Another company to make a reverse trike? [Archive] - Can-Am Spyder & Ryker Three Wheel Motorcycles

mxz600

10-29-2010, 10:18 PM

WackyDan

10-29-2010, 10:29 PM

After getting requests to do a motorcycle survey, people are speculating that another company may be looking into marketing a reverse trike. Honda's name keeps popping up as a good possibility. While Honda would be a good one, I would like to see Yamaha and/or Polaris Industries get into the game. They both have been building high quality motorcycles and snowmobiles for years. A company that builds a motorcycle and a snowmobile in my opinion would be a perfect fit.
:popcorn:

As the economy SLOWLY improves you never know who might decide it is the right time to come out with one. It doesn't make a lot of sense for Honda unless they actually introduce it as a Goldwing model. I'm not sure anyone has the guts to do one as a super sport.

Yamaha would be interesting.

If BMW did one, I'd have to run right over to see it and make sure I left my wallet home!

Who knows? I think there is a lot of potential for growth out there as I run into countless people who are really interested in them and ride something else now.

Raptor

10-29-2010, 10:40 PM

As the economy SLOWLY improves you never know who might decide it is the right time to come out with one. It doesn't make a lot of sense for Honda unless they actually introduce it as a Goldwing model. I'm not sure anyone has the guts to do one as a super sport.

Yamaha would be interesting.

If BMW did one, I'd have to run right over to see it and make sure I left my wallet home!

Who knows? I think there is a lot of potential for growth out there as I run into countless people who are really interested in them and ride something else now.

Good points Dan. I see a great oppurtunity for growth in this concept and this market. It's only a matter of time before someone sees this potential and brings a product to market. I just hope they don't focus too much on touring aspect. There are many of us who like the sport/performance potential of this platform so I hope they don't lose sight of that demographic.

LDFIREWORKS

10-29-2010, 11:05 PM

:yikes::agree::agree:

WackyDan

10-29-2010, 11:08 PM

Good points Dan. I see a great oppurtunity for growth in this concept and this market. It's only a matter of time before someone sees this potential and brings a product to market. I just hope they don't focus too much on touring aspect. There are many of us who like the sport/performance potential of this platform so I hope they don't lose sight of that demographic.

Touring it seems is the safer bet... The Spyder has done well and owns the segment for reverse trikes.

I know I want more power and fun, but I'm not willing to give up the sport touring aspect of the GS/RS for something that is a Sport bike/trike... and may likely cost much more than the Spyder.

rogerb

10-30-2010, 08:08 AM

I had a guy that was looking at my Spyder at a restaurant this past summer and started asking me about the drive belt. He said a company he was affliated with was working on an electric reverse trike. He said they were having drive belt problems. The engine was putting out 109 HP but was breaking belts. He mentioned he was in automotives. Don't forget that Honda is being hush hush about the Gold Wing since they moved their operations back to Japan. :dontknow: This keeps everybody wondering and guessing. Look at the Victory Vision kind of ugly but what a bike. Boy to be young again. I'm glad we don't age like technology advances.

bikeguy

10-30-2010, 11:27 AM

If BMW did one, I'd have to run right over to see it and make sure I left my wallet home!

Me, too! Except if BMW built it, there likely wouldn't be enough in my wallet to cover it, anyway.

Cotton

Sarge707

10-30-2010, 12:30 PM

Honda tried to grab a share of the Watercraft market from Sea Doo (BRP has always had a vast majority in Jet Ski sales) and fell on its face so bad that they No Longer produce Personal Watercraft. (Last listed Model is 2009?)
People always complained about the maintenance problems with Sea Doo,s BUT (Like Spyder owners ) their PWC are riden a lot more hours and miles than the competition so yes they do require more maintenance?nojoke
How many people on here have said that after they got their :spyder2:their other motorcycle suffered from less use?:dontknow:

chris56

10-30-2010, 01:12 PM

all the new-comers will be compared with the level BRP has set -
for shure every new company will loose a lot of blood like BRP did-(steering / shocks/adjustments..)
also if we get 012 this new engine i would prefer that they invest more in the VSS system - like BMW did on the new K1600
think our RS/RT package is unbeatable in the moment

Firefly

10-30-2010, 01:48 PM

BRP has such a lead in this market--- I just don't think anyone else could give them a run for their money anytime soon.

The reverse trike ship has sailed--- and BRP beat everyone out of port.

SpyderWolf

10-30-2010, 04:26 PM

A Yamaha S-R1 might be a rather interesting concept. :D

widowmaker2011

10-30-2010, 04:55 PM

Me, too! Except if BMW built it, there likely wouldn't be enough in my wallet to cover it, anyway.

Cotton

It's already here.

http://www.gg-technik.ch/eng/quad/0495439a180a12304/6481289cbd12c4f1b/index.html

Sny

10-30-2010, 05:10 PM

looks like it'll be around $60k

http://www.gg-quad-northamerica.com/

chillirider

10-30-2010, 05:35 PM

At least if Honda makes one it will probably be more reliable.

bodymanpainter

10-30-2010, 06:07 PM

At least if Honda makes one it will probably be more reliable.

:agree:Would like to see a Goldwing in a reverse trike!

boborgera

10-30-2010, 06:27 PM

:agree:Would like to see a Goldwing in a reverse trike!

When asked what kind of drive system would you prefer, ie = belt/chain/or shaft. I said if your going to do it, Do it right make it Front wheel drive.:thumbup:

WaltH

10-30-2010, 07:01 PM

BRP has such a lead in this market--- I just don't think anyone else could give them a run for their money anytime soon.

The reverse trike ship has sailed--- and BRP beat everyone out of port.

I have to respectfully disagree with my friend on this. BRP did the heavy lifting which in a way makes it easier for the next entrant in the market. BRP defined the market and demonstrated the depth of consumer acceptance. They worked out the price points and the cost structure. They created an enormous amount of public interest in this product category. The new entrant could take advantage of all of this. It would not be necessary to reinvent this part of the wheel. They could concentrate of design creativity and covering the ground where BRP has demonstrated weakness.

Another competitor would help both companies in that it would help to validate the legitimacy of this kind of "motorcycle". Remember "real men don't ride trikes", or "trikes are for old men", or "trikes are for women". Another competitor would help to push the reverse trike into the mainstream of the motorcycle world. I think there are a lot of aging Harley riders who would like to have a reverse trike, if only it were a little more "legitimate" - a little more acceptable with their friends.

I for one, would like to see some competition. It could push BRP to better customer service, and may push the dealers to try a little harder. If the competitor were Honda, there would probably be a lot of dealer overlap. I don't know what this would mean.

Smylinacha

10-30-2010, 07:51 PM

Wish I could afford one of those! That is cool! I like how the hood of it scoops up and is part of the windshield. It looks mean.

It's already here.

http://www.gg-technik.ch/eng/quad/0495439a180a12304/6481289cbd12c4f1b/index.html

Smylinacha

10-30-2010, 07:54 PM

:agree:

I have to respectfully disagree with my friend on this. BRP did the heavy lifting which in a way makes it easier for the next entrant in the market. BRP defined the market and demonstrated the depth of consumer acceptance. They worked out the price points and the cost structure. They created an enormous amount of public interest in this product category. The new entrant could take advantage of all of this. It would not be necessary to reinvent this part of the wheel. They could concentrate of design creativity and covering the ground where BRP has demonstrated weakness.

Another competitor would help both companies in that it would help to validate the legitimacy of this kind of "motorcycle". Remember "real men don't ride trikes", or "trikes are for old men", or "trikes are for women". Another competitor would help to push the reverse trike into the mainstream of the motorcycle world. I think there are a lot of aging Harley riders who would like to have a reverse trike, if only it were a little more "legitimate" - a little more acceptable with their friends.

I for one, would like to see some competition. It could push BRP to better customer service, and may push the dealers to try a little harder. If the competitor were Honda, there would probably be a lot of dealer overlap. I don't know what this would mean.

Wheeler~

10-30-2010, 08:00 PM

Personally, I'm not impressed. It has some very interesting modifications like the pipes but it looks uncomfortable, very heavy and the aerodynamics don't seem to be there. I also think the graduation to the cruiser would involve a total redesign and BRP has already proven the demand for the cruiser. If the $60k is accurate, that old cliche', if you have to ask you can't afford it, unfortunately, refers to me! That's a huge chunk of my dream vacation log cabin in NC.

Raptor

10-30-2010, 08:13 PM

GG definitely makes nice stuff. I have seen the Quad up close and personal and it is a quality piece. The Taurus is extrememly appealing to me but the Quad was running about 67K a year ago. I imagine the Taurus is at about the mig-High fourty mark. Too much for me!

Firefly

10-30-2010, 09:39 PM

It's already here.

http://www.gg-technik.ch/eng/quad/0495439a180a12304/6481289cbd12c4f1b/index.html

That thing is BUTT-UGLY!

ValleySpyder

10-31-2010, 01:22 AM

It's already here.

http://www.gg-technik.ch/eng/quad/0495439a180a12304/6481289cbd12c4f1b/index.html

I'm saving my money...I want this if it comes to the states

WAIT!!! I just looked at their website.
It's here.
Sh*t. Gotta get it.
GGTaurusLovers.com...here I come.

effgjamis

10-31-2010, 06:31 AM

for that price I could hire a personal tech and have him ride in the trailer..:joke::roflblack:

docdoru

10-31-2010, 07:56 AM

GG TAURUS – Technical data
Engine
Type 4 cylinder liquid-cooled inline
Valves 4 valves per cylinder
Capacity 1’293 cc
Performance 129kW (175 bhp at 9250 rpm)
Torque 140Nm at 8250 rpm
Cat. converter three-way cat. converter
Gearbox 6 gears plus reverse gear

Lamonster

10-31-2010, 08:35 AM

I'm saving my money...I want this if it comes to the states

WAIT!!! I just looked at their website.
It's here.
Sh*t. Gotta get it.
GGTaurusLovers.com...here I come.
Hope you live in Texas because that is the only dealer in the US. Good luck getting work done on that machine.

USA / Canada

IMPORTER USA / CANADA

GG Quad North America
Mr. Keith Smith
4437 Druid Lane
Dallas, Texas USA 75205
Phone 01 (214) 559-4597
Fax 01 (214) 559-2776
www.gg-quad-northamerica.com (http://www.gg-quad-northamerica.com)
mailto:keith@quad-usa.com

SC_DOC

10-31-2010, 08:43 AM

http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/06/01/harley-davidson-leaning-trike-patent-application/

Din't know if Spyder's popularity will influence production decisions.

:D

chris56

10-31-2010, 02:10 PM

one of the spyderlovers bought one (GG-taurus).. had some problems with his black widow spyder .. met him on the european event - nice guy !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oRr4w1Ncj4

XLT

10-31-2010, 04:08 PM

WAY TO MUCH $$$ - I'LL TAKE A 3 WHEEL T-REX OR 4 WHEEL CORVETTE !!!

Recon

10-31-2010, 05:54 PM

It's already here.

http://www.gg-technik.ch/eng/quad/0495439a180a12304/6481289cbd12c4f1b/index.html

Is this built in Russia?? Remember their buddies built the Yugo!!!

Lamonster

10-31-2010, 05:55 PM

Just to add to this thread. :D
http://www.blackjackzero.com/mainindex.htm

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12898
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12897
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12896
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12895
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12894
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12893
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12892
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12891
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12890
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12889
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12888
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12887
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12886
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12885
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12884
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=21&pictureid=12883

Raptor

10-31-2010, 10:23 PM

See, the ideas are starting to flow! I like the cycle feel of the Spyder myself. I reckon that is why we own a couple! :ohyea:

Bob Denman

11-01-2010, 07:05 AM

BRP was here first and nobody can take that away... There'll be others and they'll probably learn from BRP's mistakes and maybe build a better bike...
But maybes and probablies don't get you out in the wind! Enjoy your Spyders! :thumbup:

Wheeler~

11-01-2010, 07:41 AM

[QUOTE=Lamonster;261060]Just to add to this thread. :D
http://www.blackjackzero.com/mainindex.htm

These are truly more car than bike. Interesting stuff Lamont but a beast of a different species! I'm pleased with my Spyder but hope that the introduction of the new entries in the Spyder category cause BRP to incorporate more of the suggestions requested from existing owners. Especially the ones in the safety feature area.

rogerb

11-01-2010, 07:51 AM

The ride inside motorcycle will prorably go in the same direction as the ride inside snowmobile (the Raider) by the wayside. Nice but not the same as riding in the open, sitting up high and being able to move around and you controlling the machine. Motorcycling is freedom not confinement.

Bob Denman

11-01-2010, 10:39 AM

:agree:

Motza

11-05-2010, 07:55 PM

If Honda produced the DN-01 in a reversed trike they would have a winner... I'd purchase one.

WackyDan

11-05-2010, 08:04 PM

widowmaker2011

11-05-2010, 09:56 PM

If Honda produced the DN-01 in a reversed trike they would have a winner... I'd purchase one.

680cc V-Twin engine with 61 horsepower..... I rode one , it was a slug. Add the weight of a three wheel chassis and you'd have a reliable, pitifully slow reverse trike. :D

Firefly

11-05-2010, 11:18 PM

This site has all kinds of reverse trikes--- been awhile since I've been on it-- but if someone makes one--- it's probably out here:

http://reversetrike.com/home.html

Firefly

11-05-2010, 11:26 PM

Some ready to buy I find interesting:

http://reversetrike.com/ready-to-ride.html

SilverSurfer

11-06-2010, 06:58 AM

Brand loyalty (Can Am) is certainly a factor, but the biggest issue for me would be equipment that is produced on a large scale with the ability to be serviced within a hundred miles or so. Everything on the reverse trike site is a specialty concept from one place and no real distribition. The GGs are cool, but as Lamonster pointed out ... One dealership in the US (TX). Where are they made? Then too, look at the aftermarket options. The only one that's caught on is the Can Am Spyder. I love my RT-S's touring configuration. Nothing else so far offers that.

Someone else pointed out on the other 'reverse trike' variants and that he preferred the motorcycle form factor, vs. that of a three wheeled car. I don't want to sit in it like a car. I want to sit on it like a bike/trike. Can Am wins the day.

Yes, I'd like to see a smoother and slightly larger displacement engine in the Spyders. It may come; but it isn't so critical that I'd go to something else. If Honda or Yamaha ... even BMW come online, now THAT would be interesting. Everything else is novelty.

Well, almost everything. There's a kit builder named Hannigan, who does a quad Goldwing GS1800 (http://thekneeslider.com/archives/2007/09/24/honda-gold-wing-quad-from-hannigan-motorsports/). In the article, he cites that he's toyed with the reverse trike concept, but because of the Wing's weight, he's gotta go quad for now. Problem is that quads aren't broadly street-legal, so he seems to hint that he's working on the GW reverse trike concept for broader legality in all states. A solid Goldwing reverse trike ... could you imagine? :)

Dwight

11-06-2010, 11:05 AM

Roadkill

11-06-2010, 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=Dwight]I can't see where Can Am is in the forefront of reverse trikes, particulary when this one (Ok it's a scooter) has been on the market for several years...

+The Spyder is not on the same target plain as the MP3ers. For a standardized mass-production reverse-trike effort, Can-Am's is tops.

Ride on.
Roadkill

mxz600

11-06-2010, 07:05 PM

Remember the Manta?

http://www.wjfw.com/Photos/Manta%20Snowmobile.jpg
I do remember them but I knew nothing about them as I had no interest. Wouldn't have worked for me the way I ride a sled. I like aggressive trail riding, hard into the corner, harder coming out of the corner. I would have killed myself in one of those if they had any speed to them. If they were fast they would have been fun on a lake.

Yazz

11-06-2010, 08:32 PM

Some ready to buy I find interesting:

http://reversetrike.com/ready-to-ride.html

If I win the lottery, sign me up for a Kamikaze.

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/LA_Auto_Show/LA_Auto_Show_2006/0140.jpg

Love seeing the guts of the beast...

Raptor

11-06-2010, 09:40 PM

If I win the lottery, sign me up for a Kamikaze.

http://www.urbanracer.com/gallery/gallery/event_coverage/LA_Auto_Show/LA_Auto_Show_2006/0140.jpg

Love seeing the guts of the beast...

I like the way you think! I was looking at that one too...

XLT

11-11-2010, 02:52 PM

I went three times in two years to Central Jersey Powersports (looked like some kind of front to me) to look at the T-Rex(very cool- very low -very fast side by side seated reverse trike) and also called sipnwurkz about the TT Busa.(something easly killed on, but you look great up to that point -reverse trike) Would have loved the T-Rex, but the price is very high over 50k, Also to be quite honest it is almost impossible to get in and out of unless you are under 35 years of age under 6ft tall a weigh less than 180. Service for it in my area would have been a problem. The TT Busa financing and insurance look to be problematic plus the getting killed part. You can find a lot of cool stuff on the You Tube about the T-Rex and for the 50k you don't get a windshield that's extra.:yikes:

jenmom22

11-11-2010, 05:52 PM

This is just my opinion, for what's it worth...

No matter how cool a new reverse-trike, or any kind of three-wheel is, I would never buy a first year. I learned this the hard way - when you buy anything in its first year, you are an unpaid research assistant, a consumer tester. Lots of things can (and do) go wrong, which they fix the second year. I have bought quite a few second year machines...

:ohyea:

Roadkill

11-11-2010, 06:27 PM

+Check out this 14-mile Top Gear transport of an extremely popular three-wheeler:

http://videosift.com/video/Top-Gear-Clarkson-tests-a-Reliant-Robin-3-wheeler

Ride on.
Roadkill
http://www.roadkillonline.net/imagedb_images/35_10319.JPG

awood279

11-12-2010, 11:59 AM

It's too bad that Harley put a patent on the technology for a reverse trike that can lean (like the piaggio) and have decided to put the plans in a box and store them in a dark corner of a file room somewhere.

Perhaps we should also consider this:
http://www.piaggiousa.com/scooters.php#/home/Piaggio MP3 500

I can't see where Can Am is in the forefront of reverse trikes, particulary when this one (Ok it's a scooter) has been on the market for several years. Piaggio is a very large builder of scooters and motorcycles, and the MP3 line, simply by it's ability to lean, is way ahead of the Spyder. The engineering is done, they already have access to some engines with much more power, and I'm not so sure they don't have nearly as many dealers in the US as Can Am. When Piaggio builds something with about 1000cc's and a good touring ability, I will be there (but not a first year model again!!). Something to think about!

Dwight

jenmom22

11-12-2010, 08:21 PM

Perhaps we should also consider this:
http://www.piaggiousa.com/scooters.php#/home/Piaggio MP3 500

I can't see where Can Am is in the forefront of reverse trikes, particulary when this one (Ok it's a scooter) has been on the market for several years. Piaggio is a very large builder of scooters and motorcycles, and the MP3 line, simply by it's ability to lean, is way ahead of the Spyder. The engineering is done, they already have access to some engines with much more power, and I'm not so sure they don't have nearly as many dealers in the US as Can Am. When Piaggio builds something with about 1000cc's and a good touring ability, I will be there (but not a first year model again!!). Something to think about!

Dwight

I had a MP3 before I got my Spyder. I did enjoy riding her - she twisted, leaned, great on the curves. I liked the fact that if you hit a pothole, the second wheel protected you more than the usual two wheels.

What I didn't like was I had electronic issues -- if the engine was warm/hot, and I turned off the engine, I could not restart until it was cold. Made riding plausible only if I did not plan on stopping anywhere... I ended up 'selling' the bike (scooter) back to Piaggio via the lemon law. It took the dealership/shop 3 months to determine there was 'nothing' wrong with it and tried to give it back to me. That's when I called the attorney.:shocked: