Finally found replacement Gauges

[IWN2RYD]

Like many of you, I unplugged the Fuel and Water temp outer gauges on our dash (Thank you all for this tip :ohyea:)

Well after a lot of digging, and a few helpful PM's I finally found the gauges I am looking for. Originally I was looking for marine gauges for the "Water" concerns, but I never found the color combination of the face, bezel and lighting that I wanted.

One item I knew for sure they had to have was a white LED back-lighting.

At one point I even thought about putting Tweeters in the original spacing and replacing the front speaker with high end mids. But meh, we use our helmets now with the blue-tooth. so I figure that would be a waste in the end.

Anyway... I made a few phone calls, spoke to a few very helpful folks and decided on the Professional Stepper Motor Analogue Gauges (http://www.stackltd.com/instruments.html#Stepper), these two... Stack Oil Pressure 0-100 PSI (1/8NPT) Gauge (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/Stack_Oil_Pressure_Gauge_ST3302/Stack_Stepper_Motor_Analogue_Gauges) and the Stack Battery Voltage 8-18 V Gauge (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/Stack_Battery_Voltage_Gauge_ST3316/Stack_Stepper_Motor_Analogue_Gauges)

They are made for high vibration situations and water. The main thing I was looking for as I was doing my research was the Stepper version of the gauge world. This means the accuracy is about 2% and stability is superior.

I will get them in about two weeks (They are out of the Volt meter). I will install them shortly there after. :ohyea:

[Lamonster]

I'm pretty sure it's not 1/8npt. If I remember right it's 10mm.

[Magic Man]

I'm pretty sure it's not 1/8npt. If I remember right it's 10mm.


Well it is now! :yikes::roflblack::roflblack:

MM

[IWN2RYD]

I'm pretty sure it's not 1/8npt. If I remember right it's 10mm.

MOMMY! (crys out for help):roflblack:

OK.. so will I need to get an adapter or are they just misinforming us of the description? :dontknow:

[SpyderRyder]

I'm pretty sure it's not 1/8npt. If I remember right it's 10mm.

Changed mine last week. It was 1/8 NPT

[SC92]

Mine was 1/8 NTP also.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtFmkgUnajk


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-52mm-Stepper-Motor-Gauge-LED-Oil-Pressure-/120565512517?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1243b945

[Lamonster]

I have an old sending unit and a 1/8 npt pipe thread and I just checked, it is close but not exact. I know because I went looking for a sending unit locally when I had a run of four bad ones. I'm sure you'll be fine but it is metric just like everything else on the RT.

[Lamonster]

A little more searching and I found this.


The BSPT sizes are equivalent to NPT, but the thread design is different. BSPT is more rounded than NPT along with different thread angle(IIRC, 55 vs. 60).

Metric fittings are usually just 10mm or 12mm, compared to BSPT/NPT they're fine-thread.

[IWN2RYD]

I have an old sending unit and a 1/8 npt pipe thread and I just checked, it is close but not exact. I know because I went looking for a sending unit locally when I had a run of four bad ones. I'm sure you'll be fine but it is metric just like everything else on the RT.

Thank you for you help :thumbup::2thumbs: I will take it to my parts counter and get it adapted correctly. I am a "Install it once" kind of guy. So I am high on doing it right the first time.

I am still waiting for my hand bake, and I have my highway pegs and Stebel horn to install. I hope to do them all at the same time, less wear and tear on the body panels that way nojoke So once these gauges come in I will be in my "Man cave" for the weekend I am sure :ohyea::roflblack:



Mine was 1/8 NTP also.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtFmkgUnajk


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-52mm-Stepper-Motor-Gauge-LED-Oil-Pressure-/120565512517?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1243b945

And thank you for your help!:thumbup: Unfortunately that seller would not allow me to buy from them. A message popped up telling me they do not ship to my area :dontknow::gaah:

[SpyderRyder]

A little more searching and I found this.

As always, Lamonster is right. :bowdown:I have noticed a tiny leak in the fittings for the oil pressure sending unit.
My question now is, where do I find a 10mm about 1 inch long nipple and tee fitting with two 10mm opennings and one 1/8 openning?:dontknow:

[Lamonster]

Looks like this will get you from the motor (10mm) to 1/8npt. You can be creative from there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370388252204&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=040e75cf1260a0b586f57dc5fffd35be&rvr_id=&ua=M*F%3F&itemid=370388252204

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Please see table below for exact item specifications.
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/images/null.gif Fitting, Metric Adapter, Oil Pressure, 1/8 in. NPT Female to 10mm x 1 Male, Each

Product Code: ATM-2265
Manufacturer: Auto Meter
UPC: 46074022654
Condition: New

These Auto Meter metric adapters offer an easy way to install pressure and temperature gauges into most cars with metric fittings.




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[IWN2RYD]

Thank you! Off to fleebay now :2thumbs:

[SpyderRyder]

Looks like this will get you from the motor (10mm) to 1/8npt. You can be creative from there.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370388252204&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=040e75cf1260a0b586f57dc5fffd35be&rvr_id=&ua=M*F%3F&itemid=370388252204

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/images/null.gif http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/atm-2265_w.jpg

Please see table below for exact item specifications.
http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/images/null.gif Fitting, Metric Adapter, Oil Pressure, 1/8 in. NPT Female to 10mm x 1 Male, Each

Product Code: ATM-2265
Manufacturer: Auto Meter
UPC: 46074022654
Condition: New

These Auto Meter metric adapters offer an easy way to install pressure and temperature gauges into most cars with metric fittings.




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Thanks Lamonster. Your help is truly appreciated. :firstplace:

[NancysToy]

Looks like this will get you from the motor (10mm) to 1/8npt. You can be creative from there.

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/images/null.gifProduct Code: ATM-2265
Manufacturer: Auto Meter
UPC: 46074022654
Condition: New

These Auto Meter metric adapters offer an easy way to install pressure and temperature gauges into most cars with metric fittings.
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There will still be a mismatch if you just use this adapter, since you will have a mismatch again when you reinstall your existing pressure switch. This metric-NPT adapter will convert to NPT for a nipple and tee, but I have found no NPT-metric adapter to reattach the existing switch. I am sure there may be such a thing, but I have also not found a metric tee and nipple, which along with this adapter would also do the job. With the right sealant (applied sparingly) the tapered NPT threads can likely be sealed, but having the correct threads would be more sure...and more comforting. The search continues. Guess we need a kit put together by some enterprising SpyderLover. :D

[Lamonster]

There will still be a mismatch if you just use this adapter, since you will have a mismatch again when you reinstall your existing pressure switch. This metric-NPT adapter will convert to NPT for a nipple and tee, but I have found no NPT-metric adapter to reattach the existing switch. I am sure there may be such a thing, but I have also not found a metric tee and nipple, which along with this adapter would also do the job. With the right sealant (applied sparingly) the tapered NPT threads can likely be sealed, but having the correct threads would be more sure...and more comforting. The search continues. Guess we need a kit put together by some enterprising SpyderLover. :D
If I were doing this mod I would use the adapter to get you out of the block with the right threads then tap a 1/8npt Tee to 10mm for the sending unit. Or you may be able to find a 1/8npt sending unit that will work. Like I said, be creative. :doorag:

[SpyderRyder]

If I were doing this mod I would use the adapter to get you out of the block with the right threads then tap a 1/8npt Tee to 10mm for the sending unit. Or you may be able to find a 1/8npt sending unit that will work. Like I said, be creative. :doorag:

Tapping the 1/8 tee to 10 mm is exactly what I was thinking to do. Don't know yet if there is enough metal to make a good seal, but I think it's worth a shot. Plan B would be to find a sending switch with 1/8 threads.

[NancysToy]

Tapping one leg of the tee to 10 mm was my first thought. Also concerned about how much metal is available. A brass tee should be used to give a flat surface for the switch seal. I agree that the best bet is to get away from the crankcase. Tees are cheap to replace, the crankcase is not.

[IWN2RYD]

:agree:
Tapping one leg of the tee to 10 mm was my first thought. Also concerned about how much metal is available. A brass tee should be used to give a flat surface for the switch seal. I agree that the best bet is to get away from the crankcase. Tees are cheap to replace, the crankcase is not.

[larryd]

If your stock oil pressure sending unit has a sealing ring under it then it is stright thread...BUT if the stock sending unit is tapered threads like NPT or BSPT pipe fittings you need to use a thread pitch gauge to figure out what you have...1/8" NPT is 27 threads per inch...1/8" BSPT is 28 threads per inch...They both look the same to the human eye...They are both tapered threads, the type that get tighter as you screw the sending unit in and only a thread pitch gauge will measure the difference...

If the engine is 1/8" BSPT I would be looking for a gauge that has a BSPT sending unit...other wise your probably going to need to drill & tap a custom made T to accomodate the 1/8" NPT gauge sending unit...

THE FIRST THING TO DO IS GET SOMEONE TO ACCURATELY MEASURE THE THREADS ON THE ORIGINAL SENDING UNIT AND GO FROM THERE..

Another problem you may encounter is hanging all that extra weight (elec. sending unit & T fitting on a 1/8" pipe sch 40 nipple...I would be looking at using a short hex nipple or find a sch 80 nipple...

Hope this helps...larryd

[SC92]

Any reputable Auto accessory shop will have one of these.
Ask Mr Google

7074

[SC92]

http://97.74.103.94/files/gauge.pdf

[SpyderRyder]

http://97.74.103.94/files/gauge.pdf

That looks like the ticket. Thank you:ohyea:

[Lamonster]

http://97.74.103.94/files/gauge.pdf
Nice find :thumbup:

[NancysToy]

Perfect solution. Now to find one on our continent. The search is on.

[SC92]

Perfect solution. Now to find one on our continent. The search is on.



Hey Scotty, that was from your Continent. Click on the URL and then click on "Home" at top of page for Company details. (see below)

Cheers
Bob



Importer/Distributor- BAT Inc. 7630 Matoaka Road. Sarasota, FL 34243
phone (941) 355-0005 fax (941) 355-4683

[IWN2RYD]

Very good find!

Now a question for those that have already done this. Is there going to be enough clearance with the "T" going one direction and the sending unit now going another?

[NancysToy]

Hey Scotty, that was from your Continent. Click on the URL and then click on "Home" at top of page for Company details. (see below)

Cheers
Bob



Importer/Distributor- BAT Inc. 7630 Matoaka Road. Sarasota, FL 34243
phone (941) 355-0005 fax (941) 355-4683

Saw that later. I just noticed the manufacturer before, not the importer. Wish they had a Web presence. RacerWarehouse handles some of their stuff, but they do not stock this tee. Also found a 10 mm tee that could be used with the adapter Lamont posted.

[SpyderRyder]

http://97.74.103.94/files/gauge.pdf


Ordered mine today. They are in Florida. That's almost on this continent.:roflblack:

[NancysToy]

Ordered mine today. They are in Florida. That's almost on this continent.:roflblack:
:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: How much do they go for?

[SpyderRyder]

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: How much do they go for?


12.50 + shipping

[IWN2RYD]

Well folks... I need to correct my posting here.

First things first. Jack and Tom @ RPW have been nothing short of fantastic. Professionalism does not speak highly enough of them! I have been speaking with Jack off and on the past few weeks.

Originally I was informed that these Stacker Gauges are waterproof. Come to find out they are not even water resistant. :gaah:

Here is the most recent communication...

Just wanted to let you know where things stand at this point.

In order for Stack to move forward with production on water resistant gauges they are needing a minimum qty of 50 per gauge. This is probably outside the scope of getting that many pre-orders from the Spyder community.

Another option that was discussed was the application of silicone by the consumer to make these gauges water resistant. This may be an option to consider, essentially the two points that would need to be addressed for a bike with fairing to protect the back of the instrument would be the inside of the trim ring / bezel where it meets the glass, and the area where the trim ring / bezel meets the instrument case. Stack could obviously not warrant this type of work, but do have customers that perform this sort of modification with success when using our instruments outside of the intended application.

Please let me know what you would like to do with your current order.

So the search is back on for me :helpsmilie:

Unless of course 49 other fine spyder lovers want to buy into a group buy :thumbup:

Off to go sulk in my own sorrow... :cus:

[Hobstopper]

I have been following the thread, because I want to add oil pressure and volt gauges myself. After seeing your post I called about the Stacker gauges and asked the sales rep if they were water proof and vibration resistant, he told me that they were and that they used them in open cockpit race cars:dontknow:, the only thing he said was not to use a pressure washer on them, this was last week. So I may be looking again, I was getting ready to order them too:gaah: Anyone currently have any installed that you can buy in the US with pictures:bowdown:

[NancysToy]

Confusing! Please note that many standard gauges already have sealed faces. I spoke to an Autometer rep at a show last week, and he said their faces were sealed...and that it was not an unusual feature. Because customers complain about dust or "snail tracks" behind the glass, the manufacturers have elected to seal them. As to a completely watertight gauge, that could be a tall order. I don't think you will find many...if any at all.

[IWN2RYD]

I do not want to speak for Jack or Tom. I will say this. I too was told that these are used in race cars.

Well after further research @ RPW, they found out that they themselves have been miss-led. Jack called me out of outstanding customer service to advise me as to what I wanted to do moving forward after he found out that these are not even water resistant.

Please let me make this perfectly clear. Jack did this on his own and could have simply just let the sale go as planned, but instead he dug a bit deeper and had several conversations with those that make these gauges. In no way am I bashing them! I am ecstatic that this kind of service and how they chose to handle this.

It is my understanding that Tom (I believe the owner) purchased an RT-S as well, so he too was following this thread.

BTW, I am not looking for water proof. I am however not wanting a gauge to go bad on me because I get caught in an all day downpour and water working it's way into the gauge. Then have the warranty folks yell foul and I am out $200+... I happen to live in a failry wet environment, and plan on using my RT-S as my daily commuter, rain or shine. So when I am at my business, it will sit all day exposed to whatever weather there is. And yes, I do have a cover. But the point is for those times I choose not to, or am on the road. Can't have a cover then!

So as it stands now, I am at ground zero with a fond knowledge of RPW and looking for Marine gauges that will fit my needs it seems...

[IWN2RYD]

Mine was 1/8 NTP also.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtFmkgUnajk


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NEW-52mm-Stepper-Motor-Gauge-LED-Oil-Pressure-/120565512517?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1243b945


Question for you... Are you being told these gauges are water resistant or anything? I found them in the US under these brands (Link) (http://www.google.com/products?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=stepmaster+Auto+Oil+preasure+Gauge&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=KAUXTOjqGIv_nAeBgPGlCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQrQQwAg) but not a single vendor has responded to my questioning. I would hate to drop 400-500 $$$ into gauges that last in fair weather only... :dontknow:

Thanks!!! :thumbup:

[NancysToy]

Question for you... Are you being told these gauges are water resistant or anything? I found them in the US under these brands (Link) (http://www.google.com/products?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=stepmaster+Auto+Oil+preasure+Gauge&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=KAUXTOjqGIv_nAeBgPGlCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQrQQwAg) but not a single vendor has responded to my questioning. I would hate to drop 400-500 $$$ into gauges that last in fair weather only... :dontknow:

Thanks!!! :thumbup:
I doubt I would worry about it much. I suspect they are as resistant as the stock dash display. Anyone who has experienced the infamous "snail tracks" across their dash display can attest to how great that is. :roflblack:

[IWN2RYD]

I doubt I would worry about it much. I suspect they are as resistant as the stock dash display. Anyone who has experienced the infamous "snail tracks" across their dash display can attest to how great that is. :roflblack:

Thanks Scotty. I just worry more than I should I am sure. Living in the Evergreen State does have it's downs :roflblack: . Heck even all my autos end up with mold in the window sills, and we clean them a lot!! :gaah:

Still trying though... I love the loooove of the black background and white LED with the wide sweeping needles...:ohyea:

[SC92]

Question for you... Are you being told these gauges are water resistant or anything? I found them in the US under these brands (Link) (http://www.google.com/products?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=stepmaster+Auto+Oil+preasure+Gauge&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=KAUXTOjqGIv_nAeBgPGlCg&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&ct=title&resnum=3&ved=0CCwQrQQwAg) but not a single vendor has responded to my questioning. I would hate to drop 400-500 $$$ into gauges that last in fair weather only... :dontknow:

Thanks!!! :thumbup:

Hi, Sorry about the delay in replying, but I have been on a 1500 mile trip for the last 8 days.
The gauges that I have do not have any information on the packaging about if they are waterproof or not.
However, On the road trip I have just completed it rained on 6 of the 8 Days and the bike was parked in the rain overnight on many occassions, to-date there is no sign of any moisture inside the Gauges.
It have been in some heavy weather, including overnight frosts, driving wind any heavy rain and still all good.
Hope this helps.
Also search a bit harder on the internet, the Stepper gauges can be found in the States at a much cheaper price.
Try Here:
http://prosportgauges.com/Clear-Lens-oil-pressure-gauge-52mm-1.aspx

Regards
Bob

[IWN2RYD]

Hi, Sorry about the delay in replying, but I have been on a 1500 mile trip for the last 8 days.
The gauges that I have do not have any information on the packaging about if they are waterproof or not.
However, On the road trip I have just completed it rained on 6 of the 8 Days and the bike was parked in the rain overnight on many occassions, to-date there is no sign of any moisture inside the Gauges.
It have been in some heavy weather, including overnight frosts, driving wind any heavy rain and still all good.
Hope this helps.
Also search a bit harder on the internet, the Stepper gauges can be found in the States at a much cheaper price.
Try Here:
http://prosportgauges.com/Clear-Lens-oil-pressure-gauge-52mm-1.aspx

Regards
Bob

No worries and thank you Bob!

Funny... Just a few hours before you responded we placed an order anyway. I figured what the heck. We got this (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/Stack_Oil_Pressure_Electric_Gauge_ST3202/Stack_Electric_Gauges) and this. (http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/Stack_Battery_Voltage_Electric_Gauge_ST3216/Stack_Electric_Gauges)They are not the beautiful full sweeping one that I want. But they will do. RPW treated us so well I had to go back to them.

We also ordered some Frogg Toggs while at it.

That all said. Right now we are not even sure we will install these. We are emotionally charged in a bad way towards BRP and the way we are being handled with all our RT-S's issues. Time will tell...

Thanks again!

[IWN2RYD]

Got the gauges... Very nice quality! RPW is currently out of the "T" so I went to a local vendor... Only to find them without as well. So they are ordering me a few pieces to make the "T"... :thumbup:

[SteveO]

http://www.dakotadigital.com/

I have used these gauges for years and have survived on many Harleys.

If you are OK with digital display they are fully water and vibration proof.

Same issue with sensor for pressure being NPT.

They even do combination gauges (2 in 1) if you want more than 2 variables displayed.

Steve O

[zztop69]

Hey Guys
Might want to try this website'
http://www.topnotchperformancemarine.com/~topnotch/product.php?productid=1355

Nice looking gauge,reasonable price,waterproof:clap:

[Mickay]

Very good find!

Now a question for those that have already done this. Is there going to be enough clearance with the "T" going one direction and the sending unit now going another?

With the TPVW adapter on my RT-S SE5 i have not enough clearance from the motor because 1/8 hole for the gauge is right in front of a oil hose and i can`t install the new sensor.

[NancysToy]

With the TPVW adapter on my RT-S SE5 i have not enough clearance from the motor because 1/8 hole for the gauge is right in front of a oil hose and i can`t install the new sensor.
I was worried about that. Thanks for posting.

[Hobstopper]

PE #71 SM5, Thanks to all the knowledge on the board I got my gauges ordered and got everything installed.:bowdown: I had plenty of clearance after installing the TPVW adapter, dont know if it is a difference between the SM5 and the SE5:dontknow:. Love the gauges:2thumbs:, they do a full sweep at start up and are white or blue lit LED. Which leads to a question, does anyone know if there is a wire I can tap into that goes hot when the display changes to night mode? I can wire the gauges to do white LED during the day and blue during the evening if I can find a wire that goes hot when the display changes colors. Thanks to all for making this site what it is.:clap:

[zztop69]

No problem with clearance on RTS SM5
no Leaks:D