NON-ETHNOL GAS

[scooterexpress]

on our trip to durango i made it a point to get non-ethnol gas after 2 stops filling up with this gas there was no difference in gas milage or perfomance has anybody else tried riding with non-ethnol to see if there was diff in my opinion it wasn't worth the extra money to go out of the way to get it.anyone else have a opinion or tried this?. thanks

[Desert Spyder]

I don't know if its ethanol related or not but as soon as I got released from California gas and put Arizona, Utah, and Colorado fuel in, my MPG shot up 5 miles while towing a trailer.:bowdown:

[Recluze]

I don't know if its ethanol related or not but as soon as I got released from California gas and put Arizona, Utah, and Colorado fuel in, my MPG shot up 5 miles while towing a trailer.:bowdown:

I have had the identical experience. I always blamed the ethanol. When I got to Illinois where they sell 15 % ethanol my gas mileage got worse. It did not take me two tanks to see the difference.

[billybovine]

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.

[Desert Spyder]

I have had the identical experience. I always blamed the ethanol. When I got to Illinois where they sell 15 % ethanol my gas mileage got worse. It did not take me two tanks to see the difference.

Bob, so glad you added the link to your blog. Its been a while since I've read them. You have a unique style of writing, like a travel magazine, that makes the reader want to go to the locations you have been to. I remember your blogs prior to the 09 Owners Event where we first met. Keep up the good words and good health.

[steve635]

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.

However, if you are getting 30 MPG, this would only account for a difference of 1.5 MPG. I know the difference was greater than that in my RS (I only have 1K on the Spyder, so mileage would be expected to improve but the difference was impressive). Have also noticed at least a 10% improvement on my RAM truck. Since the difference in price for me is only .10 a gallon, it definitely makes sense to use the non-ethanol, but the main reason I use it is to avoid the hygroscopic effects of ethanol in the event that I have to leave it for any significant length of time.

[billybovine]

However, if you are getting 30 MPG, this would only account for a difference of 1.5 MPG. I know the difference was greater than that in my RS (I only have 1K on the Spyder, so mileage would be expected to improve but the difference was impressive). Have also noticed at least a 10% improvement on my RAM truck. Since the difference in price for me is only .10 a gallon, it definitely makes sense to use the non-ethanol, but the main reason I use it is to avoid the hygroscopic effects of ethanol in the event that I have to leave it for any significant length of time.


I have no way of testing the effect of ethonal vs. non-ethonal gas. I live in the province of Ontario and I can buy 15% ethonal but regular and premium gas can contain up to 10% ethonal without being marked. The only assumption I can make is that premium will contain 10% ethonal because it is a cheaper way of boosting octane. It is good to know that mileage will suffer more with ethonal then the energy numbers may sugest.

[steve635]

I have no way of testing the effect of ethonal vs. non-ethonal gas. I live in the province of Ontario and I can buy 15% ethonal but regular and premium gas can contain up to 10% ethonal without being marked. The only assumption I can make is that premium will contain 10% ethonal because it is a cheaper way of boosting octane. It is good to know that mileage will suffer more with ethonal then the energy numbers may sugest.

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City
Brand
Octane
Name
Street Address
GPS*




All
SHELL
91
All
All Canada
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=All+Canada,+All,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=2553)


All
ESSO
91
Not All Stations Have Ethanol Free 91 Octane
All Ontario
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=All+Ontario,+All,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5793)


Almonte
UNBRANDED
91
Francis Getgo (Francis Fuels)
365 Ottawa Street
N45.23362 W76.18639
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=365+Ottawa+Street,+Almonte,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8534)


Any
UNBRANDED
91
Drummonds Fuel
Any
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Any,+Any,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6998)


Athens
UNBRANDED
91
Kelsey's Marina
844 Water St
N44.57321 W76.00099
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=844+Water+St,+Athens,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6633)


Barrie
SHELL
91
Shell
86 Barrieview Dr
N44.33526 W79.68808
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=86+Barrieview+Dr,+Barrie,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=2222)


Bethany
UNBRANDED
87 89 91
Bethany Fuels
Hwy 7
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Hwy+7,+Bethany,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6997)


Brampton
CANADIAN TIRE
91
All
Mclaughlin And Bovaird
N43.69603 W79.79759
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Mclaughlin+And+Bovaird,+Brampton,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5415)


Britt
ESSO
87 89
Wright's Marina Limited
1624 Riverside Drive
N45.46057 W80.35083
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5004)


Brooklin
ULTRAMAR
91
Ultramar
49 Winchester Rd W Brooklin, Ont, L1m2b5
N43.95230 W78.96594
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=49+Winchester+Rd+W+Brooklin,+Ont,+L1m2b5,+Brookl in,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=3962)


Burlington
SHELL
91
Shell
1221 Guelph Line
N43.35703 W79.81074
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1221+Guelph+Line,+Burlington,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=3281)


Calabogie
UNBRANDED
94
W.O. Stinson
4709 Calabogie Rd.
N45.30650 W76.71650
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=4709+Calabogie+Rd.,+Calabogie,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8801)


Caledonia
SHELL
91
Caledonia
Argyle St S
N43.07124 W79.95301
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Argyle+St+S,+Caledonia,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1462)


Charleston
UNBRANDED
91
Lake Line Lodge & Marina
782 Cedar Park Road
N44.56902 W75.99948
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=782+Cedar+Park+Road,+Charleston,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6557)


Chatham
SHELL
87
Shell
St. Clair And Mcnaughton Sts
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=St.+Clair+And+Mcnaughton+Sts,+Chatham,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1493)


Cloyne
UNBRANDED
91
Smart's Marina
1018 Smart Rd
N44.85629 W77.18024
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1018+Smart+Rd,+Cloyne,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5160)


Courtice
SHELL
91
Shell
1350 Taunton Road East
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1350+Taunton+Road+East,+Courtice,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5288)


Dunchurch
SHELL
87 91
Duck Rock General Store
Highway #124
N45.66247 W79.78164
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Highway+#124,+Dunchurch,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8544)


Elmvale
UNBRANDED
87 89 91
R & P Variety
2236 Cr-92 Cr-29
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=2236+Cr-92+Cr-29,+Elmvale,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8919)


Gananoque
ULTRAMAR
87
Gordon Marine Ltd.
129 South St.
N44.32570 W76.15665
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=129+South+St.,+Gananoque,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1147)


Gravenhurst
SHELL
87 89 91
Shell
2269 Highway 11 South
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=2269+Highway+11+South,+Gravenhurst,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5782)


Hanmer
SHELL

Shell
Municipal Road 80 & Dennie St.
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Municipal+Road+80+&+Dennie+St.,+Hanmer,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=669)


Kenora
CANADIAN TIRE
91
Canadian Tire Gas Bar
1229 17hwy East
N49.75954 W94.47217
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1229+17hwy+East,+Kenora,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6951)


Keswick
SHELL
91
Shell
Four Corners
N43.15565 W79.21442
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Four+Corners,+Keswick,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7653)


Little Rapids
MC DOUGAL FUELS
94
Little Rapids General Store
111 Main St
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=111+Main+St,+Little++Rapids,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=2029)


London
UNBRANDED

Loblaws / Superstore "Refuel"
Wonderland Rd & Southdale, Oxford & Gammage
N43.77154 W79.21819
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Wonderland+Rd+&+Southdale,+Oxford+&+Gammage,+London,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5134)


Markdale
UNBRANDED
87 91
Dairy Daughter
Toronto St. S.
N44.31867 W80.64810
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Toronto+St.+S.,+Markdale,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8823)


Midland
UNBRANDED
87 89
Bay Port Yachting Centre
156 Marina Park Drive
N44.75735 W79.89952
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=156+Marina+Park+Drive,+Midland,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5126)


Midland
UNBRANDED
89
Bayport Yatching Center
156 Marina Park Ave
N44.75735 W79.89952
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=156+Marina+Park+Ave,+Midland,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7450)


Mississauga
SHELL
91
Shell
1800, Bloor St East
N43.62530 W79.58523
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1800,+Bloor+St+East,+Mississauga,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1439)


Newmarket
SHELL
91
Shell
18263 Younge St
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=18263+Younge+St,+Newmarket,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=2247)


Niagara Region
UNBRANDED
91
Gale's Gas Bars
All Locations
N43.24224 W79.08346
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=All+Locations,+Niagara+Region,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7957)


Oro-Medonte
SHELL
91
Shell
Highway 11 Southbound, Just North On Oro Line 4
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Highway+11+Southbound,+Just+North+On+Oro+Line+4, +Oro-Medonte,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=3460)


Oshawa
SHELL
91
Shell
1350 Taunton Rd E
N43.94288 W78.83468
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1350+Taunton+Rd+E,+Oshawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8209)


Oshawa
SHELL
91
Simcoe Shell
962 Simcoe Street North
N43.92285 W78.87491
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=962+Simcoe+Street+North,+Oshawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1939)


Ottawa
UNBRANDED
91
Francis Fuels Gas Bar
1944 Merivale Road
N45.32688 W75.71996
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1944+Merivale+Road,+Ottawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8535)


Ottawa
UNBRANDED
91
Macewen
All
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=All,+Ottawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7893)


Ottawa
UNBRANDED
91
Petro Canada
Stations Where 94 Is Not Offered
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Stations+Where+94+Is+Not+Offered,+Ottawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8136)


Ottawa
SHELL

Shell V-Power Is Ethanol-Free In All Shell Stations In Canada
1234 Any Street
not available
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1234+Any+Street,+Ottawa,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=4564)


Peterborough
UNBRANDED
87
Endicot
700 Ashburnham Dr
N44.28975 W78.29719
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=700+Ashburnham+Dr,+Peterborough,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8449)


Port Hope
ULTRAMAR
91
Easton's Service Center
Hwy 401 / Cr28
N43.97300 W78.28750
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Hwy+401+/+Cr28,+Port+Hope,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=4790)


Rockford
SHELL
87 91
Macdonnell Fuels
Hwy 6/10
N44.52219 W80.91757
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Hwy+6/10,+Rockford,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8569)


Rockport
UNBRANDED
91
Ed Huck Marine
53 Front Street
N44.38197 W75.92939
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=53+Front+Street,+Rockport,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8143)


Sarnia
ESSO
87 91
Esso
1670 London Line
N42.98389 W82.32962
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=1670+London+Line,+Sarnia,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6372)


Sault Ste Marie
ESSO
87 89 91
Esso On The Run
3 Trunk Rd
N46.50976 W84.30118
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=3+Trunk+Rd,+Sault+Ste+Marie,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7012)


Sault Ste Marie
SHELL
87 89 91
Water Tower Shell
386 Great Northern Road
N46.53511 W84.31873
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=386+Great+Northern+Road,+Sault+Ste+Marie,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=7031)


St. Catharines
SHELL
91
Shell
389 Ontario St
N43.18065 W79.26700
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=389+Ontario+St,+St.+Catharines,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=1646)


Strathroy
UNBRANDED
87 89 91
Petrocan
168 Metcalfe St. E.
N42.95952 W81.61696
map (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=168+Metcalfe+St.++E.,+Strathroy,+ON)
details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=8313)


Toronto
MEGA GAS
87
Mega Gas
1121 Broadview
N43.68761 W79.35472
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Toronto - Scarborough
SHELL
91
Shell
1575 Warden Ave
N43.76516 W79.30195
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Trenton
ULTRAMAR
91
Ultramar
110,Hwy 33
not available
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6831)


Trenton/Carrying Place
UNBRANDED
91
Free Flow
22153 Loyalist Pkwy
N44.09999 W77.57741
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=6598)


Victoria
SHELL
91
Shell
Hwy 10 And King St
not available
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5584)


Waterloo
ESSO
87 89 91
Wagners Corner
885 King St. North
N43.51700 W80.54124
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=5593)


West Of London
ULTRAMAR
91
Ultramar
401 And Colonel Talbot Road
N42.85363 W81.27518
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=4021)


Whitby
UNBRANDED
91 94
Canadian Tire
Dundas St
N43.88088 W78.93785
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details (http://www.spyderlovers.com/station?station_id=878)


Whitby
UNBRANDED
89 91
Canadian Tire Dundas Gas Bar
1342 Dundas St E
N43.88513 W78.91938
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Whitby
SHELL
91
Taunton Road Whitby
685 Taunton Rd E
N43.92119 W78.92873
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Whitby
ULTRAMAR
91
Ultramar
Corner Of Thickson And Dundas
N43.88673 W78.91346
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Woodstock
SHELL
87 89 91
Eaton & Thompson Shell
Corner Of Devonshire Ave. And Huron St.
N43.14355 W80.75143
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[r1100rider]

on our trip to durango i made it a point to get non-ethnol gas after 2 stops filling up with this gas there was no difference in gas milage or perfomance has anybody else tried riding with non-ethnol to see if there was diff in my opinion it wasn't worth the extra money to go out of the way to get it.anyone else have a opinion or tried this?. thanksI have found it makes a definite differance things start quicker throttle responce is instant and a little increase in mileage iv'e seen 40 plus on an RS also it won't breakdown as fast when it sits, corn gas is bad in as little as 60 to 90 days

[bluestratos]

I have no doubt that the pure gas gives better performance and milage. I almost always use pure gas but on my recent trip to Reno I had to use what I could get. My MPG average dropped by 1.5 over all. I put in an additive that is supposed to improve this but if it did then the drop was even worse. The Power difference is subtle but I could feel it... off the line, up a hill or passing was horrible. Some of this had to be related to altitued as well, when I got back to the coast but still using the blended fuel my power was significantly better again.

Not sure I would drive out of my way, but when I can I use the real stuff.

[Recluze]

Bob, so glad you added the link to your blog. Its been a while since I've read them. You have a unique style of writing, like a travel magazine, that makes the reader want to go to the locations you have been to. I remember your blogs prior to the 09 Owners Event where we first met. Keep up the good words and good health.

My Number one and only Fan! Thanks for the kind words. I am going to be off like a prom dress as of next weekend so stay tuned. I am going East until I hit triple digets or get rained on.

[Recluze]

Pure ethonal has only 2/3 energy content of pure gasoline by volume. So it is logical to assume that a 15% blend you should lose 5% of your milage.
Yeah that all makes sense. I could take a 5 % hit and understand why. But 10% ethanol costs me 10 % mileage. 15% ethanol cost me 15% mileage. I guess burning pure ethanol I would get zero mileage. It doesn't make sense but then nothing about ethanol makes sense. The physics just don't add up.

[Marker]

I always stay away from ethanol unless I can use lower octane fuel in my car. Fueling the spyder is always min 91 octane fuel or higher if I can get it and the spyder runs awesome !!. My wife's new car is a Mazda 3 with skyactiv technology and it gets awesome fuel economy on pump reg octane 87 ethanol gas. The owners manual tells you to use 87 octane gas

[Desert Spyder]

My Number one and only Fan! Thanks for the kind words. I am going to be off like a prom dress as of next weekend so stay tuned. I am going East until I hit triple digets or get rained on.

Haha, you haven't changed much have you Bob.

[murphybrown]

Definite improvement for me....I have a non ethanol pump in my home town so I have run the "vs" comparison on at least 4 different "tests"....non ethanol gives me anywhere from 1.2 to 2.3 mpg improvement...difference usually (in my opinion) is how active the right hand is!!!!:clap::clap:

[bone crusher]

ethanol is crap...another 'green' idea that fails miserably. BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh! :banghead:

You end up spending more on fuel as ethanol is far less efficient...

[Recluze]

ethanol is crap...another 'green' idea that fails miserably. BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh! :banghead:

You end up spending more on fuel as ethanol is far less efficient...

It takes 3 gallons of petroleum based fuel to grow two gallons of ethanol. I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn. Of course then we would not need gasoline because the entire country would look like corn and what would be the point of going any where. Oh I know-we could drive out and look at the derelict windmills that are polluting the countryside out west.

You cannot legislate the laws of physics.

[steve635]

"BTW, you're still burning a carbon based fuel so emissions are not better anyway....argh!"

Just because a fuel is carbon based does not mean emissions are the same (far from it) compare coal to natural gas. Both are carbon based but one's emissions (NG) are almost entirely CO2 (which only the EPA could consider a pollutant, plants see it as dinner) and water vapor. The other's emissions have CO, Benzene, and lots of heavy hydrocarbon residual mess. The idea of ethanol though, has nothing to do with "green" energy, but rather "renewable" energy, which somehow gets lumped in the same basket.

"I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn."

Another problem with ethanol from corn (as though being inefficient and hygroscopic weren't enough) is that the actual ear of corn is used, meaning that corn is grown strictly for ethanol production, reducing the available food supply. Even if we really, really, wanted ethanol, producing it from corn makes no sense other than that there are a lot of corn farmers (who vote) in the U.S. Ethanol from sugar cane is produced from what is leftover after the juice is squeezed from the cane. The fuel still is less efficient, but at least it doesn't delete food stores.

[bone crusher]

It takes 3 gallons of petroleum based fuel to grow two gallons of ethanol. I guess they expect to make it up in volume. To replace foreign oil imports with ethanol would require planting 98 % of the US in corn. Of course then we would not need gasoline because the entire country would look like corn and what would be the point of going any where. Oh I know-we could drive out and look at the derelict windmills that are polluting the countryside out west.

You cannot legislate the laws of physics.

Corn is a horrible and inefficient way to go...period...the switch grass and sugar cane they use in Brazil is far better....regardless, ethanol is ethanol, and it just isn't as efficient as the real stuff...

I think hydrogen is the way to go...we just need a little more technology as the stuff passes through almost everything...meaning, it's hard to have a tank that can contain it long-term...

[MidLifeCrisis]

Every year, we looked forward to delicious local corn for great prices, but ever since it's been used for fuel, lousy fuel at that, the prices for corn has been through the roof and the quality of edible corn equally as bad. Using food as fuel is always a bad idea. All we have to do now is make sure we reduce enough CO2 to kill plant life and we're all in trouble. CO2 a pollutant.... Bahhhh....

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[Tkelter]

My manual says 87 octane or higher. I live in Kansas and Hyvee has 91 octane, no ethanol. Just filled up with it today. Haven't gone far enough to tell. I'll let you know if I notice a difference.

[WingmanRT]

My understanding is that ethanol left in your vehicle for prolonged periods will start to eat away at the seals. Is this true? If so, what would be difference between leaving it for long periods of time and constantly refilling it with ethanol based products?

[SpyderAnn01]

I don't know if its ethanol related or not but as soon as I got released from California gas and put Arizona, Utah, and Colorado fuel in, my MPG shot up 5 miles while towing a trailer.:bowdown:

Brian, I think it had more to do with the altitude than the gas. I had a passenger which I never had before and was towing my trailer and I got better gas mileage than I ever have. Also with the route we took I was at lower speed 65 - 70 than I would be on an expressway so that helped also.

[steve635]

My understanding is that ethanol left in your vehicle for prolonged periods will start to eat away at the seals. Is this true? If so, what would be difference between leaving it for long periods of time and constantly refilling it with ethanol based products?

Ehanol is hygroscopic, if it sits it attracts water. Once water is added, microbes can grow, and the addition of the microbes adds to the corrosive nature of the ethanol.