Here's a look at the 2014 Can-Am Spyder lineup

[Lamonster]

I hated to tease you guys like that but you can click on the first picture to scroll through all 65 of them. I'll answer any questions you have the best I can here.

I will say I am so excited to finally be able to tell you about the 2014 RT. As you can see from the pics we now a 1300cc in-line 3 cylinder motor with 96 lb.-ft of torque at 5000 rpm and 115 hp at 7250 rpm. I can tell you this thing is a torque monster. I've been riding the prototype version of this for the last two years and a couple of weeks ago was able to do some real world testing with my buddy Fred Rau. One of the main things we like is you now have an honest 200 mile+ range with this Spyder before you need to start looking for fuel. The 6th gear was an added bonus and there is so much torque even at 2000 rpm that it didn't really matter what gear you were in around town. I think the guys coming off of Harley's and Goldwing's will be able to shift at the rpm's they're use to.

The other big thing that we've all been talking about is the heat, well there is no heat on the new RT. They moved the radiators up front to where it no longer blows in the engine compartment and they added another radiator for added cooling. If that wasn't enough they also have the fans running in reverse at slow speeds so the air is blown away from the rider.

The other thing you got to love is the new maintenance schedule.

Break-In Inspection 3000 miles
Oil Change 9300 miles
Valve adjustment no longer required
Trans filter 28000 miles
Engine coolant and spark plugs 28000 miles

This will not make the dealers too happy I'm sure but the owners will love it.

2014 Spyder USA retail pricing

Spyder RT SM6 (manual trans)
Colors- Timeless Black and Pearl White
$22,999

Spyder RT SE6 (semi auto trans)
Colors- Timeless Black and Pearl White
$24,449

Spyder RTS SM6 (manual trans)
Colors- Timeless Black - Pearl White - Circuit Yellow Metallic - Cognac
$26,499

Spyder RTS SE6 (semi auto trans)
Colors- Timeless Black - Pearl White - Circuit Yellow Metallic - Cognac
$28,049

Spyder RT Limited SE6 (semi auto trans)
Colors- Blackcurrant - Pearl White - Silver Platinum Satin- Cognac
$30,499

Looks like more information is out there now so I'll post the links here for you all. :doorag:
2014 Youtube Videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/CanAmSpyderTeam/videos)
MotorcycleUSA (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/731/17020/Motorcycle-Article/2014-Can-Am-Spyder-RT-Gets-New-Inline-Triple.aspx)
Rider Magazine
(http://www.ridermagazine.com/top-stories/2014-can-am-spyder-rt-first-ride-review.htm/)

http://youtu.be/XgVXrF4xvB0

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75770&d=1379289008 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=3070&attachmentid=75769)

[Mo Lee]

You got me to look!

[arntufun]

A picture is worth a 1000 words but a test drive is worth 10,000 words. :doorag:

[Bob Denman]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_19_5.gif Here I was; thinking that THIS might make up for the way that my Friday the 13th went... :gaah:
(Steady P1614, and the orange screen of death! :yikes:)

[Cruzr Joe]

Made me look :sour:

[Chupaca]

You will get hits with this post...!! :roflblack:

[eddieshep999]

Well it will be posted on this post as soon as I have the okay to do so. :yes::2excited:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75621&d=1379111092

Its either so fast now (Turbo) they haven't been able to capture it on film or
the bright light in the background is heat coming off the model before it comes into focus let's hope not

[FaranH]

:lecturef_smilie: Not nice!




;)

[PW2013STL]

Its either so fast now (Turbo) they haven't been able to capture it on film or
the bright light in the background is heat coming off the model before it comes into focus let's hope not

LOL:joke::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[flamingobabe]

what a tease:wrong:

[DR Buck]

A chicken little story. The sky is falling. :roflblack:

[Bob Denman]

what a tease:wrong:

:agree: 75635

[DriftersWay]

That was just mean :mad: But good:bowdown:

[Spyder601]

That was so dirty! But so funny!

[8 legs nz]

:lecturef_smilie: Not nice!




;)

You tell him Faran
:dontknow: :lecturef_smilie:

[billrob71]

75641




75640

[OldCowboy]

You are a mean, mean person! :lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie:

[asp125]

Tease!

[BajaRon]

:lecturef_smilie: Not nice!




;)

My intended post EXACTLY!

[MrLooney]

what a tease:wrong:



+ 1 up :(

[lyonsden]

Made me look too!:lecturef_smilie:

[M109Dreamer]

Aweee man, Boooooooooooooo!

[SpyRyd]

Gonna keep my trouble-free 2012 RT Ltd...not interested in the 14s...but I still wanna see 'em...so, of course, I opened this thread...expect a few thousand others will view it between now and Sunday night.

[Highwayman2013]

You big tease!:banghead:

[PaSpyderRyder]

Well it will be posted on this post as soon as I have the okay to do so. :yes::2excited:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75621&d=1379111092

Ok Lamont, Did BRP put you up to that :ohyea:

[Wiredux]

I am actually headed to my dealer in 10 minutes. I'm gonna see what info I can get out of them.

[SNOOPY]

Made me look :sour:


Made me look too!:lecturef_smilie:



I didn't look. :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwKRM_835uk

[NancysToy]

:roflblack: I can hear my little brother right now, "Nya, nya, made ya look!"

[Bob Denman]

So now we need to know :shocked:...
Do we go to BRP's website at the annointed hour?
Or do we come here? :dontknow:

[Olddood]

Gotta say....I took a PEEK..... Good One

[Flanker]

Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!!!! Paybacks........................................;)

[Mike,P]

What's the reveal date ????

[FIRECAT]

What's the reveal date ????
Show is today right so you will post these sometime this afternoon? And with that title in the picture that tilting platform must be going to be released??? So what time LaMotte are you putting the picks up?

[TexAmRider]

How Cruel, ;) But what a way to get everyones attention. I'm excited to. I'm going to look into a 2013 trade to the 2014. After I test Drive it !! :clap:

[chris56]

as you know we here in Europe are always eight hours in front of you all :yikes: I have to offer my perfect RT in the moment - if someone is intrested ?? ...

[mxz600]

Here's a video of BRP's 2014 lineup.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1hjYJk4Zh0

[DR Buck]

Here's a video of BRP's 2014 lineup.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1hjYJk4Zh0




Darn things look like somebody took a Spyder and replaced the wheels with skis. :roflblack:
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[Yfactor]

:yikes: Got me, I looked

[Dib52]

Was at the dealer today, from what we talked about, there's some engine news coming(like 1400cc)! 3 wheels need 3 cylinders, just saying....

[Lamonster]

I will edit the first post when I can. :yes::2excited::popcorn:

[jwulf74]

Make time go faster... :pray:

:joke:

[BajaRon]

I will edit the first post when I can. :yes::2excited::popcorn:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fWyzwo1xg0

[OJ UK]

Thanks a bunch from the UK!!:clap:

75653

[ARtraveler]

:lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie::lecturef_smilie : Now that was just mean. :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[spydermyke990]

even if its a completely new motor, i'm not planning on trading my sts in for anything at least for the next couple of years, at least by then they will have clean out whatever bugs the new model might have.:popcorn:

[Bob Denman]

I will edit the first post when I can. :yes::2excited::popcorn:
So that sets it; We meet here at 800 PM eastern time... :thumbup:

Now let's set a record for getting the most SpyderLovers in the room at once! :2thumbs: :yes::yes::yes:

[Lucky Luke]

Well it will be posted on this post as soon as I have the okay to do so. :yes::2excited:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75621&d=1379111092
It's okay Brp is releasing the new 2014 lineup on there website 09/15/2014 which is tomorrow. As advertised.:rolleyes:

[BonesDT]

So that sets it; We meet here at 800 PM eastern time... :thumbup:


Registering & Subscribing!

[DJFaninTN]

welp .... my first post and here I am sitting here waiting ... :doorag:

[Papa]

It's okay Brp is releasing the new 2014 lineup on there website 09/15/2014 which is tomorrow. As advertised.:rolleyes:

That's a year from now. Hopefully they will post tomorrow😆


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[BajaRon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjfOZiWVbA

[SNOOPY]

HURRY UP!




:roflblack:

[Bob Denman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUo1PgKksgw

[Wiredux]

Can't wait !

[Bob Denman]

I can't wait to see how many folks show up! :2thumbs: :chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::c hat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::cha t::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat: :chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::c hat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::chat::cha t:

[BajaRon]

Is it time yet?

[Bob Denman]

eleven hours and forty one minutes...

[FIRECAT]

I will edit the first post when I can. :yes::2excited::popcorn:
And when did BRP said you could send those pictures

[spydermyke990]

ho hum, i'm just gonna get some things done, and then go for a little ride, on my sts which is still new at 1800 miles , and the master cylinder hasn't even melted off yet.:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

[Bob Denman]

Thank goodness for NASCAR and the NFL... They'll help to keep me occupied until the nechanted hour arrives... :shocked:

[Trickie Dick]

ho hum, i'm just gonna get some things done, and then go for a little ride, on my sts which is still new at 1800 miles , and the master cylinder hasn't even melted off yet.:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

:thumbup: I like your attitude. :firstplace:

[Bob Denman]

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_12.gif
I don't THINK so...
But if I were to mention that the 2014s are being announced tonight at 8:00 pm; she would SWEAR (:gaah::cus::gaah::cus::gaah::cus:), that I rigged the bike to do this just because I wanted a new and improved RT... :shocked: nojoke

[Bob Denman]

Eight hours and counting!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfB63ln1Ig

[lookerjdc]

are we there yet? are we there yet?

[Bob Denman]

I showed the "sneak peek" pics to The Missus, and she said to make a deal...
:yes::ohyea::yes::ohyea::yes:

[finless]

I showed the "sneak peek" pics to The Missus, and she said to make a deal...
:yes::ohyea::yes::ohyea::yes:

So the big question is..... Are you going to pay to get your TB fixed before trade in?

Bob

[Bob Denman]

That will certainly become a major part of the discussions...

[FIRECAT]

Two new things coming for sure the electric highbred model and the tilting mechanism on the RSS will they be both be released today Lamont ????

[Bob Denman]

Less than tow and a half hours to go!! :yes::2excited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRPnBf6MZ9Q

[Dan McNally]

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?:trike:

[Bob Denman]

Those photos were in here earllier; they got yanked... :shocked:

[SteveMac]

I showed the "sneak peek" pics to The Missus, and she said to make a deal...
:yes::ohyea::yes::ohyea::yes:



well don't delay. Act tomorrow!!!!:2thumbs:

[PrairieSpyder]

Pitbull had posted pics on Facebook and I copied them to here. Then I saw in another thread that they should not be posted. So I removed them.


Can't wait for something official and including specs, etc.

[DJFaninTN]

http://i52.tinypic.com/2ztd5y0.jpg

[Lamonster]

Take a look at the first post again. :doorag:

[Wiredux]

What no green!!!!!


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[exwinger]

I must be doing something wrong , same pic no matter which one I click on ? All luggage rack pics .

Gotta hand it to you Lamont for being able to be so close lipped about the BRP products , but then I guess that's why they trust you so much.....congrats. I'd sure love to have that power pack in my machine for sure.

[DJFaninTN]

me likey the new lower maintenance on the Limited. AND .... they claim it's cooler and less RPM's as well.

now they've gone and done it and I was all ready to pull the trigger on a 13' model.

[Whitetail]

Really, a new motor and transmission after i just bought my 2012 FFFFFFFF. I hope that RS-S VSS Update works on the older models as well. I am really digging that sport fender and will be buying one. But man, i'd have loved to have that new motor and trans, Or maybe not, I'm hoping all the bugs are worked out of mine.

Please tell me that new side panel for the RSS will fit a 2012. Any word on pricing of the sport fender?

[flamingobabe]

thanks for sharing your info...looks like the RT is the big deal this year...go RT

[Tango]

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/731/17020/Motorcycle-Article/2014-Can-Am-Spyder-RT-Gets-New-Inline-Triple.aspx

I hope this works. All new machine. :thumbup: Tom :trike:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: Wow!

beyond that; I've been rendered speechless! :shocked:

[Firefly]

No supercharger? :-(

So all 2014 RT's are the new engine?

Sounds pretty cool..... but will the price be painfull?


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[ViperWolf]

What's the change in pricing?

[SteveMac]

Take a look at the first post again. :doorag:

Looks good. I like the look of the blade wheels.

Glad they finally came out with the larger displacement engine with more torque. That should help.

And it looks like they made a real attempt to resolve the heat issues. I scrolled thru the pics. Is the improved air flow and dual radiator standard on all models or only the RT?

All in all looks like they may have a winner. :thumbup:

[spyder-dude]

Look at the link above at motorcycle-usa and it has all of the pricing listed. Man I think I need to tradein my STS. :(

[Dan McNally]

Wow! Love the new RT

[daveinva]

Okay, count me as genuinely impressed with the new RT engine. :bowdown:

And jealous. VERY jealous. :mad:

But seriously, those specs are awesome. Yeah, the HP and torque are great-- as Lamont said, BRP will lure in all the HD and GW riders with that engine, no doubt about that.

But what really floored me was both the range improvements AND the service improvements. Holy heck, those numbers are amazing. 200+ miles a tank is plenty fine. And nearly 10,000 miles between oil changes?! That's incredible.

And the cooling improvements... Lamont, you gotta tell us how that works in practice. *Two* radiators now?

BTW, I take it that the redesigned fronts for the RS and ST are there to add ventilation, right? Sure looks like it. Also, any word on how that "sport VSS" works in practice?

Oh, one final thing: looks like BRP took my advice at the Owner's Event, there's a factory top case now! :yes:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?54224-What-are-the-odds-BRP-Focus-Group-at-Owner-s-Event

Now, if only they had added the British Racing Green... oh well, next year!

[Wiredux]

Here I was thinking it was going to be a big changes in the RS-S. wonder if they will offer the bigger engine in the RS or ST. If not maybe I should go and grab the 2012 at the dealer.

[Sny]

So the 2014 RT seems to have solved the heat issues of the 2013 RT's... moved and added radiators, new engine etc.

But the 2014 ST is exactly the same? So they still haven't resolved the overheating issues...

It doesn't look like they intend to put this engine into the 2015 ST either. Hm.

Kinda disappointed. But the new RT seems like a huge improvement if you're into the caddy feel.

[stevedfive]

The new RT looks amazing, unfortunately my pension check won't allow me to upgrade. :banghead:

I will be very envyoius of those of you who get a 2014.

[spyder-dude]

Just found all of the new videos for the new products. https://www.youtube.com/user/CanAmSpyderTeam/videos

Enjoy!

Later,

Shawn

[PrairieSpyder]

I hated to tease you guys like that but you can click on the first picture to scroll through all 65 of them. I'll answer any questions you have the best I can here.

I will say I am so excited to finally be able to tell you about the 2014 RT. As you can see from the pics we now a 1300cc in-line 3 cylinder motor with 96 lb.-ft of torque at 5000 rpm and 115 hp at 7250 rpm. I can tell you this thing is a torque monster. I've been riding the prototype version of this for the last two years and a couple of weeks ago was able to do some real world testing with my buddy Fred Rau. One of the main things we like is you now have an honest 200 mile+ range with this Spyder before you need to start looking for fuel. The 6th gear was an added bonus and there is so much torque even at 2000 rpm that it didn't really matter what gear you were in around town. I think the guys coming off of Harley's and Goldwing's will be able to shift at the rpm's they're use to.

The other big thing that we've all been talking about is the heat, well there is no heat on the new RT. They moved the radiators up front to where it no longer blows in the engine compartment and they added another radiator for added cooling. If that wasn't enough they also have the fans running in reverse at slow speeds so the air is blown away from the rider.

The other thing you got to love is the new maintenance schedule.

Break-In Inspection 3000 miles
Oil Change 9300 miles
Valve adjustment no longer required
Trans filter 28000 miles
Engine coolant and spark plugs 28000 miles

This will not make the dealers too happy I'm sure but the owners will love it.

I want to post this now so I'll edit it as I go so check back.


Is the added range from better mpg or a bigger tank?

I'd love to test ryde one.

[txroadrunner]

darn. they got rid of the blue.

[JJW SpyderRider]

After the issues with the '13 I was not thinking about getting another Spyder :dontknow: But BRP has answered many of our Spyder wish list that I think one is in my future. :thumbup: May not be a '14 but I most likely have one in a year or so.

Thank you BRP :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[cohoff]

What's the change in pricing?

The prices for all the 2014's are in the lower right hand margin on Tango's link
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/731/17...ne-Triple.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/731/17020/Motorcycle-Article/2014-Can-Am-Spyder-RT-Gets-New-Inline-Triple.aspx)

[cuznjohn]

ok i am now upset with the new motor and trans. but with a new 2013 what can i do so whoever is ordering one BEST OF LUCK

[SpyderAnn01]

I can't decide between a White RTS-SM6 or a Yellow RTS-SM6. What do you think?

[Dustybell]

darn. they got rid of the blue.

:wrong: I may be in the minority, but the new RT-S colors are just not working for me. :sour:

[Wiredux]

Not to happy about most of the colors. I do like the black and white though.

[Lamonster]

But the 2014 ST is exactly the same? So they still haven't resolved the overheating issues...



The new panels help flow more air and I'm sure there have been other changes not mentioned.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75758&d=1379288980 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=3070&attachmentid=75757)

[FaranH]

2014 Spyder RS SM5 (manual transmission)$14,900
2014 Spyder RS SE5 (semi-automatic transmission) $16,399
2014 Spyder RS-S SM5 (manual transmission)$18,099
2014 Spyder RS-S SE5 (semi-automatic transmission) $19,599
2014 Spyder ST SM5 (manual transmission) $18,999
2014 Spyder ST SE5 (semi-automatic transmission) $20,499
2014 Spyder ST-S SM5 (manual transmission)$20,349
2014 Spyder ST-S SE5 (semi-automatic transmission) $22,049
2014 Spyder ST Limited SE5 (semi-automatic transmission) $24,849
2014 Spyder RT SM6 (manual transmission) $22,999
2014 Spyder RT SE6 (semi-automatic transmission) $24,499
2014 Spyder RT-S SM6 (manual transmission) $26,449
2014 Spyder RT-S SE6 (semi-automatic transmission) $28,049
2014 Spyder RT Limited SE6 (semi-automatic transmission) $30,499

[Rando]

2014 Spyder RT Limited SE6 (semi-automatic transmission) $30,499 :shocked: I think I will wait for my Elio! nojoke

[Tango]

Wife and I are hooked! Big time! :thumbup: Everything we had hoped for, and then some. Engine, tranny, redesigned, increased cooling. Lamont I do have a question about the heated seat. Is it only on the optional seat? Does it run much cooler? Thanks, Tom. :thumbup: :trike:

[Illinois Boy]

75804

Got to love the stats for the new engine on the dyno chart. This lower rpm torque is going to make a lot of people happy, especially those who do not like a higher-rev engine.

Smart move by BRP.

[frankj64155]

We'll have to wait before upgrading. Just got my wife's 2013 RT Limited 2 weeks ago. Upgrades do look nice though.

[spydaman60]

I can't decide between a White RTS-SM6 or a Yellow RTS-SM6. What do you think?yellows hot!!! ooops!:roflblack:

[Bob Denman]

Well, I've got to see the dealer this week anyway... :thumbup:

[SteveMac]

I can't decide between a White RTS-SM6 or a Yellow RTS-SM6. What do you think?


I think you can't go wrong with either color Ann. White may be more "classy" yellow may be more "snazzy"! What mood are you in? :yes:

[spydaman60]

Well, I've got to see the dealer this week anyway... :thumbup: go for it bob. get your order in early!!!!:thumbup:

[bscrive]

I wonder if there will be problems with the center cylinder heating up too much and failing. I have seen a lot of problems in the past with inline 3 cylinders and that was with open engines. I for one will wait to make sure that the engine will perform as stated. There was a lot of hoopla last year with the ST's and then we saw the problems arise. I really hope this engine does well and is in all the lines later on. :popcorn:

[Orange monster]

Lamont - Do you have any idea if the VSS updates on the 2014 RS-S will be available as an upgrade for us 2013 owners? Would really love a little bit less Nanny interaction!:pray:

[OJ UK]

Ummmm.....Lamont....Do you think it would be just teeensy bit premature if I asked
what was on the BRP menu for 2015?
I would really, really like to see that triple in an RS-S, now that would spell oodles of fun!!
Back to reality.
OK! So you said that the new rear fender on the 2014 is retro-fittable to the older RS-S models...Great!!
Is the new VSS programming also going to be available to owners of older RS-S machines?
There are a few of us in the UK/ Europe where twisty roads are the norm rather than the exception
who would really appreciate some more latitude in the handling before 'Nanny' gets her knickers in a knot!

[MarkLawson]

What about the audio system on the RT? Anything different there? There's certainly room for BIG improvements!

[OJ UK]

I wonder if there will be problems with the center cylinder heating up too much and failing. I have seen a lot of problems in the past with inline 3 cylinders and that was with open engines. I for one will wait to make sure that the engine will perform as stated. There was a lot of hoopla last year with the ST's and then we saw the problems arise. I really hope this engine does well and is in all the lines later on. :popcorn:

It has to be remembered that this is a fluid cooled motor and if the cooling system is adequate then no such problems should exist.
I'm old enough to remember both the Triumph Trident and the BSA Rocket Three which both suffered center cylinder overheating problems,
but it has to be remembered that these were air-cooled motors and even the later Triumphs in the guise of the T160V overcame the problem
as did Laverda in Italy.
With modern engine technology there should be absolutely no such difficulties any more than with say a modern four cylinder car engine.

[Bob Denman]

1473 users online in here right now! :yes:

we'll be looking at that orange Limited! :2thumbs:

[SpyderGTL]

Love the specs on the new RT. That should really attract the Goldwing / Ultra Classic crowd. Just wish they would put the new higher horsepower/longer range engine/transmission in their Sport Tourer version. The wife would probably have been at the dealer tomorrow to place an order for the ST had it come with the new engine, trading in her 2011 RT-S Limited. She would love to be on a sport tourer that will mostly keep up with my sport tourer, rather than having to stop for gas twice as often. Maybe in 2015, Can Am will turn the ST into a real sport tourer with plenty of horsepower and long legs?!? It looks like the 2014 RT is the Robust Tourer and the 2014 ST is now the Short Tourer, in comparison.

[StanProff]

Well, I've got to see the dealer this week anyway... :thumbup:

Man, I thought I was very happy with my '10 RT S. Had a great ride today and this thing preformed so well that I was saying to myself that it couldn't be any better, now they gotta go and do a 1300 inline 3. Crap. I gotta figure out a way to stay away from my dealer for sure. Don't like th new colors at all though.

[Lamonster]

What about the audio system on the RT? Anything different there? There's certainly room for BIG improvements!
I don't recall any mention of upgrades.


Ummmm.....Lamont....Do you think it would be just teeensy bit premature if I asked
what was on the BRP menu for 2015?
I would really, really like to see that triple in an RS-S, now that would spell oodles of fun!!
Back to reality.
OK! So you said that the new rear fender on the 2014 is retro-fittable to the older RS-S models...Great!!
Is the new VSS programming also going to be available to owners of older RS-S machines?
There are a few of us in the UK/ Europe where twisty roads are the norm rather than the exception
who would really appreciate some more latitude in the handling before 'Nanny' gets her knickers in a knot!
Can't say what's on the board for 2015, just have to wait and see. The VSS can not be reprogrammed on any other models.


Lamont - Do you have any idea if the VSS updates on the 2014 RS-S will be available as an upgrade for us 2013 owners? Would really love a little bit less Nanny interaction!:pray:
The VSS can not be reprogrammed on any other models.




Got to love the stats for the new engine on the dyno chart. This lower rpm torque is going to make a lot of people happy, especially those who do not like a higher-rev engine.

Smart move by BRP.
That's one of the first things you'll notice. Pretty much pulls hard from 2000 rpm on up. :thumbup:


Wife and I are hooked! Big time! :thumbup: Everything we had hoped for, and then some. Engine, tranny, redesigned, increased cooling. Lamont I do have a question about the heated seat. Is it only on the optional seat? Does it run much cooler? Thanks, Tom. :thumbup: :trike:
My last ride was in the 90's and heat from the bike was a non issue.

[spydaman60]

1473 users online in here right now! :yes:

we'll be looking at that orange Limited! :2thumbs:cognac!!!!!cognac!!!!:roflblack::roflblac k:

[G-Man]

Yep...we're looking...casually. :doorag:

[Spyderal11]

I like a lot of things on the new ones can't wait to ride one.:yes:

[SpyderDen]

Now I'm thinking

[StanProff]

I might be able to hold off a while if they don't offer a blue one. Can't help it, I like blue.

[Farmbanker]

I love what I am seeing but I usually will not buy the first model year of anything. However, kudos to anyone who does. That motor sounds exactly like what I want. Lamont, my wife asked about how it sounds. A smoother purr getting closer to the sound of a Wing?


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[Whitetail]

Lamonster: any idea on pricing on the sport fender, and can the new RS-S panels be retrofitted to an older RSS?

[JkRbbt]

Have to admit that I do like the changes, more torque, better range and better air flow. It's nice that BRP "tested the engine for 3 yrs". I hope those that buy have good luck. I was under the impression that they may have "tested the airflow" on the 2013s before they were sent to new homes, but I must have been WRONG!

Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy riding my RT, but I am a bit concerned that my $30M investment will probably tank, now that BRP ADMITS there WAS a bit of an air flow/heat problem. I understand that improvements are made each year, but why do I feel as tho I have purchased a 2013 CHEVETTE???? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[SpyderDen]

Most everything we asked for.

[bscrive]

It has to be remembered that this is a fluid cooled motor and if the cooling system is adequate then no such problems should exist.
I'm old enough to remember both the Triumph Trident and the BSA Rocket Three which both suffered center cylinder overheating problems,
but it has to be remembered that these were air-cooled motors and even the later Triumphs in the guise of the T160V overcame the problem
as did Laverda in Italy.
With modern engine technology there should be absolutely no such difficulties any more than with say a modern four cylinder car engine.

I really hope so. I would like to see this engine in the STS so that my wife wouldn't have to stop for gas so much when we go riding. She loves the STS and wants to buy one in a couple of years. An engine like this would be the cats meow if it lives up to the hype.

[Lamonster]

Lamonster: any idea on pricing on the sport fender, and can the new RS-S panels be retrofitted to an older RSS?
I have not seen the pricing on the fender yet, sorry.


I love what I am seeing but I usually will not buy the first model year of anything. However, kudos to anyone who does. That motor sounds exactly like what I want. Lamont, my wife asked about how it sounds. A smoother purr getting closer to the sound of a Wing?


It has a very unique sound. Pretty tame compared to a v-twin.

[Dan McNally]

Have to admit that I do like the changes, more torque, better range and better air flow. It's nice that BRP "tested the engine for 3 yrs". I hope those that buy have good luck. I was under the impression that they may have "tested the airflow" on the 2013s before they were sent to new homes, but I must have been WRONG!

Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy riding my RT, but I am a bit concerned that my $30M investment will probably tank, now that BRP ADMITS there WAS a bit of an air flow/heat problem. I understand that improvements are made each year, but why do I feel as tho I have purchased a 2013 CHEVETTE???? :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

You thought it was an investment? I thought it was a toy when I bought mine . . . still do and I still plan to have fun with it.

[PrairieSpyder]

When will they hit the showrooms?

[Spyder_Cowgirl]

I can't decide between a White RTS-SM6 or a Yellow RTS-SM6. What do you think?

Ann .... go with the white! Blank canvas to work with ... add whatever you like (wrap, paint, etc).

Best Regards .... Ann (yeah, it's me again ... with no "e")

[BumbleBee]

maybe now is the time for BumbleBee to upgrade,,,we will see :yes: :yes: :yes:

[dannyg]

Was all ready to buy a 2013 Limited tomorrow but man the 2014 looks like a sure winner. Sure it's always a bit of a risk to dive into the first model year but is it really more of a risk than the 2013?


Huge price difference of course and I'm sure that the 2.9% financing won't be there. Wonder if the right mix is to buy the 2013 then trade up a year from now to the 2014 when the September sales hit?


Regardless, nice nice job by BRP.

[stevedfive]

The new RT has a 6.9 gal gas tank.

[Bob Denman]

Ann,
Go for the White one; yellow didn't work out so well... :shocked:

[dannyg]

They just bumped the promotion for older models to include a 4yr warranty while holding the financing at 2.9% and 3k in rebates.

[KAPike]

Was all ready to buy a 2013 Limited tomorrow but man the 2014 looks like a sure winner. Wonder if the right mix is to buy the 2013 then trade up a year from now to the 2014 when the September sales hit?

Regardless, nice nice job by BRP.

I wouldn't touch a 2013 if they were giving them away. Way too many heat issues for 2103. Way too many improvements for 2014.

[Ex-Rocket]

I'm so glad they came out with the inline 3 cylinder 1330 cc, but wish they had gone the full distance and put the inline 2300cc Triumph Rocket engine in there. My last bike was the Triumph Rocket and damn it was fast and powerful. But in all the 2014's look impressive. Lets hope the new design, engine, trans, etc meet to expectations. Time will tell but I'm impressed. Now I wish I had waited until the 2014's to buy one.

[Bob Denman]

Rotax builds the engines: Bombardier (now BRP), builds the toys...
That's the way that it's worked for about fifty years. :thumbup:

[OldDog]

I'm exited to see the new models! It looks like heat is being addressed, most notably with the new RT's.

Lamont, it says that the new 2014 ST side panels will improve airflow and will fit all ST models. The question that comes up in my mind is "will the owner of a 2013 ST be required to purchase new side panels to solve his/her heat problem or will this be an addition to the recall? I think that is a legitimate question.

I may be going out on a limb , but I may have a Black 2014 ST-SE5 next summer. My wife and I have been talkng about it some more. :thumbup:

[Lamonster]

I'm exited to see the new models! It looks like heat is being addressed, most notably with the new RT's.

Lamont, it says that the new 2014 ST side panels will improve airflow and will fit all ST models. The question that comes up in my mind is "will the owner of a 2013 ST be required to purchase new side panels to solve his/her heat problem or will this be an addition to the recall? I think that is a legitimate question.

I may be going out on a limb , but I may have a Black 2014 ST-SE5 next summer. My wife and I have been talkng about it some more. :thumbup:

I have no idea. :dontknow:

[ViperWolf]

Is it true that the new models will be available much sooner than prior new model year Spyders?

Hey old dog, where did you read that the new side panels will fit on the 13 models?

Thanx!

[lookerjdc]

may be time for traddein / trade up

Cognac here I come.....

[Lamonster]

Is it true that the new models will be available much sooner than prior new model year Spyders?

I've heard rumors just like you but I'm not sure.

[harrypottar]

One of the reasons I purchased a 2012 was the lava bronze, I love the lava color. It would be very hard to give that up, but 6 speed, 1330 engine may be too much to not upgrade. Can you confirm with the SE6, we no longer have to worry about engine damage shifting too early. If that's the case I'm sold. Can see me in one of these next spring.

harry

[Sarge707]

22,999 for the base RT is what I,m thinking!! By next Nov it will be 20,000 :clap:???

BRP has had 1500cc Triples inside JetSki Hulls for 11 Years from 155-260 HP with NO 3 Cylinder problems!!!nojoke

[billrob71]

Big hats off to Lamonster and BRP


Lamonster for posting up the pics and info

And to BRP for up-grades on the RT, they needed little more power and the extra gear for the longer drives and the improved cooling.

And BIG thanks for not doing anything power plant wise and no green on the RSS this year because I would end up in divorce court when I was to tell the wife gotta trade my new bike in on a new one. :chill: Like the wheels and the improved body looks nice but colors are OK.

[thedonva]

Lamont - were u able to drive a ST, I'm curious about the heat? I took my 3 wheel class this weekend and I could feel the heat coming off the Spyder and it was a relatively cool day in N.VA. Good news is I passed my class. Bad news is I am torn on the 2013 / 2014 so I may have to wait for some time before I can actually ride.

[Farmbanker]

I might be able to hold off a while if they don't offer a blue one. Can't help it, I like blue.
Yep, my wife and I agree, we will wait for blue....

[Orange monster]

22,999 for the base RT is what I,m thinking!! By next Nov it will be 20,000 :clap:???

BRP has had 1500cc Triples inside JetSki Hulls for 11 Years from 155-260 HP with NO 3 Cylinder problems!!!nojoke

Very true but those motors are all cooled using lake water which the spyder should not use..lol

[Whitetail]

Well, I'm just hoping the RS-S upgrades swap to the older models, as i've stated in my posts, because i'll be at the can am parts desk ordering them. I really like those improved body panels, they are a nice addition to a part of the spyder i thought was way too streamlined and not agressive enough.

[OldCowboy]

Now I know how the guys who bought 2006 H-D Touring models felt when the '07s came out with a bigger engine and 6 speed transmission. :gaah:

[OldDog]

Is it true that the new models will be available much sooner than prior new model year Spyders?

Hey old dog, where did you read that the new side panels will fit on the 13 models?

Thanx!

Look at picture number 35 of 70 in the 2014 lineup. If I'm reading it correctly, it says the new 2014 ST side panels will fit all Years of ST's meaning it includes the 2013, I think.

[ARtraveler]

My comments on the new 2014 line is that I am impressed with the news about the new RT. I have been wanting a bigger engine since day one when I purchased a premier edition (#474) in 2010.

The bigger engine, and the promise of longer range, lower shifting rpm's, better cooling technology, and revised maintainence schedules have once again got my thoughts going.

I am glad the bigger engine is sooner rather than later. My thoughts were that I may be driving my final :spyder2:'s because there was no reason to make any changes. NOW--they have opened up a whole new scenario. Will I be one of the few that can say they have owned five different :ani29:'s?????? Time will tell. :thumbup:

[SpyderAnn01]

Now we will have tons of threads on how people just can't get used to shifting at such low rpms. :roflblack: I personally hate those little upshift indicator lights.

[Lamonster]

Lamont - were u able to drive a ST, I'm curious about the heat? I took my 3 wheel class this weekend and I could feel the heat coming off the Spyder and it was a relatively cool day in N.VA. Good news is I passed my class. Bad news is I am torn on the 2013 / 2014 so I may have to wait for some time before I can actually ride.
I did not drive the 2014 ST. I know the new side panels should really help with the heat and they will fit on the 2013.


One of the reasons I purchased a 2012 was the lava bronze, I love the lava color. It would be very hard to give that up, but 6 speed, 1330 engine may be too much to not upgrade. Can you confirm with the SE6, we no longer have to worry about engine damage shifting too early. If that's the case I'm sold. Can see me in one of these next spring.

harry

Yes I can confirm. They even have a helper if you're not sure when to shift.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75748&d=1379288961

[spyder3]

Lamont asked back on 9/4 "So what would make you trade up to a 2014?
"My answer: A more powerful, quieter engine would make me look at it. Lower RPM's & Better gas milage wouldn't hurt. That would qualify as amazing IMO."

So, i would say that the new RT looks to be pretty amazing. I will def. test drive one when available to do so. I want a more relaxed ride so the sound/rpm's will make a diference for sure for me. My 2011 is perfect with no issues, but at 6-7000 rpm's I dont feel it is relaxing for a tourer.

So, bigger quieter engine, lower RPM's, less maintenance, bigger fuel tank and better gas milage, better cooling system.....Assuming everything works as planned, cudos to BRP for the 2014 RT. I would say they are listening. :thumbup:

The rest of the line, well...i guess in due time.

[Lamonster]

Now we will have tons of threads on how people just can't get used to shifting at such low rpms. :roflblack: I personally hate those little upshift indicator lights.

If you're talking about the 2014, that can be turned off. It's an option.

[Lamonster]

Lamont asked back on 9/4 "So what would make you trade up to a 2014?


"My answer: A more powerful, quieter engine would make me look at it. Lower RPM's & Better gas milage wouldn't hurt. That would qualify as amazing IMO."

So, i would say that the new RT looks to be pretty amazing. I will def. test drive one when available to do so. I want a more relaxed ride so the sound/rpm's will make a diference for sure for me. My 2011 is perfect with no issues, but at 6-7000 rpm's I dont feel it is relaxing for a tourer.

So, bigger quieter engine, lower RPM's, less maintenance, bigger fuel tank and better gas milage, better cooling system.....Assuming everything works as planned, cudos to BRP for the 2014 RT. I would say they are listening. :thumbup:

The rest of the line, well...i guess in due time.

Fred and I were getting a consistent 38 mpg on a motor that wasn't broke in yet. :doorag:

[spyder3]

where would you put the sound level at Lamont...say between the current spyder and a wing.

Will anything from a 2011 be transferable?? Say a seat, elkas? This is a totally new frame i assume for the wider motor?

and thans for supply all the info
j

[lookerjdc]

Lamont asked back on 9/4 "So what would make you trade up to a 2014?


"My answer: a 6th gear......

cant wait to test drive one

[Lamonster]

where would you put the sound level at Lamont...say between the current spyder and a wing.

Will anything from a 2011 be transferable?? Say a seat, elkas? This is a totally new frame i assume for the wider motor?

and thans for supply all the info
j

The frame and pretty much everything else is the same, just the motor has been changed. The sound is not like a Wing and not like the current Spyder. It sounds smooth but not something you're going to impress your friends with revving the motor, at least not with the stock pipes.

[Mettlerk]

I think it's great that they've made the improvements to the 2014 model to eliminate the heat issues but, what are they going to do to fix the 2013 model?

I'm new to the spyders, purchased mine in February, and absolutely love to ride it. However, the heat coming out between the seat and glove box and the right foot is unbearable on long rides. BRP needs to address this some how. The boiling gas and vapors that fill the garage after a ride are a safety concern. We as owners should not be required to make modifications to or buy aftermarket parts to correct an engineering mistake.

Is it time to seek legal advice? Will BRP step up and correct this model or did they just take our money and run!!!

I don't mean to be so harsh but for the money we paid for these machines, we shouldn't have to go through is.

[DrewNJ]

Am I reading correctly that the 1330 ACE motor is bran-spanking' new? Not something used on any other platform?



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[spyder3]

Lamont, How will this new engine be to work on? Are things like the spark plugs, air filter, oil filters etc more accessible? How about checking the oil? thanks

[aka1004]

another disappointing model year. i suppose potential rt buyer might be delighted with 6th gear and new engine.

[Firefly]

Really glad they're stepping up on the engine, but personally can't justify the jump from my 2012 RT.

Now if they come out with an ST with this engine..... giddy up!:thumbup:

Can't wait to try one live and in person... I'm sure we'll have plenty of them at Spyderfest to try.

Love the orange or whatever they're calling it.

Hope they have all the quirks worked out for such a new model..... I'll be waiting a few years.....

Great job BRP.

[flaggerphil]

Well, I will be calling my dealer tomorrow morning. Don't know when they'll be in the showroom, but I'll want a test drive as soon as they arrive.

Now, the only question I have is, will the connections for a 2011 trailer work on a 2014 RT?

My wife and I have already decided we'll be buying a 2014 unless something catastrophic happens to the 2014s in the meantime...

[Lamonster]

Lamont, How will this new engine be to work on? Are things like the spark plugs, air filter, oil filters etc more accessible? How about checking the oil? thanks
I'm not sure yet but I do know that you lift the seat and the dipstick is on the right side.

[chris56]

Yep, my wife and I agree, we will wait for blue....
I also :yikes:cannot understand why there is no more BLUE Version ..

[SpyderAnn01]

Lamont, how does the handling compare to the 2013? I'm very excited about the changes and like Firefly, I sure hope that they get it right this time.

It will certainly be nice not to be the one that has to find a gas station first. I'm sure I will still stop around 125 miles anyway when I'm on a trip but it will be great around town to go longer between fill ups. Sounds like there will be fewer missing tupperware pieces with the oil check being under the seat. And I give BRP :2thumbs: for making the color choices available across the different models, the longer interval on maintenance, the improved radiators and the bigger engine. And I'll have more cc's than my hubby :clap:

[chris56]

Rotax builds the engines: Bombardier (now BRP), builds the toys...
That's the way that it's worked for about fifty years. :thumbup:
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[C3517C]

Outstanding improvements BRP :clap:.

[SNOOPY]

Bigger engine, another gear...I wonder how much weight has been added to the bike compared to the last model?

[Desert Spyder]

I wonder how the method of checking the oil compares with the old.

[SpyRyd]

Didn't think anything they (BRP) could do to the '14 models would make me trade in my '12 RT Ltd. But...all I can say is WOW I really like what they did to the '14 RT. I'll probably wait until the '15s come out them may go for a new '14 or '15 RT Ltd. But then again, on the other hand, I'm not getting any younger and, as they say, you can't take it with you!

Thanks BRP, really like what you did to make the RT more of a real touring machine!

[Lamonster]

Thanks BRP, really like what you did to make the RT more of a real touring machine!
And that's what did it for me. Having traveled cross country many times on a Spyder I love having the extra range and a motor that's not working so hard to get the job done. My fuel stops are now cut in half just about and that's nice. It's more in line with my F6B now (R.I.P.) :sour:

[pslawing]

Anyone know if the new seat will fit the older RT's and if you can buy as accessory? Back rest looks great!

[Bob Denman]

Am I reading correctly that the 1330 ACE motor is bran-spanking' new? Not something used on any other platform?

MXZ600 might be better able to answeer this; but I think that they've been using a version of this engine in their sleds for a while now...
I think! :opps:

[Lamonster]

Anyone know if the new seat will fit the older RT's and if you can buy as accessory? Back rest looks great!

As near as I can tell it will but your dealer can say for sure.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75751&d=1379288966

[Illinois Boy]

Bigger engine, another gear...I wonder how much weight has been added to the bike compared to the last model?

Around 60-65 lbs...

[Lamonster]

Around 60-65 lbs...

Having driven the new RT I would say that the extra weight is not an issue. One of the things I disliked about the RT is when you gas it at a light it would fall on it's face before taking off. Now when you hit it you go. Much better acceleration from a light. :doorag:

[Bob Denman]

It's all of the extra torque down at the bottom of the rev range. :thumbup:
Lamont; where is the redline on "Big-T" now?

[Lamonster]

It's all of the extra torque down at the bottom of the rev range. :thumbup:
Lamont; where is the redline on "Big-T" now?

I'm thinking it was around 8K but not sure. :dontknow:

[thedonva]

So my question to Lamont is are you switching back to a RT? Perhaps you already answered this.

[Wiredux]

At first glance I was a little upset with the new line up. Looking at them again today, the colors are actually growing on me. On the RS-S it looks like BRP took the lead from the way Lamont had his ST done up. Since I am planning on going from an RT to an RS-S I guess all I really have to do is decide what color I am going to jump on.

[Lamonster]

So my question to Lamont is are you switching back to a RT? Perhaps you already answered this.

Yes, I'll be back on a Timeless Black RT-S :doorag:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75787&d=1379289042

[Bob Denman]

Welcome back then! :thumbup: :D

[SteveMac]

Yes, I'll be back on a Timeless Black RT-S :doorag:

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75787&d=1379289042


Welcome back to Black!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAgnJDJN4VA&sns=em

[Pennyrick]

Well I have to apologize for putting down those folks who posted about a sixth speed and bigger engine.

I WAS WRONG!

Sounds like many moves in the right direction for touring.

[wis2013rtltd]

much on storage on the new RT Ltd. Is their more, less, or the same amount as on the 13'. What I have seen so far on the 14' looks like a measurable improvement!!

[Derek Paisley]

I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.

No wonder the Can-Am Spyder is so strongly associated with Over the Hill riders....


Was disappointed with last years cosmetic upgrades and just as disappointed with this years focus.

As much as I love my RSS, I WISH Kawi or Suzuki would come up with a Sport oriented Reverse trike as competition so us Sport riders could get our fix.
BTW: No, the ST nor RT provide the same performance as the RSS.

What next year? An on board Dialysis device for those 70+ ?

In my opinion, BRP has again neglected their younger demo. Perhaps the "Younger/RSS" ideology is in violation of the Quebec Charter of Values and BRP has sided with the PQ?

[Derek Paisley]

As near as I can tell it will but your dealer can say for sure.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75751&d=1379288966





Not very sleek looking. If anything it looks cheap.

Sorry, but I am not impressed.

[Bob Denman]

much on storage on the new RT Ltd. Is their more, less, or the same amount as on the 13'. What I have seen so far on the 14' looks like a measurable improvement!!
They're still saying 155 litres of storage...
Derek, "Over the Hill..." :shocked:
I prefer the term, "experienced"

[Spyderjockey]

I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.

No wonder the Can-Am Spyder is so strongly associated with Over the Hill riders....


Was disappointed with last years cosmetic upgrades and just as disappointed with this years focus.

As much as I love my RSS, I WISH Kawi or Suzuki would come up with a Sport oriented Reverse trike as competition so us Sport riders could get our fix.
BTW: No, the ST nor RT provide the same performance as the RSS.

What next year? An on board Dialysis device for those 70+ ?

In my opinion, BRP has again neglected their younger demo. Perhaps the "Younger/RSS" ideology is in violation of the Quebec Charter of Values and BRP has sided with the PQ?

I don't think that is in very good taste......show a little respect!

[PrairieSpyder]

I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.

No wonder the Can-Am Spyder is so strongly associated with Over the Hill riders....


Was disappointed with last years cosmetic upgrades and just as disappointed with this years focus.

As much as I love my RSS, I WISH Kawi or Suzuki would come up with a Sport oriented Reverse trike as competition so us Sport riders could get our fix.
BTW: No, the ST nor RT provide the same performance as the RSS.

What next year? An on board Dialysis device for those 70+ ?

In my opinion, BRP has again neglected their younger demo. Perhaps the "Younger/RSS" ideology is in violation of the Quebec Charter of Values and BRP has sided with the PQ?

Wow! Hostility!:lecturef_smilie: I'm sorry you feel neglected. As my Mom used to tell me: Go outside and eat worms.

Maybe BRP decided to serve the market segment with the most money first. Or the RT has a larger margin. Who knows.

[Tango]

another disappointing model year. i suppose potential rt buyer might be delighted with 6th gear and new engine.

It's a lot more than just engine and tranny! It went from a high $$$ maintenance bike, to a low maintenance bike! :thumbup: Better mpg's, HP., TQ., larger tank, doubled the cooling, improved air flow. The 2014 is a major game changer. :spyder2: Tom :trike:

[MarkLawson]

As near as I can tell it will but your dealer can say for sure.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=75751&d=1379288966


Do you know if there is any adjustments (fore/aft) on that backrest?

[Derek Paisley]

I don't think that is in very good taste......show a little respect!


That's your opinion. Am I not entitled to my own?

Just calling a spade a spade.

[Derek Paisley]

Wow! Hostility!:lecturef_smilie: I'm sorry you feel neglected. As my Mom used to tell me: Go outside and eat worms.

Maybe BRP decided to serve the market segment with the most money first. Or the RT has a larger margin. Who knows.



That's what I was referring to when I noted: I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.


It's hardly hostility. It's disappointment.

[sledmaster]

Just working from memory, I remember seeing the demographics of Spyder buyers. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the number one buyer group was age 50-60, number 2 was 60-70, number 3 was 70-80, number 4 was 40-50, number 5 was 30-40. I hope I got that right, maybe someone can confirm or correct this, maybe I have number 3 and 4 backwards. Point was, the Spyder buyer has turned out to be more mature and financially sound than originally predicted. An OEM builds what they can sell, so the model offerings will follow what the market is willing to buy.

With the population of RT units so much higher than RS/ST units it only stands to reason that the RT would be the segment to get the new engine, and it is in year seven of Spyder production that this occurs. Back in 2007 we were asking for a bigger engine, for those that were riding Spyders back in the beginning likely remember that original impression. Some things take time.

[Lamonster]

Do you know if there is any adjustments (fore/aft) on that backrest?

When we were told about them they were not adjustable.

[Bob Denman]

That's what I was referring to when I noted: I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.


It's hardly hostility. It's disappointment.
But who knows what tomorrow will bring for the RS? :dontknow:

The Triple might not fit undeath that bodywork...
The new cooling system, the new charging system; this stuff might all just take up more space than the RS had under it's skirts... :shocked:

[IntoTheWind]

Made me look too!:lecturef_smilie:

[Derek Paisley]

Just working from memory, I remember seeing the demographics of Spyder buyers. Correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe the number one buyer group was age 50-60, number 2 was 60-70, number 3 was 70-80, number 4 was 40-50, number 5 was 30-40. I hope I got that right, maybe someone can confirm or correct this, maybe I have number 3 and 4 backwards. Point was, the Spyder buyer has turned out to be more mature and financially sound than originally predicted. An OEM builds what they can sell, so the model offerings will follow what the market is willing to buy.

With the population of RT units so much higher than RS/ST units it only stands to reason that the RT would be the segment to get the new engine, and it is in year seven of Spyder production that this occurs. Back in 2007 we were asking for a bigger engine, for those that were riding Spyders back in the beginning likely remember that original impression. Some things take time.


That sounds about right. When we last had a poll here, the results were very similar.

I agree that due to the price point and marketing, the Spyder demographic is older.
As a stock holder and Spyder owner, I openly express my disappointment based on my "RSS Ownership" and the current focus of their efforts.

Again, I LOVE my Spyder. I just wish BRP would give the sportier group some attention.

Sorry if I offend anyone.

D

[Derek Paisley]

But who knows what tomorrow will bring for the RS? :dontknow:

The Triple might not fit undeath that bodywork...
The new cooling system, the new charging system; this stuff might all just take up more space than the RS had under it's skirts... :shocked:


Bob, I get excited each year. Each year, I am let down.

I 100% FULLY expect another ST/RT focus for 2015.
BRP is certainly making more $ from their older RT/ST demo. No surprise there.
I do not expect any focus to be made towards a model that is not as "Popular" as the other.


This, although true; sucks!

[Flanker]

That sounds about right. When we last had a poll here, the results were very similar.

I agree that due to the price point and marketing, the Spyder demographic is older.
As a stock holder and Spyder owner, I openly express my disappointment based on my "RSS Ownership" and the current focus of their efforts.

Again, I LOVE my Spyder. I just wish BRP would give the sportier group some attention.

Sorry if I offend anyone.

D

It's not just you, Bro! I just finished looking over the '14 RSS..............................what a snooze fest. Made me glad I bought a '12. Maybe next year? 200+ RWHP, defeatable traction control, VSS, and ABS, 16" wheels/appropriately sized brakes/calipers, 125lbs less blubber!

[Bob Denman]

Bob, I get excited each year. Each year, I am let down.

I 100% FULLY expect another ST/RT focus for 2015.
BRP is certainly making more $ from their older RT/ST demo. No surprise there.
I do not expect any focus to be made towards a model that is not as "Popular" as the other.


This, although true; sucks!

But calling us, "Over the Hill"?? That was cold... :shocked:

I honestly think that 2015 will get nothing but BNGs for the RT...
I think that if any more kinks show up in the ST's armor; they MIGHT need a bit of a lick and some polish...
The RS has soldiered on without complaints for several years; it's "Day in the Sun" is coming much quicker than you think! :thumbup:

[Orange monster]

For me this is both good news and bad news. Since I just bought my 2013 RS-S on July 1st I'm glad the bike and motor is not already outdated. But on the other hand I'm already wishing the bike had more power. I guess over all I dodged a bullet when I purchased the 2013 halfway through the year.

[Derek Paisley]

Over the hill as is +50 is not old (nor useless), just a identifiable demographic that BRP Focuses on.

As noted, I didn't intend on offending any of the seniors. :>

[lookerjdc]

some of you may feel neglected, and that is reasonable

but as an RT owner, and omeone who goes on some long trips, I am delighted that they finally realized that the RT, given its function and purpose, and as others have stated in this thread, it needed improvements

now, we can stop screaming our engines on the interstate, we can ride longer between gas stations, we have get the power needed to haul heavier loads (whether it be riding 2 up or hauling a trailer behind us)

for those that feel neglected, you can rest assured that you will get upgrades, not just right now... but you know they will come

[dshogman]

Since everyone seems to be chiming in, I figured I would also. What no RED??? Just got my '13 RT last June - and I love it. In the shop for right hand module replacement (cruise control issue)and recent recall. Aside from 600 mile service and having them install some of my farkels, that's been it. And I'll say it again, no RED for '14?? So if you're out there wondering what to do and you want RED, better grab a '13, you wont regret it.
Oh, my demographic is 74+ single retired guy, just the kid of buyer BRP must be looking for. :yes::yes:

[sledmaster]

Why the colors on the 2014 RTs? There is no need for jazzy colors on the 2014s. They just gave you a new engine and new tranny, so that alone is enough to get many to step up. An OEM usually saves the color "card" for later years in a model's lifetime to entice more buyers. For 2014, they go back to basic colors and rely on the new technology to be the reason to jump in. They will likely sell about as many 2014 RTs as they can build the way it is, so they can save the color crowd for next year, and the next.

[Magdave]

The backrest is fugly. I will keep my Utopia it is adjustable up and down forward and back. If they get the heat issue solved on my '13 (or I do) I will not be looking for a '14 based on my own experience. Who wants to be a beta tester? Sure on paper it has some nice improvements but I have already been reading about inline 3 cylinder failure issues so I will let someone else run 50k + miles on one for me. Wife already told me I could get one and I said not yet.... I assume the frame/geometry changes to the 13 were in prep for the 14 is there any other changes to it Lamonster? I did not see a list of colors could someone post them but I would go with HHR Orange myself ( I had an Orange HHR loved it).

[granpa in Cincy]

may be time for traddein / trade up

Cognac here I come.....

I can't decide if Cognac is cool or cradle gravy :yikes:

[Bob Denman]

Cognac! :thumbup:
(I may even have to buy a bottle of it to toast the new bike!)

[jerpinoy]

This is good progress.:2excited::2excited:

[SpyderAnn01]

The backrest is fugly. I will keep my Utopia it is adjustable up and down forward and back. If they get the heat issue solved on my '13 (or I do) I will not be looking for a '14 based on my own experience. Who wants to be a beta tester? Sure on paper it has some nice improvements but I have already been reading about inline 3 cylinder failure issues so I will let someone else run 50k + miles on one for me. Wife already told me I could get one and I said not yet.... I assume the frame/geometry changes to the 13 were in prep for the 14 is there any other changes to it Lamonster? I did not see a list of colors could someone post them but I would go with HHR Orange myself ( I had an Orange HHR loved it).

I guess you must have since you bought a 2013.

[2 Stricklands]

Seems to me that the improvements outweigh the shortcomings. Color can be changed; back rests can be changed; but a 6th gear and another cylinder can not!

[Magdave]

I guess you must have since you bought a 2013.:yikes::clap: You got me on that one how about burn me once shame on you burn me twice shame on me :roflblack: Seriously I could have bought a '12 RTS or my '13 RT but got convinced by the dealer the changes were worth it on the '13. You know what I think of my dealer now don't ya?

[DrewNJ]

While I can appreciate the improvements with the RT for the long distance touring crowd BRP has totally alienated the sport riders that ride Spyders for 2014. Age doesn't have as much to do with it as just preferred riding style...

BRP: Hint Hint...some of your RS riders are over the age of 50 and they all don't want RT's...:thumbup: Maybe give us a software upgrade to unleash some of that Aprilia HP. We don't need a low rpm high torque triple. we are not towing anything. :ohyea:

I know for sure that nobody I know with an RS/GS is going to upgrade to a newer 2014 RS with the new "improvements" that have been released.

[Pennyrick]

That's what I was referring to when I noted: I understand where their market dominance is.... It's NOT with Sport Riders.


It's hardly hostility. It's disappointment.


Sounded like hostile disappointment to me.

[billrob71]

As a fellow RS rider I would love to see a power plant improvement also. I don't think a inline 3 is that special but the new V4
(http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=0q0tP8XedA9PQM&tbnid=qI8kLzuMcKXGiM:&ved=0CAMQjhw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gizmag.com%2Fgo%2F8129%2F&ei=XTI3UqLND_jl4APkuoGgBg&bvm=bv.52164340,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNGGPBlb3MVY5L2SfGkkzHxG8C537Q&ust=1379435477151358)Aprilia has coming maybe little bit more to our RSS nature. A six gear and a little better gear ratio for higher top speed would be nice. Nothing against the RT owners and crowd but it's not for me, I'll be 75 years old and still won't be for me. Nothing against the bike but I've always been a sport type rider and always will be.

Cut Derek Paisley some slack sound like disappointment only sure was not disrespecting anyone.

[Kratos]

Wooooooowwwww.........I am SO GLAD I did not jump the gun and buy an RT! I knew I should wait for the 14's just to be sure and that has paid off BIG TIME!! :yes::yes::yes::yes:

[Lamonster]

Here's where you check your oil on the 2014 RT :doorag:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1240466_597226633653945_1786266622_n.jpg

[Kratos]

Nice Lamont! Man my mind is going 100mph right now. Haha

[Firefly]

I guess if you like the RT this was a good model release but I'm not impressed. You couldn't pay me to ryde an RT new or old. Also when is BRP going to give the owner more control over the electronics? So I don't think I'll be back on 3 three wheels anytime soon.

Just what is it about an RT that you detest so much that you wouldn't be paid to ride one?
Have you ever ridden one?
I guess I don't really understand your position on the RT considering all the mods you did to your orange Spyder to essentially make it into an RT...... That was my deciding point when I switched from my GS to an RT.... I had added thousands of $$$$ to that ride to make it more RT like... before the RT ever came out. The RT already had 95% of what I would do to an RS done already.

With the 2014 changes... they have made the RT line a serious touring bike. I won't be jumping ship just yet... but I will eventually have two Spyders in my collection... a touring one and a sport.

[WackyDan]

Lots of disappointment by some here... Some perhaps understandable.

Some thoughts though...

- I am an experienced GS rider and those that know me know that I can ride the GS at her limits. That said, I had a hell of a time keeping up with an RT in the twisties ridden by another experienced and mostly fearless rider. Part of it was tires, but still... I was impressed. Do I want more performance on an RS/ST? Yes, but in the twisties, it all comes down to the ryder.

- Colors? If you don't like the factory colors, just get the 2014 painted the way you like. Simple solution. Yes it costs $$$.

As this announcement has marinated with me over the last 16 hours or so, I am truly impressed with that they sought to achieve with the RT. I thought the 2013's were the evolution of the platform and to a degree I was right. I also assumed the new 2013 frame and design was done with the purpose of incorporating a stronger motor. This announcement however is the true evolution of the Spyder and specifically the RT. For those wanting an RT, I'm betting it will be a long lived platform from a design perspective, and a safe investment.

For those of us still riding our GS/RS, this is a great sign of nothing but good things to come to the RS and ST platforms. Now I'm even more antsy for September 2014 announcements as I feel I'm up against the wall at that point in deciding to go back to two wheels for a bit or hop on a new spyder. BRP gives me an ST with the same thought behind the design enhancements and motor, I'll be the first to buy one.

Kudos to BRP... I'm not an RT guy, but this announcement is truly impressive.

[BLACK REV 800 X]

MXZ600 might be better able to answeer this; but I think that they've been using a version of this engine in their sleds for a while now...
I think! :opps:

In the 4 stroke line up Ski Doo is using a Rotax 600 ACE (60 hp) and 900 ACE (90 hp), and a 1200 (about 135 hp) 4-Tec. The 900 ACE is new this year for the 2014 sleds, and the 600 and 1200 have been around for a few years. From what I have learned about the 600 and 900 ACE, I feel this will be a great move to use this technology in the Spyder.

Here is a link to some more info:

http://www.ski-doo.com/technologies/engine-technologies/4-strokes

[SpyderAnn01]

I am super excited about the new lineup and can't wait to get one. Of course I am a little bit apprehensive about how well these have been tested and if they will be reliable or not. I think BRP did an excellent job in addressing a lot of our wishes like longer range, bigger engine and less required maintenance. And I am happy about the colors. So if I could just get some final resolution on my 2013 I'll be ready to make a down payment on my new white RTS-SM6.

[spyderyderjim]

For me this is both good news and bad news. Since I just bought my 2013 RS-S on July 1st I'm glad the bike and motor is not already outdated. But on the other hand I'm already wishing the bike had more power. I guess over all I dodged a bullet when I purchased the 2013 halfway through the year.

A suggestion: Remove Cat, put on Y bypass exhaust pipes, put on 2 Bros muffler; noticeable increased torque about 4 ft# & about 7 hp at upper rpms.
Put #9 Iridium sparkplugs in #2 cylinder & #1 too) (#9 sparkplug is a cooler running plug), leave stock air filter in & you should not need a Power Commander fuel mod.
Enjoy. The RS-S are hot rods!!
Jim

[Firefly]

In the 4 stroke line up Ski Doo is using a Rotax 600 ACE (60 hp) and 900 ACE (90 hp), and a 1200 (about 135 hp) 4-Tec. The 900 ACE is new this year for the 2014 sleds, and the 600 and 1200 have been around for a few years. From what I have learned about the 600 and 900 ACE, I feel this will be a great move to use this technology in the Spyder.

Here is a link to some more info:

http://www.ski-doo.com/technologies/engine-technologies/4-strokes


Yeah.. I believe the 600 ACE is what they were using in the Hybrid Spyder prototype.. they've been working on this for a few years. Rotax is well known for making great engines. You hear of very little engine complaints from owners.

Thinking about the changes to the 2014 more..... I wonder if they ever considered going shaft drive? That might have increased the price another 1K... but many would like that option I'm sure.

[ulflyer]

OMG, I want one........but not unless I can have another RED!

[BitSlayer]

I love what I am seeing but I usually will not buy the first model year of anything. However, kudos to anyone who does. That motor sounds exactly like what I want.
:agree:
I anxiously await those who do purchase to see what their experience is. Having fixed the heat issue and longer distance is a major plus.
:popcorn::popcorn::bbq::bbq::thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

In the 4 stroke line up Ski Doo is using a Rotax 600 ACE (60 hp) and 900 ACE (90 hp), and a 1200 (about 135 hp) 4-Tec. The 900 ACE is new this year for the 2014 sleds, and the 600 and 1200 have been around for a few years. From what I have learned about the 600 and 900 ACE, I feel this will be a great move to use this technology in the Spyder.

Here is a link to some more info:

http://www.ski-doo.com/technologies/engine-technologies/4-strokes
The 1330 is based upon the 1200, with some of the ACE DNA up in the top end... :thumbup:

[daveinva]

While I appreciate we all have our opinions, and the more the merrier, the *one* opinion I can't quite understand is the push by some to have the Nanny removed, "defeatable VSS", control over the electronics, etc.

I can count on one hand the number of times where I tripped the Nanny and I felt like it was unfair. Actually, I don't even think I can count those times-- I don't recall there being any, but surely there was one or another.

Again, once you upgrade your shocks, anti-sway bar, pump up your tires, you've expanded your envelope tremendously. I've also found that having a different seating position on the RS (with risers and floorboards) also allowed me to better posture myself in corners than the "sportbike" slope that comes with the stock RS.

Add all those changes and a few years of Spyder riding experience on crazy twisties at extra-legal speeds, and I *never* find the Nanny intrusive. It simply does not come on for me, unless I screw up. If I'm in a corner hot enough to trip the Nanny, I *need* the Nanny.

Honestly, the only time I recall the Nanny going nutzo on me was, wonderfully enough, was riding two-up down in Maggie Valley, especially on the Dragon. But hey, *I was on the Dragon*, and I was *two-up*, neither exactly normal operating conditions. And, again, every time the Nanny kicked in, it was because I needed it.

And, once it was predictable of *when* the Nanny would kick in, I just used it to my advantage-- you can do this, you know. I timed my corners better, and even used the Nanny like a "bumper" in some corners (i.e., once I knew when and where the traction control would kick in, I actually went out of my way to trip the Nanny in certain corners, knowing that I could ride it flat-out but the Nanny would help me steer around certain points).

Maybe I'm wrong in my impression, but I admit, I *do have* this impression: people who want the Nanny gone are mistaken in thinking that a Spyder without electronics will handle like a two-wheel motorcycle (hint: it won't-- it'll handle like a 700+ lb death-machine trike), or just aren't embracing the many, MANY ways there are to avoid being limited in any way by the electronics (mods, riding style, etc.).

Or, maybe, they just want to do burnouts. :dontknow: Oh well, sorry, you don't get to do burnouts on your $18,000++ bikes. :(

P.S. This may all be completely moot on the RS, BTW-- if the VSS was modified on the 2014 RS in a way that relaxes its stock intrusiveness, there may not be any issues at all, *especially* if/when/once you modify an RS with better shocks, sway bar, etc. I, for one, look forward to riding the 2014 model to see if the handling is improved in that regard.

[CyncySpyder]

Curious if anyone knows yet since there is the new 3 Cylinder Engine with greater torque throughout the power-band, & they've already beefed up the brakes with adding the Brembos to the '13s, will this equate to the 2014s having a greater towing capacity &/or tongue weight over that of the previous generations at 40/400 pounds :dontknow:

[Firefly]

While I appreciate we all have our opinions, and the more the merrier, the *one* opinion I can't quite understand is the push by some to have the Nanny removed, "defeatable VSS", control over the electronics, etc.

I can count on one hand the number of times where I tripped the Nanny and I felt like it was unfair. Actually, I don't even think I can count those times-- I don't recall there being any, but surely there was one or another.

Again, once you upgrade your shocks, anti-sway bar, pump up your tires, you've expanded your envelope tremendously. I've also found that having a different seating position on the RS (with risers and floorboards) also allowed me to better posture myself in corners than the "sportbike" slope that comes with the stock RS.

Add all those changes and a few years of Spyder riding experience on crazy twisties at extra-legal speeds, and I *never* find the Nanny intrusive. It simply does not come on for me, unless I screw up. If I'm in a corner hot enough to trip the Nanny, I *need* the Nanny.

Honestly, the only time I recall the Nanny going nutzo on me was, wonderfully enough, was riding two-up down in Maggie Valley, especially on the Dragon. But hey, *I was on the Dragon*, and I was *two-up*, neither exactly normal operating conditions. And, again, every time the Nanny kicked in, it was because I needed it.

And, once it was predictable of *when* the Nanny would kick in, I just used it to my advantage-- you can do this, you know. I timed my corners better, and even used the Nanny like a "bumper" in some corners (i.e., once I knew when and where the traction control would kick in, I actually went out of my way to trip the Nanny in certain corners, knowing that I could ride it flat-out but the Nanny would help me steer around certain points).

Maybe I'm wrong in my impression, but I admit, I *do have* this impression: people who want the Nanny gone are mistaken in thinking that a Spyder without electronics will handle like a two-wheel motorcycle (hint: it won't-- it'll handle like a 700+ lb death-machine trike), or just aren't embracing the many, MANY ways there are to avoid being limited in any way by the electronics (mods, riding style, etc.).

Or, maybe, they just want to do burnouts. :dontknow: Oh well, sorry, you don't get to do burnouts on your $18,000++ bikes. :(

P.S. This may all be completely moot on the RS, BTW-- if the VSS was modified on the 2014 RS in a way that relaxes its stock intrusiveness, there may not be any issues at all, *especially* if/when/once you modify an RS with better shocks, sway bar, etc. I, for one, look forward to riding the 2014 model to see if the handling is improved in that regard.


I generally think the nanny works pretty well and can actually 'teach' you how to ride better.... BUT.... it ticks me off turning out of a driveway going like 10-15 mph and you hammer it and there is hesitation.... I'd love for the nanny to not be so sensitive until like 40 mph.. adjustable like they've done with some of the off-road vehicles. It's just a bit embarrassing to not be able to drop some rubber when turning a slow corner.....;-)

[Youngblood]

Any word from BRP if they plan on making the new engine available on the RS or ST?

[billrob71]

I looked and not sure I saw this question the new 6 speed transmission is there a manual available or are they all push button shift?

[ARtraveler]

I think it's great that they've made the improvements to the 2014 model to eliminate the heat issues but, what are they going to do to fix the 2013 model?

I'm new to the spyders, purchased mine in February, and absolutely love to ride it. However, the heat coming out between the seat and glove box and the right foot is unbearable on long rides. BRP needs to address this some how. The boiling gas and vapors that fill the garage after a ride are a safety concern. We as owners should not be required to make modifications to or buy aftermarket parts to correct an engineering mistake.

Is it time to seek legal advice? Will BRP step up and correct this model or did they just take our money and run!!!

I don't mean to be so harsh but for the money we paid for these machines, we shouldn't have to go through is.

The comment about new side panels to help alleviate the heat issues--with retroactive fit to 2013's is a good start.

My thought is that this should be a "freebie" to all 2013 owners that feel they need them. It would be a good gesture for BRP to save some face in this ongoing saga. I am gung ho over the new 2014 RT's--but also in the back of my mind are the many issues happening to those who ventured out into the unknown when purchasing the upgraded 2013's.

[Bob Denman]

Any word from BRP if they plan on making the new engine available on the RS or ST?

Not this year :shocked:... Sorry!

[flaggerphil]

That's your opinion. Am I not entitled to my own?

Just calling a spade a spade.

Maybe without so much acid.

It'll be interesting to see how you feel when you hit the demographic...

:D

[Magdave]

And here is the link to BRP's line up

http://spyder.brp.com/files/en-US/Images/Billboard/2014_Spyder.pdf

Only white and black for the RT guess I won't be getting one soon. I don't need the additional options or cost for the RTS or RTL. If Orange was an RT color I might have thought about it a little more.

[hill27]

better gas mileage,more power and the heat is under control, nice.

[granpa in Cincy]

I looked and not sure I saw this question the new 6 speed transmission is there a manual available or are they all push button shift?


Yes there is a manual.

See updated first post.

[JkRbbt]

Have to admit, I like what they have done to the '14. Good luck to all of you that jump in. When buying my RT, I thought BRP had "probably" tested the 2013s, too. Turned out, we, the buyers, were the "testers"! Hope, going forward, BRP does the tests and we just do the riding. Best wishes and give us plenty of feedback!