So you put a backrest on bike and seat wont stay up for refueling.....

[bmwlarry]

I put a Utopia backrest and two Airhawks on my bike and now the seat would not stay up for refueling. I went into Baxter's Autoparts and picked up a new gas shock that works beautifully! When I unlock the seat it now springs up for refueling all by itself. Yeah for little conviencences! Fix took 1 minute!

Part # 4413 Strong ARM Lift Support 30 lb. $22.95:ohyea:

[Macca]

Thanks for your post, mine does the same thing

[rhinozxq]

I can't seem to find a #4413 Strong Arm Lift Support. Is this Strong Arm's part # or Baxter's?

Rick

[vtspyder]

I just use a chunk of 2x4. Like a true VT redneck!......Yes, I still have all my teeth!:yikes:

[Bob Denman]

Thanks Larry! :thumbup: Mine is starting to get a bit tired, so your post has come at a very opportune time! :clap: :2thumbs:

[bmwlarry]

rhinozhq

The number is 4423 not 4413. The number on the actual shock tag is 4423 35212.

Hope this helps.
Larry

[bmwlarry]

I found them here for $7.04! Darn.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?catalog=186&partnum=4423&a=FR186-4423-236019

Larry

[rhinozxq]

Larry,

Thanks for the part # and the link. I just got one for each of our spyders.

Rick

[Chupaca]

Mine is still working but some time needs a push. Will check into it..!! Thanks for this...:2thumbs:

[Cruzr Joe]

mine still works but at that price i now have a spare.

Cruzr Joe

[harrypottar]

Thanks for the link just ordered one as I have to take the air hawk when I refill at the moment

[Macca]

I put a Utopia backrest and two Airhawks on my bike and now the seat would not stay up for refueling. I went into Baxter's Autoparts and picked up a new gas shock that works beautifully! When I unlock the seat it now springs up for refueling all by itself. Yeah for little conviencences! Fix took 1 minute!

Part # 4413 Strong ARM Lift Support 30 lb. $22.95:ohyea:

Thank you, the #4423 seat strut worked great! I have a Ultimate seat with gas door and backrest.

[kentompkins]

I bought one for my 2013 RT-S but am having difficulties imagining how it snaps in. Any suggestions on installing? Or has BRP changed the way the rod attaches to the seat and the bike?

ken tompkins

[bmwlarry]

Ken

There is a very thin metal piece that needs to be pried out a tiny bit with a smallish flat screwdriver. Pry it out a bit and pull on the OEM shock and it will snap off the ball. Repeat for installation of the new one.

Hope this helps

Larry

[ulflyer]

Good info. Mine slowly dropped down the other day so I stuck the big fat gas cap up as far as it would go under the seat to hold it. For us cheapies that works too. Nevertheless I'll prob order one to have handy

[otter28169]

I found them here for $7.04! Darn.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?catalog=186&partnum=4423&a=FR186-4423-236019

Larry

Rock auto is awesome!! I get all the parts I need fore every vehicle from them.

[Captain Fin]

I put a Utopia backrest and two Airhawks on my bike and now the seat would not stay up for refueling. I went into Baxter's Autoparts and picked up a new gas shock that works beautifully! When I unlock the seat it now springs up for refueling all by itself. Yeah for little conviencences! Fix took 1 minute!

Part # 4413 Strong ARM Lift Support 30 lb. $22.95:ohyea:

Don't let it eject you at high speeds when you hit a bump!:lecturef_smilie::roflblack:

[eddieshep999]

Posted this last year just having fitted the Utopia back rest

Spyder RT extra support for seat stops dropping down due to extra weight of Utopia Back rest fitted

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...959#post383959 (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?33782-SEAT-DROPS-DOWN-WHEN-FILLING-UP-MY-FIX&p=383959#post383959)


Did consider going over to a Gas strut on the other side to replace my strut but as this works fine and with no issue with it will keep it - Very useful when having to clean the underside of the seat and main frame or to assist when having to remove the panels

[ulflyer]

Rock auto is awesome!! I get all the parts I need fore every vehicle from them.

I ordered one yesterday and it was listed as a clearance item. No idea how many are left but thats a good price. For my area it was another $6 postage.

[shannonnichols]

Thank you, I just ordered mine. I bought my2008 GS last year and wasn't sure how to correct this problem. I was just goingto live with it. Thanks for all the great info on spyderlovers!!! I’m aFAN!!

[Desert Spyder]

Thank you, I just ordered mine. I bought my2008 GS last year and wasn't sure how to correct this problem. I was just goingto live with it. Thanks for all the great info on spyderlovers!!! I’m aFAN!!


Someone should stock a bunch of these at spyderfest.

How about the rear trunk lid? Anybody having troubles with this strut?

[CapNCrunch]

I found them here for $7.04! Darn.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/raframecatalog.php?catalog=186&partnum=4423&a=FR186-4423-236019

Larry

Just installed mine, yesterday, and it is a HUGE improvement over the stock strut! Thanx, everyone, for the tip. CapNCrunch

[SpydermanCT]

Do you think these gas shocks will work on a Corbin seat? I don't have to lift it often because of having a gas door but when I'm working on the bike and want the seat raised a gas shock would be nice, especially at these prices.

[Spyder pat]

Corbin seat with fuel door does wonders, no need to open and close your seat as often, which weakens your shock over time, and we all know that we need to fuel up often :)

[Spyder pat]

Do you think these gas shocks will work on a Corbin seat? I don't have to lift it often because of having a gas door but when I'm working on the bike and want the seat raised a gas shock would be nice, especially at these prices.

Corbin seat does not utilize the shock but does come with a stand to keep your seat propped up.

[fireplug98]

Just ordered one from Rock Auto. Looks like only 12 left.

Tommy J.

[M109Dreamer]

Does anyone have a current part number or link for the strut. Link doesnt seem to work anymore for rockauto.

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[Trbayth]

Doing a Google search for "strut 4423" returns several entries including this one for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/StrongArm-4423-Universal-Extended-Support/dp/B000ALG0US

and this one for AdvanceAuto:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo0bSTntzMAhVJyj4KHZqjDLgQFgg6MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.advanceautoparts.com%2Fp%2Fs trong-arm-lift-support-d4423%2F5940753-P&usg=AFQjCNGTB3lKYRE4as6LYXS-dI8TpxoMRA&sig2=HZN2v2k7qfC2WIpEjfSHdg

I'm not guaranteeing it's the same one from a three year old thread but it seems to be.

[M109Dreamer]

Doing a Google search for "strut 4423" returns several entries including this one for Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/StrongArm-4423-Universal-Extended-Support/dp/B000ALG0US

and this one for AdvanceAuto:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjo0bSTntzMAhVJyj4KHZqjDLgQFgg6MAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.advanceautoparts.com%2Fp%2Fs trong-arm-lift-support-d4423%2F5940753-P&usg=AFQjCNGTB3lKYRE4as6LYXS-dI8TpxoMRA&sig2=HZN2v2k7qfC2WIpEjfSHdg

I'm not guaranteeing it's the same one from a three year old thread but it seems to be.
Thanks [emoji106]

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[robmorg]

Does anyone have a current part number or link for the strut. Link doesnt seem to work anymore for rockauto.


I don't think Rock Auto carries them anymore, but HERE (https://www.autopartskart.com/part_search.html?q=am+automotive+4423&search-product=Search) they are at AutoPartsKart.com for a similar price.

I saw this thread (or a similar one) a few years ago, but never ordered one. I'm glad you posted that question because it reminded me that I want one, too, since I have the Utopia backrest, and have the same problem. ;) There were some comments back then, that if you get a gas lift that is too powerful, it will eventually break the tab on the seat pan. But I think that a 30# lift is probably not too powerful, and this one is the right size to replace the OEM lift (17.2" extended).

[M109Dreamer]

I don't think Rock Auto carries them anymore, but HERE (https://www.autopartskart.com/part_search.html?q=am+automotive+4423&search-product=Search) they are at AutoPartsKart.com for a similar price.

I saw this thread (or a similar one) a few years ago, but never ordered one. I'm glad you posted that question because it reminded me that I want one, too, since I have the Utopia backrest, and have the same problem. ;) There were some comments back then, that if you get a gas lift that is too powerful, it will eventually break the tab on the seat pan. But I think that a 30# lift is probably not too powerful, and this one is the right size to replace the OEM lift (17.2" extended).
Yeah, I was trying to find it on RockAuto but couldnt find it. I knew I could find one for around $25. But when they listed the one from RA for less than $10, I was going to buy a couple. Looks like a trip to the auto parts store today.

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[robmorg]

I ordered the RhinoPac 4423 and installed it today. Shipping from Autopartskart.com took only two days. Here are the results....

The OEM gas lift is from www.suspaparts.com (http://www.suspaparts.com), part# C16-27695. They sell them for a whopping $95 each. :shocked: There are no specs on their web site, so I cannot say what the force of the OEM lift is, but when I took it off the seat and measured it, I found the extended length to be 17.7", which is a half inch longer than the 4423. Not a big deal, but if I would be buying a replacement lift again, I'd look for one that is about 18" long. The 4423 has a rated force of 30 lbs. and it does do a better job of holding up my comfort seat with the Utopia Backrest installed. It doesn't swing up by itself when the seat is released, but the seat is easier to lift, and once in the raised position, it does stay solidly in place, unlike with the OEM lift. The 30 lb. lifting force is about right for this application - more force may eventually stress the plastic tab on the seat pan where the upper end of the lift is anchored. Both lifts seem to be of equal quality.

I agree with the OP that this lift offers an added convenience, and I'm happy I ordered it. It was well worth the price of $13 plus $5 shipping. I'm glad someone resurrected this old thread from 2013. :thumbup:

[pitzerwm]

There is only one issue with a new gas strut, you can't disable the seat lock because the seat will pop up everytime you get off. I don't care, the fact that it actually works great, I just half disabled the seat lock.

Cruzr Joe, Based on your numerous comments criticizing people for not going BRP replacement parts. I can't believe that you went this route even if a spare.:joke::yes:

[M109Dreamer]

Just wanted to post an update to my choice on a replacement strut. I ordered the below strut. I have the Utopia backrest and went with a 35lb strut. Its also a tad longer but no issues in closing it. What i do like about the 35lbs is that once I unlock the seat and pull up on the seat to open it will open slowly by itself and stay up with the backrest.

http://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/lift-supports-depot-se180p35-gas-charged-lift-support-strut61055w/

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[Bob Denman]

Since Joe "Strutted" my bike at SpyderFest: the extra weight of the backrest and "Rudolph" (The sheepskin seat cover...) have not affected the ability of the seat to stay up, when asked to do so... :clap:

Thanks, Joe! :thumbup: :D

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=131838&stc=1

(Helmet added to the pile, just to show the strength of the new strut!

[Dan McNally]

I did mine in June of last year - used a Stabilus "Lift-O-Mat" shock, part # SG359011. It fit perfectly. It was the exact size, with the same connectors, as the OEM shock, just more powerful. I usually carry my rain gear, bungeed to the passenger grip bars, on the back of my seat. I don't even have to remove the bungee cord for the seat to stay up.

[robmorg]

Since Joe "Strutted" my bike at SpyderFest: the extra weight of the backrest and "Rudolph" have not affected the ability of the seat to stay up, when asked to do so... :clap:

Thanks, Joe! :thumbup: :D
Bob, Rudolph is looking great. I'm curious… What do you feed him to keep his fur so soft and supple? ;)

[robmorg]

Just wanted to post an update to my choice on a replacement strut. I ordered the below strut. I have the Utopia backrest and went with a 35lb strut. Its also a tad longer but no issues in closing it. What i do like about the 35lbs is that once I unlock the seat and pull up on the seat to open it will open slowly by itself and stay up with the backrest.

http://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/lift-supports-depot-se180p35-gas-charged-lift-support-strut61055w/

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using TapatalkShane,

Looks like you found the perfect length (18"), and strength (35 lbs.) for this application. :thumbup:. Wish I'd have found the same one before buying mine. Thanks for posting the link. The RhinoPac 4423 works much better than the OEM strut, but it's just a tad too short and a tad too weak. ;)

[M109Dreamer]

Shane,

Looks like you found the perfect length (18"), and strength (35 lbs.) for this application. :thumbup:. Wish I'd have found the same one before buying mine. Thanks for posting the link.
Yeah, when I was looking on the web site and punched in the data it came down to 2. Both were basically the same except the other was 30lbs. I liked the idea of it raising a bit higher. So I just took a chance on the 35 lb one. I did this based on a few that have stated that even at 30lbs they sometimes had to help it up. All in all I will stick with the 35lbs. With a backrest I believe its the correct lbs.[emoji106]

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[Bob Denman]

Bob, Rudolph is looking great. I'm curious… What do you feed him to keep his fur so soft and supple? ;)

:D I feed him a steady diet of miles, and keep him polished-up with my butt! :roflblack:

[Brian Kay]

Just wanted to post an update to my choice on a replacement strut. I ordered the below strut. I have the Utopia backrest and went with a 35lb strut. Its also a tad longer but no issues in closing it. What i do like about the 35lbs is that once I unlock the seat and pull up on the seat to open it will open slowly by itself and stay up with the backrest.

http://www.liftsupportsdepot.com/lift-supports-depot-se180p35-gas-charged-lift-support-strut61055w/

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I went ahead and ordered this one to help with my Ultimate Seat Tallboy. My OEM strut won't stay "on" the ball now (have no idea what happened or why it's doing that). Figured that the new strut would be better anyway for the extra weight of the seat and longevity. I'll let everyone know how it works!!!

[Brian Kay]

I went ahead and ordered this one to help with my Ultimate Seat Tallboy. My OEM strut won't stay "on" the ball now (have no idea what happened or why it's doing that). Figured that the new strut would be better anyway for the extra weight of the seat and longevity. I'll let everyone know how it works!!!


Received the replacement from Lift Supports Depot - SE180P35, an exact fit, installed in seconds and is very sturdy. Although it didn't "pop" the seat up immediately upon turning the key, a little movement by my hand was needed to get the seat to lift (most likely an adjustment needed on the release mechanism). BUT when it did, it was slow, smooth, and extended all the way up with NO TROUBLES. And, it stayed on the ball joint unlike the OEM that decided it had enough. Hope it doesn't "eject" me while riding one day :yikes::clap::yes::roflblack:

Definitely worth the $25.54 after shipping and handling ($14.90 + $9.64 from CA) they charged me. So far worth every penny.

[irvin48]

thanks for all this info--irv