titanium heat tape

[cuznjohn]

i was looking around at heat tape for the pipes and i read that titanium heat tape does not hold moisture so no rust can build on the pipes, i found it on e bay and it is not that expensive. i was also looking at cat bypass pipes and found one but it is 400+ is that right?. does anyone have a site for the bypass pipe and would it void warranty on the bike. i have the BEST warranty so i am covered for years and don't want to have to put the cat back in if something happens. any info will be greatly appreciated

[Bob Denman]

Have you checked with John?
(Jthornton)
I believe that he's either got one, or is working on it.
If something were to happen to your bike; just pop it back in place before calling the dealer! :thumbup:

[hchays]

The titanium heat wrap is the best wrap to buy for many reasons (heat, moisture, looks and durability). I have it on my Spyder, however I do not see much of a temp decrease. Wrap is designed to hold heat in the pipe for better fuel/gas burn. As for the bypass pipe, yes it will void your warranty if you take it to the dealer with it on. I know a lot of people say "just put the cat back on before you go". Well, what happens when your Spyder breaks down on the road and it has to be towed to the nearest Can-Am dealer, that's right your in trouble.... If it were not for that I would have already had one (and yes they think they are worth $400).....

[crazyspyder]

The titanium heat wrap is the best wrap to buy for many reasons (heat, moisture, looks and durability). I have it on my Spyder, however I do not see much of a temp decrease. Wrap is designed to hold heat in the pipe for better fuel/gas burn. As for the bypass pipe, yes it will void your warranty if you take it to the dealer with it on. I know a lot of people say "just put the cat back on before you go". Well, what happens when your Spyder breaks down on the road and it has to be towed to the nearest Can-Am dealer, that's right your in trouble.... If it were not for that I would have already had one (and yes they think they are worth $400)..... wrong- well maybe each dealer handles it differently, my dealer had NO problem taking off my cat and installing after market muffler aswell , and they have continued servicing my spyder. this is what people do , and they understand that -especially with all the heat problems out there. I got my cat-bypass from spyderattitude1 -not cheap.

[hchays]

I have never heard of dealer removing a cat convertor. I know the older Spyders had the cat in the muffler and they would do that. This is one reason that they made the muffler and the cat seperate. You must have a special dealer to help you void your factory warranty. Most if not all dealers will tell you it will void the warranty, not to mention if you live in an area where the Spyder has to pass a smog test (or will in the future) it will fail.

[crazyspyder]

I have never heard of dealer removing a cat convertor. I know the older Spyders had the cat in the muffler and they would do that. This is one reason that they made the muffler and the cat seperate. You must have a special dealer to help you void your factory warranty. Most if not all dealers will tell you it will void the warranty, not to mention if you live in an area where the Spyder has to pass a smog test (or will in the future) it will fail.
:lecturef_smilie:Does not void warranty, my spyder has been at the dealer for 2 weeks doing repairs and all covered by BRP. throttle body replaced and water pump seals and 2 new header seals installed. if your in a state that requires cats- then it's a no brainer but still has nothing to do with warranty! here in TEXAS no cats are required and no noise restrictions.:yes: peace....:2thumbs:

[hchays]

Let me rephrase... It may not "void the warranty", but unless you have a flexible dealer they can and possibly will use it against you if anything goes wrong with the engine. It is a mod that is not recommended by BRP and that is all they need to say no to a repair. To everyone that has a good dealer congrats! To those of us who have not so good/flexible dealers ask before you do. Sometimes it's better to ask for permission than ask for forgiveness.

[Magdave]

:lecturef_smilie:Does not void warranty, my spyder has been at the dealer for 2 weeks doing repairs and all covered by BRP. throttle body replaced and water pump seals and 2 new header seals installed. if your in a state that requires cats- then it's a no brainer but still has nothing to do with warranty! here in TEXAS no cats are required and no noise restrictions.:yes: peace....:2thumbs:

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html


Tampering may include, but is not limited to:


Removing the catalytic converter, air pump, and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve, or doing anything to keep them from working properly, such as disconnecting vacuum lines and electrical or mechanical parts of the pollution control system.
Adjusting any element of a car or truck's emission control design so that it no longer meets the manufacturer's specifications.
Installing a replacement part that is not the same in design and function as the part that was originally on the vehicle.
Adding a part that was not originally certified on the car, such as installing a turbocharger.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) anti-tampering enforcement policy is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. 1A (http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/admem1a.pdf).http://www.tceq.texas.gov/assets/public/sitewide/exit.gif (http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/help/policies/linking_policy.html) This policy states that the EPA will not consider any modification to a certified configuration to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis that emissions are not adversely affected. A certified configuration is an engine or engine-chassis design that has been certified or approved by the EPA to meet certain emission standards prior to the production of vehicles with that specific design. Evidence of federally approved testing must be available upon request.

[crazyspyder]

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html


Tampering may include, but is not limited to:


Removing the catalytic converter, air pump, and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve, or doing anything to keep them from working properly, such as disconnecting vacuum lines and electrical or mechanical parts of the pollution control system.
Adjusting any element of a car or truck's emission control design so that it no longer meets the manufacturer's specifications.
Installing a replacement part that is not the same in design and function as the part that was originally on the vehicle.
Adding a part that was not originally certified on the car, such as installing a turbocharger.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) anti-tampering enforcement policy is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. 1A (http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/admem1a.pdf).http://www.tceq.texas.gov/assets/public/sitewide/exit.gif (http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/help/policies/linking_policy.html) This policy states that the EPA will not consider any modification to a certified configuration to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis that emissions are not adversely affected. A certified configuration is an engine or engine-chassis design that has been certified or approved by the EPA to meet certain emission standards prior to the production of vehicles with that specific design. Evidence of federally approved testing must be available upon request.

:read:with due respect sir, I lived in texas all my life and there has never been any laws passed on motorcycles requiring catalytic converters. this article reflects motor vehicles and does not state anything about motorcycles in particular.:cheers:

[Magdave]

:read:with due respect sir, I lived in texas all my life and there has never been any laws passed on motorcycles requiring catalytic converters. this article reflects motor vehicles and does not state anything about motorcycles in particular.:cheers:

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/420f03045.pdf

In motor vehicles, the catalytic converter is an anti-pollution device that changes toxic byproducts of burning fuel into gases naturally. Some drivers hope that by eradicating the converter you can boost performance whilst others seek to replace converters with parts of normal exhaust pipes in effort of avoiding extra costs. Those actions are against the Texas state law and any violators are charged with up to $25,000 fine.

Highway Motorcycles -- Exhaust Emission Standards


Year

Class

Engine Size
(cc)

HC
(g/km)

HC + NOx
(g/km)

CO
(g/km)

Useful Lifea

Warrantya



Federal

1978-2005

I

50-169

5.0

-

12.0

5 / 12,000

5 / 12,000



II

170-279

-

5 / 18,000

5 / 18,000



III

280+

-

5 / 30,000

5 / 30,000



2006+

I-Ab

< 50

-

-

-

5 / 6,000

5 / 6,000



I-Bb

50-169

1.0

1.4c

12.0

5 / 12,000

5 / 12,000



II

170-279

1.0

1.4c

12.0

5 / 18,000

5 / 18,000



2006-2009

III
(Tier 1)

280+

-

1.4

12.0

5 / 30,000

5 / 30,000



2010+

III
(Tier 2)

280+

-

0.8

12.0

5 / 30,000

5 / 30,000




Notes:
General applicability: These standards apply to 1978 and later model year, new gasoline-fueled motorcycles built after December 31, 1977, and to 1990 and later model year, new, methanol-fueled motorcycles built after December 31, 1989, and to 1997 and later model year, new, natural gas-fueled and liquefied petroleum gas-fueled motorcycles built after December 31, 1996, and to 2006 and later model year new motorcycles regardless of fuel.
a Useful life and warranty period are expressed in years and kilometers, whichever comes first.
b Starting with the 2006 model year EPA re-defined Class I to include motorcycles with engines smaller than 50 cubic centimeters. These new previously unregulated vehicles are Class I-A, and the pre-existing Class I became Class I-B.
c This is an optional standard that allows manufacturers to average their emissions or transfer emission credits across classes.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/standards/light-duty/motorcycles.htm

In the long and dry read which is the EPA's Control of Emissions From Highway Motorcycles, the most misunderstood and eyebrow-raising passages regard special exceptions for "Custom Motorcycles" and "Motorcycle Kits." The latter of these aroused the most confusion and ire because bike owners would be limited to only one Kit Bike in their lifetime. This provision led to much speculation and rumor that riders could only own one custom bike in their lifetime.
The 2004 EPA rules specify that riders can own a bike, built from parts by themselves or others, which is exempt from EPA emissions requirements. What defines the machine a Kit Bike, is that the owner can legally ride the non-emissions-compliant machine as much as they want. The catch, of course, being every rider is entitled to just the one Kit Bike in their lifetime.

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/touring-models/448355-legal-to-remove-catalytic-converter-on-2010-a.html

[OldCowboy]

http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/mobilesource/vetech/tampering.html

Tampering may include, but is not limited to:


Removing the catalytic converter, air pump, and exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) valve, or doing anything to keep them from working properly, such as disconnecting vacuum lines and electrical or mechanical parts of the pollution control system.
Adjusting any element of a car or truck's emission control design so that it no longer meets the manufacturer's specifications.
Installing a replacement part that is not the same in design and function as the part that was originally on the vehicle.
Adding a part that was not originally certified on the car, such as installing a turbocharger.

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) anti-tampering enforcement policy is covered under the provisions of Mobile Source Enforcement Memorandum No. 1A (http://www.epa.gov/Compliance/resources/policies/civil/caa/mobile/admem1a.pdf).http://www.tceq.texas.gov/assets/public/sitewide/exit.gif (http://www.tceq.texas.gov/airquality/help/policies/linking_policy.html) This policy states that the EPA will not consider any modification to a certified configuration to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis that emissions are not adversely affected. A certified configuration is an engine or engine-chassis design that has been certified or approved by the EPA to meet certain emission standards prior to the production of vehicles with that specific design. Evidence of federally approved testing must be available upon request.

It appears that the Texas regulations apply to cars and trucks but not motorcycles.

[Highwayman2013]

If my Spyder was off warranty I would take the converter off.

[NancysToy]

Rust is pretty unusual on stainless steel pipes. discoloration, maybe, but not rust. Buy whatever product you think is best, but the possibility of rust is not a valid consideration in this case.

[DrewNJ]

Rust is pretty unusual on stainless steel pipes. discoloration, maybe, but not rust. Buy whatever product you think is best, but the possibility of rust is not a valid consideration in this case.


Agreed, good quality pipes are not going to be significantly effected by wrapping. Those pics and stories you hear about pipes rotting out from being wrapped are typically due to crap pipes. The BRP pipes are pretty nice from what I've seen and held in my hand.
I do question the effectiveness of pipe wrapping on the spyder though...but that's just me.

Also, you all worry WAY to much about voiding warranties....Ride more, worry less...

[Omcge]

i was looking around at heat tape for the pipes and i read that titanium heat tape does not hold moisture so no rust can build on the pipes, i found it on e bay and it is not that expensive. i was also looking at cat bypass pipes and found one but it is 400+ is that right ?. does anyone have a site for the bypass pipe and would it void warranty on the bike. i have the BEST warranty so i am covered for years and don't want to have to put the cat back in if something happens. any info will be greatly appreciated
This was my experience with the Cat Bypass that I installed a couple of days ago and this is the email I sent to the manufacturer Spyder Attitudes.
I purchased cat bypass for a 2013 Spyder RT Ltd a couple of wk ago.
and it looks like an amateur had made it.
The tubing that you used was about .06 larger than the stock ,so the dia was about .02 larger than the id of the
muffler. Being that I am a machinist I decided to make it fit rather than send it back and wait a couple of wks. since I
already had it torn down. I hand ground the tube and the muffler until it fit.
Also the flange at the muffler was only tacked and not very good at that so I rewelded it.
The two 3/8” hanger bars were mislocated by about 1/2” side to side and about 1/4” up and down,so I cut them off and
welded in place after final mounting.
I spent about an extra 6 hr reworking and making it fit.

Very poor quality and quality control :shocked:

Larry

[Spyder4Tess]

It may not "void the warranty", but unless you have a flexible dealer they can and possibly will use it against you if anything goes wrong with the engine. It is a mod that is not recommended by BRP and that is all they need to say no to a repair.
I agree.
It may be up to the dealers discretion and or a warranty rep. if sent out for an inspection.

I took my '11 FLHTK in to the dealer recently for engine running issues.The cat was removed along time ago.
The ESP service contract covered a new ECM,wiring connector repair and about 12 hrs. of trouble shooting.

I was worried about the modified exhaust voiding the warranty but was not a problem.

[cuznjohn]

i would think if your dealer would want to keep your business and his reputation with the people that you know did or might buy bikes from him that he would look the other way on it, but as someone said the other day, if your away and end up at another dealer with a problem would they do the same

[3 Wheel Addict]

John read my post on wrapping the pipes... http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?59531-Adventure-in-wrapping-exhaust-pipes!

[cuznjohn]

John read my post on wrapping the pipes... http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?59531-Adventure-in-wrapping-exhaust-pipes!

looks like a winter job. how long did it take you

[3 Wheel Addict]

looks like a winter job. how long did it take you

6 to 8 hours with no service manual but I learned a lot about taking the bike apart and found 2 other potential problems. Found a oil leak at a banjo bolt for the right side clutch cover and found the oil cooler protection screen gouging into the wiring harness at the upper frame.

[SNOOPY]

This was my experience with the Cat Bypass that I installed a couple of days ago and this is the email I sent to the manufacturer Spyder Attitudes.
I purchased cat bypass for a 2013 Spyder RT Ltd a couple of wk ago.
and it looks like an amateur had made it.
The tubing that you used was about .06 larger than the stock ,so the dia was about .02 larger than the id of the
muffler. Being that I am a machinist I decided to make it fit rather than send it back and wait a couple of wks. since I
already had it torn down. I hand ground the tube and the muffler until it fit.
Also the flange at the muffler was only tacked and not very good at that so I rewelded it.
The two 3/8” hanger bars were mislocated by about 1/2” side to side and about 1/4” up and down,so I cut them off and
welded in place after final mounting.
I spent about an extra 6 hr reworking and making it fit.

Very poor quality and quality control :shocked:

Larry

Thanks for the info. :thumbup:

[jcthorne]

This was my experience with the Cat Bypass that I installed a couple of days ago and this is the email I sent to the manufacturer Spyder Attitudes.
I purchased cat bypass for a 2013 Spyder RT Ltd a couple of wk ago.
and it looks like an amateur had made it.
The tubing that you used was about .06 larger than the stock ,so the dia was about .02 larger than the id of the
muffler. Being that I am a machinist I decided to make it fit rather than send it back and wait a couple of wks. since I
already had it torn down. I hand ground the tube and the muffler until it fit.
Also the flange at the muffler was only tacked and not very good at that so I rewelded it.
The two 3/8” hanger bars were mislocated by about 1/2” side to side and about 1/4” up and down,so I cut them off and
welded in place after final mounting.
I spent about an extra 6 hr reworking and making it fit.

Very poor quality and quality control :shocked:

LarryThis is very unfortunate. I was planning to purchase and install this bypass unit. I have no welding capabilities so cannot do the rework you did. For the price, it should fit.

[Huddleston]

This is very unfortunate. I was planning to purchase and install this bypass unit. I have no welding capabilities so cannot do the rework you did. For the price, it should fit.

JC, Mine fit just fine. If you are still interested, I'd call Karsten and talk to him. He is a nice guy and very helpful.

[MikeinGA]

i was looking around at heat tape for the pipes and i read that titanium heat tape does not hold moisture so no rust can build on the pipes, i found it on e bay and it is not that expensive. i was also looking at cat bypass pipes and found one but it is 400+ is that right?. does anyone have a site for the bypass pipe and would it void warranty on the bike. i have the BEST warranty so i am covered for years and don't want to have to put the cat back in if something happens. any info will be greatly appreciated

The Titanium heat tape I have on my 2011 RS-S SE5 for over 2 yrs. and it looks like new. It works better than all the other header tapes I used in the past and easer to install. I used one 2 inch X 50 ft. roll and I have a little left over. That's IMHO.

Mike

[jthornton]

Have you checked with John?
(Jthornton)
I believe that he's either got one, or is working on it.
If something were to happen to your bike; just pop it back in place before calling the dealer! :thumbup:

I'm still working on it, from what I've heard the one on the market now has alignment issues. I'm building a jig to guarantee perfect alignment every time... work seems to be getting in the way lately.

JT