Collective Brain Storming for Header Routing.

[OldDog]

Let me start off by saying, I do not have a Spyder to use as a reference. I would like to appeal to the Spyderlovers technical community for brainstorming ideas on how to better route the headers outside the Tupperware. If we could have some pictures of a naked Spyder it would help. Hot rodders have always been able to come up with innovative solutions to auto performance. Maybe by combining our efforts, we can devise a simple header design on paper, so to speak, that BRP would notice. Disclaimer, I'm only suggesting this as an exercise. I AM NOT jumping into the fire stuff. I am not advocating circumventing BRP's R&D. I'd like to throw some questions out for "chewing on." Please be objective!! :chat:

Could the headers be run straight down and along the bottom of the undercarriage?

Could the Cat converter be put into the Muffler and out from under the Tupperware?

I would like input from the Techies.

[Bob Denman]

Putting the catalytic converter into the muffler would help; :lecturef_smilie: IF it's possible to do so...
We need the BRP techies to answer that question... :shocked:
Since those pipes will run basically from the front to at least the midscetion of the bike; I'm an advocate of more aggressive venting to allow for airflow around them..
But that might also create more "hot-foot" issues... :yikes:

HELP!.

[CyncySpyder]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2382 48 pics

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2380 49 pics

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2368&page=2 76 pics

Hope these can provide some visual info for your chewing pleasure. We took all these pics when we removed the OEM AirBox & Resonator & replaced it with the KewlMetal Air Intake, so many of them are of the engine compartment area so some should be useful. If you need more of specific areas, just let us know, cause we have the sled stripped down pretty similar right now & can easily take more ;)
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54166&d=1348621437 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2368&attachmentid=54165)

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=59845&d=1358032231 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/album.php?albumid=2540&attachmentid=59844)

[CyncySpyder]

http://parts.spyder.brp.com/cgi-bin/ImgServ.exe/convert?ilFN=E:\\EmpartWeb\\data\\1s\\06\Y1102\31Y 1102b.tif&ilSC=15&ilIV=0&ilBR=0&ilIF=P&ilRE=8



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http://parts.spyder.brp.com/cgi-bin/ImgServ.exe/convert?ilFN=E:\\EmpartWeb\\data\\1s\\06\Y1102\08Y 1102b.tif&ilSC=15&ilIV=0&ilBR=0&ilIF=P&ilRE=8

[shelbydave]

CAT location is usually determined based on where it needs to be to maintain an efficient operating temp. Moving it further back and into the muffler unit may drop the temp too much...

[Bob Denman]

It must have been the different state of tune that the old 990 engines had that allowed it to work? :dontknow:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Let me start off by saying, I do not have a Spyder to use as a reference. I would like to appeal to the Spyderlovers technical community for brainstorming ideas on how to better route the headers outside the Tupperware. If we could have some pictures of a naked Spyder it would help. Hot rodders have always been able to come up with innovative solutions to auto performance. Maybe by combining our efforts, we can devise a simple header design on paper, so to speak, that BRP would notice. Disclaimer, I'm only suggesting this as an exercise. I AM NOT jumping into the fire stuff. I am not advocating circumventing BRP's R&D. I'd like to throw some questions out for "chewing on." Please be objective!! :chat:

Could the headers be run straight down and along the bottom of the undercarriage?

Could the Cat converter be put into the Muffler and out from under the Tupperware?

I would like input from the Techies.

Just throwin this out there ....If the pipes are outside the tupperware.....How do you plan to keep the SKIN FROM BURNING OFF THE RIDERS LEGS ? ? ?....just askin, Mike

[Dan McNally]

"Mesh" Tupperware!

[shelbydave]

It must have been the different state of tune that the old 990 engines had that allowed it to work? :dontknow:

Not sure what you mean, but if you are referring to the SeaDoos, 4-wheelers, and such, they are offroad vehicles in most states, and with that they don't have the strict emissions regulations. It's possible they didn't have a CAT on many of them.

[OldDog]

I was looking at Doc Doru's CG Taurus on Facebook. It appears to have more open area around the engine.
Airflow? ...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=578521565533943&set=a.301317716587664.80410.100001283157402&type=1&ref=nf

[jtpollock]

Has anyone looked into the Ceramic coating to keep the heat inside the pipe til it get to the muffler? It would also help with te CAT Hot roder use it all the time. Is it a possability. :dontknow: jtpollock

[Bob Denman]

Not sure what you mean, but if you are referring to the SeaDoos, 4-wheelers, and such, they are offroad vehicles in most states, and with that they don't have the strict emissions regulations. It's possible they didn't have a CAT on many of them.
Oh! Sorry... The 990 series engines were the ones used on the GS/RS bikes up until 2013. They were tuned for more peak horsepower, a little less torque, and were the "throttle by cable bikes." these bikes hid the cat in with the muffler
The 991 series engines were used in the RTs from the start; throttle by wire, higher compression ratio, and the powerband was moved down the rev scale about 750 rpm or so... These bikes have always had a separate cat.

[shelbydave]

Did the 990 series possibly run leaner? That would provide the justification to move the CAT back to the muffler housing...

Or maybe the 991 series needed a larger CAT?

[Tango]

Why don't they just heat wrap the pipes, insulate the gas tank from the factory? That would be easy to do. Ventilate the bottom panels, add a fan or two to move more air. Cheap, easy fixes IMHO. :spyder2: Tom :trike: