Another Reported Fire

[finless]

I saw this on the Can-AM Spyder Facebook site today.

It was a 2013 from what I could tell by the poster. This is what was posted word for word with spelling and all caps. I basically copied and pasted it.

Thought I would share as the person is saying GET YOUR RECALL DONE!

Bob


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Im sorry for that.... BUT PLEASE BEWARE OF YOUR RECALL MINE WENT UP IN FLAMES LAST SUNDAY AT THE VALERO GAS STATION AFTER I PULLED UP TO THE PUMP RELEASED MY SEAT REMOVED MY GAS CAP AND 5 FOOT FLAMES SHOT UP AND OVER ME..... (I GOT 3RD DEGREE BURN TRYING TO PUT OUT THE FLAMES COULDN'T DO IT!.
GALAXY PUMPS EMERGENCY BUTTON WAS SHUT OF I WAS WITH 200 OTHER BIKES AT PUMPS WAITING TO GAS UP IT COULD HAVE HAVE BEEN A TRAGIC MOMENT. THANKS TO A FIRE FIGHTER IN OUR GROUP RATHER IN AND GOT THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER........SAVED MY LIFE ......
BRP RECALLS OVER 5,000 BIKES DUE TO FAULTY VENT HOSE CAUSING IT TO MELT & CATCH FIRE...
READ UP ON (CAN AM.COM) FIRES....
I LOVE MY BIKE EVEN HAD A $4,000 custom paint job on it.

[Chupaca]

Is he saying he did not do the updates and recalls..?? Was a near dissaster glad they had good fast responders in the situation. Hope he was not burned badly. Also saw one with a 2009 catching fire while ryding with his girlfriend. He did say he just got it back together before the ryde so not clear what happened. :yikes:

[spydaman60]

wow! that really suxs! like to know the whole story.:dontknow:

[Jeriatric]

another one burns.

Is the owner a SL member and if not does anyone here have first hand knowledge of the incident?

[ARtraveler]

Wow! More details as the story develops? :bbq::bbq::bbq:

[Bob Denman]

I'm pretty sure that if they were in here; we'd have seen this report already... :shocked:
I'd like to know a bit more of the details about it.

[finless]

I will keep you all informed as more info comes out from that one.
So far nothing new has been posted.

Bob

[Tx web rider]

I was waiting on the light to enter the gas station on my spyder when her bike caught fire

by the time I got in the lot it was out minimal damage due to a fast firefighter in the group with a dry chem extinguisher

like was said when she pulled off the road up to the pump lifted the seat and opened the cap (yes it was the new type) and the fumes escaped and went up from a small internal flame that sparked up (no idea where it started )

this was a 2012 with 16k miles just got back 3 weeks prior from the dealer doing 15k checkup and oil and tire change

the bike did over heat the weekend prior in stop and go traffic to the extent it shut down

not sure if this caused the issue when it caught fire but its sitting in the dealers lot now

if there is more info ill post also but at this time nothing

[Bob Denman]

Thanks! :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

This bike already had the new cap... :shocked:
Although I'm not sure if they have referenced the new ECM programming, or the heat barrier endeavors...

[bruiser]

Was it a 2013 or 2012? Two different year models listed. Sounds like the fuel vapors released from the tank were ignited (?). By what? Good thing someone was able to react. Hope she is healing well.

[Bob Denman]

:agree: what open flame could have been present?

[Spiderwoman]

This bike already had the new cap... :shocked:
Although I'm not sure if they have referenced the new ECM programming, or the heat barrier endeavors...


Question... It was my understanding the ECM Programming was not available for the 2012 models.

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: You're 100% correct...
the entire Fire thing, had me thinking 2013... :opps:

[900Dave]

This has been an issue from the beginning. Other than the 13's that have burned I have now read about a 2009 & now a 2012. I also thought the boiling gas was directly related to the 13's and I find out this week it has also been an issue with previous years.

[crazyspyder]

I have a bad feeling my 2012 is next to flame out, dealer or BRP don't give a ratz **z about my heat, strong gas smell, or drips.:banghead::barf:

[jwulf74]

A good idea to keep full coverage on these things...


86437

[flamingobabe]

This is scary...do you have a plan if your bike catches fire...I do

[pellcitypete]

This is scary...do you have a plan if your bike catches fire...I do

:agree: RUN LIKE :cus: And then decide what to do next

[3 Wheel Addict]

There will be more cases like this, overheated fuel tanks and melting parts and some of us have serious fuel leaks now.

[Jeriatric]

ThIs is scary...do you have a plan if your bike catches fire...I do

And it is appropriately named ☆The Ann Plan☆

Download anything you can....if you can?

Then, take a spot with the rest of the spectators.

nojoke

[pellcitypete]

And it is appropriately named ☆The Ann Plan☆

Download anything you can....if you can?

Then, take a spot with the rest of the spectators.

nojoke I had problem with heat boiling gas ect.... when out of warranty Fixed it Myself nojoke

[bruiser]

I believe this was covered extensively in a previous thread. Remembering my firefighter training and physics class, and for refresher, gasoline has a flash point of -45F. Flashpoint is defined as a temperature above which the liquid produces vapors which can ignite or explode. This may happen without a spark or flame. Ignition temperature also applies to a hot surface (exhaust pipe) that will cause vapors to ignite.

Now, bearing in mine that gasoline has a vapor density heavier than air, it will sink and spread out. Vapors are what ignite when gasoline is poured out, such as putting gas on a pile of wood (dumb to start with). That is what causes the "whoosh" sound, the flame front traveling through the vapors. In training, we would drop a match in a container of gasoline and the match would go out without causing a fire.

Gasoline heated to the boiling point of between 100F-400F the vapors can be somewhat lighter. If the fuel tank is heated (we know what that is), it becomes pressurized. When the cap is removed, the pressurized vapors are forced out and up. Ignited, this is the "jet" effect you see.

Since there was an issue with brake cylinders I'll mention that most brake fluids have a flashpoint of 275F. So you can see that brake fluid on a hot exhaust pipe can ignite.

[Tx web rider]

the bike was a 2012 not a 2013

and if was mine my contingent plan is open fronk if can be done safely remove anything I might want to save if I have time pop the givi bags off to save the items there

and let it turn to a puddle of molten metal and plastic

call the fire department at some point


then call for a ride

[cyclelover63]

I

this was a 2012 with 16k miles just got back 3 weeks prior from the dealer doing 15k checkup and oil and tire change

the bike did over heat the weekend prior in stop and go traffic to the extent it shut down

not sure if this caused the issue when it caught fire but its sitting in the dealers lot now

if there is more info ill post also but at this time nothing

This says it was a 2012...wouldn't have had the heat recalls done.

If the vapors sink and hit hot elements,maybe the fuel door in the seat would be a better idea..Also could this have been static electricity?

[bruiser]

Don't think a fuel door would make any difference. It's there more for convenience not safety.

[TicketBait]

finless, is there a way to provide a link to where you saw
it on Facebook? I went to can-am BRP Facebook and didn't
see it, Im not real Facebook savvy. would like to read others
comments there.

thx

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

This is why I have my GAS tank double vented.......one line to the EVAP can and one to the atmosphere ( which also will take any overfill and dis-pose of it safely )........Mike :thumbup:......................................... When I open my gas cap I never get that WHOOSH sound :yes::yes::yes:

[SpyderAnn01]

finless, is there a way to provide a link to where you saw
it on Facebook? I went to can-am BRP Facebook and didn't
see it, Im not real Facebook savvy. would like to read others
comments there.

thx
'
That's the trouble with Facebook it is really hard to find things after they are posted. I saw this post and can't find it again but it was posted as a comment under someone else's post. I believe that it was in response to a post about an accident that happened with a Spyder last week.

[Tx web rider]

if you must see whats writtin ill post the thread here without the header since it was posted in a closed group

SORRY TO REPORT THIS KIND OF MESSSAGE BUT:
MY BIKE PROVIDED THE HOTTEST ENTERTAINMENT FOR ALL TO SEE, MY "CHARRA" BIKE WAS IN TOTAL FLAMES YESTERDAY!
IT WAS DEFINETLY A CHEECH & CHONG MOMENT...

SORRY FOR MAKIN LITE OF IT BUT IF I DONT I START TO CRY......
& I HAVE ALREADY CRIED ALL MY TEARS IN MY BODY OUT LAST NITE & STILL IN DISBELIEF IT HAPPENED.
WE WERE ESCORTING THE FEMALE COMBAT WARROIORS ...FROM SA TO RAYMONDVILLE WE STOPPED IN RIVERA SHORT TO PICK UP MORE BIKES YES THE WEATHER WAS NOT COOPERATING IT WAS WENT & RAINING, BUT IT WAS NOTHING I HAVENT EVER DONE BEFORE... JUST WATER FROM HEAVEN. JESUS WAY OF WASHING MY BIKE.....
PULLED UP TO VALERO GAS STATION PUMP IN RAYMONDVILLE ALONG WITH LOTS OF OTHER BIKES LIFTED MY SEAT TO TAKE MY GAS CAP OFF AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE..... FIRE .... FIRE .... FIRE .... FIRE THE ENTIRE GAS AREA WAS INGULFED IN HIGH FLAMES TOTALLY I TRYED PUTTING THEM OUT I DID NOT STOP I USED MY CHALECO IT DIDNT WORK I YANKED OF MY JACKET & KNEW I HAD TO STOP IT BEFORE THE PUMP CAUGHT ON FIRE & COULD HAVE ENDANGERED EVERYONE ELSE... SO OF COURSE I WAS SCARED TERRIBLEY I TOOK MY JACKET OFF AND COMMENCED TO DOWSED THE FLAMES I STUFFED IT IN THE GAS TANK AREA AND IT SIMI WORKED TILL FINALLY THE JUST STUFFED IT INTO THE HOLE OF MY GAS TANK SHUT THE SEAT UP AND THE FLAMES WERE STILL COMING SO FINALLY ONE GENTELMEN RIDERS RAN IN GOT THE EXTINGUISER INSIDE THE STATION & RAN TO ME .... THAT WORKED BUT IT WAS TO LATE...THE ON;Y INJURY WAS MY RIGHT ARM WHILE TRYING TO FAN & STOP THE FLAME ...BUT I WILL BE OK.
Thank you all who helped very much & I apologize for the the mishap!
: ' ( maybe its time to retire. (NOT)
I LOVE YOU ALL WHO WERE WITH ME TAHNK YOU SIR BENJI A BEAUTIFUL WORK DOG WHO SENCED MY ANXIETY & PAIN.



and there was a ton of thread talk after the fire mostly by non can-am riders I was the only spyder ryder talking on it to her but none of it is worth mentioning here

[Tx web rider]

and her saying it was totally in flames

the main visible damage was the black part that covers the tank and the glove box area was flame damaged

[SpyderAnn01]

That isn't where I saw the post on FB.

[billrob71]

Very sad to hope she is ok


I don't think I saw in the thread but what type of spyder was this? Sorry if it was posted just didnt see it.

[finless]

Ann yes the post was in a topic where a guy scraped up his left front fender and damn it I can't find it now either. I also have not seen the post tx web rider posted so that must be in yet another topic. But at least we have someone tx web rider who knows the facts!

Bob

[dndfindley]

A good idea to keep full coverage on these things...


86437
I am going to play ignorant and ask a stupid question - what the heck does the warning label mean by 'blower'? How do you manually run it as the warming advises?

[dndfindley]

I am going to play ignorant and ask a stupid question - what the heck does the warning label mean by 'blower'? How do you manually run it as the warming advises?
Correction: End of sentence should have read "warning" instead of warming.

[SNOOPY]

I am going to play ignorant and ask a stupid question - what the heck does the warning label mean by 'blower'? How do you manually run it as the warming advises?


Thats a sticker for a blower on a boat, I assume the poster was being sarcastic. Lol

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[DrewNJ]

I posted some pics about a year and a half ago on what I found on my 6mo. old RS with only about 2k miles.
The airbox has a tendency to push the main fuel line on the right side from the tank to the throttle bodies, up against the motor and rub. This is directly above the canister.
I had minor, but noticeable, rub marks in a very short period. I can only imagine what it would look like now....or after a few more years and miles.
There is no doubt in my mind that this would have worn through, creating a pressurized fuel leak....

I recommended everyone pull the airbox, check out the condition of that fuel line, and add some additional cut line to prevent rubbing and damage.
The advice fell on def ears then. Since then, we have found 2 more machines with similar "wear" on the fuel line. One machine we even replaced the line because it was worn pretty good. This was on a 2011 with about 15k.

Not trying to be an alarmist but something to put on the list of things to check out while the machine is down and apart for spring prep.

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[Bob Denman]

Do you have any pictures of those wear patterns? :dontknow:
They could be pretty significant.

[DrewNJ]

Do you have any pictures of those wear patterns? :dontknow:
They could be pretty significant.

Somewhere....I posted the ones from my bike on here quite some time ago. Since nobody paid any attention I didn't even bother with pics off the 2011.
But that's kinda the way this place rolls.....haha...

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[jwulf74]

Thats a sticker for a blower on a boat, I assume the poster was being sarcastic. Lol

.

Lol, yep. I meant it as a joke. Though at times it seems to fit. I added an Attwood 3" blower when I changed out the airbox. The blower is thermostatically controlled with a switch I added. Helps keep it cooler under the Tupperware. The sticker came with the blower. First thing that popped into my mind when I saw it is " I wonder if they somehow know I am installing this in a Spyder". :)

[Tx web rider]

sorry some how all the discussion it was missed it is a 2012 rt

[SNOOPY]

Lol, yep. I meant it as a joke. Though at times it seems to fit. I added an Attwood 3" blower when I changed out the airbox. The blower is thermostatically controlled with a switch I added. Helps keep it cooler under the Tupperware. The sticker came with the blower. First thing that popped into my mind when I saw it is " I wonder if they somehow know I am installing this in a Spyder". :)



LOL


I wondered before how you fit it in there....didn't realize you removed the airbox junk. :thumbup:

[hawaiianspyder]

I saw this on the Can-AM Spyder Facebookte today.

It was a 2013 from what I could tell by the poster. This is what was posted word for word with spelling and all caps. I basically copied and pasted it.

Thought I would share as the person is saying GET YOUR RECALL DONE!

Bob


_______________________________

Im sorry for that.... BUT PLEASE BEWARE OF YOUR RECALL MINE WENT UP IN FLAMES LAST SUNDAY AT THE VALERO GAS STATION AFTER I PULLED UP TO THE PUMP RELEASED MY SEAT REMOVED MY GAS CAP AND 5 FOOT FLAMES SHOT UP AND OVER ME..... (I GOT 3RD DEGREE BURN TRYING TO PUT OUT THE FLAMES COULDN'T DO IT!.
GALAXY PUMPS EMERGENCY BUTTON WAS SHUT OF I WAS WITH 200 OTHER BIKES AT PUMPS WAITING TO GAS UP IT COULD HAVE HAVE BEEN A TRAGIC MOMENT. THANKS TO A FIRE FIGHTER IN OUR GROUP RATHER IN AND GOT THE FIRE EXTINGUISHER........SAVED MY LIFE ......
BRP RECALLS OVER 5,000 BIKES DUE TO FAULTY VENT HOSE CAUSING IT TO MELT & CATCH FIRE...
READ UP ON (CAN AM.COM) FIRES....
I LOVE MY BIKE EVEN HAD A $4,000 custom paint job on it.

Hi everyone, my spyder as well has just caught on fire here in hawaii. Sorry to hear that you were injured in from the fire. I really liked my spyder and would probably chance having another one. Now I have no bike, and it is rare to see these bikes come to our islands. What is bro doing for you guy? I think they owe us new bike since its the manufacture that have failed in their design to create a safe product for the consumer. It was not the riders fault. Most importantly though they should fix the problem before someone ends up dead. I dont get on here that often, but hey be safe out there spyder fans. May God bless you all.

[Bob Denman]

:yikes: Glad that you're okay... :thumbup:
NHTSA is currently investigating these reports; please let them know about yours!

[ARtraveler]

"check engine light with a P0351 code help
Hello everyone i need your spyder help. I recently bought a 2008 spyder sm5 in hawaii, this is my first ever motorcycle. I love it however only got to ride it three times before my check engine light came on. Learned online how to selfcheck for code. We have no brp on any island. Any solutions on a self fix. The code is for ignition coil. Anyone else had this issue, if so how did you fix it. Thank you all in advance for your knowledge. "




The Hawaiian Spyder is listed as a 2008 SM5. There may have been a lot of things not up to par, since there are no dealers in Hawaii.

[Bob Denman]

Does anybody know where that NHTSA web address is? :dontknow:
I'm trying to find it; and I've run out of success... :banghead:

[Jeriatric]

http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owner (http://www.safercar.gov/Vehicle+Owners)s


Does anybody know where that NHTSA web address is? :dontknow:
I'm trying to find it; and I've run out of success... :banghead:

[Bob Denman]

Thanks! :thumbup:

[SNOOPY]

Out of site, out of mind.


If you don't press the issue directly w BRP....again and again...you won't get anything done. :(

[SpyderAnn01]

Does anybody know where that NHTSA web address is? :dontknow:
I'm trying to find it; and I've run out of success... :banghead:

I don't know why but I found this post of yours very, very funny. Do you not use Google?

[Lone Spyder Ryder]

I believe this was covered extensively in a previous thread. Remembering my firefighter training and physics class, and for refresher, gasoline has a flash point of -45F. Flashpoint is defined as a temperature above which the liquid produces vapors which can ignite or explode. This may happen without a spark or flame. Ignition temperature also applies to a hot surface (exhaust pipe) that will cause vapors to ignite.

Now, bearing in mine that gasoline has a vapor density heavier than air, it will sink and spread out. Vapors are what ignite when gasoline is poured out, such as putting gas on a pile of wood (dumb to start with). That is what causes the "whoosh" sound, the flame front traveling through the vapors. In training, we would drop a match in a container of gasoline and the match would go out without causing a fire.

Gasoline heated to the boiling point of between 100F-400F the vapors can be somewhat lighter. If the fuel tank is heated (we know what that is), it becomes pressurized. When the cap is removed, the pressurized vapors are forced out and up. Ignited, this is the "jet" effect you see.

Since there was an issue with brake cylinders I'll mention that most brake fluids have a flashpoint of 275F. So you can see that brake fluid on a hot exhaust pipe can ignite.
I know for sure it can happen just that easy.

[Ben Burped]

Lol, yep. I meant it as a joke. Though at times it seems to fit. I added an Attwood 3" blower when I changed out the airbox. The blower is thermostatically controlled with a switch I added. Helps keep it cooler under the Tupperware. The sticker came with the blower. First thing that popped into my mind when I saw it is " I wonder if they somehow know I am installing this in a Spyder". :)

Share with the world where you installed a boat blower on your spyder. This is a great idea because it could move a lot of heat and not use a lot of amps to do it. Impressive, dude and way to go thinking out of the box. This is a three bow suggestion.:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[mastertek2000]

do you have a link to the face book page

[kep-up]

Wait a bloody minute!
I recently bought my first Spyder, a 2011 RS-S, and now I find out it could catch fire??
Maybe I should unload it and go back to a motorcycle?

[ARtraveler]

Wait a bloody minute!
I recently bought my first Spyder, a 2011 RS-S, and now I find out it could catch fire??
Maybe I should unload it and go back to a motorcycle?

Anything can happen to anyone. The odds are in your favor that your :spyder2: will not self combust.

I am not worried about either of the RT's I currently own and was not afraid on the other three :spyder2:'s owned. I have had experience with 5 different years, that is all of them except for 2012 and 2013. The experience covers over 100,000 miles of riding the :ani29: brand.

If I thought the :spyder2: was prone to burning up, I would have divested long ago.

[Vrooom]

Looks like the odds of us spyder owners having a barbeque occur under us are improving with every fire report. Hope NTSA takes some action soon, before someone is killed. These incidents are beyond anecdotal supposition now.