on it.
Is it the 6 fire?

A friend bought his wife a new Ford Escape within a year there was a recall. He was told not to drive it. Ford would pick it up and give them a loner until the could resolve the problem. He decided to drive it to the dealer and pick up the loner as he needed to get it done. It took the dealer sometime to aquire the loner because their lot was full of the recall cars from other owners. Anyway the problem was the motor would get up to temp and the trans would spew fluid on the exhaust pipe causing fire.
The fix was easy. It was not a mechanical problem, but was a big software issue.
Took the techs from start to finish 8hrs to reload new software.
Back to the Monday/Friday thing.
Back to Mechanical or software.
FInding a software issue in a burned down anything you'd better be on your "A" game.

Just looking at the front wheels that should be pre 2013. Maybe a 2012 or 11. Unless of course they are not the original front wheels.

[Bob Denman]

It could be a 2013...
Those might be the wheels of a base-model RS or ST... :dontknow:

[900Dave]

It could be a 2013...
Those might be the wheels of a base-model RS or ST... :dontknow:

Is that style wheel not a 14 inch? All the 2013's had the 15 inch I do believe. I have however been wrong before so it could be a 13.:dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

I just checked the 2013 brochure...
The base models carried a 15" wheel on those bikes, that looked an awful lot like the earlier RT wheels...

[HuckFin]

The problem with the Chevy Corvair was that so many mechanics did not know how to work on it. I worked for a guy who was a retired GM engineer who could make them sing. He had so much business, just with Corvairs, that his garage was sometimes mistaken for a used car lot, and people would come in to buy

I suspect some of our issues may very well have to do with the quality of the mechanic that some dealerships employ. Some of you know that the dealership where I bought my RT left parts off the rear brake when they performed the recall work. I am happy to report that, to date, the ECM update seems to have resolved the extreme heat that was giving me 1st degree burns on my thighs when I rode for more than an hour. The glove box area no longer gets extremely hot, nor do I have the terrible heat shooting out from the seat lock mechanism, when the seat is open. I've put over 3,000 miles on my Spyder since the ECM update (bulletin 2013-9 I think?) and am very happy with how it runs. Will it someday turn into a pile of slag on the side of the road? Who knows? But I plan on riding as often as I can, and will cross that bridge if I ever come to it.

Yes, I had the same kind of problems with mechanics working on my Corvairs, so I started doing my own work and later wound up working on other peoples Corvairs and just like the guy you worked with, I turned my garage into a Corvair shop. Before to long I had more work than I could keep up with. All it takes is doing good work and treating customers right. Fortunately I bought my 2013 RS-S Spyder from a great dealer, (Clems in Enumclaw) and have put on over 4000 miles with zero problems.

[900Dave]

I just checked the 2013 brochure...
The base models carried a 15" wheel on those bikes, that looked an awful lot like the earlier RT wheels...

Like this!
92508


So yes it could be a 2013.

[jScotD]

glad you are ok.. what a mind mess up that had to be


sidenote

anyone want to buy a 2012 rs se5 with 4 and 1/2 hrs on it for 14 grand...with a Few mods

these treads make me nervous and make me want to buy another BMW

[jaherbst]

[QUOTE=SpyderAnn01;850295]Why wouldn't BRP hire investigators or engineers? They have the most to lose if they can not determine the cause of the fire.



I replaced my Spyder.



You're getting into the game a little late. The fire in your link happened in June of 2013, followed by a fire in Canada on 08/01/13 and my fire on 08/07/13. Another fire on Christmas Day and now Dat Guy's last weekend.[/QUOTE

No insurance? I thought BRP replaced it or your insurance reimbursed you. Or maybe your not supposed to say. :sour:

Jack

[jaherbst]

Just looking at the front wheels that should be pre 2013. Maybe a 2012 or 11. Unless of course they are not the original front wheels.

Look at the last frame. Serial number with 2013 below. It was a 2013.

Jack

[HuckFin]

I noticed back at post #55 there are 4 pictures of Spyders on fire, the first three are clearly not 2013s, the 4th one I can't tell what year, but later on someone asks if all 4 spyders that burned were all 2013s and later got an answer of yes, so if there were 4 2013s that caught on fire, that would at least make it a total of 7 fires. Later someone posted a picture of a burned up 2013 on craigs list, don't know if that one was one of the original 2013s that burned or not. I have a feeling, that through the years not every spyder fire was reported to the NHTSA.

[Bob Denman]

Do you think that the owners of the burned-bikes care about what year they were? :dontknow:
Fact is... they burned! :shocked:
End Of Story!

[SpyderAnn01]

I noticed back at post #55 there are 4 pictures of Spyders on fire, the first three are clearly not 2013s, the 4th one I can't tell what year, but later on someone asks if all 4 spyders that burned were all 2013s and later got an answer of yes, so if there were 4 2013s that caught on fire, that would at least make it a total of 7 fires. Later someone posted a picture of a burned up 2013 on craigs list, don't know if that one was one of the original 2013s that burned or not. I have a feeling, that through the years not every spyder fire was reported to the NHTSA.

We were speaking of 2013 RTs and someone brought up the old GS/RS fires. Two different things, when they issued the fix for the GS/RS it is my understanding that there have been no further fires. I have knowledge of 5 2013 RTs that have burned. I do not know anything about the Craigslist Spyder, it could be a 6th or it could be the remains of the Christmas Day fire.

[HuckFin]

Do you think that the owners of the burned-bikes care about what year they were? :dontknow:
Fact is... they burned! :shocked:
End Of Story!

Don't know if that was addressed to me, if so I wasn't speaking to owners of burned-bikes but to others who have commented and posted pictures on this thread.

[finless]

Look at the last frame. Serial number with 2013 below. It was a 2013.

Jack

I caught the same thing. Also look at the muffler. It's an RT.

Bob

[DrewNJ]

Do these numbers include a red RT that I see a lot of parts for on ebay? It's a 10'-12' from the VA area if I remember correct.

I think the early gs/rs fires and the new, more recent RT fires are totally unrelated..

[Dat Guy]

Just an update:

I've had the opportunity to speak with Carlo from BRP several times and they flew one of their technical guys named Dany out to look at what is left of my Spyder today. I answered all of their questions and hope it will help them in finding out what happened. I don't have anything more than that to add, but I know you guys would want to know that they are taking action and are working on finding out what happened. There have been no secret conversations or agreements between BRP and myself, and I can say they have been very straightforward, honest, and polite during this whole thing. If I can update you folks with anything they find later on I will.