ST info and details

[Lamonster]

There may be questions about the ST you would like to ask and I do have some details you may or may not know so I'll post them here.

For starters the ST is the middle of the road between the RS and the RT. It has more relaxed ergonomics and better wind protection than the RS but keeps the sporty look and handling performance of the RS. It is an evolution of the two units.

The foot position is 5" forward compared to the RS. This gives the average rider a 93 degree knee bend compared to a 78 degree bend on the RS. The seating position has also been adjusted for long distance riding.

The handlebar position has also been adjusted for a more relaxed riding ergos. The Spyder ST is pulled back 4" and is higher by 3.3" compared to a 2012 RS.

The Sport Touring seat has been redesigned for both aggressive cornering and long distance travel. The saddle has different foam density in key areas to achieve this. In other words this is not the same foam density through out the seat like most seats.

As you know the new sport console is more in line with the RT than the RS yet it is small enough to maintain the sporty look while giving the rider better hand, upper body and helmet protection when compared to the RS. The console has lower wind deflectors along with a manually adjustable windshield that has 4" of travel.

The base model ST comes with:


15" metallic silver twin spoke front rims with low profile tires
Adjustable passenger footboards
Multifunction color display
998 Rotax V-twin with 100 horsepower and 80 foot pounds of torque, same as the RT
Left grip electronic command center with LED back lighting. same as the RT
Electronic parking brake that is self adjusting
44 liters front storage
RT-622 trailer capability
Front fenders are old style 2008-2012
Comes in one color only (Pure Magnesium Metallic) $18,899 (SM5), $20,399 (SE5)


The Spyder model ST-S comes with:

15" carbon black six twin blade spoke front wheels with low profile tires
Adjustable passenger footboards
998 Rotax V-twin with 100 horsepower and 80 foot pounds of torque, same as the RT
Left grip electronic command center with LED back lighting. same as the RT
Multifunction color display
Electronic parking brake that is self adjusting
44 liters front storage
Refined front fenders design with improved aerodynamics and integrated front LED lights
Rider footboards (SE5 only) with vibration dampening
"S" trim package with carbon black handlebars, footrest, rear sprocket, exhaust and springs. Plus painted upper a-arms and front spoiler cover
Electronic cruise control
RT-622 trailer capability
Comes in (Circuit Yellow Metallic) and (Pure Magnesium Metallic) $20,099 (SM5), $21,799 (SE5)


The Spyder ST Limited model comes with:

15" twelve spoke chrome front wheels, chrome accents on the exhaust tip and heat shield
Adjustable passenger footboards
998 Rotax V-twin with 100 horsepower and 80 foot pounds of torque, same as the RT
Left grip electronic command center with LED back lighting. same as the RT
Multifunction color display
Electronic parking brake that is self adjusting
44 liters front storage
AM/FM audio system with iPod cable, weather band and (optional) satellite radio
Garmin 660 GPS
Removable rigid saddlebags that are lockable and color matched (68 liter extra storage)
Rider heated grips
"Limited" embroidered seat
Front cargo liner
12 volt power outlet
Rider footboards (SE5 only) with vibration dampening
Refined front fenders design with improved aerodynamics and integrated front LED lights
RT-622 trailer capability
Comes in (Blackcurrent) and (Pearl White) $24,599 (SE5 only)


New for all 2013 this year:

New suspension geometry tire to ground contact
New redesigned frame to offer more rigidity
New engine mounting to reduce vibrations transmitted to the frame and reduce engine movement under load
New battery location, battery is now located in the front of the frame and is access through the front trunk
New improved clutch components with new friction plate material and an additional friction and steel plate added to the pack along with a new oil cooling jet nozzle. Kit will retrofit to all previous Roadster models
New shorter a-arms, tie-rods, ball joints and swaybar with more upright shock mount
2013 front shock are calibrated to meet all preload requirements considering the new suspension geometry and are non-adjustable except for the RSS
New swaybars are calibrated for each unit based on curb weight, 1.RS&ST 2.RS-S 3.RT
New 15" front wheels with low profile tires (less sidewall flex)
Refined front fenders design with improved aerodynamics and integrated front LED lights (except for base models)
New high performance Brembo brakes specifically designed for the Can-Am Spyder with 20mm larger diameter and 1mm thicker
New self adjusting parking brake
New generation VSS to provide even more control in ABS situations
998 Rotax V-twin with 100 horsepower and 80 foot pounds of torque
All three models use the same exhaust with variations in colors and heat shield designs



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoR4IyGlf4

[Lamonster]

Did you notice the ST Faran is sitting on is two tone? :doorag:

[Spydr in KS]

There is a comfort seat option for the ST, is that the same comfort seat BRP has had for the RS?

[Lamonster]

There is a comfort seat option for the ST, is that the same comfort seat BRP has had for the RS?

I don't know for sure but I can find out. I do know that a lot of work went into designing this seat for the best of both worlds. It's not just a shape design but the proper density of foam has been placed in key places. :doorag:

[Spydr in KS]

Thanks, that's why I find it strange to see an optional seat

[mooneych]

I would like to see a compatibility list, or a space for comments, to determine what aftermarket parts would fit on an ST. I have too much money invested in my 09RS SM5 to start over from scratch.

From what I determine, the EVO swaybar is out, due to the new geometry. I understand the new front end and suspension does rather well.

Will my dual-exhaust bolt on? What about the luggage rack/back rest? Windshields?

Thanks for creating this ST space. I'll be reading. :doorag::popcorn:

[Lamonster]

I would like to see a compatibility list, or a space for comments, to determine what aftermarket parts would fit on an ST. I have too much money invested in my 09RS SM5 to start over from scratch.

From what I determine, the EVO swaybar is out, due to the new geometry. I understand the new front end and suspension does rather well.

Will my dual-exhaust bolt on? What about the luggage rack/back rest? Windshields?

Thanks for creating this ST space. I'll be reading. :doorag::popcorn:

The exhaust is the same as on all units now and it is like the RT not the RS. Your pipes will not bolt up.

I'm 99% sure your luggage rack/backrest will.

Windshield will not but this is the better than any RS windshield out there now.

[NoJive]

Interesting. I would guess that is one of the test mules, possibly disguised as a silver/black RS?


Did you notice the ST Faran is sitting on is two tone? :doorag:

[Spydr in KS]

Is the trunk liner different now that the battery is up front?

[IWN2RYD]

I cannot believe anyone has not yet said it... nojoke

They moved the battery! This is good correct? I thought a good amount of folks here suggested that over the years :opps:

I think this is wonderful. For add ons, jump starts, Trickle Charging, and just down right access! Having to remove so much of the Spyder to remove the battery before was a bit of a chore... Looking forward to seeing pics of this...

[Spydr in KS]

I cannot believe anyone has not yet said it... nojoke

They moved the battery! This is good correct? I thought a good amount of folks here suggested that over the years :opps:

I think this is wonderful. For add ons, jump starts, Trickle Charging, and just down right access! Having to remove so much of the Spyder to get remove the battery before was a bit of a chore... Looking forward to seeing pics of this...

See post #1 in this thread, it was news to me!!

"New battery location, battery is now located in the front of the frame and is access through the front trunk"

[Lamonster]

Is the trunk liner different now that the battery is up front?

Yes

[IWN2RYD]

Just thought I would say thank you to BRP and those on these forums... It is clear BRP listens. Even if it is not on our time frame... A few of the changes they made as they devoloped the ST are what many here have asked including myself... http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?25308-Suggestions-for-BRP-on-the-RS-model-on-the-2012-s

[SpyderAnn01]

So the removable rigid bags are only available on the Limited?

[Lamonster]

So the removable rigid bags are only available on the Limited?

No, they are included on the Limited,,you can add them to any of the ST's as an accessory.

[Lamonster]

I just got word that it looks like Dec. before they start hitting the dealer showrooms. :popcorn::banghead::popcorn:

[Spyder Cat]

Thanks for this thread Lamont. :thumbup:

We've been trying without success (probably due to our slow connection) to access the BRP site to determine which upgrades we would want if we get the ST-S. Do you know if the heated grips are available on the ST-S, and if so, how much?

Also, with the new positioning, do you know if the present Corbin seats (RS and/or RT) would work on the 2013's?

[Lamonster]

Thanks for this thread Lamont. :thumbup:

We've been trying without success (probably due to our slow connection) to access the BRP site to determine which upgrades we would want if we get the ST-S. Do you know if the heated grips are available on the ST-S, and if so, how much?

Also, with the new positioning, do you know if the present Corbin seats (RS and/or RT) would work on the 2013's?

The heated grips will be an option for the ST-S but I don't have a price.
My guess is the RS Corbin seat will work on the ST but I don't know that for a fact. I do know there was very little change to the back of the frame.

[NancysToy]

The foot position is 5" forward compared to the RS. This gives the average rider a 93 degree knee bend compared to a 78 degree bend on the RS. The seating position has also been adjusted for long distance riding.
I believe this is the other way around. The RS requires you to bend your knee 93 degrees, but the ST will only require 78, similar to the RT. This is important, some folks with a replacement knee can only manage about 90 dgrees maximum, and it isn't comfortable to any great length of time. 78 degrees is a lot more achievable.

[Lamonster]

I believe this is the other way around. The RS requires you to bend your knee 93 degrees, but the ST will only require 78, similar to the RT. This is important, some folks with a replacement knee can only manage about 90 dgrees maximum, and it isn't comfortable to any great length of time. 78 degrees is a lot more achievable.

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=54571&d=1349111691

[IWN2RYD]

Off the wall question here...

By chance... Does BRP have in their back pocket... A Passenger Backrest that will be more like the RT type then the RS type as an option in the works? I know we have the backrest options like most bikes have. I mean a bolt on option with more of a "Hugging" and "Sturdy" backrest/storage type setup the RT has now. However bolt on like the smaller simpler version we have now.

If they do, or an aftermarket group has one that is really similar to the RT... I have a feeling they will sell more ST's in the long run. That single item is the only reason my wife is holding fast to the RT-S next year instead of the ST. I want the sporting ryde, she wants the touring comfort. And I think the ST can bring that combination to our home.

Granted... Having only been married a short period of time (18 years) I may not be interpreting her as accurately as one should. But we tried the RS-S and it was far to painful for her to ryde shotgun. The RT-S allowed her to not only ryde a few hours before becoming uncomfortable, but she liked driving it into town here and there...

I cannot say this enough... The ST looks to be the best choice for the majority of owners looking for what is missing on the RS "And" the RT... And I would really hate to miss the actual "need" this time around...

[Lamonster]

Off the wall question here...

By chance... Does BRP have in their back pocket... A Passenger Backrest that will be more like the RT type then the RS type as an option in the works? I know we have the backrest options like most bikes have. I mean a bolt on option with more of a "Hugging" and "Sturdy" backrest/storage type setup the RT has now. However bolt on like the smaller simpler version we have now.

If they do, or an aftermarket group has one that is really similar to the RT... I have a feeling they will sell more ST's in the long run. That single item is the only reason my wife is holding fast to the RT-S next year instead of the ST. I want the sporting ryde, she wants the touring comfort. And I think the ST can bring that combination to our home.

Granted... Having only been married a short period of time (18 years) I may not be interpreting her as accurately as one should. But we tried the RS-S and it was far to painful for her to ryde shotgun. The RT-S allowed her to not only ryde a few hours before becoming uncomfortable, but she liked driving it into town here and there...

I cannot say this enough... The ST looks to be the best choice for the majority of owners looking for what is missing on the RS "And" the RT... And I would really hate to miss the actual "need" this time around...

I'm pretty sure the only backrest option you're going to see for the ST is the one they use on the RS now.

http://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/mfg/4630/product_image/3a70a174cc32262a37335e6d2797af6c.jpg

[IWN2RYD]

Thanks Lamont ^^... Makes the choice an easy one I guess... :(:roflblack:

[Spyder Cat]

Thanks for this thread Lamont. :thumbup:

We've been trying without success (probably due to our slow connection) to access the BRP site to determine which upgrades we would want if we get the ST-S. Do you know if the heated grips are available on the ST-S, and if so, how much?



Wouldn't ya know it, I didn't select YELLOW as the ST-S color selection on the BRP site and finally got thru!!!
the price for the heated grips are $199.99 :firstplace: :clap: :2thumbs: :D :thumbup::clap:

[MarkLawson]

Did I hear somewhere that all three Spyders, RS RT & ST, will have the same engine? If so, which fuel will they recommend for use?

[Bob Denman]

Probably the 91 octane juice... this engine's compression ratio is higher than the old one that was in the GS/RS models.

[FaranH]

Interesting. I would guess that is one of the test mules, possibly disguised as a silver/black RS?

You are exactly right. If you'll look really close at the headlight area, you'll see they've used black tape to change the shape. It's on other parts as well to camoflage the body style.

A funny story: While we were on our test ride, we got stuck at a series of stoplights in a smallish town. There was a guy in a van to the left of me craning his head hard at every light to take a look. It was more than just your average "what is that?!" kind of look. And remember we're in Quebec where Spyders are extremely common, so it wasn't just seeing 4 Spyders that got his attention.

So he's in the left turn lane and we're in the right. We go different directions and then we pull over for a quick stop a few blocks away. I told the guys from BRP what I'd seen and as I'm talking, the van pulls in right behind us and the guy jumps out pointing and asking all kinds of questions. Of course it's all in French so I can't understand a word. But it was obvious he knew that we was seeing something different. Turns out he worked for a local dealer and was very knowledgeable about Spyders. They didn't let him get within 50 feet of the ST and finally shooed him away.nojoke There's only so much disguising you can do, I guess. :doorag:

[Lamonster]

You are exactly right. If you'll look really close at the headlight area, you'll see they've used black tape to change the shape. It's on other parts as well to camoflage the body style.

A funny story: While we were on our test ride, we got stuck at a series of stoplights in a smallish town. There was a guy in a van to the left of me craning his head hard to take a look at every light. It was more than just your average "what is that?!" kind of look. And remember we're in Quebec where Spyders are extremely common, so it wasn't just seeing 4 Spyders that got his attention.

So he's in the left turn lane and we're in the right. We go different directions and then we pull over for a quick stop a few blocks away. I told the guys from BRP what I'd seen and as I'm talking, the van pulls in right behind us and the guy jumps out pointing and asking all kinds of questions. Of course it's all in French so I can't understand a word. But it was obvious he knew that we was seeing something different. Turns out he worked for a local dealer and was very knowledgeable about Spyders. They didn't let him get within 50 feet of the ST and finally shooed him away.nojoke There's only so much disguising you can do, I guess. :doorag:


The ones we drove were so butt ugly no one would even look at them. I think you had the next level unit that was pretty much the way it was going to before production. :doorag:

[Bob Denman]

They might have been asking for Faran's phone number... ;)

[FaranH]

They might have been asking for Faran's phone number... ;)

:opps: Bob! ;)

[Bob Denman]

Well Lamont kept saying that the bikes were ugly... :D

[IWN2RYD]

^HAhahahahahahaha!!!

And man, how cool it must be to not only ryde an entire year while being an ambassador for all of us, but you get compliments without even asking for them! hahahahahaha :bowdown: Now that is a gig my Wife and I would love to have...

[SpyderGirl]

From what I can tell in the pictures, very few of the things that I have put on my GS to make it comfortable and very "ST-like", will not work on the ST, more specifically, the Corbin saddlebags. I won't give those up. I wonder why BRP didn't consider designing their own removable panniers for this model.

[r1100rider]

Wouldn't ya know it, I didn't select YELLOW as the ST-S color selection on the BRP site and finally got thru!!!
the price for the heated grips are $199.99 :firstplace: :clap: :2thumbs: :D :thumbup::clap:It's real easy to put on heated grips aftermarket kits are 40 the element style that go under the stock grips

[SpyderRx]

What are the wind deflectors like for the ST? Is it the same as the old ones for the RS and if not, are they adjustable and will they fit an RS?

[chris56]

Did you notice the ST Faran is sitting on is two tone? :doorag:
:thumbup:

how is the the new "heat-management" of the ST .. specially for the feet of the passsenger ??

[Lamonster]

:thumbup:

how is the the new "heat-management" of the ST .. specially for the feet of the passsenger ??

I was never a passenger so I couldn't say. I didn't have any heat issues but I'm one of those lucky ones that has very little heat issues, more on my RS than my RT.

[Hecam17]

Does anyone know if the new ST will be displayed at shows? For that matter all the 13's?
In particular the Progressive International Motorcycle show coming to Atlanta area Nov 2-4?
BRP is an ongoing exhibitor, we saw the 12's at the Charlotte, NC show in early spring.

Thanks!

[Bob Denman]

I'd bet more than a nickel that they'll be there... :thumbup: