larger tires and warranty issues

[pathfinderjoe]

Question – Will my warranty become invalid if I replace the front OEM tires with 185 - 60 -14 size tires? Will larger tires have an effect on the DPS?

[pitbull]

You should be fine the dps will not be affected by taller tires, wider will make it a little more road hungry and a little bit more stiff,but for this small of a change, shouldn't be an issue. As for warranty, we wouldn't give youa hard time about it, can't say for other dealers, just call your local dealer and double check with them first, but really it should be no problem!

[Firefly]

Question – Will my warranty become invalid if I replace the front OEM tires with 185 - 60 -14 size tires? Will larger tires have an effect on the DPS?

Not sure about the DPS problems (others have gone with larger tires that can chime in)---- but they cannot just make your warranty 'invalid' for doing such mods. They must prove the modification you did caused a failure of a warrantied item.. as in they can't void your engine warranty because you used the wrong kind of light bulbs....:D


There are Federal and State laws about such things to protect us consumers.

[pitbull]

Not sure about the DPS problems (others have gone with larger tires that can chime in)---- but they cannot just make your warranty 'invalid' for doing such mods. They must prove the modification you did caused a failure of a warrantied item.. as in they can't void your engine warranty because you used the wrong kind of light bulbs....:D


There are Federal and State laws about such things to protect us consumers.
Fire flys right! But they can make it tough on you. Buy putting stuff in the computer and making it harder for you to get taken care of........all this is wrong and not fair but can happen. Easyer to head a problem off before it starts. Good luck, and if you do run into a warranty issue give us a call we'll do our best to help 800-258-6898 Cowtown usa Cuba Mo

[dave01]

DPS will not have an issue, but if the tires are any taller ( larger around) than the rear tire, your traction control will go nuts. The speed sensors on the wheels will not be in sync and you will get error codes. I believe Seth tried a larger tire on the back of his and had issues.

[bone crusher]

Bottom line:

If you modify your bike in a fashion that could alter any of the sensitive electronics, good luck in getting any gov't agency to help you...I've seen this before and the dealer/manufacturer will generally win...

You will also see this in effect in a courtroom with modified cars...judges do not like to hear from people claiming that their mods haven't had an effect when there is an accident or a speeding violation. Anything that can be held against you, usually will...

It doesn't take as much as many here claim to void a warranty. If your modification can be tested to create traction issues or anything of the sort, you will be out in the cold with these types of issues.

It all comes down to risk/benefit for you. If you want to take a risk with changing your tire size, go for it...it's unlikely anything will happen....however, if something does happen, you might have to take the blame for it...

[boborgera]

There are Federal and State laws about such things to protect us consumers.

There are also Federal and State laws to protect us from Dealers who install tire sizes not recommended by the manufacturer.

[Firefly]

Bottom line:

If you modify your bike in a fashion that could alter any of the sensitive electronics, good luck in getting any gov't agency to help you...I've seen this before and the dealer/manufacturer will generally win...

You will also see this in effect in a courtroom with modified cars...judges do not like to hear from people claiming that their mods haven't had an effect when there is an accident or a speeding violation. Anything that can be held against you, usually will...

It doesn't take as much as many here claim to void a warranty. If your modification can be tested to create traction issues or anything of the sort, you will be out in the cold with these types of issues.

It all comes down to risk/benefit for you. If you want to take a risk with changing your tire size, go for it...it's unlikely anything will happen....however, if something does happen, you might have to take the blame for it...


The burden of proof is on the manufacturer to show that your modification caused such damage. It's not that you'll 'need' a government agency to help you--- it's that there are laws in place.

An example--- here in Michigan we have a law about auto shops showing and offering old parts back to you. Say they replaced a waterpump-- they are supposed to show/offer you the old one-- if they don't---- you legally don't have to pay for the 'new' part. Protecting the customer from fraud.:thumbup:.

The question is really too vague to get a direct answer.

Q: Would adding an aftermarket turbo void your warranty?
A: Depends on what breaks down.

Engine blows--- gonna be a problem. Steering computer goes---- should still be covered.

My point is they cannot just 'void' an entire warranty because of a mod. The mod has to be related to the part that fails.

For something like larger tires---- it's a stretch to think this will void part of the warranty. If something goes awry you always have the option of towing it to your house-- swapping the parts back to stock and THEN take it to the dealer....:thumbup:

[bone crusher]

The burden of proof is on the manufacturer to show that your modification caused such damage. It's not that you'll 'need' a government agency to help you--- it's that there are laws in place.

An example--- here in Michigan we have a law about auto shops showing and offering old parts back to you. Say they replaced a waterpump-- they are supposed to show/offer you the old one-- if they don't---- you legally don't have to pay for the 'new' part. Protecting the customer from fraud.:thumbup:.

The question is really too vague to get a direct answer.

Q: Would adding an aftermarket turbo void your warranty?
A: Depends on what breaks down.

Engine blows--- gonna be a problem. Steering computer goes---- should still be covered.

My point is they cannot just 'void' an entire warranty because of a mod. The mod has to be related to the part that fails.

For something like larger tires---- it's a stretch to think this will void part of the warranty. If something goes awry you always have the option of towing it to your house-- swapping the parts back to stock and THEN take it to the dealer....:thumbup:


So, you'd advocate doing something wrong, having a problem, and then switching back to stock to say that you did nothing wrong? I'm sure you're just joking, but I'll bet a lot of people would do that kind of dishonest thing.

Let's be honest here...most mods are harmless...some can create problems. If a dealer is going to say that your bike is not under warranty because of something you did, the burden of proof will fall on you, whether you like it or not...you can call 'the gov't', but unlikely you'll have anyone there intelligent enough to truly figure out what caused the problem...they'll end up siding with the manufacturer because you modify your bike at your own risk, in the end...

[Firefly]

So, you'd advocate doing something wrong, having a problem, and then switching back to stock to say that you did nothing wrong? I'm sure you're just joking, but I'll bet a lot of people would do that kind of dishonest thing.

Let's be honest here...most mods are harmless...some can create problems. If a dealer is going to say that your bike is not under warranty because of something you did, the burden of proof will fall on you, whether you like it or not...you can call 'the gov't', but unlikely you'll have anyone there intelligent enough to truly figure out what caused the problem...they'll end up siding with the manufacturer because you modify your bike at your own risk, in the end...

No, if I was sure some mod I did caused the damage--- then I wouldn't expect them to fix it.... but if I thought for a minute they might try to blame some mod I did for a breakdown when I know darn well it didn't--- then yes-- I would remove the mod before getting the service done.

So I guess the answer is----- it depends. If I put larger tires on and really thought they would try and blame an engine bearing going out on the tires--- I'd change them in a heartbeat before taking it in--- but I just don't believe you'll see that kind of thing. The dealer gets paid (albeit at a lower rate) from BRP for warranty work--- so they should be happy to do such work.

"If a dealer is going to say that your bike is not under warranty because of something you did, the burden of proof will fall on you"

Well, guess we'll have to agree to disagree on some of this. Been awhile since I read the specifics on the law, but it was pretty clear the manufacturer had to prove your 3rd party mod caused the failure.

Again, they just cannot 'void' an entire warranty - they have to be specific about what part caused what failure - and they must be 'related'. The law came about by pressure from 3rd party car parts manufacturers when the big 3 was trying to force owners to only buy OEM replacement parts.

Tires--- would be the last thing I would worry about pertaining to a Spyder warranty.

[ataDude]

So, you'd advocate doing something wrong, having a problem, and then switching back to stock to say that you did nothing wrong? I'm sure you're just joking, but I'll bet a lot of people would do that kind of dishonest thing...

Plus 1 for integrity! :2thumbs:

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[dave01]

I have a 2001 Busa with lots of mods. Had the steering stem bearings go out at 1200 miles, took it to the dealer, no problem with warranty work. Had the rear wheel bearings go out at 2100 miles, same thing, all warranty work. Then the tranny main shaft let loose. No warranty because of major engine mods and too much HP. I kinda figured that.LOL

Kinda goes to show that the mods need to have caused any failure, or at least contributed to it for the warranty to be voided. They were very happy when my 5 yr warranty ended.

[pathfinderjoe]

Thanks for the comments and info. Special -Thank You - to Pitbull for offering to help. Some day I'll have to ride that far south and visit Cowtown.

[bone crusher]

No, if I was sure some mod I did caused the damage--- then I wouldn't expect them to fix it.... but if I thought for a minute they might try to blame some mod I did for a breakdown when I know darn well it didn't--- then yes-- I would remove the mod before getting the service done.

So I guess the answer is----- it depends. If I put larger tires on and really thought they would try and blame an engine bearing going out on the tires--- I'd change them in a heartbeat before taking it in--- but I just don't believe you'll see that kind of thing. The dealer gets paid (albeit at a lower rate) from BRP for warranty work--- so they should be happy to do such work.

"If a dealer is going to say that your bike is not under warranty because of something you did, the burden of proof will fall on you"

Well, guess we'll have to agree to disagree on some of this. Been awhile since I read the specifics on the law, but it was pretty clear the manufacturer had to prove your 3rd party mod caused the failure.

Again, they just cannot 'void' an entire warranty - they have to be specific about what part caused what failure - and they must be 'related'. The law came about by pressure from 3rd party car parts manufacturers when the big 3 was trying to force owners to only buy OEM replacement parts.

Tires--- would be the last thing I would worry about pertaining to a Spyder warranty.


As a crash reconstruction specialist, I've been around the court room and I can tell you that you shouldn't rely on any gov't anything to bail you out of a warranty issue if you've done anything considerable to your vehicle...

Just my two cents worth...I know many of us here do tons of stuff to our vehicles...it's fun...but some of it might be dangerous/alter the way our bikes work...that's my concern...

Other than that...have fun and ryde!

[Firefly]

As a crash reconstruction specialist, I've been around the court room and I can tell you that you shouldn't rely on any gov't anything to bail you out of a warranty issue if you've done anything considerable to your vehicle...

Just my two cents worth...I know many of us here do tons of stuff to our vehicles...it's fun...but some of it might be dangerous/alter the way our bikes work...that's my concern...

Other than that...have fun and ryde!


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[altonk]

as far as the tire size goes i have 225/45 r15 all the way around and no issues with tcs,vss or dps