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grumpybob
03-22-2013, 04:40 PM
Vietnam Helicopter Pilot Wisdom

EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE I LEARNED AS A HELICOPTER PILOT IN VIETNAM.


1. Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if this is a good idea..

2. It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do..

3. NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy.

4. The engine RPM and the rotor RPM must BOTH be kept in the GREEN. Failure to heed this commandment can affect the morale of the crew.

5. Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover for you.

6. Decisions made by someone above you in the chain-of-command will seldom be in your best interest..

7. The terms Protective Armor and Helicopter are mutually exclusive.

8. Sometimes, being good and lucky is still is not enough.

9. "Chicken Plates" are not something you order in a restaurant. (Armored vests worn by flight crews).

10. If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised.

11. Loud, sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention.

12. The BSR (Bang Stare Red) Theory states that the louder the sudden bang in the helicopter, the quicker your eyes will be drawn to the gauges. The longer you stare at the gauges the less time it takes them to move from green to red.

13. No matter what you do, 'the bullet with your name on it' will get you. So, too, can the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

14. If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need.

15. If you are wearing body armor, the bullets will probably miss that part.

16. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

17. Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day is a + and beats the alternative.

18. If you are allergic to lead, it is best to avoid a war zone.

19. It is a bad thing to run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.

20. Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations which, in turn, is better than cold C-rations which, in turn, is better than no food at all. All of These, however, are preferable to cold rice balls, even if they do have the little pieces of fish in them.

21. Everybody's a hero...On the ground...In the club...After the fourth drink.

22. A free fire zone has nothing to do with economics.

23. The further you fly into the mountains, the louder the strange engine noises become.

24. Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better.

25. Being shot hurts and it can ruin your whole day.

26. "Pucker Factor" is the formal name of the equation that states the more hairy the situation is, the more of the seat cushion will be sucked up your a$$ . It can be expressed in its mathematical formula of S (suction) + H (height above ground ) + I (interest in staying alive) + T ( # of tracers coming your way)

27.Thus the term 'SH*T!' can also be used to denote a situation where high Pucker Factor is being encountered.

28. Thousands of Vietnam Veterans earned medals for bravery every day. A few were even awarded.

29. Running out of pedal, fore or aft cyclic, or collective are all bad ideas. Any combination of these can be deadly.

30. There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the rules.

31. C-4 can make a dull day fun.

32. There is no such thing as a fair fight - only ones where you win or lose.

33. If you win the battle you are entitled to the spoils. If you lose you don't care.

34. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing - NOW - to solve our problem.

35. Always make sure someone has a P-38. Uh, that's a can opener for those of you who aren't military.

36. Prayer may not help...but it can't hurt.

37. Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these, however, are better than extraction by Medivac, even if it is technically, a form of flying.

38. Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR.

39. A grunt is the true reason for the existence of the helicopter. Every helicopter flying in Vietnam had one real purpose: To help the grunt. It is unfortunate that many helicopters never had the opportunity to fulfill their one true mission in life, simply because someone forgot this fact.


40. IF EVERYONE DOES NOT COME HOME, NONE OF THE REST OF US CAN EVER FULLY COME HOME EITHER!!!


IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THESE

PrairieSpyder
03-22-2013, 04:52 PM
My cousin did 2 or 3 tours in 'Nam as a helicopter pilot. From hearing his stories, I can identify with most of these. Thanks for posting them.

boborgera
03-22-2013, 06:04 PM
Spent a lot of time in Huey's as an RTO 66/67, With a reactionary platoon,
Still cringe when a Chopper flies over, Came down hard in one, Out in Indian Country.
Dust off, Hated calling that one in.

Bob Denman
03-22-2013, 06:12 PM
Some excellent words of wisdom, that carry far beyond usage only in helicopters... http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_4_104.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1026.gifhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/1027.gif

bruiser
03-22-2013, 08:21 PM
Oh yeah, heard of most of these. Most of the chopper pilots I knew sat on chicken plates too. I still have some P38s.

Bob (Grumpy), do you have the cd of In Country songs?

Trickie Dick
03-22-2013, 09:32 PM
I loved those Helicopters. I hated like hell to get out of them. I hated it even more watching them fly off leaving me on the ground. :yikes:

btcherm
03-23-2013, 05:16 AM
We must never forget the fallen and all the other vets,and like your post.
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jwmcclellan
03-23-2013, 05:53 AM
My uncle - Rod McClellan - was shot down twice in a Huey helicopter in Vietnam. Lived through both though.

Bill Las Vegas
03-23-2013, 10:54 AM
Number 23 also applies to fixed wing single engine aircraft!!!!

Chupaca
03-23-2013, 11:53 AM
All true.. :cheers: A toast to them all..!! Thanks

grumpybob
03-23-2013, 01:18 PM
Oh yeah, heard of most of these. Most of the chopper pilots I knew sat on chicken plates too. I still have some P38s.

Bob (Grumpy), do you have the cd of In Country songs?

No I don't have that CD. Will look it up and order it.

Went down once in one in '66 myself getting hauled out of Happy Valley, took a round in the oil tank. Messed my back up. Hated going in and out of Happy & Elephant Valleys, So did the chopper pilots.

I will always remember Ed Freeman for his heroic actions on Nov. 14th - 17th. in '65. No chopper pilots are/were better.

bruiser
03-23-2013, 05:19 PM
Heard about the two valleys but never had the pleasure (:yikes:) of spending any time there.

grumpybob
03-23-2013, 05:48 PM
Heard about the two valleys but never had the pleasure (:yikes:) of spending any time there.

I'll bless everybody that didn't have to go in there, Always hot especially getting in & out by chopper.

bruiser
03-23-2013, 05:53 PM
Had a couple of buds that played around Happy Valley. They sure weren't very happy and didn't speak very highly of it either.

jerpinoy
03-23-2013, 06:33 PM
Vietnam Helicopter Pilot Wisdom

EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO KNOW IN LIFE I LEARNED AS A HELICOPTER PILOT IN VIETNAM.


1. Once you are in the fight, it is way too late to wonder if this is a good idea..

2. It is a fact that helicopter tail rotors are instinctively drawn toward trees, stumps, rocks, etc. While it may be possible to ward off this natural event some of the time, it cannot, despite the best efforts of the crew, always be prevented. It's just what they do..

3. NEVER get into a fight without more ammunition than the other guy.

4. The engine RPM and the rotor RPM must BOTH be kept in the GREEN. Failure to heed this commandment can affect the morale of the crew.

5. Cover your Buddy, so he can be around to cover for you.

6. Decisions made by someone above you in the chain-of-command will seldom be in your best interest..

7. The terms Protective Armor and Helicopter are mutually exclusive.

8. Sometimes, being good and lucky is still is not enough.

9. "Chicken Plates" are not something you order in a restaurant. (Armored vests worn by flight crews).

10. If everything is as clear as a bell, and everything is going exactly as planned, you're about to be surprised.

11. Loud, sudden noises in a helicopter WILL get your undivided attention.

12. The BSR (Bang Stare Red) Theory states that the louder the sudden bang in the helicopter, the quicker your eyes will be drawn to the gauges. The longer you stare at the gauges the less time it takes them to move from green to red.

13. No matter what you do, 'the bullet with your name on it' will get you. So, too, can the ones addressed "To Whom It May Concern".

14. If the rear echelon troops are really happy, the front line troops probably do not have what they need.

15. If you are wearing body armor, the bullets will probably miss that part.

16. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

17. Having all your body parts intact and functioning at the end of the day is a + and beats the alternative.

18. If you are allergic to lead, it is best to avoid a war zone.

19. It is a bad thing to run out of airspeed, altitude, and ideas all at the same time.

20. Hot garrison chow is better than hot C-rations which, in turn, is better than cold C-rations which, in turn, is better than no food at all. All of These, however, are preferable to cold rice balls, even if they do have the little pieces of fish in them.

21. Everybody's a hero...On the ground...In the club...After the fourth drink.

22. A free fire zone has nothing to do with economics.

23. The further you fly into the mountains, the louder the strange engine noises become.

24. Medals are OK, but having your body and all your friends in one piece at the end of the day is better.

25. Being shot hurts and it can ruin your whole day.

26. "Pucker Factor" is the formal name of the equation that states the more hairy the situation is, the more of the seat cushion will be sucked up your a$$ . It can be expressed in its mathematical formula of S (suction) + H (height above ground ) + I (interest in staying alive) + T ( # of tracers coming your way)

27.Thus the term 'SH*T!' can also be used to denote a situation where high Pucker Factor is being encountered.

28. Thousands of Vietnam Veterans earned medals for bravery every day. A few were even awarded.

29. Running out of pedal, fore or aft cyclic, or collective are all bad ideas. Any combination of these can be deadly.

30. There is only one rule in war: When you win, you get to make up the rules.

31. C-4 can make a dull day fun.

32. There is no such thing as a fair fight - only ones where you win or lose.

33. If you win the battle you are entitled to the spoils. If you lose you don't care.

34. Nobody cares what you did yesterday or what you are going to do tomorrow. What is important is what you are doing - NOW - to solve our problem.

35. Always make sure someone has a P-38. Uh, that's a can opener for those of you who aren't military.

36. Prayer may not help...but it can't hurt.

37. Flying is better than walking. Walking is better than running. Running is better than crawling. All of these, however, are better than extraction by Medivac, even if it is technically, a form of flying.

38. Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR.

39. A grunt is the true reason for the existence of the helicopter. Every helicopter flying in Vietnam had one real purpose: To help the grunt. It is unfortunate that many helicopters never had the opportunity to fulfill their one true mission in life, simply because someone forgot this fact.

40. IF EVERYONE DOES NOT COME HOME, NONE OF THE REST OF US CAN EVERFULLY COME HOME EITHER!!!


IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, YOU PROBABLY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THESE



THANKS FOR YOUR SERVICE fellow VET.

Oldmanzues
03-23-2013, 07:57 PM
Many owe their live to Ed Freeman. Many do not know of him. All should.
Oldmanzues

Jeriatric
03-23-2013, 10:45 PM
Click play and close your eyes............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0q42WTJdC0

grumpybob
03-24-2013, 05:46 PM
Click play and close your eyes............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0q42WTJdC0

Good video. Hueys, Gunships, & Chinooks all did great service to this country back then.

bruiser
03-24-2013, 06:19 PM
A lot of downed pilots were glad to see this one show up. H3 Jolly Green Giant.


65223

grumpybob
03-24-2013, 06:24 PM
A lot of downed pilots were glad to see this one show up. H3 Jolly Green Giant.


65223


That is one tough chopper, probably the toughest used in Nam. Landed in a couple of hot LZ's in one. They "take a lickin' and keep on tickin' ".