Shop told me that the hot foot mods would kill my master cylinder

[Spyder Monkey]

So I just picked up my bike from the shop yesterday. It was throwing a code "1282" about low pressure in the brake line.

So they replaced both front calipers and and the master cylinder under warranty. But the shop guy was very emphatic that the Spyderpops mods to save my feet were cooking the master cylinder and it would fail again if I did not remove them.

I'm frustrated and torn. It is VERY hot where I ride and the stop and go traffic is probably murder on brake temp. Before I got the Spyderpops heat shield, I actually melted the glue holding the sole on for my Sidi boot.

Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions? I'm starting to think maybe the Spyder is just not compatible with Houston commuting.

David

[bullant12]

So I just picked up my bike from the shop yesterday. It was throwing a code "1282" about low pressure in the brake line.

So they replaced both front calipers and and the master cylinder under warranty. But the shop guy was very emphatic that the Spyderpops mods to save my feet were cooking the master cylinder and it would fail again if I did not remove them.

I'm frustrated and torn. It is VERY hot where I ride and the stop and go traffic is probably murder on brake temp. Before I got the Spyderpops heat shield, I actually melted the glue holding the sole on for my Sidi boot.

Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions? I'm starting to think maybe the Spyder is just not compatible with Houston commuting.

David

I'd find another dealer. I lot of users here have Spyderpop's products and I don't think any of them have had issues.:lecturef_smilie:

[bruiser]

Been running the blocker on our '10 RTS since last June and haven't had a problem. Gets pretty hot here to.

[YumaJim]

I ryde in Yuma, Arizona and I swear by SpyderPops. I'd be looking for another dealer. Many of us have....

[Firefly]

So I just picked up my bike from the shop yesterday. It was throwing a code "1282" about low pressure in the brake line.

So they replaced both front calipers and and the master cylinder under warranty. But the shop guy was very emphatic that the Spyderpops mods to save my feet were cooking the master cylinder and it would fail again if I did not remove them.

I'm frustrated and torn. It is VERY hot where I ride and the stop and go traffic is probably murder on brake temp. Before I got the Spyderpops heat shield, I actually melted the glue holding the sole on for my Sidi boot.

Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions? I'm starting to think maybe the Spyder is just not compatible with Houston commuting.

David

Without actually doing some heat readings with the shields installed... and then removed... the mechanic is just guessing at what is going on.

[effgjamis]

So I just picked up my bike from the shop yesterday. It was throwing a code "1282" about low pressure in the brake line.

So they replaced both front calipers and and the master cylinder under warranty. But the shop guy was very emphatic that the Spyderpops mods to save my feet were cooking the master cylinder and it would fail again if I did not remove them.

I'm frustrated and torn. It is VERY hot where I ride and the stop and go traffic is probably murder on brake temp. Before I got the Spyderpops heat shield, I actually melted the glue holding the sole on for my Sidi boot.

Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions? I'm starting to think maybe the Spyder is just not compatible with Houston commuting.

David

First, I have never had your issue of brake temp issue due to heat.
Second, If it were not for heat shield I would have a right foot burn off.
Third, Have you taken the bottom panels off after installing the heat shield? If not, that is your problem.

As to temp I think I ride in about the hottest area this year. All the way from and to Durango, 100 Plus degrees. Also today 99 degrees where I live.

[donec]

If your really concerned then get one of the Non-Contact Infrared Thermometer With Laser Targeting like at harbor freight....
http://www.harborfreight.com/non-contact-laser-thermometer-96451.html

And check the master cylinder after a long hot ride with the Spyderpops mods and without.

[RAYYOU]

I live very near you in Texas and run all of Spyderpops products. No brake temp problems in the last year and a half. I feel it is your dealer. For some reason certain dealers want to blame every problem on aftermarket accessories and other are impressed by them. Just my 2 cents.

[CyncySpyder]

Third, Have you taken the bottom panels off after installing the heat shield? If not, that is your problem


:agree:As others have stated, I too had the sole of my boot come undone from the exteme heat from the right side vent. I had misplaced my SpyderPops HeatShield when I took it off over the winter:dontknow: and then couldn't locate it:lecturef_smilie: and Teddy and I rode for the hottest 2 months without it:yikes: and got the melted sole of my boot:sour: Finally located it, and replaced it, and all is well in our world once again:yes:I'd think if the SpyderPops HeatShield was truly causing your problem, then I'd be inclined to think that your temp. gauge :mad:would be reading in the higher limits:chill: Ours rarely EVER goes above 5 bars (on the digital gauge) :thumbup: As forrest mentioned, have you made sure that the lower (underneath) splash guard has been removed:hun: to alow more airflow to espcape:clap:If not, I'd recommend doing that NOW:rolleyes: Keep us updated and I hope you get this worked out. Ryding with a blow torch on your right foot is NO FUN nojoke

[SpyderAnn01]

I melted the glue on both my right and left boot but no brake problems. Spyderpops with the bottom panel removed.

[cyclelover63]

I wouldn't think your master cylinder gets any hotter on your Spyder than the one in your car...Just sayin..

[flamingobabe]

David...are you going to Mancuso Edgebrook? I have all of Spyderpops products....no brake problems...Mark says the heat sheild actually protects the brake master cyl....Mancuso is looking for ways to cover their a.... and lack of knowledge....do not remove the heat sheild.....

[MindlessMuse]

My local dealer here in PA just started to sell some of SpyderPops heat remedies, so I would doubt they would be installing them if it were causing issues like that.

[Bob Denman]

Dealers are alwys going to be suspect of non-factory modifications and additions. Tell them to explain exactly how this mod burns down the brakes. Then ask to see their temperature readings that support this "Theory". :gaah:
Oh! Make sure that the bottom tins are out of the bike so that the heat can leak out somewhere... :thumbup:

[Spyder Monkey]

David...are you going to Mancuso Edgebrook? I have all of Spyderpops products....no brake problems...Mark says the heat sheild actually protects the brake callieber....Mancuso is looking for ways to cover their a.... and lack of knowledge....do not remove the heat sheild.....

Nope, I am driving all the way to Katy for Wild West Honda.

Nice guys I think but the visit was a little more annoying than I had hoped. See my other thread about my brake failure:
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?42446-Brake-Failure-Code-1282-on-08-GS-need-advice.

I still have the bottom covers on, will add that to my list of tasks that need to get done.
David

[Oldmanzues]

Since nobody else has brought it up. Are you sure you are not touching the brake pedal, even a little ?
I should know better, but I did it again on a PGR escort coming to Funersl Home parking and lots of starts/stops. I blame new boots. Others say just getting old. Others say :cus:.
Oldmanzues

[Spyder Monkey]

Since nobody else has brought it up. Are you sure you are not touching the brake pedal, even a little ?
I should know better, but I did it again on a PGR escort coming to Funersl Home parking and lots of starts/stops. I blame new boots. Others say just getting old. Others say :cus:.
Oldmanzues

I really hoped that would be the problem but apparently it was a real problem. Shop said they bled the lines and would get pressure up just fine and then it would act like it had a bubble and no pressure. They bled it several times then gave up and replaced most of the brake system.

So yeah, thanks for the idea but they were able to reproduce an actual low pressure with the bike up on the lift.

David

[dshogman]

Interesting posts - I have a RS. Is the removal of the pans (sheet metal) a thing on the RT or does it also apply to the RS.
Thanks.

[coz]

i don't get all these hot foot problems on the gs, rs. i have no problems at all. i ride in mesh gym shoes. home made heat management is about it. check your right side exhaust clamp, make sure it's real tight. remove your splashpans from underneath, you should be good to go.:thumbup:
maybe it's my coooooooooooool exhaust.:roflblack:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

i don't get all these hot foot problems on the gs, rs. i have no problems at all. i ride in mesh gym shoes. home made heat management is about it. check your right side exhaust clamp, make sure it's real tight. remove your splashpans from underneath, you should be good to go.:thumbup:
maybe it's my coooooooooooool exhaust.:roflblack:

Coz, I agree with you on this . Vermont doesn't get a lot of hot days, but lately there has been a string of 90's...and I have never had any hot foot problems either....I have no special diverters either and my pans are even intact.....I think it's the RT that has this issue more than the RS-GS.....Mike...:thumbup:

[SPYDERPOPS]

David,
You had a brake code before you rolled into my shop if I'm not mistaken. Tell them that!

Mark is correct, the shield protects the master cylinder up to 2000 degrees.

Don't remove the lower panels with the air management system as the panel funnels the hot air to the inside and past the heat shield. The RT is different in managing the air.

The guy that told you it would overheat the master cylinder is very mis-informed!

Harvey

[seansr917]

I get the hot foot on my 09 phantom, going to get the Honda gaskets and try that first.

[AbNormy]

how many miles on yours? I just got all the heat management stuff from Harvey and it's a LOT better. I'm gonna get a laser heat gauge from Harbor Freight just to see how hot mine gets. Master Cyl and calipers? past experience from years of working on all kinds of vehicles is master cylinders fail when not other parts replaced and m cyl not bled right. but with low miles that doesn't make sense. These use dot 4 correct? anyone used dot 5 yet? I looked at my fluid adn it sure looked dark though now I'm wondering. it's been over 100 for the last 2 weeks here in Austin, and can't help but wonder what else I can do. thinking I wanna wrap what exhaust I can reach change my brake fluid out make sure I keep my fire extinguisher pistol handy. :dontknow:

[SPYDERPOPS]

David,
Next time you talk to that service guy tell him that the code was there before the heat shield was put on.

The heat shield is designed to protect the master cylinder and your foot. It adds 2000 degree protection to the master cylinder that was not protected from the exhaust right next to it.

I have had a real low pedal when my Y gasket blew on a trip. Brake fluid doesn't like that extreme heat from leaky Y gaskets.

Didn't you just replace them not long ago?

Harvey

Sorry if this looks like a double post. I'm on the road and didn't think the other one posted from my iPhone.
Just saw the other one after writing this one.

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[Spyder Monkey]

David,
Next time you talk to that service guy tell him that the code was there before the heat shield was put on.

The heat shield is designed to protect the master cylinder and your foot. It adds 2000 degree protection to the master cylinder that was not protected from the exhaust right next to it.

I have had a real low pedal when my Y gasket blew on a trip. Brake fluid doesn't like that extreme heat from leaky Y gaskets.

Didn't you just replace them not long ago?

Harvey

Sorry if this looks like a double post. I'm on the road and didn't think the other one posted from my iPhone.
Just saw the other one after writing this one.

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You are correct, it was throwing codes long before the heat shield mods. The previous owner had the Y pipe gaskets replaced less than 6 months ago.

So the way this tech was talking, he was pointing to the plate by my foot and claiming it was trapping hot air in by the Master Cylinder. But you are correct that the other mods keep the hot air out of the compartment. Sorry if my ignorance cast doubt on your products, I'd definitely trust you over these guys. I just wish you weren't 7 hours away :).

So it sounds like I need to check my Y gaskets and maybe spend the money on the Honda ones? Looks like the slip joints were replaced 2 years earlier.

It's the powerlessness that annoys me... need to get smarter on this thing so I am not at the mercy of ignorant dealers that have BUDS.

David

[boborgera]

:).

So it sounds like I need to check my Y gaskets and maybe spend the money on the Honda ones? Looks like the slip joints were replaced 2 years earlier.




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