New BRP Touring Windshield coming in spring - see pictures

[spyder-dude]

Here is a picture of BRP's new spyder windshield not due out until spring 2009. Looks very nice!


http://www.spydertalk.com/forums/uploads/monthly_09_2008/post-411-1221340342.jpg


My dealer said it is very clean looking....no wierd bends or anything. I believe this was the exact one that I saw when at homecoming in canada on several canadian spyders. :thumbup:

[Bimjo]

Well that's going to cut a lot of wind. Hopefully there isn't so much surface area that the mounting holes have a problem keeping it on the bike.

[BRPjunkie]

It looks like they have learned from the good and bad design traits of some of the aftermarket shields. Any info on price?

[AMTJIM]

Wow...from one extreme to the other...that thing is huge...it looks like the head of the queen on Aliens.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kUY7WhHI7DNW5M:http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2905_image01.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2905_image01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/%3Fpage_id%3D4489%26sku%3D2905&h=600&w=631&sz=47&hl=en&start=45&um=1&usg=__BYDQlgc3lk38KOltt00bxlEPtRM=&tbnid=kUY7WhHI7DNW5M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daliens%2Bqueen%26start%3D36%26ndsp%3D 18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_enUS231US233 %26sa%3DN)

[NancysToy]

Doesn't look like they learned that they had to recurve the top a tad. Holy batwings, Batman!
-Scotty

[Star Cruiser]

I think it looks good. So far I am pretty happy witht he stock Touring windshield, but I have only been Riding for THREE DAYS...But it IS great1

[docdoru]

It's not going to fit so well with the extension mirrors :dontknow:

[daddydarko]

:barf:

[cisaacs]

A little big for my taste. :dontknow:. At least they are working on new stuff. It would make a good winter cold weather shield.

[AMTJIM]

On a side note, you could think of it as a canvas and cut it down to want you want!

[boogllasti]

Interesting.

Maybe it will look better with a gradient black screen like the BRP touring has?

Pretty sure the holes will line up.:D

Considering the BRP touring is like $160 - I'm sure this thing will be well over $200.

[Marcel July]

Hello Spyder-Dude and all of you.
If this is true, than here is what I have to say about that:
BRP anouncing "there new" designed touring Windshields for the Spyders ?

After a long long time in a factory far far away, who they (BRP) did there own research and development and many many Windtunnel tests and with help of several test drivers in several country's BRP found there verry own designed Touring Windshield.
BRP must be super proud of this Windshield design.
We from F1 are more than happy to see a F1 Evolution III "sold" as a BRP Touring Windshield.
BRP, please remember one thing,as at is written on all our websites, pictures and manuals:
{All Images, Text and Windshield Designs are Copyright © 2008 F1-WINDSHIELDS, All Rights Reserved, All F1-Windshield-Designs are PAT. PENDING and Copyright protected
Happy selling!!

[shunkmanitu]

Hello Spyder-Dude and all of you.
If this is true, than here is what I have to say about that:
BRP anouncing "there new" designed touring Windshields for the Spyders ?

After a long long time in a factory far far away, who they (BRP) did there own research and development and many many Windtunnel tests and with help of several test drivers in several country's BRP found there verry own designed Touring Windshield.
BRP must be super proud of this Windshield design.
We from F1 are more than happy to see a F1 Evolution III "sold" as a BRP Touring Windshield.
BRP, please remember one thing,as at is written on all our websites, pictures and manuals:
{All Images, Text and Windshield Designs are Copyright © 2008 F1-WINDSHIELDS, All Rights Reserved, All F1-Windshield-Designs are PAT. PENDING and Copyright protected
Happy selling!!

There are obvious differences in the detail and fit around the mirrors. The "made-for" look of the BRP did loose you a sale as I will probably wait for it. Such winshields are really not copied as would one that resembled AND operated like your inovative adjustable model.

[spydeebike]

ugly ugly ugly

[tatt2r]

ugly ugly ugly

agree ....agree.... agree.....
but cutting the top in the shape of a bat would look cool ...

[boogllasti]

Oh PLEASE, like the BRP unit looks anything like the warped F1 toenails.

And warning them on a public forum about possible patent infringement ?

A real company would just have their legal team contact BRP directly.

They obviously are not infringing on any F1 patents - as their shields will actually FIT. :D

If the F1 shields are actually installed on 1 out of every 3-4 Spyders as that company claims, BRP would have bought them out.

Seems some just don't like free market capitalism and real competition.

Glad to see more options for people who want to tour AND have a decent looking shield that fits and is profesionally made.

End of rant.

It does appear that BRP actually listens to owners as they are also going to release some anti-vibration bar upgrades and other items to address some of our concerns.

[boogllasti]

I would also note that the IND7 adjustable CHAD unit was patentened and released prior to the F1 adjustable. Seems patents are flying around just as much as bugs on winshields.:D

[NancysToy]

agree ....agree.... agree.....
but cutting the top in the shape of a bat would look cool ...
Holy batwings, Batman!!!

[StSpyder09]

Wow...from one extreme to the other...that thing is huge...it looks like the head of the queen on Aliens.
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:kUY7WhHI7DNW5M:http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2905_image01.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/2905_image01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sideshowtoy.com/%3Fpage_id%3D4489%26sku%3D2905&h=600&w=631&sz=47&hl=en&start=45&um=1&usg=__BYDQlgc3lk38KOltt00bxlEPtRM=&tbnid=kUY7WhHI7DNW5M:&tbnh=130&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daliens%2Bqueen%26start%3D36%26ndsp%3D 18%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_enUS231US233 %26sa%3DN)

:yikes: I was thinking that exact same thought as I viewed it. Do they test these things in wind tunnels anymore? Or, is it all computerized calculations now. I mean, it seems pretty obvious that the original screen could only work if you were lying on the dash.:dontknow:

[AMTJIM]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JvNf7xX7_GqRjM:http://9queens.org/wp-content/uploads/15578__04aliens_l.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://9queens.org/wp-content/uploads/15578__04aliens_l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://9queens.org/2008/03/04/single-sex-education-girls-academies-and-alien-the-movie/&h=400&w=300&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&um=1&usg=__VIy3EpYh-v_FP1ceRh94H3J9sFU=&tbnid=JvNf7xX7_GqRjM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dripley%2Baliens%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1% 26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_enUS231US233%26sa%3DN)Ge t that BRP shield away from me you *****

[baldev]

I would also note that the IND7 adjustable CHAD unit was patentened and released prior to the F1 adjustable. Seems patents are flying around just as much as bugs on winshields.:D


Thank God for the US of A.:2thumbs:

Whether or not there is an infringement depends on who got thru the line first under the Patents pending procedure. It does not matter if BRP owns 1/2 the world or that ind7 showed they have the shield and Bush is his friend. nojoke

We can bark all we want but under our excellent legal system, first past the post is suppose to win........and thats what free market is unless you are the big oil company or big conglomerate farmer or one of Bush's cronies contracting without bidding in Afgha or Iraq.:mad:

[dltang]

I do not know if this has any bearing on anything or not but just an observation from me. BRP is a Canadian company. Do they have their own patents? If we buy their windshield isn't it coming from Canada? I do not know patent law so I am not sure if other countries have to another a patent from the US. Just throwing that out there.

[boogllasti]

Now now. We're supposed to stay out of politics I guess ;):D


Actually, a patent can be tossed if someone has proof they invented something first. One of my brothers has 20-some patents he has filed (he gets credit and a nice bonus, but the large computer firm he works for owns them). He has run into situations where they filed a patent and then a few years later found out someone else actually already invented the flus capacitor.

Whoever has the most $$$ will usually win - and I can guarantee that BRP isn't lacking on the $$$$ side if one of these small guys wants to try and come after them.

All of these shields are not unique or specific enough to really allow much protection (from wind or patent infringment).

Now, if F1 wants to file a suit based on BRP coming out with a really ugly shield - they just might have a case - :D.

Also, anyone can SAY they have filed a patent for something - or trademarked or copywritten it - and at least 50% of the time they have not.

[AMTJIM]

Supposedly the international courts are used to support patents from the country of origin if the patent in question has been infringed upon. However, many countries like China for instance don't recognize these courts and they violate this all the time. It's also a problem if you have something made in china, they will require you have x units manufactured and if you don't then they also manufacture the product for themselves to also sell.

[Roaddog2]

:barf::cus::barf:

[boogllasti]

Canada and the US both abide by the Patent Cooperation Treaty. So yes - Patent protections can and do cross borders - unless that border is China :D

[StSpyder09]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JvNf7xX7_GqRjM:http://9queens.org/wp-content/uploads/15578__04aliens_l.jpg (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://9queens.org/wp-content/uploads/15578__04aliens_l.jpg&imgrefurl=http://9queens.org/2008/03/04/single-sex-education-girls-academies-and-alien-the-movie/&h=400&w=300&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&um=1&usg=__VIy3EpYh-v_FP1ceRh94H3J9sFU=&tbnid=JvNf7xX7_GqRjM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dripley%2Baliens%26ndsp%3D18%26um%3D1% 26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBS_enUS231US233%26sa%3DN)Ge t that BRP shield away from me you *****

Then again...It could make for an interesting paint scheme:dontknow:

What do you suppose a giant spider impregnated by a zenomorph would produce? :yikes::spyder::yikes: Hmmmmmm. All rights reserved!!!$$$

[boogllasti]

Then again...It could make for an interesting paint scheme:dontknow:

What do you suppose a giant spider impregnated by a zenomorph would produce? :yikes::spyder::yikes: Hmmmmmm. All rights reserved!!!$$$

I don't know what that would be - but it would be BADDDDDDDDASSSSS!

[NancysToy]

I'm not that sure that a basic shape or size is patentable. As to adjustability, that idea alone certainly is not, but the method by which it is accomplished certainly will be. Let's face it, the standard Spyder windshield is lacking, and the aftermarket, including BRP, seems to be trying to fill the gap. Consumers will choose what the like the best, and what works for them. Some variety, in spite of the fact that they are all based on the same idea and need, is good for the marketplace. Those with a good product will prosper in the end, and the Spyder riders will have choices. I say it is a good thing.
-Scoty

[baldev]

Canada and the US both abide by the Patent Cooperation Treaty. So yes - Patent protections can and do cross borders - unless that border is China :D


Remember the guy who had the patent for the intermittent auto wipers. His Atty's took on the whole auto industry, Japanese, American, Korean etc. Took him almost 10 years BUT eventually he won..millions and I believe is still getting the royalties.
One never know, you need a good atty who beliefs in you and has the guts and patience to go after the big guns.

Under the Patent laws international, a patent registered in any country can be used where there is an infringement or violation of a patent.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_1_30.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=_undefined)

And under conflicts of law principle where the act arose that's the forum for the action.
Unless they chop your head off first.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_200v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=_undefined)

[Saluda]

I like it but would also worry if maybe it presents too much of a strain on the existing anchor points ?

[boogllasti]

Actually I think it was a woman on that wiper case.

[shunkmanitu]

If I was still 215 pounds, waist just 2/3rds of my chest, single, and lived in a moderate climate the stock shield on my spyder would be just fine. I would have my summer and winter leathers, a quiet full face helmet, gloves, etc and would not notice the wind blast. I would probably be looking for a set of drop bars to fit.

As things are now I don't like the wind blast, I've developed claustraphobia to a point that I will not wear a full face helmet, and 95/95 heat/humidity is not conducive to wearing leathers, though I do feel the bar and mirror arangement to be close to perfect.

years ago I had a touring shield, maybe a National or similar with much the came coverage as this new design but bar and grip area, as well as the whole shield was angular instead of rounded. The lower third was red gradient and it looked great on the Rebel as did another one on the CB-750 Nighthawk. The new National and other lines have several shields similar in design to this one and many done as bar mounts. They also have the crusier shields styled after those made popular years ago by HD.

[Magic Man]

I have sat back and read all the "wives tails" about patents and copyrights and am amazed at the amount of misinformation out there regarding thiese topics.:dontknow:

Although not many by some peoples standards. My company owns and holds 6 different patents and copyrights., These are held by us. Us as in NMN Inc holds the certificates on these items. Not by some friend of a brother who once lived next door to my cousin. :D

Patents and copyrights are two different things totally. A copyright has to do with original works of art. Be them written, photos, music, sculptures, well you get the idea.

It is not to used to protect what are called "useful items" under the law. "Useful items" are basically things used for other than art purposes. A windshield would be a prime example of a "useful item," as it's sole purpose is not in art, but in it's usefulness as a windshield.

The design of an item such as this would be covered under what is called a "design patent" and this type of patent covers the shape and design of "useful items" in this respect.

A patent in regards to an item's function or construction, would be a "utility patent." This type of patent has to do with a totally new way to do something, or in your unique way it is made.

There is nothing so world breaking in how these windshields are being made by any of them, as all these types of windshields have been tried before over the years by many people before now. Just trying to say "but we are the first one to do it on a Spyder" does not a patent make.

To have a patent issued, it has to be a totally "new to the world " idea, concept or design. None of these have this going for them, as they are just things people have done before just not on a Spyder. Maybe they were the first to make one fit a Spyder, but none of these guys hold a live active patent on any of these ideas. If so, where is their patent numbers.

If they do please just show us the US patent number, and this all becomes a moot issue right here and now. No number, no patent, just that simple.

Also, one very important thing these cage rattlers are all not saying here. PATENTS TAKE YEARS TO BE ISSUED! The average time from application to issue in America is 3 TO 5 YEARS!

There is no way any of these new designs from any company would have a patent issued already. I don't care who you are! The wheels of Government turn at one speed, which is slow for everybody.

A "patent pending" is worth nothing until and unless the actual patent is approved and issued. It would then only have any meaning if a company was infringing on your patent while it was "pending", and would allow you to go back and seek damages from the date of your application. That is, if your patent was approved and issued. Nothing more than that.

Just because you have applied and have a "patent pending" is not a guarantee of anything, more or less that anything will be issued at all. It just means you have sent your idea in as of the application date, and are telling the world you may be inline for a possible patent protection on this item as of that date.

Don't get me wrong, it helps your case 100% if you listed the "patent pending" and your item gets approved! As then you can prove you warned everybody you were seeking patent protection as of the date of your application. But "patent pending" does nothing more than that.

Back to patent types. These items would have to be applied for under a "design patent" for their "unique shapes and design," as there is really nothing new to the world as to their construction. This still would require the patent office review these items and decide if their design and shape were really "new to the world designs" and worthy of patent protection? This is still done over a very long and drawn out process, and takes years to finally come to a head issued or not.

So, any of these companies who try to tell you they already have a patent of any kind on a product that they just came out with last month, for a vehicle that has only been around 10 months is... Well let's be kind and say very misinformed on how this all works. So, too is their lawyer if that is what he is telling them to say.

Now they could, and I say could here very cautiously. Have ether a "provisional patent" applied for, (which gives them 12 months to apply for a real patent while still protecting the date of first concept) Or, real "patent pending" which would mean their lawyer works at the speed of light. As even the applications can take months to properly prepare.

In ether case, there is nothing more they can do until the government actually makes a ruling, and ether issues or denies their application. :pray:

Anybody saying more than this is just not in the know, or not being 100% truthful. :shocked:

MM

[StSpyder09]

I have sat back and read all the "wives tails" about patents and copyrights and am amazed at the amount of misinformation out there regarding thiese topics.:dontknow:

Although not many by some peoples standards. My company owns and holds 6 different patents and copyrights., These are held by us. Us as in NMN Inc holds the certificates on these items. Not by some friend of a brother who once lived next door to my cousin. :D

Patents and copyrights are two different things totally. A copyright has to do with original works of art. Be them written, photos, music, sculptures, well you get the idea.

It is not to used to protect what are called "useful items" under the law. "Useful items" are basically things used for other than art purposes. A windshield would be a prime example of a "useful item," as it's sole purpose is not in art, but in it's usefulness as a windshield.

The design of an item such as this would be covered under what is called a "design patent" and this type of patent covers the shape and design of "useful items" in this respect.

A patent in regards to an item's function or construction would be a "utility patent." This type of patent has to do with a totally new way to do something, or in your unique way it is made.

There is nothing so world breaking in how these windshields are being made by any of them as all these types of windshields have been tried before over the years by many people before now. Just trying to say "but we are the first one to do it on a Spyder" does not a patent make.

To have a patent issued, it has to be a totally "new to the world "idea, concept or design. None of these have this going for them as they are just things people have done before just not on a Spyder. Maybe they were the first to make one fit a Spyder, but none of these guys hold a live active patent on any of these ideas. If so where is their patent numbers.

If they do please just show us the US patent number and this all becomes a mute issue right here and now. No number, no patent just that simple.

Also one very important thing these cage rattlers are all not saying here. PATENTS TAKE YEARS TO BE ISSUED! The average time from application to issue in America is 3 TO 5 YEARS!

There is no way any of these new designs from any company would have a patent issued already. I don't care who you are. The wheels of Government turn at one speed, which is slow for everybody.

A "patent pending" is worth nothing until and unless the actual patent is approved and issued. It would then only have any meaning if a company was infringing on your patent while it was "pending" and would allow you to go back and seek damages from the date of your application. That is if your patent was approved and issued. Nothing more than that.

Just because you have applied and have a "patent pending" is not a guarantee of anything, more or less that anything will be issued at all. It just means you have sent your idea in as of the application date, and are telling the world you may be inline for a possible patent protection on this item as of that date.

Don't get me wrong, it helps your case 100% if you listed the "patent pending" and your item gets approved! As then you can prove you warned everybody you were seeking patent protection as of the date of your application. But "patent pending" does nothing more than that.

Back to patent types. These items would have to be applied for under a "design patent" for their "unique shapes and design." as there is really nothing new to the world as to their construction. This still would require the patent office review these items and deciding if their design and shape were really "new to the world designs" and worthy of patent protection. This is done over a very long and drawn out process, and takes years to finally come to a head issued or not.

So, any of these companies who try to tell you they already have a patent of any kind on a product that they just came out with last month, for a vehicle that has only been around 10 months is... Well let's be kind and say very misinformed on how this all works. So, too is their lawyer if that is what he is telling them to say.

Now they could, and I say could here very cautiously. Have ether a "provisional patent" applied for (which gives them 12 months to apply for a real patent while still protecting the date of first concept) or a real "patent pending" which would mean their lawyer works at the speed of light.

As even the applications can take months to properly prepare. In ether case, there is nothing more they can do until the government actually makes a ruling, and ether issues or denies their application. :pray:

Anybody saying more than this is just not in the know, or not being 100% truthful. :shocked:

MM


Yeah, Yeah, Magic Man,

You just stay away from my "Spyder-Zenomorph" or I'll Sue Ya.:joke:
YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.

[cisaacs]

Well said. :agree:

[shunkmanitu]

Yeah, Yeah, Magic Man,

I pass the Pensacola Model Park every time I go to and fro the farm. When I still had kids at home we would fly model rockets out where the new VA clinic is now.

Guess you can't handle many planes on two or three wheels. Seems like you might be looking for a solution like my Sunday Military Shoot delema. Either enjoy a ride or coop up in a box for the other recreation!

[Magic Man]

Yeah, Yeah, Magic Man,

You just stay away from my "Spyder-Zenomorph" or I'll Sue Ya.:joke:
YouTube - "Weird Al" Yankovic: I'll Sue Ya (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIllRdSzSug)


I promise i won't touch it! :D

MM

[boogllasti]

:agree::agree::agree: With you Magic Man!

Thanks for taking the time to 'dumb down' this whole process for us all. :clap::clap::clap:

As many of us thought - the whole 'Patent' claimed thing out here was fishy at best, not to mention no one would possibly try to 'warn' a huge company like BRP in an online forum.

Maybe you get an automatic patent once you sell 2,000 (or is it up to 3,000 now) of these? ;):joke::D:p:rolleyes:

I actually think that many people think that if you add the words 'Patent Pending' , Copyright or TradeMark that it makes it so.

I knew just enough to be dangerous about patents. When my Bro told me he came up with (but doesn't own obviously) 20+ patents for Big Blue and got bonuses for them - I was like COOL - that ROCKS. Then he told me that with all the extra work he has to put in just to get one filed - the bonus is barely worth it - since he won't own it or profit from it in the future. Guess it does look good to the boss though.


Thanks again for setting this all straight.

[Spydyr]

On a side note, you could think of it as a canvas and cut it down to want you want!
That's one of the simplest and logical comments I've heard on hear. :2thumbs:

[jarhd3]

BRP is a little johnny come lately w/their ws.The after market has taken care of the lack of products Brp should've been offering.That ws looks like a small sail on the front of the spyder.It is too big.The threads I've read concerning the fit of the F1 ws or lack there of are abit over blown(my opinion).My F1 ws fit the 1st time.The mods I made to it were to fit my riding style and Marcel helped to make the ws fully functional.Maybe some of the riders don't understand the functionality of the ws laminar lip.It works fine for me and is the best ws I've ever used.All of the offerings Brp had for ws were poor at best .Too short,Not very stylish and not too many choices.The after market capitalized and won.I don't see too many ws like the BRP being sold unless your want to totally block the wind in that case you may as well drive a car.Isn't it about getting into the wind and not blocking it?NMN,KEWL andF1 rock!The after market has got your back spyder rider.:chat:

[boogllasti]

Glad you're happy with your F1, but I really fail to see how in the world any of those F1 units could be considered more stylish than the standard BRP or their current touring shield.

I personally love the looks of the current BRP touring unit (not the big new shark fin).

I use the CalSci if I'm gonna be doing a lot of hwy riding, the rest of the time the BRP touring is on the Spyder.

[2spyders]

That's bigger than the windshield on my Toyota! I'd sure like to see someone come up with something in-between, that actually works.

[ima rider]

I like the look of that windshield. I'll be the first one to get it in the spring. I took a cruise down to Las Vegas on Saturday and I don't want full wind blast, even with my full face helmet on.I just use the standard WS now. It doesnt look like the regular BRP touring ws is much different than I have now. But it is still a great ride even with the wind blast and heat :2thumbs:

[NancysToy]

A few random thoughts...

Wind blast and heat is OK, but wind blast and cold or rain are harder to accept. If you ride a lot, or a long distance, you may want something more than stock affords. In that case you will have to compromise styling, especially if you want to keep your hands warmer.

It is going to be difficult, if not impossible, to come up with a windshield that cuts the wind and is not the size of a house. Blame this partly on geometry. The Spyder windshield begins where the axle of the front wheel is located. Compare to a motorcycle where the windshield begins near the rear of the front tire line. This far forward would seem to require a smaller windshield to do the job, but wind curls around a windshield instead of fanning out in a nice cone. As a result, you need more windshield the further forward you place it. The air coming around the cowling and off the trunk doesn't help here. The aerodynamics of a Spyder are very different.

We all seem to have very strong likes and dislikes regarding this subject. We will never all agree, any more than we will on the best Spyder color or the best exhaust. That's what makes the world go 'round, and what drives the aftermarket. There is a place of all these products. Forget the boasts, forget the flames, and just pick what you like. It is strictly a personal decision, like the color of your shirt.

OK, I broke up the soapbox, and will use it for firewood. Thanks for listening.
-Scotty

[dltang]

A few random thoughts...

Wind blast and heat is OK, but wind blast and cold or rain are harder to accept. If you ride a lot, or a long distance, you may want something more than stock affords. In that case you will have to compromise styling, especially if you want to keep your hands warmer.

It is going to be difficult, if not impossible, to come up with a windshield that cuts the wind and is not the size of a house. Blame this partly on geometry. The Spyder windshield begins where the axle of the front wheel is located. Compare to a motorcycle where the windshield begins near the rear of the front tire line. This far forward would seem to require a smaller windshield to do the job, but wind curls around a windshield instead of fanning out in a nice cone. As a result, you need more windshield the further forward you place it. The air coming around the cowling and off the trunk doesn't help here. The aerodynamics of a Spyder are very different.

We all seem to have very strong likes and dislikes regarding this subject. We will never all agree, any more than we will on the best Spyder color or the best exhaust. That's what makes the world go 'round, and what drives the aftermarket. There is a place of all these products. Forget the boasts, forget the flames, and just pick what you like. It is strictly a personal decision, like the color of your shirt.

OK, I broke up the soapbox, and will use it for firewood. Thanks for listening.
-Scotty
:agree:Here Here Scotty, well said

[Spyderjuice]

Scotty and Magic Man

:agree::agree::agree:

Juice

[Director]

A few random thoughts...

Wind blast and heat is OK, but wind blast and cold or rain are harder to accept. If you ride a lot, or a long distance, you may want something more than stock affords. In that case you will have to compromise styling, especially if you want to keep your hands warmer.

It is going to be difficult, if not impossible, to come up with a windshield that cuts the wind and is not the size of a house. Blame this partly on geometry. The Spyder windshield begins where the axle of the front wheel is located. Compare to a motorcycle where the windshield begins near the rear of the front tire line. This far forward would seem to require a smaller windshield to do the job, but wind curls around a windshield instead of fanning out in a nice cone. As a result, you need more windshield the further forward you place it. The air coming around the cowling and off the trunk doesn't help here. The aerodynamics of a Spyder are very different.

We all seem to have very strong likes and dislikes regarding this subject. We will never all agree, any more than we will on the best Spyder color or the best exhaust. That's what makes the world go 'round, and what drives the aftermarket. There is a place of all these products. Forget the boasts, forget the flames, and just pick what you like. It is strictly a personal decision, like the color of your shirt.

OK, I broke up the soapbox, and will use it for firewood. Thanks for listening.
-Scotty
:agree: Very eloquent, Scotty. Truer words never spoken.

[Smylinacha]

I think the new ws is ugly!:dontknow:
Waiting on Clearview and they're coming up w/ something.:2thumbs:

[Arachnid]

Looks kind of like the Givi Shield to me.
Any word on what they will be asking for it?

Mike

[Bimjo]

Here's my take on windshields (or nearly anything else)- form follows function.

In other words, first make it work, then make it pretty.

Sometimes the two never meet & you have to decide if you want "works" or if you want "pretty".

Kinda like the Lamonster cool ram air saga. First it worked, then it worked & was pretty. :)